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It's no longer just a flu is it?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Far more people are dying as a proportion of those infected. Although I'm not personally worried for myself as I'm fairly fit and healthy. I will be taking precautions and avoiding contact with elderly or Ill relatives if I have just a cold. I will also work from home if I'm ill.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan over a year ago

Aylesbury

"Far more people are dying as a proportion of those infected. Although I'm not personally worried for myself as I'm fairly fit and healthy. I will be taking precautions and avoiding contact with elderly or Ill relatives if I have just a cold. I will also work from home if I'm ill. "

I wish I could work from home, but so long as you are okay then that's fine.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I wish I could work from home, but so long as you are okay then that's fine."
I don't take the attitude that as long as I am OK it is fine. I would avoid contact with people just in case. That's the opposite of what I'm saying. I can't help that I do a job where I can work remotely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wish I could work from home, but so long as you are okay then that's fine."

Don’t think that’s what he was saying at all!

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan over a year ago

Aylesbury

I wish I could work from home, but so long as you are okay then that's fine. I don't take the attitude that as long as I am OK it is fine. I would avoid contact with people just in case. That's the opposite of what I'm saying. I can't help that I do a job where I can work remotely. "

Why ever not? I would

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

It never was ‘just’ flu.

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By *he Little Fuck MachineMan over a year ago

Co.Antrim

https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts

15 minutes or so long but Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm discussing and explaining Coronavirus with Joe Rogan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It never was ‘just’ flu. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It never was ‘just’ flu. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It never was ‘just’ flu. "

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Haha it's quite funny how people are worrying so much have you seen the statistics for deaths in the world any way with out this virus more people die from snake bites every day than have died from this virus in one day and I for one have never seen a snake in the wild if your going to catch it you will and if your gonna die from it you will so no point worying to much.

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By *ccasional EncountersCouple over a year ago

huddersfield

We need to take every precaution possible..both for the sake of yourself and for others

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"It never was ‘just’ flu.

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious. "

Do they? I’m not so sure. Time will tell. You usually just get the usual comments of “more people die of ...” what a pointless argument that is.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Haha it's quite funny how people are worrying so much have you seen the statistics for deaths in the world any way with out this virus more people die from snake bites every day than have died from this virus in one day and I for one have never seen a snake in the wild if your going to catch it you will and if your gonna die from it you will so no point worying to much."
It isn't about the current numbers, it's about the potential. If we take no measures we be dying in the hundreds of thousands maybe millions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In the last year 16,000 people died of the flu in the UK but because that’s an old Illness we dint hear about it

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By *he Devils Daughter!Woman over a year ago

some where in yorkshire

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have only two questions.. and I know the answers.

What exactly was being made at the chemical plant in China that exploded in January?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3046078/blast-rips-through-chinese-chemical-plant-deemed-unsafe-july

and.... when were the first cases of Corona Virus / Covid-19 made public???

Conspiracy theory number 392

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Over 100,000 people die from Coronary heart disease each year in the UK.

No doubt the same people who are hoarding toilet paper are having 'extra fries' with their burger as we speak. Unfortunately most people are risk illiterate.

Here is what a Canadian infectious disease has written.

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even

imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.

Our children will thank us for it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Over 100,000 people die from Coronary heart disease each year in the UK.

No doubt the same people who are hoarding toilet paper are having 'extra fries' with their burger as we speak. Unfortunately most people are risk illiterate.

Here is what a Canadian infectious disease has written.

imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.

Our children will thank us for it.

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. But when I am saying it has the potential to kill more than the flu, that's also experts I've heard that from. I think we agree we shouldn't panic but do need to take more care with hygiene though.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"In the last year 16,000 people died of the flu in the UK but because that’s an old Illness we dint hear about it "

Thousands die every year from flu but that’s not the point. Flu has a vaccine - fair enough it’s a ‘best guess’ vaccine but that helps prevent it from being worse than it is.

Covid-19 is new - we don’t know where it’s going to end and there is no vaccine. It spreads more readily, in incubates differently and therefore more will unfortunately die from it. People can’t keep compairing it to seasonal flu.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"In the last year 16,000 people died of the flu in the UK but because that’s an old Illness we dint hear about it

Thousands die every year from flu but that’s not the point. Flu has a vaccine - fair enough it’s a ‘best guess’ vaccine but that helps prevent it from being worse than it is.

China appear to have it under control ...

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"In the last year 16,000 people died of the flu in the UK but because that’s an old Illness we dint hear about it

Thousands die every year from flu but that’s not the point. Flu has a vaccine - fair enough it’s a ‘best guess’ vaccine but that helps prevent it from being worse than it is.

China appear to have it under control ..."

They appear to be making headway but they’ve been dealing with this for longer than us and their quarantine procedures were more stringent. I hope their measures work though.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It was never like the flu. Nobody has resistance and it kills more. I'm hoping the government is better than the Italian government was, as we really need to restrict this quickly. It's a shame it takes almost a week on average to show symptoms, as many will pass it on, in ignorance

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Haha it's quite funny how people are worrying so much have you seen the statistics for deaths in the world any way with out this virus more people die from snake bites every day than have died from this virus in one day and I for one have never seen a snake in the wild if your going to catch it you will and if your gonna die from it you will so no point worying to much. It isn't about the current numbers, it's about the potential. If we take no measures we be dying in the hundreds of thousands maybe millions. "

The thing is, those if us saying it's just flu aren't saying take no precautions. That's just what the panicked among us want you to believe.

Absolutely follow government guidelines. Wash your hands (as you should regardless of new viruses), use antibacterial or antiviral gels, ring helplines, get tested just don't panic.

Yes confirmed cases are increasing but so far, in this country, the deaths are not increasing at the same rate are they?

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"It never was ‘just’ flu. "

No it wasn’t and isn’t ‘just flu’ you’re right there babs

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Over 100,000 people die from Coronary heart disease each year in the UK.

No doubt the same people who are hoarding toilet paper are having 'extra fries' with their burger as we speak. Unfortunately most people are risk illiterate.

Here is what a Canadian infectious disease has written.

imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.

Our children will thank us for it.

I like this!

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By *ylvie 888Woman over a year ago

Cleethorpes

"It never was ‘just’ flu. "

Yes. I agree

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By *iker boy 69Man over a year ago

midlands

"It never was ‘just’ flu.

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious. "

Not me. I genuinely believe its mass scare mongering, to deflect from, and give an excuse as to why there is possibly a global recession on the cards. I know a fair few production based work places been quiet for a while,

before this come out, then booom.. heres the reason.. im not worried one iota

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Over 100,000 people die from Coronary heart disease each year in the UK.

No doubt the same people who are hoarding toilet paper are having 'extra fries' with their burger as we speak. Unfortunately most people are risk illiterate.

Here is what a Canadian infectious disease has written.

imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.

Our children will thank us for it.

Now this is the line the media should be taking. Spot on!

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"It never was ‘just’ flu.

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious.

before this come out, then booom.. heres the reason.. im not worried one iota"

How can it be scaremongering when people are dying?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It never was ‘just’ flu.

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious.

before this come out, then booom.. heres the reason.. im not worried one iota

How can it be scaremongering when people are dying? "

People die of pretty much everything every day. The hysteria outweighs the risk.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"It never was ‘just’ flu.

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious.

before this come out, then booom.. heres the reason.. im not worried one iota

How can it be scaremongering when people are dying?

People die of pretty much everything every day. The hysteria outweighs the risk."

Yes people do die everyday from all sorts of things but that’s not the issue at the moment. They don’t isolate countries for nothing, the risk is real.

There isn’t mass hysteria. There are some daft folk buying excessive amounts of toilet rolls.

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By *ooking4othersMan over a year ago

Here ...

Washing your hands can help resolve many of the death rates listed for flu etc.

If people actually did this more often then those people wouldn't be dying in such large numbers either.

There are lazy, ignorant people everywhere and one day they will die from interaction from someone just as lazy as themselves ... that is their comeuppance.

Its those that are hygienic and considerate of others that don't deserve to die but in a world with those others they're screwed ... bless them ...

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Washing your hands can help resolve many of the death rates listed for flu etc.

If people actually did this more often then those people wouldn't be dying in such large numbers either.

There are lazy, ignorant people everywhere and one day they will die from interaction from someone just as lazy as themselves ... that is their comeuppance.

Its those that are hygienic and considerate of others that don't deserve to die but in a world with those others they're screwed ... bless them ... "

Good lord.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lets fuck

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Lets fuck "

Have you been tested?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lets fuck

Have you been tested? "

By who ?

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Lets fuck

Have you been tested?

By who ? "

Me! I’ll test you

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Lets fuck

Have you been tested?

By who ?

Me! I’ll test you

Tart!

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Lets fuck

Have you been tested?

By who ?

Me! I’ll test you

Tart!

He loves it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lets fuck

Have you been tested?

By who ?

Me! I’ll test you

Tart!

He loves it

I do ! Plus your anus look so tight when your cough

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Since the start of coronavirus there have been 125,643 cases 67,051 have already made a full recovery and of the remaining cases 89% of those only have mild symptoms so not just flu no prob weaker

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We don't deserve our place in this world. Population control is coming. Natural or man made are our two choices.

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By *ooking4othersMan over a year ago

Here ...

"Washing your hands can help resolve many of the death rates listed for flu etc.

If people actually did this more often then those people wouldn't be dying in such large numbers either.

There are lazy, ignorant people everywhere and one day they will die from interaction from someone just as lazy as themselves ... that is their comeuppance.

Its those that are hygienic and considerate of others that don't deserve to die but in a world with those others they're screwed ... bless them ...

Good lord. "

Thanks for the input ... not sure what it means though?

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

“WHO chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the number of cases outside China had increased 13-fold over the past two weeks.

He said he was "deeply concerned" by "alarming levels of inaction" over the virus.”

It is troubling.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes it can be fatal, but the real problem is more how quickly it’s spreading and the impact upon the economies of the world that is the big problem

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the sooner people accept this is happening and our lives are going to disrupted for a few a weeks the better.

Yes it's going to be rough but we all have a responsibility to help contain this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Google days 16,000 people died of flu I'm the UK last year, a bit more than 4!

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By *iker boy 69Man over a year ago

midlands

"It never was ‘just’ flu.

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious.

before this come out, then booom.. heres the reason.. im not worried one iota

How can it be scaremongering when people are dying? "

People die of flu all the time, and other things that wouldnt kill already healthy people. This coumtry has 65+ million ppl and about 500 cases of this, with approx 15 deaths, all of people who were already poorly. Its my opinion thats its blown out of proportion to distract us from other issues

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Google days 16,000 people died of flu I'm the UK last year, a bit more than 4!

Multiple thousands die every flu season worldwide but it doesn’t alter the current situation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Google days 16,000 people died of flu I'm the UK last year, a bit more than 4!

Multiple thousands die every flu season worldwide but it doesn’t alter the current situation. "

Exactly and flu doesn't spread like this.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"It never was ‘just’ flu.

I know. But a lot of people were saying we need to stop being snowflakes. Now I think that argument has been comprehensively proven wrong and most people now accept it is far more serious.

before this come out, then booom.. heres the reason.. im not worried one iota

How can it be scaremongering when people are dying?

There are 6 deaths so far in the uk. It doesn’t matter what people generally die of. We’re talking about the unknown with this one. So you think the WHO are in on this conspiracy?

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By *ooking4othersMan over a year ago

Here ...

Whatever your thoughts there are simple precautions to follow ... which we should all be doing as part of our 'normal'lives ... so it should have minimal impact ... but people won't ... so it will be a bigger issue that it needs to be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you work for the media, This is the sort of scaremongering they peddle 24/7.

Let's look at World Health Organization facts, that's a recognised official organisation not your mate down the pub or the tabloids.

As is March 11th:

125,000 confirmed cases in 120 countries.

4,500 have died.

67,000 have fully recovered.

Now, I'm sure even your small tabloid reading brain can work out that even with the deaths over 50% so far infected have recovered. And let's not forget the 125,000 figure is since December 2019, NOT how many are infected now.

So go and count your toilet roll and stop trolling.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Google days 16,000 people died of flu I'm the UK last year, a bit more than 4!

Multiple thousands die every flu season worldwide but it doesn’t alter the current situation. "

I don't remember any news coverage or MPs spouting about what their doing last year, do you?

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Google days 16,000 people died of flu I'm the UK last year, a bit more than 4!

Multiple thousands die every flu season worldwide but it doesn’t alter the current situation.

I don't remember any news coverage or MPs spouting about what their doing last year, do you?"

I don’t understand what you mean?

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Google days 16,000 people died of flu I'm the UK last year, a bit more than 4!

Multiple thousands die every flu season worldwide but it doesn’t alter the current situation.

I don't remember any news coverage or MPs spouting about what their doing last year, do you?"

If you mean what did they say or do about it last year then what they did was have a flu vaccination campaign.

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By *uenevereWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Google days 16,000 people died of flu I'm the UK last year, a bit more than 4!

Multiple thousands die every flu season worldwide but it doesn’t alter the current situation.

Exactly and flu doesn't spread like this. "

Flu spreads exactly the same way, and in some cases the virus is active outside the body for up to 24 hours (nhs website).

The difference is that this is new, so people have a lower resistance and there's no vaccine, yet. The death rate for Covid-19 is a bit higher than flu as a result. Bare in mind most who get flu will have minor symptoms and don't get it verified.

Whilst it is important to do our best to contain the virus, I think some people are overreacting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It doesn't multiply in a linear fashion, so if we just do nothing at all then most of the population will be infected by late April and up to two million people could die in the UK alone.

Do you honestly think that China and Italy would have taken the steps they have if it wasn't absolutely necessary? The reason the death toll is comparatively low at the moment is precisely because of the measures that have been put in place around the world to help prevent its spread.

The level of ignorance shown by some people is staggering. Taking preventative measures now could potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives, including members of your own family.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

It doesn't multiply in a linear fashion, so if we just do nothing at all then most of the population will be infected by late April and up to two million people could die in the UK alone.

The level of ignorance shown by some people is staggering. Taking preventative measures now could potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives, including members of your own family.

But they don’t want to believe that the measures have helped. They just want to say it’s not as bad as flu.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here's the difference:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released their estimates for the influenza season from October 1, 2019 and February 29, 2020. During that period, an estimated 34 to 49 million people have been sickened with the flu, with 350,000 to 620,000 hospitalized. The estimated deaths from the flu is between 20,000 and 52,000 people

If 34 million people contracted COVID-19 at 3.4% mortality rate then 1,156,000 people would die vs 20 - 30k.

This virus has not been and gone so we don't know how many people will eventually contract it before a vaccine becomes available.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-51839944

It's now officially a pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

Who is overreacting?

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"In the last year 16,000 people died of the flu in the UK but because that’s an old Illness we dint hear about it

Thousands die every year from flu but that’s not the point. Flu has a vaccine - fair enough it’s a ‘best guess’ vaccine but that helps prevent it from being worse than it is.

Most people make a full recovery from this virus and therefore have built up a certain amount of immunity in they're bodies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It doesn't spread in a linear fashion, it spreads exponentially. If preventative measures are not taken, 400 today could be 1,000 by the weekend and 8,000 the following weekend 'cause the chills, they're multiplying.

Bugger it, I give up. Perhaps it's time for a good clear out anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

Who is overreacting? "

All the idiots panic buying hand gel and loo rolls

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the last year 16,000 people died of the flu in the UK but because that’s an old Illness we dint hear about it

Thousands die every year from flu but that’s not the point. Flu has a vaccine - fair enough it’s a ‘best guess’ vaccine but that helps prevent it from being worse than it is.

Most people make a full recovery from this virus and therefore have built up a certain amount of immunity in they're bodies. "

That's right the majority will shake it off anyway.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

Every shop in italy is now closed except food shops

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Every shop in italy is now closed except food shops"

If people can't work how are they supposed to buy food

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts

15 minutes or so long but Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm discussing and explaining Coronavirus with Joe Rogan."

I watched the full episode. He seems to think that we may be better off getting out and about and letting it run its course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective. "

Where did you come up.with 3.4%?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

As you say an estimate which means they don't have a clue.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are quite a few horror stories supposedly from the medical practitioners in Italy now. Trouble is, they are on the internet..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective.

Where did you come up.with 3.4%?"

It's the fugure that's been bandied about.

I've already discussed the fact everyone has their own mortality rate. Mainly because mortality rate is not something that can be calculated until AFTER a pandemic. So it's all guesswork as was using 50% rather than 70%.

What do you think it is?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective.

Where did you come up.with 3.4%?

It's the fugure that's been bandied about.

What do you think it is?"

Rest my case you ssid yourself it's guesswork

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective.

Where did you come up.with 3.4%?"

"The global mortality rate for COVID-19 is 3.4%, WHO said on March 2. This virus causes more severe illness than the flu, but doesn't spread as efficiently, the director-general said"

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates.html

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective.

Where did you come up.with 3.4%?

It's the fugure that's been bandied about.

What do you think it is?

Rest my case you ssid yourself it's guesswork "

Maybe that's a better perspective. We don't know what the final death toll will be.

In term of a worst case POTTENTIAL then you have 80% of 66.44 million who may contract COVID-19. That's 53,152,000 people who may become infected. Despite a 2.4% of babyboomers and 1.5million population over 85.... Given the WHO figure of 3.4% mortality. Potentially 1,807,168 people dying in the UK alone.

A tad more than 400...

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By *iger4uWoman over a year ago

In my happy place

Wht are there so many cases in Italy. Its not next to China.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective.

Where did you come up.with 3.4%?

It's the fugure that's been bandied about.

What do you think it is?

Rest my case you ssid yourself it's guesswork

Maybe that's a better perspective. We don't know what the final death toll will be.

A tad more than 400..."

If those figures come to pass it's still low compared to the overall population of the Uk.

Where do these figures come from ?

If this is a new virus we have nothing to compare to so it's a guesstimate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Paranoia and hysteria! Get a fuggen grip you melts!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wht are there so many cases in Italy. Its not next to China. "

It was brought in by one person. Mattia. Marathon runner at outbreak epicentre infected 13 people including his pregnant wife, two doctors, three bar-goers and a 77-year-old woman who died

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

It would be in perspective if those 400 would be the only people to contract the virus.

They estimate 50 to 70% of us will eventually catch it. That's a best case of 32 million people. And if the mortality rate is anywhere just over 3.4% that gives you 1,105,000 fatalities.

There's perspective.

Where did you come up.with 3.4%?

It's the fugure that's been bandied about.

What do you think it is?

Rest my case you ssid yourself it's guesswork

Maybe that's a better perspective. We don't know what the final death toll will be.

A tad more than 400...

If those figures come to pass it's still low compared to the overall population of the Uk.

Where do these figures come from ?

If this is a new virus we have nothing to compare to so it's a guesstimate."

The population of the country os known.

The rate of infection transmission is known in uncontrolled environment. (Ie. Without Quarantine measures etc)

When you have an R0 and a population then you can build a mathematical model of the spread. A mathematical model at Johm Hopkins predicted 500 000 I believe.

It all depends on what quarantine measures we take that will determine the final outcome. Which I think we can all agree we don't know yet.

Spanish flu lasted 3 years. We are 4 months into a virus that may only have a vaccine in 12 -18 months.

To say we only have 400 cases and 6 deaths at this stage is like saying we only have a match in a dry forest. It could be nothing but it could also be huge. We don't know.

What we do know is it hits the aged hard. We have a lot of 80+ people in the UK. So the threat is there.

People compare this to car deaths etc. But don't look at percentages. For instace if 110 000 people started driving cars and after 4 months 4000 were dead we'd give the whole car thing a rethink.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly it hits the aged hard it's inevitable. More die from the ordinary flu. We all die of something one day. This corona is just scaremongering. Most people will fight this off.

People are loosing their jobs and everything because employers can't afford to keep staff.

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By *iger4uWoman over a year ago

In my happy place

"Wht are there so many cases in Italy. Its not next to China.

It was brought in by one person. Mattia. Marathon runner at outbreak epicentre infected 13 people including his pregnant wife, two doctors, three bar-goers and a 77-year-old woman who died"

Thanks... I must have missed that...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sadly it hits the aged hard it's inevitable. More die from the ordinary flu. We all die of something one day. This corona is just scaremongering. Most people will fight this off.

People are loosing their jobs and everything because employers can't afford to keep staff.

True. Most people will just fight it off.

Some people will pass it on to others who will die. Not scary for some, scary for those at risk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-set-to-move-to-delay-phase-schools-could-close-and-major-events-cancelled-11955695

Let's see what tomorrow brings...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-set-to-move-to-delay-phase-schools-could-close-and-major-events-cancelled-11955695

Let's see what tomorrow brings..."

I for one will not be putting the news on but will be getting on with my day

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By *ids_NaughtyCouple over a year ago

West Midlands

Wrong - more people still died from the flu - coronavirus is more infectious but less deadly than the seasonal flu.

Simple fact if the whole planet caught the seasonal flu then death rate would be higher than if the whole planet caught coronavirus.

You should take same precautions and hygiene either way!

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By *ids_NaughtyCouple over a year ago

West Midlands

17000 people on average in England alone die of the flu a year....5 people in England have died who has contracted coronavirus - all of whom had medical issues already. Their death certificates will show they died of those effects not the virus, the virus doesn’t actually kill you, it isn’t Ebola!

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By *ctionnotwords69Man over a year ago

ENFIELD

Wrong - more people still died from the flu - coronavirus is more infectious but less deadly than the seasonal flu.

Simple fact if the whole planet caught the seasonal flu then death rate would be higher than if the whole planet caught coronavirus.

You should take same precautions and hygiene either way! "

The mortality rate for Covid19 is a lot higher...about 1.4%. For seasonal flu it's only 0.1%.

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By *irty_DeedsMan over a year ago

Teesside

The numbers also don't reflect the potential thousands of cases of People who have caught it, and just stayed at home tucked up in bed until they got through it.

The media is solely focussed on the doom and gloom of deaths and how many new cases are appearing daily. Should we be worried? yes, being cautious is sensible, not purely for the medical aspects either. Should we be whipped into a toilet roll buying fear frenzy? I don't think so personally.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

Wrong - more people still died from the flu - coronavirus is more infectious but less deadly than the seasonal flu.

Simple fact if the whole planet caught the seasonal flu then death rate would be higher than if the whole planet caught coronavirus.

You should take same precautions and hygiene either way! "

The difference is that seasonal flu is much harder to catch than covid 19 because nearly everybody has some level of immunity already, either through annual vaccination or having been exposed to similar strains in previous years. So if one person has flu they may pass it to a few people that are in close contact, who may pass it to a few others, but not many will actually get sick. On the whole, flu outbreaks tend to die down. Even so, annually a few million people get flu, and a few tens of thousands die - somewhere between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 100.

What we are seeing with covid 19 is that people have got next to no resistance, it is transmitted really easily, and it spreads really fast. The outbreaks do not die down, they grow, unless extraordinary measures are taken to disallow people from coming into contact with each other. We have doctors catching it, even when they are taking every precaution with gloves, masks, protective clothing, disinfection etc. Every indication so far is that there is a strong possibility of a high percentage of the world's population catching it within the coming few months. And the stats for the death rate are higher than for normal seasonal flu, at between 1 in a 100 up to 1 in 20.

So we have a possibility of more people catching covid than flu, and more of those who do catch it will die. Death rate higher on both counts. World population is over 7 billion, so could be something like 100 times as many people catch covid as catch flu. And maybe five times as many of those die than they would of flu. Total deaths worldwide could get into hundreds of millions.

So yes it is similar to flu - but worse on all counts. Smallpox killed about 500 million people in total throughout all history. Covid 19 has the potential to do that many within a couple of months.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

WHO announced it's a pandemic verging on on endemic today.

2 months too late. 2 years too late, since a medical article was written then later published on a such like pandemic 2018 Jan 2019.

Warned about in various media books and films science the Bible.

What angers me is the telling us to accept the fact the elderly and poorly will likely be the main fatalities.

There's been plenty of time to protect these members of the population. Lot's of money to research and develope a vaccine.

Especially when they already knew the supposed the cause.

Really wtf. The fucking governments haven't got a clue. WHO are a complete waste of space.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they are so uselse's why don't you have a go at sorting it? ! I'm sure your qualified and experienced to do a great great job.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

"If they are so uselse's why don't you have a go at sorting it? ! I'm sure your qualified and experienced to do a great great job. "

Errrm.... it's not my job, if they paid me I would have said pandemic 6 fucking months ago. We pay these people to sort it, but they don't.

They don't need to be rocket scientists to know when an epidemic is going to be a pandemic. They are scared to say the truth or have an agenda which usually is the case.

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By *sianMancMan over a year ago

Manchester

Firstly it was never ever just a flu! People need to start educating themselves seriously this is ridiculous were in the uk and we think so backwardly.

It's not about the number dying it's about the contagion risk factor first. All humans are potential carriers thus potential agents of death.

Protect yourself now so you can protect all you love and your friends and neighbours and society as a whole.

Seriously just akin to a flu what the heck hahahaha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It seems it'd just your job to criticise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If they are so uselse's why don't you have a go at sorting it? ! I'm sure your qualified and experienced to do a great great job.

Errrm.... it's not my job, if they paid me I would have said pandemic 6 fucking months ago. We pay these people to sort it, but they don't.

They don't need to be rocket scientists to know when an epidemic is going to be a pandemic. They are scared to say the truth or have an agenda which usually is the case.

Just coincidentally both Trump and the WHO (who receive funding from USA) refused to call this a pandemic. But after the markets crashed they did 180 degree U-Turns. This despite the situation being better in China than when it wasn't a pandemic.

The definition of a pandemic is a disease spread over a wide area involving a large number of people. Something it has been, as you correctly point out for some time now. Nothing has really changed except the stock markets tanking.

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

If anyone is interested in the science of corona go to BBC iPlayer and search Inside Science today’s date.

The programme covers the complexities behind the virus, pathogens, mutation etc was very interesting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If anyone is interested in the science of corona go to BBC iPlayer and search Inside Science today’s date.

The programme covers the complexities behind the virus, pathogens, mutation etc was very interesting "

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would try to explain the folly of this approach but infer it will fall on deaf ears. By the end of this I think snakes will because safer option. As a matter of interest what IS the figure for snake bite deaths worldwide?

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"If anyone is interested in the science of corona go to BBC iPlayer and search Inside Science today’s date.

The programme covers the complexities behind the virus, pathogens, mutation etc was very interesting

Thank you

BBC Sounds! Not iplayer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Put this into perspective.

About 400 have corona compare that to the average pooulation of the Uk

65 million it's barely a drop in the ocean. Everyone needs to just calm down.

This is such an overreaction.

We've had bird flu swine flu.

400 and likely to grow exponentially. You do know what exponentially means right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't understand why if one discusses COVID-19 then one is "worrying" but if one discusses anything else like "does peeing sitting down make me gay?" it is not worrying.

Who makes up these rules of what we are allowed to discuss and not discuss?

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By *ids_NaughtyCouple over a year ago

West Midlands

People need to understand the seriousness of this but also the reality, and not result in panic actions that fundamentally make the situation worse.

People buying up tons of hand sanitizer is stupid - you can have all the supplies of it, but if nobody else has now got it, you might aswell just go snog someone with coronavirus. We all need to be clean to limit the infection. You can Sanatize your hands but then touch something that someone else hasn’t been able to sanatize because you brought 500 gallons of it - means they’ve contaminated what you touching and your sanatizing is no longer effective.

Reality is healthy people catching it is likely to result in then being unwell but not dying - the flu more likely to kill them. So it’s important that people with it keep themselves away from people who wouldn’t do so well if they caught it.

Which leads on to silly concepts of closing schools etc - kids unlikely to suffer if they catch it, but closing a school while parents are still working will likely result in grand parents etc caring, who maybe at risk. I’d rather my healthy kids have a bad cold for a few weeks than my parents die.

The death toll will rise - because of the level of contagious, but not cus it’s worse than the flu in severity but just because it spreads more.

Remember 17000 people in uk alone died last year of flu - globally so far only just over 5000 have died of this, that number will rise but only because of rapid spread and likelihood those with health issues will catch it. Which leads to the point of healthy people putting un healthy people at risk through Selfish behaviours.

People need to remain calm and follow advice, that way we will deal with this and not make the situation worse, because aside from getting a bad cold or risking others from death - the effects on jobs, on peoples lives will also be massive,

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By *unscot44Man over a year ago

Stepps (Glasgow)

Firstly it was never ever just a flu! People need to start educating themselves seriously this is ridiculous were in the uk and we think so backwardly.

It's not about the number dying it's about the contagion risk factor first. All humans are potential carriers thus potential agents of death.

Protect yourself now so you can protect all you love and your friends and neighbours and society as a whole.

Seriously just akin to a flu what the heck hahahaha"

I agree the trouble was too many Govt's including the idiot who is "Donald" tried to play seriousness of the situation down for Political gain.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People need to understand the seriousness of this but also the reality, and not result in panic actions that fundamentally make the situation worse.

The death toll will rise - because of the level of contagious, but not cus it’s worse than the flu in severity but just because it spreads more.

"The death toll will rise - because of the level of contagious, but not cus it’s worse than the flu in severity but just because it spreads more"

Really???

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By *sianMancMan over a year ago

Manchester

Firstly it was never ever just a flu! People need to start educating themselves seriously this is ridiculous were in the uk and we think so backwardly.

It's not about the number dying it's about the contagion risk factor first. All humans are potential carriers thus potential agents of death.

Protect yourself now so you can protect all you love and your friends and neighbours and society as a whole.

Seriously just akin to a flu what the heck hahahaha

I agree the trouble was too many Govt's including the idiot who is "Donald" tried to play seriousness of the situation down for Political gain."

It doesnt matter what governments say or do I mean do people still believe the lies peddled by leaders??

Dont people in the United kingdom if not rest of Europe know when the shit has hit the fan?

It was so so obvious that this was going to be a crisis and yet people did nothing.

I since mid to end January have stocked up on masks gloves gels and food stuff etc

I've made sure everything is there and then I've self isolate myself to not become part of the problem.

I'm lucky in that I can work from home but that aside atleast i saw what was going on.

Why couldn't everyone else? Ignorance is no longer an excuse!