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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

RIP Amged el-Hawrani

RIP Dr Habib Zaidi

RIP Dr Adil El Tayar

The media havent highlighted these were 3 immigrants and 3 muslims I believe.

I highlight it here to build bridges.

All are giving their energy time and lives in the NHS for our sake.

So please show compassion nobody is taking anybody's jobs and a moment silence for these fallen heroes.

Peace!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

It's very sad regardless of their race or religion.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"It's very sad regardless of their race or religion."

Agreed but because the media chose to not highlight this I felt it was vital to break down the prejudice around immigrants and muslims that are the fabric and sweat of our society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's very sad regardless of their race or religion.

Agreed but because the media chose to not highlight this I felt it was vital to break down the prejudice around immigrants and muslims that are the fabric and sweat of our society."

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"It's very sad regardless of their race or religion.

Agreed but because the media chose to not highlight this I felt it was vital to break down the prejudice around immigrants and muslims that are the fabric and sweat of our society.

Thank you

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

I dont see the relevance of religion or race. Any death especially front line NHS at the minute is tragic.

If race and religion is used to build bridges it may also in other circumstances be used to create divides.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the relevance of religion or race. Any death especially front line NHS at the minute is tragic.

If race and religion is used to build bridges it may also in other circumstances be used to create divides."

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By *HaRiFMan over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

In my opinion, it doesn’t need to be highlighted. It’s there in plain sight to see.

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

"In my opinion, it doesn’t need to be highlighted. It’s there in plain sight to see. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In my opinion, it doesn’t need to be highlighted. It’s there in plain sight to see. "

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By *unsexual MemelordWoman over a year ago

Midlothian

"I dont see the relevance of religion or race. Any death especially front line NHS at the minute is tragic.

If race and religion is used to build bridges it may also in other circumstances be used to create divides."

Of course it's used to divide, all the damned time. I don't see why anyone would find it wrong that someone is trying to use it in a positive way in defiance of the divides.

Yes, it's tragic AF that people are dying, and very sad that NHS staff putting their lives on the line are among the losses, and it's a good thing for all those xenophobes and anti-Islam folk to hear the people they mindlessly hate on, are trying their best to keep us all safe.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

This thread isn’t going how it should have and I understand why.

Let’s leave religion out of it and just be respectful to the doctors that have died, doing their job treating others. RIP

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"I dont see the relevance of religion or race. Any death especially front line NHS at the minute is tragic.

If race and religion is used to build bridges it may also in other circumstances be used to create divides.

Of course it's used to divide, all the damned time. I don't see why anyone would find it wrong that someone is trying to use it in a positive way in defiance of the divides.

Fantastically said and awesomely worded.

I thought I had explained quite clearly as to why I had highlighted all this...it's so obviously put there in words for it to be obvious...it was so obviously worded....wait did I say it was explained by me and thus obvious?lol

I wondered how it would be challenged and challenged it was diplomatically and I wasn't at all surprised.

I thank you however Punsexual Memelord (lol nice username) for being a shining light of reason and a beacon of hope amongst the closed hearted fog that seems to envelope the some.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"This thread isn’t going how it should have and I understand why.

Let’s leave religion out of it and just be respectful to the doctors that have died, doing their job treating others. RIP "

No let's not that's not the purpose of this thread.

The purpose aye aye aye why doesn't anyway comprehend or do folk simply not read the posts.

Religion albeit Islam ie these 3 Muslims and the fact they were I presume immigrants is highlighted and needs to be highlighted to change the mindset of atleast 1 person would be a victory.

Do you know as a non immigrant British born and bred national who happens to be a Muslim (albeit terrible one at that) how clear it it is to see how the good immigrants do is sparsely advertised and the goodness Muslims bring to these shores is seldomly shared?

All we ever hear is about the negative and how every thing is white washed so carefully.

Yet any negative is highlighted so quickly to make news and sell news.

Haven't any of you spotted the trend or are you as oblivious to it as we all are when another minority of society is negatively objectified...yes I'm also to blame unless I critically think which I often do.

I bring this up because on all news channels and all news outlets not once did they choose to share a positive and that was that these immigrant Muslims gave their lives for us.

I'm not saying their religion or backward was key I'm saying it was vital to bring up the consciousness of our collective society.

Unless we speak up now as a community against fake news or bias news that serves an agenda when will we?

Ok I'll step off my ladder now lol

But come on people this isn't rocket science.

Peace!

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

I’m not getting into a religious discussion.

For me they are individuals that work in this country and died doing their job. I don’t care what anyone’s religion or race is, I never have, everyone is just a human being.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

Their religion* or background*

Apologies for the typos.

I wish besides delete there was an edit function to be able to go back and amend.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"I’m not getting into a religious discussion.

For me they are individuals that work in this country and died doing their job. I don’t care what anyone’s religion or race is, I never have, everyone is just a human being. "

Nobody is asking you to get into a religious discussion and I certainly don't care whether you do or don't.

You're simply again failing to read!

Well done on being so liberal and open minded good for you then this clearly isn't a post for you

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"I’m not getting into a religious discussion.

For me they are individuals that work in this country and died doing their job. I don’t care what anyone’s religion or race is, I never have, everyone is just a human being.

Nobody is asking you to get into a religious discussion and I certainly don't care whether you do or don't.

You're simply again failing to read!

Well done on being so liberal and open minded good for you then this clearly isn't a post for you

I’m not failing to read, I can read very well thanks.

I will say one thing, my last word, if these doctors were from another race and religion would we be expecting their backgrounds to be mentioned on the news, no we wouldn’t.

Hence why I said it does not matter race or religion. There are good things being done by all communities in this country and especially where I live, we don’t expect to see it mentioned on social media or the news. We just accept its people just being a decent human beings and working together as one

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"I’m not getting into a religious discussion.

For me they are individuals that work in this country and died doing their job. I don’t care what anyone’s religion or race is, I never have, everyone is just a human being.

Nobody is asking you to get into a religious discussion and I certainly don't care whether you do or don't.

You're simply again failing to read!

Well done on being so liberal and open minded good for you then this clearly isn't a post for you

I’m not failing to read, I can read very well thanks.

I will say one thing, my last word, if these doctors were from another race and religion would we be expecting their backgrounds to be mentioned on the news, no we wouldn’t.

My apologies that was uncalled of me you can read but you're not comprehending; as I believe it was said in the book of Jeremiah.

It does all matter that's the point of this thread hahaha

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By *unsexual MemelordWoman over a year ago

Midlothian

"I dont see the relevance of religion or race. Any death especially front line NHS at the minute is tragic.

If race and religion is used to build bridges it may also in other circumstances be used to create divides.

Of course it's used to divide, all the damned time. I don't see why anyone would find it wrong that someone is trying to use it in a positive way in defiance of the divides.

Fantastically said and awesomely worded.

I wondered how it would be challenged and challenged it was diplomatically and I wasn't at all surprised.

I thank you however Punsexual Memelord (lol nice username) for being a shining light of reason and a beacon of hope amongst the closed hearted fog that seems to envelope the some.

You are very welcome, obviously.

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Surely in a open society, we should be able to challenge things, diplomatically.

Would the race or religion of the NHS workers be highlighted if they were, Chinese Budhists, Greek Orthodox Christian's, Polish Roman Catholics, British Athiests?

We all know there are amazing people from all races and religions doing amazing things in the NHS, their work and hopefully not sacrifices, should be highlighted and not the luck of their place of birth or beliefs.

But if you feel you need to highlight it then that is your choice, and I am happy to let you voice that. But you too should be willing to see an alternative view.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"Surely in a open society, we should be able to challenge things, diplomatically.

Would the race or religion of the NHS workers be highlighted if they were, Chinese Budhists, Greek Orthodox Christian's, Polish Roman Catholics, British Athiests?

But if you feel you need to highlight it then that is your choice, and I am happy to let you voice that. But you too should be willing to see an alternative view."

Thank you for allowing me to voice it and seeing it as my choice.

I also agree with you and yes my alternative view was shared on this thread. Shame I cannot merge it here thus will share a link

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/998460#message_22983950

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

I personally did not "allow" you to choose to voice your opinion, our society did.

Yes some media can be quick to highlight etnicity or religion where it suits their viewpoint on such.

But please take my point in the way it was meant.

Is the place of birth or choice of religion really relevant? They were all dedicated, highly skilled individual human beings helping other human beings.

Reputable media outlets have all mentioned place of birth / education / work of these individuals, but I dont think the religion of any who have died has been mentioned.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"I personally did not "allow" you to choose to voice your opinion, our society did.

Yes some media can be quick to highlight etnicity or religion where it suits their viewpoint on such.

But please take my point in the way it was meant.

Is the place of birth or choice of religion really relevant? They were all dedicated, highly skilled individual human beings helping other human beings.

Reputable media outlets have all mentioned place of birth / education / work of these individuals, but I dont think the religion of any who have died has been mentioned."

Its important in the context I've explained above throughout this post.

Never before has it be as important as now otherwise as _unsexual memelord said when will it ever be for the xenophobes and the anti-Islamists to be given a different point of fact?

Context is vital in such matters.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

Oh and you said you were happy to let me voice my opinion thus I retorted with thank you for allowing me to voice it however you took it literally and rebuttalled you didnt allow me but society did so I'll raise mate you and raise you 10 by saying I'm glad I made you happy in my voicing my opinion lol

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

No matter what anyone says; dont believe xenophobes, anti-Islamists, anti-semites, and any bigoted people will be swayed from their views.

If you feel it needs highlighting fine and dandy.

Others feel race and religion does not require highlighting, positively or negatively.

At the end of the day the blood in everyones veins is red.

Stay safe in this crazy time.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"No matter what anyone says; dont believe xenophobes, anti-Islamists, anti-semites, and any bigoted people will be swayed from their views.

If you feel it needs highlighting fine and dandy.

Others feel race and religion does not require highlighting, positively or negatively.

At the end of the day the blood in everyones veins is red.

Stay safe in this crazy time."

Exactly I agree with you and feel the same but the highlighting was needed I felt and the repetition within this thread will help for sure.

Agreed were all on this planet we call home together and unless we highlight the prejudice against a minority then who will protect them.

You too bud stay safe and thank you for actually reading unlike others lol

Stay safe and stay indoors.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Every life lost is a tragedy, however they are 3 of 1000.

They have been mentioned in the media but how much attention is considered enough for a person?

Sad as any death is, it’s only right that the focus should be on those of us left behind and still fighting this epidemic, mitigating future deaths and looking for solutions,

Age, sex, race, religion is irrelevant

As is a job, a life is a life, everyone leaves someone behind

No-one is more important just because of a career choice. It narks me that everyone in the NHS (irrespective of their position - not just frontline) is on a pedestal.

There are millions of people in this country helping and supporting others - for no payment

Many jobs still functioning out there have employees coughed and breathed on by people. We don’t have shopkeepers screaming for PPE and masks.

Bus drivers are still taking cash (which could be contaminated). Taxi drivers as vulnerable too.

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Will do.

I like a good debate

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

"Every life lost is a tragedy, however they are 3 of 1000.

They have been mentioned in the media but how much attention is considered enough for a person?

Sad as any death is, it’s only right that the focus should be on those of us left behind and still fighting this epidemic, mitigating future deaths and looking for solutions,

Age, sex, race, religion is irrelevant

As is a job, a life is a life, everyone leaves someone behind

No-one is more important just because of a career choice. It narks me that everyone in the NHS (irrespective of their position - not just frontline) is on a pedestal.

There are millions of people in this country helping and supporting others - for no payment

Many jobs still functioning out there have employees coughed and breathed on by people. We don’t have shopkeepers screaming for PPE and masks.

Bus drivers are still taking cash (which could be contaminated). Taxi drivers as vulnerable too.

Agree completely, I have my key essential worker letter on my drivers seat for if I get stopped.

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By *unsexual MemelordWoman over a year ago

Midlothian

Would the race or religion of the NHS workers be highlighted if they were, Chinese Budhists, Greek Orthodox Christian's, Polish Roman Catholics, British Athiests?

If those groups were victims of constant vitriol, verbally and physically attacked, and under unfair scrutiny by the British public in the way immigrants and muslims are, then I would find their race/religion just as important to highlight.

You are sadly right that a great deal of haters will never have their minds swayed, but that mustn't mean we ever stop trying.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

Would the race or religion of the NHS workers be highlighted if they were, Chinese Budhists, Greek Orthodox Christian's, Polish Roman Catholics, British Athiests?

You are sadly right that a great deal of haters will never have their minds swayed, but that mustn't mean we ever stop trying.

Omg who are you?? Haha

Exactly this!!!

PM if u dont mind otherwise my gratitude for being so wise and clearly a thinker!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Every life lost is a tragedy, however they are 3 of 1000.

They have been mentioned in the media but how much attention is considered enough for a person?

Sad as any death is, it’s only right that the focus should be on those of us left behind and still fighting this epidemic, mitigating future deaths and looking for solutions,

Age, sex, race, religion is irrelevant

As is a job, a life is a life, everyone leaves someone behind

No-one is more important just because of a career choice. It narks me that everyone in the NHS (irrespective of their position - not just frontline) is on a pedestal.

There are millions of people in this country helping and supporting others - for no payment

Many jobs still functioning out there have employees coughed and breathed on by people. We don’t have shopkeepers screaming for PPE and masks.

Bus drivers are still taking cash (which could be contaminated). Taxi drivers as vulnerable too.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"In my opinion, it doesn’t need to be highlighted. It’s there in plain sight to see. "

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Really not wanting to stir the pot but you can be anti Islam without being anti muslim. Just saying

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"Really not wanting to stir the pot but you can be anti Islam without being anti muslim. Just saying

You can be anti any thing even anti Judaism but if it's antisemitic it's illegal.

There is a huge difference between anti Judaism and anti Semitic (coincidentally Islam is a semitic religion however in the vernacular Semitic is reserved for Judaism which is incorrect) in the same way there is a huge difference between anti islam and islamophobia.

This thread was highlighting the selfless virtue of 2 Islam adhering Muslims thus revealing the negativity of xenophobic islamophobes and racists who target most modern day ills to immigrants.

Islam Muslims and immigrants have been a fabric of this nation for centuries...yes 100s of years not a few decades post WW2.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

My apologies... 3* not 2 Muslims.

All be safe! Peace!

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By *ove Bunnies2019Couple over a year ago

basingstoke

Just seen on the news that the virus has taken the life of a 13 year old kid, so sad.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Really not wanting to stir the pot but you can be anti Islam without being anti muslim. Just saying

Islam is a beautiful religion being Muslim and Islamic go hand in hand.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"Just seen on the news that the virus has taken the life of a 13 year old kid, so sad. "

Yes very sad and I think youngest victim in Europe so far was 12 year old from Belgium.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

"Really not wanting to stir the pot but you can be anti Islam without being anti muslim. Just saying

Islam is a beautiful religion being Muslim and Islamic go hand in hand."

Absolutely agreed thank you

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Really not wanting to stir the pot but you can be anti Islam without being anti muslim. Just saying

Islam is a beautiful religion being Muslim and Islamic go hand in hand.

Absolutely agreed thank you

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Really not wanting to stir the pot but you can be anti Islam without being anti muslim. Just saying

You can be anti any thing even anti Judaism but if it's antisemitic it's illegal.

This thread was highlighting the selfless virtue of 2 Islam adhering Muslims thus revealing the negativity of xenophobic islamophobes and racists who target most modern day ills to immigrants.

Islam Muslims and immigrants have been a fabric of this nation for centuries...yes 100s of years not a few decades post WW2."

I understand perfectly the point of your thread and I repeat. I have no problem with muslims, or Christians or Jews. I can respect people without respecting their beliefs

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Don't believe in any religion .

Does that make me anti Muslim op?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just seen on the news that the virus has taken the life of a 13 year old kid, so sad. "

I can't imagine how his poor family are feeling, we were quite upset last night when we heard. It just goes to show, none of us are guaranteed to have the "mild" symptoms

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I dont see the relevance of religion or race. Any death especially front line NHS at the minute is tragic.

If race and religion is used to build bridges it may also in other circumstances be used to create divides."

To be fair to the OP, race/religion is invariably mentioned when the context is a negative one (I don't think it should be).

Anyone challenging that is beaten down with 'but it's a fact' and being denounced as a snowflake, so it's reasonable that an Asian might want to highlight the positives, of which most of us are already aware of, but sadly some choose to ignore.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Very sad. We should remember at times like these the proud history of the NHS’s diverse workforce.

I don’t see the religion as much relevance to me but I believe the OP meant well. And people are quick to demonise but not praise.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Also op if you hadn't brought it up it never would have crossed my mind.

I just saw three brave professionals who sadly lost their lives courageously trying to save others.

Heroes in my opinion regardless of religion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When I die I hope they celebrate my life as a woman rather than highlight my past.

I dream of a world where race, religion, skin colour, gender, sexual persuasion and so on, are not noticed. A world when we see people as the people they are rather than the label someone gave them.

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By *oiluvfunMan over a year ago

Penrith

One of my closest friends works on the frontline of the NHS, and I worry about her daily

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Also op if you hadn't brought it up it never would have crossed my mind.

I just saw three brave professionals who sadly lost their lives courageously trying to save others.

Heroes in my opinion regardless of religion"

In which case the tone of the OP isn't directed at you, besides which why is his post even something to become animated about?

Yes it's a shame it has to be mentioned, but there are many (including mainstream media) who highlight the misdeeds of Muslims/Asians, constantly framing them in a negative context, they obviously don't want to appreciate threads like this.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

I have no idea why race or religion is relevant. People have been paid to do a job and they have done that job to the very best and to the bitter end. They should be acknowledged for their efforts and sacrifices as a frontline worker but anything else is irrelevant and I believe it creates division doing this.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I have no idea why race or religion is relevant. People have been paid to do a job and they have done that job to the very best and to the bitter end. They should be acknowledged for their efforts and sacrifices as a frontline worker but anything else is irrelevant and I believe it creates division doing this. "

It only creates division if you want it to, the OP isn't saying the contributions of Muslims/Asians is better than anyone elses, simply highlighting the positive work being done by them in the NHS, alongside their colleagues, what's not to celebrate and acknowledge about that?!

What creates divides is the constantly dripping finger pointing tap that attempts to associate the misdeeds of some Asians with ALL Asians.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Suppose the media haven't other than them been mentioned on the radio news and on the tv news and in almost every online paper about nhs deaths and in some of the actual papers and all over face book but other than that not heard a peep.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

What creates divides is the constantly dripping finger pointing tap that attempts to associate the misdeeds of some Asians with ALL Asians."

I don’t see these doctors as anything other than people. Everything else is immaterial. I feel the same way as I would do for any other doctor, which incidentally, we don’t draw attention to. It’s just unnecessary in my opinion.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I think because the last couple of years has seen a big focus on immigration and a governmental pledge to curb it.

Yet as this crises shows the nhs would collapse without it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"RIP Amged el-Hawrani

RIP Dr Habib Zaidi

RIP Dr Adil El Tayar

The media havent highlighted these were 3 immigrants and 3 muslims I believe.

I highlight it here to build bridges.

All are giving their energy time and lives in the NHS for our sake.

So please show compassion nobody is taking anybody's jobs and a moment silence for these fallen heroes.

Peace!"

The people themselves are more important than their religion and citizenship/ethnicity. Even their role is more important because their deaths can be seen as avoidable.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

I think because the last couple of years has seen a big focus on immigration and a governmental pledge to curb it.

Yet as this crises shows the nhs would collapse without it."

People voted to curb immigration that was what Brexit was all about. I don’t think the government decided that. I don’t see this as being anything to do with that. All deaths are tragic and sad no matter who they are or where they are from. People are dying in the line of duty and all as valued as each other. I don’t see a need to distinguish- just as I wouldn’t between male and female doctors. They’re all dying whilst doing their job.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread isn’t going how it should have and I understand why.

Let’s leave religion out of it and just be respectful to the doctors that have died, doing their job treating others. RIP

No let's not that's not the purpose of this thread.

The purpose aye aye aye why doesn't anyway comprehend or do folk simply not read the posts.

Religion albeit Islam ie these 3 Muslims and the fact they were I presume immigrants is highlighted and needs to be highlighted to change the mindset of atleast 1 person would be a victory.

All we ever hear is about the negative and how every thing is white washed so carefully.

Yet any negative is highlighted so quickly to make news and sell news.

I bring this up because on all news channels and all news outlets not once did they choose to share a positive and that was that these immigrant Muslims gave their lives for us.

I'm not saying their religion or backward was key I'm saying it was vital to bring up the consciousness of our collective society.

Unless we speak up now as a community against fake news or bias news that serves an agenda when will we?

Ok I'll step off my ladder now lol

But come on people this isn't rocket science.

Peace!"

Oh now you're saying you presume they are immigrants... Why?

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

I think because the last couple of years has seen a big focus on immigration and a governmental pledge to curb it.

Yet as this crises shows the nhs would collapse without it."

This.

Some people have very short memories around here...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m not getting into a religious discussion.

For me they are individuals that work in this country and died doing their job. I don’t care what anyone’s religion or race is, I never have, everyone is just a human being.

Nobody is asking you to get into a religious discussion and I certainly don't care whether you do or don't.

You're simply again failing to read!

Well done on being so liberal and open minded good for you then this clearly isn't a post for you

Maybe the poster didn't perceive your intention. It doesn't matter if you think your words are obvious.

For me, persons of minority groups fascinate me. Why? Because it doesn't matter whether they are immigrants or born of immigrants, I want to know their story and their battles with prejudice because it's part of who they are and I want to empathise with them (none of this actually scrapes the surface of what I feel and think - simply a snapshot).

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I think because the last couple of years has seen a big focus on immigration and a governmental pledge to curb it.

Yet as this crises shows the nhs would collapse without it.

I think possibly the op was just pointing out the irony in demonising immigration(pick up the mail on literally any day)and the positive impact they have.

Thats just my 2 cents.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

I think because the last couple of years has seen a big focus on immigration and a governmental pledge to curb it.

Yet as this crises shows the nhs would collapse without it.

I think possibly the op was just pointing out the irony in demonising immigration(pick up the mail on literally any day)and the positive impact they have.

Thats just my 2 cents."

I know what the OP is doing and of course it’s his choice to do so. I just don’t agree that it’s necessary to do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Every life lost is a tragedy, however they are 3 of 1000.

They have been mentioned in the media but how much attention is considered enough for a person?

Sad as any death is, it’s only right that the focus should be on those of us left behind and still fighting this epidemic, mitigating future deaths and looking for solutions,

Age, sex, race, religion is irrelevant

As is a job, a life is a life, everyone leaves someone behind

No-one is more important just because of a career choice. It narks me that everyone in the NHS (irrespective of their position - not just frontline) is on a pedestal.

There are millions of people in this country helping and supporting others - for no payment

Many jobs still functioning out there have employees coughed and breathed on by people. We don’t have shopkeepers screaming for PPE and masks.

Bus drivers are still taking cash (which could be contaminated). Taxi drivers as vulnerable too.

It's simply recognised those on the front line are treating many people with the virus, and spending time with them. Therefore their risk of contracting is much much higher than those who may only come into contact with 1 or 2 infected people in 12 hours and for much briefer periods of time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Really not wanting to stir the pot but you can be anti Islam without being anti muslim. Just saying

You can be anti any thing even anti Judaism but if it's antisemitic it's illegal.

This thread was highlighting the selfless virtue of 2 Islam adhering Muslims thus revealing the negativity of xenophobic islamophobes and racists who target most modern day ills to immigrants.

Islam Muslims and immigrants have been a fabric of this nation for centuries...yes 100s of years not a few decades post WW2.

I understand perfectly the point of your thread and I repeat. I have no problem with muslims, or Christians or Jews. I can respect people without respecting their beliefs"

And each one is an Abrahamic religion. Just saying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Religion and swinging do not mix. After all it’s against pretty much every religion. If you’re going to swing you might as well have a ham sandwich, bin your Easter eggs and write it all off for the nonsense it is. Now let’s get back to something factual and get through this outbreak.

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By *lanemikeMan over a year ago

Bolton

The folk in the "front line" of the NHS and other caring professions are, to my mind, in the same league as Battle of Britain fighter pilots. They are taking similar types of risks to protect us. Sat here with tears in my eyes...

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I’m not getting into a religious discussion.

For me they are individuals that work in this country and died doing their job. I don’t care what anyone’s religion or race is, I never have, everyone is just a human being.

Nobody is asking you to get into a religious discussion and I certainly don't care whether you do or don't.

You're simply again failing to read!

Well done on being so liberal and open minded good for you then this clearly isn't a post for you

Maybe the poster didn't perceive your intention. It doesn't matter if you think your words are obvious.

Great post

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Religion and swinging do not mix. After all it’s against pretty much every religion. If you’re going to swing you might as well have a ham sandwich, bin your Easter eggs and write it all off for the nonsense it is. Now let’s get back to something factual and get through this outbreak. "

The thread isn't about swinging, or swinging and religion!

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By *lanemikeMan over a year ago

Bolton

". The thread isn't about swinging, or swinging and religion!

Plenty to say on this topic but not in this thread....

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By *oirinMarkusCouple over a year ago

West Midlands and West London

Thank you for highlighting this, and for those who don't get it, I am almost envious at how your privilege keeps you so safe and secure in your knowledge that you are right and that the people of colour literally telling you what their world is like, are wrong.

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By *yx_InannaWoman over a year ago

Burslem

Interesting fact for you.

Wiccans and pagans practice sex and religion.

Easter was taken from a pagan holiday, it is eostre / ostara. The goddess ostara being a fertility goddess.

Skyclad and a bit of sex magick too

Not all religions take offence to sex or sex with more than one partner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m not getting into a religious discussion.

For me they are individuals that work in this country and died doing their job. I don’t care what anyone’s religion or race is, I never have, everyone is just a human being.

Nobody is asking you to get into a religious discussion and I certainly don't care whether you do or don't.

You're simply again failing to read!

Well done on being so liberal and open minded good for you then this clearly isn't a post for you

Maybe the poster didn't perceive your intention. It doesn't matter if you think your words are obvious.

Great post

Awww thanks. I'm just a nosy bugger really. Tbh I am very curious and open (and most people appreciate that).

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By *yx_InannaWoman over a year ago

Burslem

In the interests of questioning why is only the doctors come on the 1st 3 of the list and not the nurses or any other healthcare professional who has caught and died from the virus?

Mentioning their faith, race and their country of origin isn't necessary, why continue to enforce distinction which continues to segregate others.

Theres one race and it's the human race, makes no difference who they pray to nor where they were born. Each deserve the respect regardless of the differences. You wouldn't say a white Christian for the sake of news. Continuing the practice of distinguishing people by differences from others keeps the divide in place which continues to cause problems. It's not you or them, us or them, it's all of us. Not giving the details of their ethnicity or faith shows it as acceptance that we are all in this. It is WE, unity. Another step closer for accepting everyone for who they are not what makes them different.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I think people are missing the point of this thread

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think people are missing the point of this thread"

I think you're right _ionelhutz

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By *yx_InannaWoman over a year ago

Burslem

"I think people are missing the point of this thread"

Theres lots of supporting threads for the nhs workers and their loved ones.

He's trying to make a point about racial and faith differences.

That's the point of the thread.

Most of his posts are racially fixated which he highlights racial differences, than accepting racial diversity. It is no different to the blue eyes - brown eyes experiment. Rather than accepting everyone for who they are he is categorizing himself and others enforcing the divide.

Great Britain is great because of its diversity, it's already several countries stuck together and we embrace cultures, traditions and faiths from around the world. Many people of which are 3rd, 4th and now 5th generations being born.

The colour of a person's skin doesn't dictate who they are as a person just as size or shape doesn't.

So why continue to let a skin colour cause separation in communities. Why do people feel the need to distinguish themselves by their colour or faith.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"RIP Amged el-Hawrani

RIP Dr Habib Zaidi

RIP Dr Adil El Tayar

The media havent highlighted these were 3 immigrants and 3 muslims I believe.

I highlight it here to build bridges.

All are giving their energy time and lives in the NHS for our sake.

So please show compassion nobody is taking anybody's jobs and a moment silence for these fallen heroes.

Peace!"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's interesting theme for a thread.

Sad that these three people died. RIP.

There's a lot of irrarional islamaphobia on these forums. So I get why you presented the premise as such. But information like this sadly won't change anyone's mind.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think people are missing the point of this thread

Theres lots of supporting threads for the nhs workers and their loved ones.

He's trying to make a point about racial and faith differences.

That's the point of the thread.

The colour of a person's skin doesn't dictate who they are as a person just as size or shape doesn't.

So why continue to let a skin colour cause separation in communities. Why do people feel the need to distinguish themselves by their colour or faith.

I'm not going to speak for him..he can do that himself.

As for diversity we have lurched increasingly to the right since brexit and that has been led by those in power now.

Race and religion shouldnt come into it when drs and nurses are putting their lives but some of them must be thinking about the hypocrisy in this country at times.

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By *sianManc OP Man over a year ago

Manchester

I've literally skimmed through this and amazed at how so many have a voice but do not understand. So many feel a duty to speak yet what they say had or has no bearing to the post or the spirit and context of this post.

I had wondered how few would understand, what I didnt expect was a poster above actually suggest alot of my posts are racially fixated :/ or hahahaha

I've been on here for 6 years I've never ever spoken for or against any race etc and if I have it hasnt been a lot or many at all.

Does this count as slander? Lmao

However (and you may all click on the green arrow..which sadly doesnt show all of my post most of which are jovial fun and taken with that positive vibration) recently my posts have been about the absolute stupidity as I have seen it of the british public that denied or chose to wash over the seriousness of this pandemic and those that saw it as merely a flu.

I was trying to warn as many as possible to save themselves or save someone else.

Following on from that as soon as I saw a post mention 1 of the first of these brave NHS heroes (as they all are, of all colours etc) I felt now was a time to make a valid point.

This post wasnt about swinging and religion oh dear.

This post wasnt about how 1 faith is better than another.

You the some jumped onto religion and so few jumped onto immigration.

You the some saw an asian write about islam or muslims and thus fixated only on religion when I had highlighted immigration too.

Rather than understand comprehend and see the glue I was trying to form within us all you chose to see the divide.

Shame on you!

I havent had the need to defend any other religion or faith on here as none in this current generation is being so clearly black-labelled with consistent media negative programming.

When the labour party had even just 1 anti semite rumoured not even proven the defence was outstanding but as soon as it became about Islamophobia this forum was awash with how it was just an excuse within the tories to rid themselves of certain individuals. Yes such a post I believe existed in the politics category of this forum.

As the book of Jeremiah says in the bible you have eyes yet you do not see.

There are however those within you here that are thinkers. That show fortitude and sense in understanding reality.

Rather than understand what this post was you the some wait until 1 person opens a diplomatic door to say otherwise and then you jump on saying how religion doesnt matter.

If it doesnt matter then that's great let's not label terrorists based on the religion they "claim" to follow but alas without realising it you do.

If labels dont matter let's not highlight the negativity of immigrants looking for a better job or asylum seekers seeking safety but highlight how amazing it is to see the human race work together.

Call a kettle black and a pot black dont call it what you're told by media writers and editors to call it.

When I grew up yes i was born here yes i was educated here yes i contribute to society I was told how asians were the hard workers, how they had corner shops everywhere or factories and worked hard or were doctors and nurses and lawyers and engineers and as a young asian I should aspire to be like them

When I was growing up the bogeyman was the USSR and how they were against america and how communism was evil.

When I was growing up black men jamaican men were all drug dealers etc

I cant recall it all but the consistent rhetoric was about how negative others were others that were either foreign or happened to be the minority in this society.

Since when did we become so hard hearted that we allowed media and society to pic on the few?

Didnt we fight and win the world war as an army of colour to protect the weak the vulnerable the few?

Dont as patch Adam's was told, conform to society but see the solution not the problem.

I offered 1 solution 1 way to try and open your eyes to something profoundly beautiful and wonderful.

That immigrants and in this case muslims are not the problem. Some bad apples cannot be used to tarnish them all.

I'm utterly ashamed to have read how you tried to twist what I wrote. Sure maybe my us of English wasnt as powerful as chaucer but hey I was speaking to my fellow citizens. Maybe had I incorporated wingardium leviosa or some talk about debbie doing Wisconsin you would better understand.

What hope does society have if you cant even read...oh yes I know watch tv and just be programmed that way rather then stop and ponder on what is being shared with you.

Sad times people.

Thank you to those that understood and read and especially to the ones that messaged me in solidarity.

I'll get back to my mailbox and reply to you

Appreciate the love

Stay safe & Peace!

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

Rather than accepting everyone for who they are he is categorizing himself and others enforcing the divide.

...but that's exactly what mainstream society and media does, most often negatively.

I agree with your sentiment, colour, race, religion shouldn't matter but unfortunately it does and it's most ironic that the OP's being attacked for highlighting a human tragedy positively, it's a shame the indignation he's attracted is rarely directed at the REAL problem, the stereotyping of minorities (I've just turned away from a thread referring to black women as though they're a 'thing', rather than human beings with personalities and a range of qualities) and highlighting of the negative behaviours of Muslims/foreigners/immigrants etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've literally skimmed through this and amazed at how so many have a voice but do not understand. So many feel a duty to speak yet what they say had or has no bearing to the post or the spirit and context of this post.