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Astra Zeneca landmark high court battle - good news for vaccine injured patients?

By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

If these families are successful it looks as though it could open the door to many other families getting adequate compensation for vaccine injuries, in all honesty the £120k on offer from U.K. government is nowhere near enough to support 30 odd year olds with life changing conditions.

From the Daily Mail:

Drugs giant AstraZeneca faces a landmark High Court battle over accusations that some doses of its Covid-19 vaccine were 'defective' and claims of its efficacy were 'vastly overstated'.

Two test cases are expected before the court after recipients developed a rare condition following the rollout of the jab in 2021.

The vaccine, developed in partnership with Oxford University, was heralded for its role helping the UK recover from Covid, with more than 150million doses administered to date. Some six million lives were saved by the jab, studies show.

But it triggered blood clots in a very small number of people – with some leading to fatal complications. The condition is known as known as vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis (VITT).

IT engineer Jamie Scott is now bringing the court action after suffering a brain haemorrhage the day after his first AstraZeneca jab, leaving him with permanent brain damage.

His wife Kate last year told The Mail on Sunday how the father-of-two, from Warwickshire, was left partially blind and struggles with daily tasks – requiring physiotherapy to help regain movement.

Charity worker Mrs Scott said: 'It is a miracle that Jamie is still with us. I called the hospital three times to say goodbye. The doctors have said he may never work again.'

Currently, families are entitled to a £120,000 payout if a loved one dies or is left significantly disabled as a result of a Government-recommended jab. But experts say the system is outdated, prompting the court action.

Mrs Scott added: 'Even if we do get the £120,000 payment, it's not enough to keep us going for ever. And it's insulting, considering what Jamie has been through.'

A second claim is reportedly being brought by the widower and two children of Alpa Tailor, 35, who died after having the jab.

If successful, it could pave the way for similar claims, thought to be in the region of £1million each.

Mr Scott's lawyers told the Daily Telegraph they will argue that he suffered 'personal injuries', with an allegation that the jab was 'defective' and the efficacy of the vaccine had been misleading.

AstraZeneca said: 'From the body of evidence in clinical trials and real-world data, the vaccine has continuously been shown to have an acceptable safety profile and regulators around the world consistently state that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks of extremely rare potential side-effects.'

Millions of Brits rolled up their sleeves when called to get the vaccine in the hope of protecting themselves, vulnerable loved ones and society as a whole from the virus as it swept the country.

In comparison to rival vaccines which used pioneering mRNA technology, AstraZeneca's more traditional shot was cheaper and easier to store.

It uses a weakened version of an adenovirus — a pathogen which causes a common cold in chimpanzees. This is genetically modified to be incapable of making humans sick.

It carries genetic material from SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes Covid. This teaches the body's immune system how to fight the real virus.

AstraZeneca's vaccine, given as two doses taken up to 12 weeks apart, was praised as a being a game-changer during the pandemic.

Data suggested two doses of the AstraZeneca jab offered about 70 per cent protection against becoming ill, which meant developing any symptoms of Covid, as opposed to being hospitalised by it.

Other studies calculated that a single dose reduced the likelihood of hospitalisation by up to 94 per cent.

Officials in Britain approved it for public use on December 30, 2020, just weeks after the data was published.

The first doses were given on January 4, 2021, less than a month after the Pfizer vaccine. When the AstraZeneca jab was approved, then-health secretary Matt Hancock said it was a 'moment to celebrate British innovation'.

But the historic roll-out was marred after reports of a rare but dangerous, side-effect causing potentially deadly blood clots.

Trials weren't big enough to spot Vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia, or VITT, which can cause blood clots and has been linked to dozens of deaths and more injuries.

Opening the door for millions more Brits to get the jab, as the UK did during the first few months of 2021, effectively outed VITT. Officials spotted a small, yet significant, trend that allowed them to raise the alarm in the first week of April 2020.

The use of the vaccine was then restricted to older age groups and the jab is now no longer used in booster campaigns.

Government estimates suggest blood clots occur from taking AstraZeneca's jab in up to one in 10,000 people.

For VITT specifically, the risk is thought to be greatest to the under-50s, with one in 50,000 affected. In over-50s, officials believe the risk is about one in 100,000.

Deaths from VITT were unexpected, but this does not necessarily mean AstraZeneca's jab was faulty.

Millions of Brits had the life-saving jab without suffering any complications.

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By *rozac_fairyCouple over a year ago

Tamworth

This would be wonderful.

The Astra killed a friend of mine. She had it on a Thursday, by Saturday she was riddled with blood clots and she died due to complications of blood clots on her brain within a week. She was only 33, 2 weeks later the Astra was no longer available to anyone under 35.

I'd love to see the same with the Pfizer, it's left me with dysautonomia and has ruined so much of my life.

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

"This would be wonderful.

I'd love to see the same with the Pfizer, it's left me with dysautonomia and has ruined so much of my life. "

I’m really sorry to read this. I’d bet a pound to a penny that this occurs much more regularly than this article would have us believe too.

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By *rozac_fairyCouple over a year ago

Tamworth

"This would be wonderful.

I'd love to see the same with the Pfizer, it's left me with dysautonomia and has ruined so much of my life.

I’m really sorry to read this. I’d bet a pound to a penny that this occurs much more regularly than this article would have us believe too. "

I know the Pfizer at this point is linked to many heart complications. My dysautonomia effects my heart, it's left me with IST and POTs. I've kept up with reading their results as I noticed the problems 7 mins after having the jab, it took 2.5 years to actually get diagnosed and the Neurologist & Cardiologist both said these problems "weren't a surprise". I took that as they'd both seen the same or similar issues in other patient's who have had that vaccine.

It is what it is though. Had to make a choice at the time, made the wrong choice. I got off lightly, I'm still here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They want money now???

What for? - They knew there was no liability before: 'rolling up their sleeves'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They want money now???

What for? - They knew there was no liability before: 'rolling up their sleeves'."

I was just going to say that I thought there was an indemnity attaching to this vaccine but couldn’t be certain with my recollection

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They want money now???

What for? - They knew there was no liability before: 'rolling up their sleeves'.

I was just going to say that I thought there was an indemnity attaching to this vaccine but couldn’t be certain with my recollection "

I wonder what minority of the populaton will be paying for it! Oh let me guess...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

...Anyway don't they feel glad they got vaxxed even though it crippled/almost killed them (etc)? - After all it: 'could have been worse' if they DIDN'T get it, right?

... I'm a little confused with their mentality.

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By *hawslut_redemptionCouple over a year ago

Minehead

Stopped reading when the Daily Fail was mentioned.

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

"Stopped reading when the Daily Fail was mentioned. "

Similar one from March here on BMJ https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p725

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By *hawslut_redemptionCouple over a year ago

Minehead

Similar but not the same.

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By *iberatedduoCouple over a year ago

Ashbourne

There is a small risk with all medications. If I was to read all the potential side effects of what I have been dispensed then I wouldn’t take anything at all.

Drs advise but it’s down to the patient to form their own judgment.

I had the astrazeneca and was fine. I had a minor reaction to the Pfizer therefore haven’t had anymore jabs since. It’s a sad do, risks are all around us.

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By *eliusMan over a year ago

Henlow

"There is a small risk with all medications. If I was to read all the potential side effects of what I have been dispensed then I wouldn’t take anything at all.

Drs advise but it’s down to the patient to form their own judgment.

I had the astrazeneca and was fine. I had a minor reaction to the Pfizer therefore haven’t had anymore jabs since. It’s a sad do, risks are all around us.

Exactly! Although rare, Naproxen and ibuprofen have been attributed to blood clot formation. Just pull out the little folded sheet you get with your over the counter meds and have a read of the possible side effects.

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS over a year ago

Lanson

Id rather read the published peer reviewed papers & the reports in the Lancet that conclude vaccines saved millions of lives - as opposed to stuff in the daily Mail where folk are basically chasing compo......

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

And no one was forced to have it either...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yellow card scene I think indicates the biggest adverse serious effects from vaccines was gastrointestinal tract inflammation. Hundreds of thousands of cases of it me included. So much so the queue for endoscope investigative was 2 years long 2021 from a month odds pre COVID, so I went private.

It might not be as serious potentially as a DVT but I've had 2 years of hellish health with various food related gastro problems. I hold the vaccine responsible because covid was a total non event for me and I didn't catch it first until 2022.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

excellent write up interesting made a lot of sense nice one mikey

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Id rather read the published peer reviewed papers & the reports in the Lancet that conclude vaccines saved millions of lives - as opposed to stuff in the daily Mail where folk are basically chasing compo......

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

And no one was forced to have it either..."
no one was forced? Really could of sworn they were telling people they couldnt travel if they didnt get it and threatening to make it difficult to do stuff christ they were even thrratening nhs staff with the sack

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By *agondaMan over a year ago

Witterings

People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated.

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By *olf and RedCouple over a year ago

Nr Cardiff or at Chams Darlaston

The Big Pharmas can afford to pay compensation. They must have made a fortune from producing the vaccines.

Red

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Yeah i saw that story. Good.

There is no denying that the "messages" started off with outright denial, then, bbut it's so unlikely, and now some "truth" is emerging. Too late for some. But hopefully a learning for everyone. Think for yourself even in the middle of a shit storm of terror. And for the scientists, statisticians, politicians and media... Do better.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. "
not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

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By *agondaMan over a year ago

Witterings

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it"

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By *ake300Man over a year ago

Lisburn

I had both ruined my life

Also left feeling like a fool by the medical profesions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I had both ruined my life

Also left feeling like a fool by the medical profesions

Does it stop you from having intimacy with others? - Incase you spread your health-problems (perhaps through your blood)?

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By *I TwoCouple over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Yeah i saw that story. Good.

Can you tell me the percentage of people affected Vs overall vaccines used ?

Genuinely interested.

Maybe if you could do it for ibuprofen too

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

"Yeah i saw that story. Good.

Can you tell me the percentage of people affected Vs overall vaccines used ?

Genuinely interested.

Maybe if you could do it for ibuprofen too"

Maybe we could start another thread for ibuprofen, but from the article there the government estimate 1 in 10000 people are affected just by blood clots, so 150M doses of AZ given out; you can do the maths.

That doesn’t include though for other side effects or other versions of the drug.

Vaccine injury from AZ in U.K. will be affecting thousands of families. It’s clear it’s an issue because it was pulled from circulation and quite rightly by the looks.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Yeah i saw that story. Good.

Can you tell me the percentage of people affected Vs overall vaccines used ?

Genuinely interested.

Maybe if you could do it for ibuprofen too"

Fairly typical argument used.

No I can't. And no I can't for ibuprofen either. Not any other drugs. Which all have been tested properly and have long history.

For me the fact we were sold (and most of us bought) this completely safe treatment which turned out to be just like every other drug which has consequences is what needs to be addressed. We were sold... Have this or end up in hospital, or can't work, or can't travel, or can't see people... That's what was so wrong, the initial claims and publicity.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Yeah i saw that story. Good.

Can you tell me the percentage of people affected Vs overall vaccines used ?

Genuinely interested.

Maybe if you could do it for ibuprofen too

That doesn’t include though for other side effects or other versions of the drug.

Vaccine injury from AZ in U.K. will be affecting thousands of families. It’s clear it’s an issue because it was pulled from circulation and quite rightly by the looks. "

Indeed. What's wrong is it was rushed out and people argued till they were blue in the face that it was thoroughly tested. No other vaccine has been so thoroughly tested etc... There are learnings to be had here. For a lot of people / agencies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I avoided it due to the long term side effects

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching it"
it wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances"

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

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By *I TwoCouple over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest. "

From the OP

"For VITT specifically, the risk is thought to be greatest to the under-50s, with one in 50,000 affected. In over-50s, officials believe the risk is about one in 100,000.

Deaths from VITT were unexpected, but this does not necessarily mean AstraZeneca's jab was faulty.

Millions of Brits had the life-saving jab without suffering any complications."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest. "

HAHAHA

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By *illan-KillashMan over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

"I avoided it due to the long term side effects"

What long term side effects?

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

From the OP

"For VITT specifically, the risk is thought to be greatest to the under-50s, with one in 50,000 affected. In over-50s, officials believe the risk is about one in 100,000.

Deaths from VITT were unexpected, but this does not necessarily mean AstraZeneca's jab was faulty.

Millions of Brits had the life-saving jab without suffering any complications.""

What I mean is, the risks weren’t well known. Most people just trusted the official word, and assumed it was safe and effective. As the government and every medical professional with a public stage insisted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I avoided it due to the long term side effects"

And how did you know there would be “long term side effects”? Also, what is your definition of “long term”?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I avoided it due to the long term side effects

What long term side effects?"

Exactly my point..

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I avoided it due to the long term side effects

What long term side effects?"

The ones that are now causing compensation cases to be brought forward.

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

I remember when side affects were a conspiracy theory.

Not anymore.

Also no one can sue big phama, as they had iron clad contracts.

Now they are in court.

Stand up for big phama it is your right, but please when the truth is revealed as in side affects, long covid etc, accept it as it is.

It is hard to change ones mind when one has spoken up for big phama, but big phama has lied to you to sell a product, just accept it and move on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Glad I never took any of these dreadful jabs, loads of my customers have died since taking them and many more have turbo cancers.

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By *winga2Man over a year ago

Stranraer

"Glad I never took any of these dreadful jabs, loads of my customers have died since taking them and many more have turbo cancers. "

I'm just grateful I'm not one of your customers then :eek

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Where are all the pro vaccine people gone of this page? You know the ones who called us tin hat wearing idiots, and wouldn’t listen to any one who hadn’t been vaccinated. So glad none of my family had any of the jabs, this is going to run for a long time.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"Glad I never took any of these dreadful jabs, loads of my customers have died since taking them and many more have turbo cancers. "

Reuters says Dr Charles Hoffe is currently under investigation by the College of Physicians and Surgeons for spreading false information about "turbo cancers"

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

"Glad I never took any of these dreadful jabs, loads of my customers have died since taking them and many more have turbo cancers.

Reuters says Dr Charles Hoffe is currently under investigation by the College of Physicians and Surgeons for spreading false information about "turbo cancers""

Not sure about that, but an interesting side note is, the former CEO of Reuters, James Smith is involved with the world economic forum and sits on the pfizer board of directors.

Naturally, I’d expect anything reported by Reuters to be biased towards the pharma industry.

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By *eterandJaneadventuresCouple over a year ago

Sutton

Here is a Question, How much are Oxford University being sued for ?

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By *hoenixagamTV/TS over a year ago

Rural

"Where are all the pro vaccine people gone of this page? You know the ones who called us tin hat wearing idiots, and wouldn’t listen to any one who hadn’t been vaccinated. So glad none of my family had any of the jabs, this is going to run for a long time. "

Didn't go near it, I took a conscious risk assessment and researched how long it takes to create a vaccine. And the possibility of me getting really sick from it.

My conclusion was 99. Something percentage of me being ok

My family weren't all social justice warriors about whether I took it or not....

My family are quite liberal and stuck to the mantra of our bodies our choice. Meanwhile the people who claimed to be liberal lol were the ones going all hostile and shaming people.

I suppose that's what gave me the impression that the people calling themselves liberal weren't liberal after all and the more conservative leaning people were less hostile and more liberal.

It was strange times indeed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Many are in hospital taking up room with self-inflicted problems... Saving the NHS!

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

"Here is a Question, How much are Oxford University being sued for ? "

It is a good question, I suppose it depends who benefitted from the £bn’s of profits.

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By *r-8-BBCMan over a year ago

LONDON

I was waiting for this comment. I can hear Crickets

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA"

What's so funny? It's true..

If people had been informed right at the beginning that the vaccine was 'experimental' as rightly pointed out by Mike Yeadon in his open letter to Matt Hancock I'm certain the uptake would have been far less.

As Yeadon said, the public were not being given the full,and whole details of the vaccines to make an informed choice on whether or not to have them,and to which he believed was being done to a criminal extent..

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

Since the WHO advocated the drug, why aren't they in the frame?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

LOLOLOL!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"I remember when side affects were a conspiracy theory.

Not anymore.

Also no one can sue big phama, as they had iron clad contracts.

Now they are in court.

Stand up for big phama it is your right, but please when the truth is revealed as in side affects, long covid etc, accept it as it is.

It is hard to change ones mind when one has spoken up for big phama, but big phama has lied to you to sell a product, just accept it and move on."

Are you trying to say long covid is a side affect of the vaccine?

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By *eukcplCouple over a year ago

durham

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

And no one was forced to have it either...no one was forced? Really could of sworn they were telling people they couldnt travel if they didnt get it and threatening to make it difficult to do stuff christ they were even thrratening nhs staff with the sack"

Don't forget the carers who were sacked. makes my blood boil when people turn around now and say no one was forced.

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By *kexpat81Man over a year ago

Aldgate

What do they say? Its easier to be fooled than admit you have been fooled.

People should be jailed, but a Turkey doesn't vote for Christmas so I can't imagine anything will happen to anyone.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"They want money now???

What for? - They knew there was no liability before: 'rolling up their sleeves'."

That was never actually true...

To get the vaccines into use sooner, Governments agreed to relieve the manufacturers of liability until their products had received full approval (not just emergency use approval). This situation ended as soon as the different vaccines had completed their official approval & licensing.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m definitely pro vaccine but I didn’t take the vaccine because to me personally the risks of getting covid didn’t justify the vaccine.

There was a lot of media scaremongering which I think contributed to a large uptake of vaccines. In my view the media engaged in a lot of irresponsible journalism

I do recall the pressure on certain sectors of the labour force being threatened with suspension/termination of employment in public sectors and felt that was wholly wrong. In private sectors I wouldn’t have had an issue with it.

Personally I didn’t think it was right that there was ever immunity from product defect claims however I do think that a lot of people were willingly blinded to the risks and would have always opted for the vaccine rather than face their chances with Covid

Ultimately we all take a gamble. If we didn’t take a vaccine we determined that the risk of us suffering the worst outcome from being unvaccinated was better than the risk of the worst outcome from vaccination. people who chose to be vaccinated decided the risk of the worst outcome from vaccination was better than the risk of the worst outcome from not being vaccinated.

Anyway it is all really sad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I’m definitely pro vaccine but I didn’t take the vaccine because to me personally the risks of getting covid didn’t justify the vaccine.

There was a lot of media scaremongering which I think contributed to a large uptake of vaccines. In my view the media engaged in a lot of irresponsible journalism

Anyway it is all really sad."

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER? "

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'."

Or indeed that there would be severe side effects for a small number.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

Or indeed that there would be severe side effects for a small number. "

That's normal for meds.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

Or indeed that there would be severe side effects for a small number.

That's normal for meds."

Very much so, which is why in the first 6 months when people were questioning serious side effects or lack of long term testing, a d being reassured... No no no it's all OK, we haven't seen any severe side effects.. Don't you worry.. In fact... Have it or you can't travel, work, see grandma, go to the pub... Its so safe. And now finally some admittance that some of the comms were inaccurate or lies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They want money now???

What for? - They knew there was no liability before: 'rolling up their sleeves'.

That was never actually true...

Cal"

But they always do that. The did it with swine flu and the one before that... Is it the governments fault people don't avail themselves to information all around them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'."

I can't share valid links on here but nice try to get me removed!

We're talking about manufacturers with the biggest fraud cases in history to their names who made these 'medications' and politicans with a 99% track record of lying telling people to get them lol!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No point bitching about it now.

Maybe they should just go and find someone sitting barefoot in a field somewhere wearing a tin-foil hat and get educated from them for a bit.

Lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

I can't share valid links on here but nice try to get me removed!

We're talking about manufacturers with the biggest fraud cases in history to their names who made these 'medications' and politicans with a 99% track record of lying telling people to get them lol!

There is NO valid link,because the public were never told by the Government or MSM the vaccines were experimental..Had they been, the uptake would undoubtedly have been less, to what extent we can only assume. IMO the failure to provide that information by all authorities concerned was done deliberately, thus stopping recipients from making an informed choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

I can't share valid links on here but nice try to get me removed!

We're talking about manufacturers with the biggest fraud cases in history to their names who made these 'medications' and politicans with a 99% track record of lying telling people to get them lol!

Lol ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

I can't share valid links on here but nice try to get me removed!

We're talking about manufacturers with the biggest fraud cases in history to their names who made these 'medications' and politicans with a 99% track record of lying telling people to get them lol!

Lol ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

I can't share valid links on here but nice try to get me removed!

We're talking about manufacturers with the biggest fraud cases in history to their names who made these 'medications' and politicans with a 99% track record of lying telling people to get them lol!

Lol ok

How come many members of the public knew all this stuff then, (if (as you say); the information wasn't out there?

They knew because they did a tinyyyyy little bit of research before they made their choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyway its too late.

Nothing anyone can do to help them now and why try when they won't even help themselves?

I'm bored talking about this. I'll just watch the shit-show without words from now on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyone is looking for someone to blame barr themselves.

People used to smoke because:

'Doctors' and 'health experts' recommended it, and if people were daft enough to smoke because of that - then that's on them.

Same in this situation.

People think this generation is wiser than the last... But no... It's even more stupid than the last.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would never gather that so much of your life has been ruined looking at your profile

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't watch the news, I've not read the article, I saw a post .. they're claiming as the full risk(s) weren't advised they might have not taken it if known

My reading about the indemnity it started years ago polio jab from memory there was a problem with production caused a lot of issues, think it caused a drug company bankruptcy, so manufacturers drugs companies wouldn't develop vaccines with potentially crippling liabilities for a drug with small profits so gov'ts have underwritten them since,

If these are settled its likely public(tax payer) money

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"There is a small risk with all medications. If I was to read all the potential side effects of what I have been dispensed then I wouldn’t take anything at all.

Drs advise but it’s down to the patient to form their own judgment.

I had the astrazeneca and was fine. I had a minor reaction to the Pfizer therefore haven’t had anymore jabs since. It’s a sad do, risks are all around us.

That's so true. Risk of death or life changing jabs. A very loaded question, that no one wanted to be asked. Hind sight is truly a wonderful thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I ended up with type 1 diabetes 3 weeks after my 2nd jag

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

"I ended up with type 1 diabetes 3 weeks after my 2nd jag"

Correlation is not causation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

I can't share valid links on here but nice try to get me removed!

We're talking about manufacturers with the biggest fraud cases in history to their names who made these 'medications' and politicans with a 99% track record of lying telling people to get them lol!

Lol ok

How come many members of the public knew all this stuff then, (if (as you say); the information wasn't out there?

They knew because they did a tinyyyyy little bit of research before they made their choice."

What are you actually wittering about?

I said 'the public were NOT informed that the vaccines were experimental'. Ever !

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I ended up with type 1 diabetes 3 weeks after my 2nd jag

Correlation is not causation."

Bingo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who suffered, and their families should be compensated.. the rest of us benefited from being vaccinated and stopped more deaths etc, but those who suffered should be compensated. not gona happen these companys were told they wouldnt have to pay compo, they will get around 100,000 from the tax payer and thats it

Yes I read that too, but I suspect it might change given the public opinion, I do hope so for those affected.. the rest of us would do well to count our blessings that we were prevented from catching itit wont change, it was well known when they were doing the jabs, u get vaxxed you take your chances just like those who didnt take it took there chances

‘Safe and effective’

If everyone knew the risks the uptake would’ve been much lower, let’s be honest.

HAHAHA

What's so funny? It's true..

They WERE informed. Gates himself is on record saying that the side-effects would be seen two to three years down the line.

People were informed the 'risk' was something like 0.2%... Same as a cold lol.

You REALLY think those moronic (omicron) idiots would have listened to ANY kind of sound advice... EVER?

Show me just one piece of evidence that the public were told by the Government or UK media or by the likes of Whitty and Vallance that the vaccine was 'experimental'.

I can't share valid links on here but nice try to get me removed!

We're talking about manufacturers with the biggest fraud cases in history to their names who made these 'medications' and politicans with a 99% track record of lying telling people to get them lol!

Lol ok

How come many members of the public knew all this stuff then, (if (as you say); the information wasn't out there?

They knew because they did a tinyyyyy little bit of research before they made their choice.

What are you actually wittering about?

I said 'the public were NOT informed that the vaccines were experimental'. Ever !"

Well I was told and knew they were. Maybe the public didn't listen.

Maybe they listened to the wrong people? (Camel cigarettes are goooood for you).

Either way it's their fault.

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS over a year ago

Lanson

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory.....

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory....."

And yet there were plenty of people on here advocating the removal from society those who used that option to not have the jabs. These people on here were vociferous in their calls for unvaccinated to lose their jobs, be excluded from public places, not be able to use public transport etc. I even saw some talk about “rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps”. Some of those posters are still active in here today.

It was absolutely disgusting behaviour and revealed the true nature of many.

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By *ikeybr0 OP Man over a year ago

Newport

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory.....

It was absolutely disgusting behaviour and revealed the true nature of many."

How many people are still on others’ block lists because they declined a vaccination I wonder.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory....."

No. Wrong. For some they had to have them or lose jobs. Ignorance is bliss mind.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory.....

It was absolutely disgusting behaviour and revealed the true nature of many."

Fear does strange things to people.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory.....

It was absolutely disgusting behaviour and revealed the true nature of many.

Fear does strange things to people."

The whole thing was fascinating to watch. I studied 20th Century history. One of THE questions often asked is how the German people allowed the rise of the Nazis and enabled/allowed their treatment of Jews, Gypsies, and the disabled.

When you witness what 12 months of a pandemic did to the psyche of seemingly rationale (and as swingers supposedly tolerant/liberal) people, it is actually increasingly easy to understand. Human beings are pack animals that are easily manipulated and led and only a hairs breadth away from becoming psychotic assholes!

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory....."

Hmmm, just consider - if I have (mandatory) training to do to be compliant and to keep my job, this IS the same as I have to have a vaccine to keep my job ie mandatory ie obligatory.

This, fortunately, was for a short period of time. The long and short of it, you're wrong. If you state differently, it's semantics. The vaccine could not be enforced but here's your P45.

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By *melie LALWoman over a year ago

Peterborough

Forgetting that pretty much all medicines/vaccines have side effects/risks

The jabs were still optional - never obligatory.....

It was absolutely disgusting behaviour and revealed the true nature of many."

That must have been during one of my breaks from here, thankfully.

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By *esthetic21Man over a year ago

Birmingham/Bristol

"If these families are successful it looks as though it could open the door to many other families getting adequate compensation for vaccine injuries, in all honesty the £120k on offer from U.K. government is nowhere near enough to support 30 odd year olds with life changing conditions.