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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes its wise enough as the economy has to move and they need to get busineses back up and running. As long as they still keep theit social distances. It could be years before a vacine is found.yes its difficult but we have to.move on |
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Depends entirely on the situation in any particular country. Are Ireland and the UK ready to reopen? Course not, things are improving but we're not at that point yet. The US is still hitting huge numbers of deaths and the White House has doubled their previous estimates of death because states are reopening too quickly.
Patience and caution are the only things that will prevent more deaths and a second lockdown. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
Yes, there could potentially be more deaths in the long run if a country's economy tanks too far and also deaths from mental health issues, lack of access to healthcare and from other problems such as domestic violence.
Plus we are already seeing social unrest and protest amongst citizens in Germany, Italy and Spain. |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
Masked and Distant |
Social distancing and hand washing will keep the virus infections to manageable levels. So that test track and trace can be used.
The country needs to get back working before people decide to do their own thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I live in Norway, people here have followed the advice, they went hard and early with a lockdown, and life is slowly returning back to normal. Schools are open, nurseries are open, and the world is still turning |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The "easing" of the lockdown in Spain and Italy still leaves it stricter than ours ever was. Such as exercise at different times for different ages limited to one or two hours. Face masks compulsory in some countries. We have had it soft compared to some.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some countries are showing signs of easing their lockdowns.
With no vaccine in sight as yet, do you believe this is a wise move or not?
Let the discussion begin
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They are easing their lock downs but will still have far more restrictions than we currently have. People believe what they want to believe, sadly, and will use this as an excuse to say the pubs should be opened etc. |
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By *arvest 84Man
over a year ago
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yes,
we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"yes,
we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on. "
Life can't go on if you die. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"yes,
we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on. "
I'm not going to moan at this, but this is a really poor take |
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"yes,
we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on. "
Man up !!!
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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June "
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already "
It's not so much the pubs but the whole socialising thing.
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already "
they will with reduced capacity and possibly table service only no later than July |
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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already they will with reduced capacity and possibly table service only no later than July "
Where do you have that information from? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"yes,
we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on. "
Are you planning to take to the streets or is this just some libertarian fantasy you are having? |
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already they will with reduced capacity and possibly table service only no later than July
Where do you have that information from? "
you will see this Sunday when boris releases the time table to ending lockdown |
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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already they will with reduced capacity and possibly table service only no later than July
Where do you have that information from? you will see this Sunday when boris releases the time table to ending lockdown "
And you think lockdown as it is will end Sunday/Monday? Watch this space! |
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already they will with reduced capacity and possibly table service only no later than July
Where do you have that information from? you will see this Sunday when boris releases the time table to ending lockdown
And you think lockdown as it is will end Sunday/Monday? Watch this space!"
I think they will lift certain restrictions. |
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already they will with reduced capacity and possibly table service only no later than July
Where do you have that information from? you will see this Sunday when boris releases the time table to ending lockdown
And you think lockdown as it is will end Sunday/Monday? Watch this space!"
I didn't say it would end Sunday I said he is releasing the time table on Sunday |
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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
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"I think we need another 3 weeks or so before relaxing anything else, we have to be sure that the numbers of deaths and infections continue to decline "
We don’t know of course but it looks like another 3 weeks lockdown before the 1st lifting of restrictions. Let’s not forget also that there are 1.4 ‘shielded’ people who have at least 6 more weeks of their 12 to go. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think we need another 3 weeks or so before relaxing anything else, we have to be sure that the numbers of deaths and infections continue to decline
We don’t know of course but it looks like another 3 weeks lockdown before the 1st lifting of restrictions. Let’s not forget also that there are 1.4 ‘shielded’ people who have at least 6 more weeks of their 12 to go. "
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Plus we are already seeing social unrest and protest amongst citizens in Germany, Italy and Spain.
We are?"
Yes, there's been vocal criticism in Spain and in Germany cops have been pelted with rocks |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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To get people back to work so the economy improved they need pupils back to school - phased or otherwise. There won’t be any social distancing there.
It’s inevitable that restrictions will be relaxed. Time will tell whether it was right to do it now or not. |
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By *ebwizMan
over a year ago
Clevedon |
"yes,
we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on. "
really I despair of some of the mentality on here. Yes I lost family to it and a friends wife was pretty sick from it but thankfully getting better. Maybe it would have helped if I told or tell them to man up. Class act. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Plus we are already seeing social unrest and protest amongst citizens in Germany, Italy and Spain.
We are?
Yes, there's been vocal criticism in Spain and in Germany cops have been pelted with rocks"
Do you have links to articles? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Government can only afford this for a few months after that no choice things will start easing this Sunday with pubs reopening later in the summer probably late June
Zero chance of pubs reopening in late June! Late December more likely unless we want wave 2 in July. What's so important about pubs anyway? Lives must be saved - that's all that realistically matters . We've lost far to many already they will with reduced capacity and possibly table service only no later than July
Where do you have that information from? you will see this Sunday when boris releases the time table to ending lockdown "
i cant see any restrictions being lifted. until at least the end of may.only reason they gina have boris wheeled iut sunday is its 3weeks since they told us they wasnt easing restrictions by law they have to look at it every three weeks.as for pubs u be lucky to be able to go for q pint this side of summer.they wont make enough money to keep the lights on let alone pay staff with the estrictions there gona have on them |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?"
Oh but it’s not about them, it’s about the economy, they’re being selfless  |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Plus we are already seeing social unrest and protest amongst citizens in Germany, Italy and Spain.
We are?
Yes, there's been vocal criticism in Spain and in Germany cops have been pelted with rocks
Do you have links to articles?"
Here's one.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/germany-police-attacked-coronavirus-social-distancing |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?"
Some of us are not earning now and fallen thru the governments assistance. Some people working for the civil service for example have reasonably safe jobs whereas others may lose their livelihoods. I am not belittling the people suffering from the effects of the virus but at some point we need to work. Especially as the virus seems to be going nowhere.
I'm sorry if this upsets people |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
Oh but it’s not about them, it’s about the economy, they’re being selfless "
The economy does need to be considered, at some point it's possible that more people will die as a result of austerity/poverty/mental health/social issues/denial of healthcare etc than from corona. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Plus we are already seeing social unrest and protest amongst citizens in Germany, Italy and Spain.
We are?
Yes, there's been vocal criticism in Spain and in Germany cops have been pelted with rocks
Do you have links to articles?
Here's one.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/germany-police-attacked-coronavirus-social-distancing"
Anything since 12th April because that seems like an isolated incident? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
Oh but it’s not about them, it’s about the economy, they’re being selfless
The economy does need to be considered, at some point it's possible that more people will die as a result of austerity/poverty/mental health/social issues/denial of healthcare etc than from corona."
It’s always good to remember at times like these that austerity was an ideological choice, not an inevitability.
I agree that the economy will have to get back on track somehow but what I disagree with is people who say just because we are opening some workplaces we should open pubs and the like too. |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
Oh but it’s not about them, it’s about the economy, they’re being selfless
The economy does need to be considered, at some point it's possible that more people will die as a result of austerity/poverty/mental health/social issues/denial of healthcare etc than from corona.
It’s always good to remember at times like these that austerity was an ideological choice, not an inevitability.
I agree that the economy will have to get back on track somehow but what I disagree with is people who say just because we are opening some workplaces we should open pubs and the like too."
people's opinions can't open anything that is down to the government people can choose whether or not they are prepared to use businesses that are given permission to open |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?"
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People read too much into other people's opinions its the government that decide and like it or not money will play a big part in when businesses are allowed to reopen whether they factories gyms or pubs and restaurants but being confined to the house won't last much longer small outside gatherings will be allowed sooner rather than later as will family reunions where no vulnerable people are involved |
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There's still an unknown level of infection amongst the people here. We should test enough of the public randomly, to get a solid understanding of how bad or good things are. Only really from that point should we be able to decide when and what are our steps to progress.
Statistical power should decide the minimum amount of people to be randomly tested in the country, with representative samples used. It's probably a low number of thousands. We'd also start to see more clearly where we'd need to focus our attention and resources, via repeated testing of representative samples.
There are different costs of keeping the lockdown per week, if we remain closed or have to have further periods of successive lockdowns. |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
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So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
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So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice. "
There are people who want football to start up again, maybe we should get on that as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The article was from Fox News who are complete liars. They have also contributed to the US death toll by insisting for months the virus was just the flu, they even had a on screen counter saying it's killed 0 Americans and down playing it. They have blood on their hands as does the twat in the White House. Plus no NHS system and you get the worst outbreak of anywhere.
The economy is severely screwed now that's going to happen regardless now.
We can rebuild an economy later, we can't rebuild loved ones.
High time we put people before money for a change.
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
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So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice. "
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ... |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
1%
So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ... "
Then imagine a virus with no cure killing people on top of those deaths. If we open up too soon it will spread again and we'll run out of hospital beds. |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
1%
So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ... "
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
1%
So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ... "
Well in that case, what are we worrying about.
(Said in the voice of Basil Faulty)
Lets all stop being silly by staying indoors, as that amount of people die every year. Splendid!
Lets stop all of this social distancing, as you claim that amount of people die every year. So what do we need to worry about.
After all we only have to worry about the economy!!! |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"Some countries are showing signs of easing their lockdowns.
With no vaccine in sight as yet, do you believe this is a wise move or not?
Let the discussion begin
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There may never be a vaccine |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
1%
So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ... "
Can you avoid getting cancer by socially isolating? |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
"yes,
we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on.
Life can't go on if you die."
There are reports of it have a less than 0.4% rate. The odds are good that you won't die |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
1%
So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ...
Can you avoid getting cancer by socially isolating?"
You can get HPV, which can develop into cancer. You can get it through oral sex, full sex. It can lead to throat cancer, cancer of the ovaries, etc.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
We have to find a balance,we need an economy because otherwise the country will have know NHS,no state pensions no dole etc.This is so hard the government is damned whatever it does,but we have to have some normality otherwise deaths through cancer,diabetes,heart problems etc will rise and covid deaths will be a drop in the ocean.
I would not like to have to make these decisions and sympathise with the people that do. |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
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So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ...
Can you avoid getting cancer by socially isolating?
You can get HPV, which can develop into cancer. You can get it through oral sex, full sex. It can lead to throat cancer, cancer of the ovaries, etc.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible. "
I know that some cancers can develop from things like that but that wasn’t what the question was getting at.
What I mean is would socially isolating yourself give you the same safety from cancer as it does from Covid 19? |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?"
Let me ask you how many people you are prepared to see lose their jobs. 1 million, 2 million, 5 million? Do you realise that high unemployment figures lead to more health problems ans earlier deaths? |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
Let me ask you how many people you are prepared to see lose their jobs. 1 million, 2 million, 5 million? Do you realise that high unemployment figures lead to more health problems ans earlier deaths? "
The gmnt had that well in hand pre covid! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
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So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ...
Can you avoid getting cancer by socially isolating?
You can get HPV, which can develop into cancer. You can get it through oral sex, full sex. It can lead to throat cancer, cancer of the ovaries, etc.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible.
I know that some cancers can develop from things like that but that wasn’t what the question was getting at.
What I mean is would socially isolating yourself give you the same safety from cancer as it does from Covid 19?"
Cancer isn't contagious and can be treated through early detection. If we don't keep lockdown in place at least it until the end of May, you wouldn't want cancer and the virus as that will significantly worsen your chances of survival. Now think of that on a country wide scale it could be 450+ more preventable deaths a day. We have lost 29,000 people and counting. We can't be complacent about this. How many people have to die before people finally reliase or care that this is the biggest emergency since WW2. |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
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So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ...
Can you avoid getting cancer by socially isolating?
You can get HPV, which can develop into cancer. You can get it through oral sex, full sex. It can lead to throat cancer, cancer of the ovaries, etc.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible.
I know that some cancers can develop from things like that but that wasn’t what the question was getting at.
What I mean is would socially isolating yourself give you the same safety from cancer as it does from Covid 19?
Cancer isn't contagious and can be treated through early detection. If we don't keep lockdown in place at least it until the end of May, you wouldn't want cancer and the virus as that will significantly worsen your chances of survival. Now think of that on a country wide scale it could be 450+ more preventable deaths a day. We have lost 29,000 people and counting. We can't be complacent about this. How many people have to die before people finally reliase or care that this is the biggest emergency since WW2. "
this is up to the government not individuals we can argue all day but this weekend the government is releasing its plan to reopen the economy some of which will start straight after the weekend |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
1%
So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ...
Can you avoid getting cancer by socially isolating?
You can get HPV, which can develop into cancer. You can get it through oral sex, full sex. It can lead to throat cancer, cancer of the ovaries, etc.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible.
I know that some cancers can develop from things like that but that wasn’t what the question was getting at.
What I mean is would socially isolating yourself give you the same safety from cancer as it does from Covid 19?"
and that answer showed that for some cancers yes it could ... I never suggested that social distancing could stop cancers just that some are preventable - you could outright ban smoking - or fast food. There are other ways that put restrictions on people ... and just like you can choose not to smoke going forwards you can choose not to go out ... not to go to pubs ... not to go on meets .. |
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By *hrobberMan
over a year ago
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Best thing people is believe who you want to believe personally I'll keep the social distancing keep the hand gel and mask if necessary its every person for themselves . It's worked for me so far |
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Any relaxation in the lockdown has to be gradual. Mainly so if any particular action causes a spike in infections we can lock it back down again. Garden centres will be open soon, possibly the weekend. As some said before have been told golf courses possibly 3 weeks. Pubs are working on opening in September but people i know working in the industry and not overly optimistic about them opening then. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
Oh but it’s not about them, it’s about the economy, they’re being selfless
The economy does need to be considered, at some point it's possible that more people will die as a result of austerity/poverty/mental health/social issues/denial of healthcare etc than from corona.
It’s always good to remember at times like these that austerity was an ideological choice, not an inevitability.
I agree that the economy will have to get back on track somehow but what I disagree with is people who say just because we are opening some workplaces we should open pubs and the like too."
True, the ability to mitigate the risk of infection does determine which businesses and industries could reopen soonest and to what extent. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Plus we are already seeing social unrest and protest amongst citizens in Germany, Italy and Spain.
We are?
Yes, there's been vocal criticism in Spain and in Germany cops have been pelted with rocks
Do you have links to articles?
Here's one.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/germany-police-attacked-coronavirus-social-distancing
Anything since 12th April because that seems like an isolated incident?"
To be honest, I've not really searched actively for news from other countries so it could be.
I do know that people have become more vocal about wanting restrictions eased. |
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Lockdown will end when the government has all the track/trace and control measures in place. They have all the excuses now to do it, it will stay in place forever the new normal or new order? |
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"for those people who want everything lifted... lets me ask you the question dr. fauci asked yesterday in a tv interview...
"how much death and suffering are you prepared to accept to get back to the normal you want""
interesting to see how callous some of you would be?
1%
So you'd be prepared to let between 500,000 to 650,000 people die, just so you could go to the pub? Nice.
no not so I can go to the pub (I don’t drink) but so we can get the economy moving again.
At least this many people die on a yearly basis anyway - it’s possible this will lead to more, time will tell - people die of things every single day (cancer alone accounts on average for 450 a day - some of these preventable) does it suck - yes of cause - but that does not mean you cripple the rest of the country for too long ...
Can you avoid getting cancer by socially isolating?
You can get HPV, which can develop into cancer. You can get it through oral sex, full sex. It can lead to throat cancer, cancer of the ovaries, etc.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible.
I know that some cancers can develop from things like that but that wasn’t what the question was getting at.
What I mean is would socially isolating yourself give you the same safety from cancer as it does from Covid 19? and that answer showed that for some cancers yes it could ... I never suggested that social distancing could stop cancers just that some are preventable - you could outright ban smoking - or fast food. There are other ways that put restrictions on people ... and just like you can choose not to smoke going forwards you can choose not to go out ... not to go to pubs ... not to go on meets .."
You used cancer as a comparison though, which was foolish. If you could prevent cancer through social distancing then we'd have been socially distancing since we found out. At least 30% of cancers are just sheer bad luck though, and another 30% are genetic. Cancer simply isn't comparable to Covid 19 as there's no simple way to stop yourself getting it.
The problem we have is that Covid 19 is novel, we don't know enough about it to make any real pronouncements. Normally healthy people are dying from it when some 100 year olds are living. People can seem to be on the mend and two hours later they are on a ventilator or dead.
You cannot take calculated risks about something we don't have enough knowledge about. |
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"Plus we are already seeing social unrest and protest amongst citizens in Germany, Italy and Spain.
We are?
Yes, there's been vocal criticism in Spain and in Germany cops have been pelted with rocks
Do you have links to articles?
Here's one.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/germany-police-attacked-coronavirus-social-distancing
Anything since 12th April because that seems like an isolated incident?
To be honest, I've not really searched actively for news from other countries so it could be.
I do know that people have become more vocal about wanting restrictions eased."
I couldn't find any, just so you know.
There will always be people who are vocal, there are people who believe the world is flat after all. |
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I think we need to relax the lockdown .. not to be so strict on who goes out etc .. sounds a bit mean but it should really then be up to the individual .. if you are at risk .. stay home and if you aren't you can go out for more than an hour a day ..
Don't open pubs, restaurants, cinemas, cafes, etc and all businesses, etc need to be on 24hr a day working 2 shift patterns days/nights .. create double the work of course and need 24 hr public transport etc .. but social distancing is then possible.. buildings are only 50% full at any time .. anyone who can work from home needs to keep doing this for a bit longer.
Mums and dads need to plan how they work to make sure children are still cared for .. schools should go back in September .. and after all this ends nothing should be the same as it was as far as home/worklife balance etc ..
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
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" Normally healthy people are dying from it when some 100 year olds are living. People can seem to be on the mend and two hours later they are on a ventilator or dead.
You cannot take calculated risks about something we don't have enough knowledge about."
How many - let's say under 50 year old people have died of covid-19 in the UK? |
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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago
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Well in the Scottish briefing Nicola S said they are less badly affected than the rest of uk but don’t expect to lessen restrictions within the next 3 weeks, but are looking at how to get folk to work and school and limited socialising in June.
So don’t expect Boris to lessen things off just yet, unless he chooses to ignore “the science” in favour of the economy. |
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" How many - let's say under 50 year old people have died of covid-19 in the UK? "
I can’t find statistics for under 50s in particular but up until April 24th there were 3,357 deaths of people under 65, that’s about 12.25% of all deaths up to that point in England and Wales. |
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Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
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We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now."
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then."
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom .. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then."
Did we say that it wasnt possible?
Some people on this site honestly. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now."
What about the next time you get it. You may not be so lucky. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
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They won't get a transplant if there is no economy left to pay for the NHS. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
What about the next time you get it. You may not be so lucky."
Next time? |
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"Well in the Scottish briefing Nicola S said they are less badly affected than the rest of uk but don’t expect to lessen restrictions within the next 3 weeks, but are looking at how to get folk to work and school and limited socialising in June.
So don’t expect Boris to lessen things off just yet, unless he chooses to ignore “the science” in favour of the economy. "
I agree. I think it scared him being ill. He wants as few people as possible to have to go through the same thing so he will be cautious. I'm hoping for another 3 weeks 'lockdown' and then start gradually opening it up after that. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom .. "
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends."
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom .. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom .. "
It really is all doom and gloom in here.
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom .. "
It is for more than 30,000 people and their family and friends but then I suppose "you're alright Jack". |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for more than 30,000 people and their family and friends but then I suppose "you're alright Jack"."
Not just me but also the other 99.96% of the population who haven’t died from it either |
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"Some countries are showing signs of easing their lockdowns.
With no vaccine in sight as yet, do you believe this is a wise move or not?
Let the discussion begin
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It's already over road's are really busy load's of people acting like nothing has happened. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for more than 30,000 people and their family and friends but then I suppose "you're alright Jack".
Not just me but also the other 99.96% of the population who haven’t died from it either "
When people say the holocaust could never happen these days I'll show them your responses so they can see exactly why it could. |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for more than 30,000 people and their family and friends but then I suppose "you're alright Jack".
Not just me but also the other 99.96% of the population who haven’t died from it either
When people say the holocaust could never happen these days I'll show them your responses so they can see exactly why it could."
Ah the good old nazi / holocaust go to .. just another day on the internet then ...
I’m making the exact same point of you from the other perspective it is not all doom and gloom and just because for some it is sad times we don’t need to focus wholly on that ... a lot more people should be focusing on the positive and looking for ways to get it all moving again ... focusing on the negative and the “doom and gloom” is not going to help anyone. I’ve had my own sad experiences with this in the last couple of months but you gotta keep going forwards! |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for more than 30,000 people and their family and friends but then I suppose "you're alright Jack".
Not just me but also the other 99.96% of the population who haven’t died from it either
When people say the holocaust could never happen these days I'll show them your responses so they can see exactly why it could.
Ah the good old nazi / holocaust go to .. just another day on the internet then ...
I’m making the exact same point of you from the other perspective it is not all doom and gloom and just because for some it is sad times we don’t need to focus wholly on that ... a lot more people should be focusing on the positive and looking for ways to get it all moving again ... focusing on the negative and the “doom and gloom” is not going to help anyone. I’ve had my own sad experiences with this in the last couple of months but you gotta keep going forwards!"
No, you aren't. I'm saying it's a bad thing that 30,000+ people have died, you're saying it's good that 65,000,000 haven't.
There are more than 30,000 people's friends and families who don't get to focus on the positives I'm afraid.
How many would need to die before we stop living in the sunlit uplands where everyone is happy?
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No, you aren't. I'm saying it's a bad thing that 30,000+ people have died, you're saying it's good that 65,000,000 haven't.
There are more than 30,000 people's friends and families who don't get to focus on the positives I'm afraid.
How many would need to die before we stop living in the sunlit uplands where everyone is happy?
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So it’s not a good thing that 65million+ people have not died then ? It’s not a thing to be positive about? Just because some people are going to be sad does not mean we all have to be. There is doom and gloom ... but it’s not all doom and gloom ... not by a long shot .. |
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No, you aren't. I'm saying it's a bad thing that 30,000+ people have died, you're saying it's good that 65,000,000 haven't.
There are more than 30,000 people's friends and families who don't get to focus on the positives I'm afraid.
How many would need to die before we stop living in the sunlit uplands where everyone is happy?
So it’s not a good thing that 65million+ people have not died then ? It’s not a thing to be positive about? Just because some people are going to be sad does not mean we all have to be. There is doom and gloom ... but it’s not all doom and gloom ... not by a long shot .. "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for more than 30,000 people and their family and friends but then I suppose "you're alright Jack".
Not just me but also the other 99.96% of the population who haven’t died from it either "
you are leaning very close to "let all the old and those with pre existing conditions" fend for themselves... cause i am alright!!!
i don't think that is a line you really want to be treading.....
as others have said... easy to say that when its not your family....
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
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No, you aren't. I'm saying it's a bad thing that 30,000+ people have died, you're saying it's good that 65,000,000 haven't.
There are more than 30,000 people's friends and families who don't get to focus on the positives I'm afraid.
How many would need to die before we stop living in the sunlit uplands where everyone is happy?
So it’s not a good thing that 65million+ people have not died then ? It’s not a thing to be positive about? Just because some people are going to be sad does not mean we all have to be. There is doom and gloom ... but it’s not all doom and gloom ... not by a long shot ..
How many dead would it take for you to be sad?"
People die every day, and still will after. Yes, it sad more people have died because of Covid-19 but those people probably would have died at some point weather today, next week or next month if you are in a high risk group. |
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By *obka3Couple
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No, you aren't. I'm saying it's a bad thing that 30,000+ people have died, you're saying it's good that 65,000,000 haven't.
There are more than 30,000 people's friends and families who don't get to focus on the positives I'm afraid.
How many would need to die before we stop living in the sunlit uplands where everyone is happy?
So it’s not a good thing that 65million+ people have not died then ? It’s not a thing to be positive about? Just because some people are going to be sad does not mean we all have to be. There is doom and gloom ... but it’s not all doom and gloom ... not by a long shot ..
How many dead would it take for you to be sad?"
Of course it's very sad, but this virus is not going away, it cant be cured by drugs or a vaccine yet, we can only treat those with it as best as we can and at the same time keep the economy alive to earn the money to pay for that treatment, |
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"Younger people may not die but a lot will be left with life changing organ damage. I know a couple of people both around 40 who thankfully survived but are left with very damaged kidneys. One needs a transplant
We have both had it and we are both perfectly healthy now.
Oh, well that means no one else could possible have a different outcome then.
I mean ... that’s exactly their point. getting it has all sorts of outcomes - the majority still will come out the other side unaffected. It’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for the people who die, and their family and friends.
Luckily that’s the minority of cases so as I said ... it’s not all doom and gloom ..
It is for more than 30,000 people and their family and friends but then I suppose "you're alright Jack".
Not just me but also the other 99.96% of the population who haven’t died from it either
you are leaning very close to "let all the old and those with pre existing conditions" fend for themselves... cause i am alright!!!
i don't think that is a line you really want to be treading.....
as others have said... easy to say that when its not your family....
say that to someone who have lost family and see the reaction you get......."
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Or is he just saying it's not as bad as the doom and gloomers makeout."
because you came out the other side in not bad health... it doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know i have lost 3 people i know so far.... 1 nurse who was treating people who had it... who gave up their lives looking are people as blase as you seem to be!
so this is the question i have been asking people all day since dr fauci asked the question last night..
"who many people are you prepared to let die so you can get back to your normal"....
put a number on it! I'm interested..... |
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So it’s not a good thing that 65million+ people have not died then ? It’s not a thing to be positive about? Just because some people are going to be sad does not mean we all have to be. There is doom and gloom ... but it’s not all doom and gloom ... not by a long shot ..
How many dead would it take for you to be sad?"
No idea .. I’m certainly not sad about it at the moment .. as I’ve said earlier in the thread, people die every day, that does not make me sad either - it’s all part of being alive - but i will most definitely always see a death rate as low as it currently is during a pandemic situation as a very positive thing.
Even with all deaths that have affected me personally, I don feel sad about them - I miss the people that have gone - but I am happy for the time I had. |
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Or is he just saying it's not as bad as the doom and gloomers makeout.
because you came out the other side in not bad health... it doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know i have lost 3 people i know so far.... 1 nurse who was treating people who had it... who gave up their lives looking are people as blase as you seem to be!
so this is the question i have been asking people all day since dr fauci asked the question last night..
"who many people are you prepared to let die so you can get back to your normal"....
put a number on it! I'm interested....."
I'll turn that question around .
How many peoples lives would you liked to be destroyed because of unemployment and losing their homes.
Before you can say ok let's get back to normal now. |
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So it’s not a good thing that 65million+ people have not died then ? It’s not a thing to be positive about? Just because some people are going to be sad does not mean we all have to be. There is doom and gloom ... but it’s not all doom and gloom ... not by a long shot ..
How many dead would it take for you to be sad?
No idea .. I’m certainly not sad about it at the moment .. as I’ve said earlier in the thread, people die every day, that does not make me sad either - it’s all part of being alive - but i will most definitely always see a death rate as low as it currently is during a pandemic situation as a very positive thing.
Even with all deaths that have affected me personally, I don feel sad about them - I miss the people that have gone - but I am happy for the time I had. "
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Or is he just saying it's not as bad as the doom and gloomers makeout.
because you came out the other side in not bad health... it doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know i have lost 3 people i know so far.... 1 nurse who was treating people who had it... who gave up their lives looking are people as blase as you seem to be!
so this is the question i have been asking people all day since dr fauci asked the question last night..
"who many people are you prepared to let die so you can get back to your normal"....
put a number on it! I'm interested....."
How many peoples lifes do you want destroyed from suicides, increase in domestic abuse, hunger, homeless so you can stay in lock down and feel safe?
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So it’s not a good thing that 65million+ people have not died then ? It’s not a thing to be positive about? Just because some people are going to be sad does not mean we all have to be. There is doom and gloom ... but it’s not all doom and gloom ... not by a long shot ..
How many dead would it take for you to be sad?
No idea .. I’m certainly not sad about it at the moment .. as I’ve said earlier in the thread, people die every day, that does not make me sad either - it’s all part of being alive - but i will most definitely always see a death rate as low as it currently is during a pandemic situation as a very positive thing.
Even with all deaths that have affected me personally, I don feel sad about them - I miss the people that have gone - but I am happy for the time I had. "
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Or is he just saying it's not as bad as the doom and gloomers makeout.
because you came out the other side in not bad health... it doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know i have lost 3 people i know so far.... 1 nurse who was treating people who had it... who gave up their lives looking are people as blase as you seem to be!
so this is the question i have been asking people all day since dr fauci asked the question last night..
"who many people are you prepared to let die so you can get back to your normal"....
put a number on it! I'm interested.....
How many peoples lifes do you want destroyed from suicides, increase in domestic abuse, hunger, homeless so you can stay in lock down and feel safe?
Put a number on it"
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Or is he just saying it's not as bad as the doom and gloomers makeout.
because you came out the other side in not bad health... it doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know i have lost 3 people i know so far.... 1 nurse who was treating people who had it... who gave up their lives looking are people as blase as you seem to be!
so this is the question i have been asking people all day since dr fauci asked the question last night..
"who many people are you prepared to let die so you can get back to your normal"....
put a number on it! I'm interested.....
How many peoples lifes do you want destroyed from suicides, increase in domestic abuse, hunger, homeless so you can stay in lock down and feel safe?
Put a number on it"
i'd rather be overly cautious than overly gun ho.....
you show me where those numbers those numbers are higher than the covid death numbers at the rate they are and i'll then consider changing my opinion...
so go on.... put a number on those you are prepared to in effect cull..... |
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Or is he just saying it's not as bad as the doom and gloomers makeout.
because you came out the other side in not bad health... it doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know i have lost 3 people i know so far.... 1 nurse who was treating people who had it... who gave up their lives looking are people as blase as you seem to be!
so this is the question i have been asking people all day since dr fauci asked the question last night..
"who many people are you prepared to let die so you can get back to your normal"....
put a number on it! I'm interested.....
How many peoples lifes do you want destroyed from suicides, increase in domestic abuse, hunger, homeless so you can stay in lock down and feel safe?
Put a number on it
I'm sure he will after you've answered his question."
He didnt ask me a question.
He was asking someone else.
I'll answer it though... which ever figure will be the lowest out of the 2 scenarios.
I truly believe more lifes will be destroyed and/or suffering world wide from having the world shut down then what would come from covid.
Its that simple really.
Both will cause huge suffering and its about choosing the one which will cause least.
And i think overall the closing down worlds econmy will cause more suffering on a global scale.
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Or is he just saying it's not as bad as the doom and gloomers makeout.
because you came out the other side in not bad health... it doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know i have lost 3 people i know so far.... 1 nurse who was treating people who had it... who gave up their lives looking are people as blase as you seem to be!
so this is the question i have been asking people all day since dr fauci asked the question last night..
"who many people are you prepared to let die so you can get back to your normal"....
put a number on it! I'm interested.....
How many peoples lifes do you want destroyed from suicides, increase in domestic abuse, hunger, homeless so you can stay in lock down and feel safe?
Put a number on it
I'm sure he will after you've answered his question.
He didnt ask me a question.
He was asking someone else.
I'll answer it though... which ever figure will be the lowest out of the 2 scenarios.
I truly believe more lifes will be destroyed and/or suffering world wide from having the world shut down then what would come from covid.
Its that simple really.
Both will cause huge suffering and its about choosing the one which will cause least.
And i think overall the closing down worlds econmy will cause more suffering on a global scale.
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we cant live in lockdown for evermore, the country will go bankrupt and there will be social unrest,
i am afraid that we will soon just have to man up and get on with it, we cant social distance for evermoor it just wont work.
i know there will be people moaning at this post, but what else are you going to do , sit in house for the rest of your life ??? to afraid to go out and shit yourself when you meet someone down the street . , sorry folks, but life must go on.
Life can't go on if you die."
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By *xycpl699Couple
over a year ago
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"I’d be quite happy for them to leave it as is, tbh. "
would you Why ? I wouldn't it's bad for my mental health I worry what lock down is doing to our kids I have a 4yr old grandson who can repeat the stay safe advert brain washing kids time to let them out. Hollie
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It's funny to see the right wingers are the ones who all of a sudden care about mental health and poor people now that corona has shut down the economy, these are the same people that dont give a shite 99% of the time and would happily cut services to those in need to save a few pennies on their taxes.
Anyone supporting the right who's crying crocodile tears about mental health now and claiming to worry about the unemployed are disingenuous sociopaths. They didnt care about the vulnerable before, they dont care now. And they are quite happy to see people die in the tens of thousands as long as they get what they want.
And the point they try and make about more people dying because of lockdown than of the virus is exactly as ridiculous and false as you'd expect. 42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early. |
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"It's funny to see the right wingers are the ones who all of a sudden care about mental health and poor people now that corona has shut down the economy, these are the same people that dont give a shite 99% of the time and would happily cut services to those in need to save a few pennies on their taxes.
Anyone supporting the right who's crying crocodile tears about mental health now and claiming to worry about the unemployed are disingenuous sociopaths. They didnt care about the vulnerable before, they dont care now. And they are quite happy to see people die in the tens of thousands as long as they get what they want.
And the point they try and make about more people dying because of lockdown than of the virus is exactly as ridiculous and false as you'd expect. 42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early."
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"It's funny to see the right wingers are the ones who all of a sudden care about mental health and poor people now that corona has shut down the economy, these are the same people that dont give a shite 99% of the time and would happily cut services to those in need to save a few pennies on their taxes.
Anyone supporting the right who's crying crocodile tears about mental health now and claiming to worry about the unemployed are disingenuous sociopaths. They didnt care about the vulnerable before, they dont care now. And they are quite happy to see people die in the tens of thousands as long as they get what they want.
And the point they try and make about more people dying because of lockdown than of the virus is exactly as ridiculous and false as you'd expect. 42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early."
Your staticts mabey correct, but unfortunately unless some radical and overwhelming changes are made to our government i can't see any u-turn happening soon.
Just need to accept the government and experts decision when it happens and get on with it. |
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Walk our dog every morning at first hardly saw a car at all on an hours walk yesterday the traffic was virtually back to normal levels more and more people will start gong out and unless they are prepared to put lots of police on the streets how can they stop people. Lock down will fade away rather than be lifted by the government |
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We have never been in total lockdown.
Spain Italy and France were much stricter than we are at moment.
Too many people are on the roads at moment. I’m getting buses to work and people still using them when not essential travel. People seem to think a trip to the seaside or a visit to the lakes etc is essential travel. Lots of people out at weekends or sunny weather too.
A lot of people can work from home depending on their jobs.
Pubs will be one of the last places to reopen.
I will be very surprised if any restrictions are lifted till end of May. They should of been tighter at the beginning of lockdown. |
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"We have never been in total lockdown.
Spain Italy and France were much stricter than we are at moment.
Too many people are on the roads at moment. I’m getting buses to work and people still using them when not essential travel. People seem to think a trip to the seaside or a visit to the lakes etc is essential travel. Lots of people out at weekends or sunny weather too.
A lot of people can work from home depending on their jobs.
Pubs will be one of the last places to reopen.
I will be very surprised if any restrictions are lifted till end of May. They should of been tighter at the beginning of lockdown. "
roads are busier everywhere in our home town most businesses have opened back up so lots more people travelling to and from work including more folks using public transport |
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"It's funny to see the right wingers are the ones who all of a sudden care about mental health and poor people now that corona has shut down the economy, these are the same people that dont give a shite 99% of the time and would happily cut services to those in need to save a few pennies on their taxes.
Anyone supporting the right who's crying crocodile tears about mental health now and claiming to worry about the unemployed are disingenuous sociopaths. They didnt care about the vulnerable before, they dont care now. And they are quite happy to see people die in the tens of thousands as long as they get what they want.
And the point they try and make about more people dying because of lockdown than of the virus is exactly as ridiculous and false as you'd expect. 42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early."
So much assumption in your post.
How do you know whos "right wing" or not?
How do you know these people didn't care about people with mental health or the poor?
How do you know they don't "give a shit 99% of the time and are happy for services to be cut to save pennys"?
How do you know these people are "disingenuous sociopaths"
Stop assuming what people are and what people arnt just because their view is different than yours and can see the damage from having the world locked down will result in more overal suffering than the actualy covid virus.
What i find "disengenious" is people that say every human life matters, so we need to stay in lock down to safe lifes, and yet they are only looking at the UK.
There is many country's (especially the poorer country's) that don't have furlough schemes in place, so getting zero income whilst in lock down.
The overall deaths/suffering GLOBALLY will be far more worse than the virus.
Or is it a case of "im alright jack" (for the UK) but fuck the rest of the world.
The very same thing you are accusing the people that want to end lock down of...
"Your healthy,your fine but think of the elderly, your selfish youre going to kill people ...ect ect"
Well reverse psychology will say the ones that want lock down to continue just because your doing ok on furlough or with savimgs are the selfish ones because if EVERY LIFE MATTERS that means every single living human being not just those in the UK.
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over a year ago
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"Walk our dog every morning at first hardly saw a car at all on an hours walk yesterday the traffic was virtually back to normal levels more and more people will start gong out and unless they are prepared to put lots of police on the streets how can they stop people. Lock down will fade away rather than be lifted by the government "
Lots of people returned to work this week, slowly easing us out more and more is the best course of action and we can learn how to live with covid-19 |
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Or is it a case of "im alright jack" (for the UK) but fuck the rest of the world.
The very same thing you are accusing the people that want to end lock down of...
"Your healthy,your fine but think of the elderly, your selfish youre going to kill people ...ect ect"
Well reverse psychology will say the ones that want lock down to continue just because your doing ok on furlough or with savimgs are the selfish ones because if EVERY LIFE MATTERS that means every single living human being not just those in the UK.
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I want the restrictions eased when it sensible to do it. I was redeployed and now going to work looking after the elderly. Have to get a bus as live in the opposite side to where I work.
I’m also classed as vulnerable as I have underlying health issues.
Every life does matter but if it eases too soon there will be a lot less lives. Unless vaccine comes sooner than later then it’s a different story.
Spain and Italy have just allowed people out recently for exercise. They seemed to be able to handle it much easier than we are. Also the French are coping with lockdown better and not heard of much trouble over there. How often do they have people striking normally when life goes on normally.
But people have different views and opinions and unless it happens to someone you know or even worse a loved one then some people will not take how serious this can effect them. |
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"It's funny to see the right wingers are the ones who all of a sudden care about mental health and poor people now that corona has shut down the economy, these are the same people that dont give a shite 99% of the time and would happily cut services to those in need to save a few pennies on their taxes.
Anyone supporting the right who's crying crocodile tears about mental health now and claiming to worry about the unemployed are disingenuous sociopaths. They didnt care about the vulnerable before, they dont care now. And they are quite happy to see people die in the tens of thousands as long as they get what they want.
And the point they try and make about more people dying because of lockdown than of the virus is exactly as ridiculous and false as you'd expect. 42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early.
So much assumption in your post.
How do you know whos "right wing" or not?
How do you know these people didn't care about people with mental health or the poor?
How do you know they don't "give a shit 99% of the time and are happy for services to be cut to save pennys"?
How do you know these people are "disingenuous sociopaths"
Stop assuming what people are and what people arnt just because their view is different than yours and can see the damage from having the world locked down will result in more overal suffering than the actualy covid virus.
What i find "disengenious" is people that say every human life matters, so we need to stay in lock down to safe lifes, and yet they are only looking at the UK.
There is many country's (especially the poorer country's) that don't have furlough schemes in place, so getting zero income whilst in lock down.
The overall deaths/suffering GLOBALLY will be far more worse than the virus.
Or is it a case of "im alright jack" (for the UK) but fuck the rest of the world.
The very same thing you are accusing the people that want to end lock down of...
"Your healthy,your fine but think of the elderly, your selfish youre going to kill people ...ect ect"
Well reverse psychology will say the ones that want lock down to continue just because your doing ok on furlough or with savimgs are the selfish ones because if EVERY LIFE MATTERS that means every single living human being not just those in the UK.
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Why are so many people obsessed with a vaccine, do they see it as a silver bullet ? Have they done any research into vaccines ? Lets look at one Vaccine from the swine flu epidemic a few years ago. it was called Pandemrix and manufactured by GSK ( Sir Patrick Vallance was a director of GSK, after the swine flu vaccination, but surely will know about it )Any way this vaccine was given to 6 million people, then withdrawn hastily, due to an upsurge in Narcolepsy throughout Europe, some media called it an epidemic, It has been proven in court that the Narcolepsy was caused by the vaccine, GSK admitted failing to carry out the correct safety checks, all Big Pharma are indemnified against any illness injury or death from there products. Any compensation paid out is paid by the British Government from tax payers money. That's just one snippet about one drug. My philosophy is Vaccines are made for profit and not people. And just remember the people that are selling you the panic, are also selling you the vaccine. |
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"Why are so many people obsessed with a vaccine, do they see it as a silver bullet ? Have they done any research into vaccines ? Lets look at one Vaccine from the swine flu epidemic a few years ago. it was called Pandemrix and manufactured by GSK ( Sir Patrick Vallance was a director of GSK, after the swine flu vaccination, but surely will know about it )Any way this vaccine was given to 6 million people, then withdrawn hastily, due to an upsurge in Narcolepsy throughout Europe, some media called it an epidemic, It has been proven in court that the Narcolepsy was caused by the vaccine, GSK admitted failing to carry out the correct safety checks, all Big Pharma are indemnified against any illness injury or death from there products. Any compensation paid out is paid by the British Government from tax payers money. That's just one snippet about one drug. My philosophy is Vaccines are made for profit and not people. And just remember the people that are selling you the panic, are also selling you the vaccine. "
Covid has no recognised cure. Can kill anyone from young children to the very old. Someone with lots of health issues to someone fit and healthy. It’s just luck wether you live or die if it hits you hard and you need a ventilator.
Yes people will get wealthy when they find a cure. And unfortunately most medications have some kind of side effect or some people have allergies to what goes in them.
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"42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early."
Hmmm that's a new "fact"
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Live with the virus... thats a joke as it only took a few people to bring it to create this disaster. We need to destroy this virus or our hospitals will never get back to normal capability. |
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"Live with the virus... thats a joke as it only took a few people to bring it to create this disaster. We need to destroy this virus or our hospitals will never get back to normal capability. "
Only one virus has ever been destroyed and that was Smallpox. |
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"Live with the virus... thats a joke as it only took a few people to bring it to create this disaster. We need to destroy this virus or our hospitals will never get back to normal capability.
Only one virus has ever been destroyed and that was Smallpox."
yep and i think the last known case if that was sometine in the 80s only took them a few hundred years.i know peeps are trying to be positive but if they think that this can be wiped out and everyone will be protected in a few months there will be a lot of dissapointment.like someone else said above its something thats gona be around for years so we find a way to live with it being out there or we stay locked indoors for evermore |
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"It's funny to see the right wingers are the ones who all of a sudden care about mental health and poor people now that corona has shut down the economy, these are the same people that dont give a shite 99% of the time and would happily cut services to those in need to save a few pennies on their taxes.
Anyone supporting the right who's crying crocodile tears about mental health now and claiming to worry about the unemployed are disingenuous sociopaths. They didnt care about the vulnerable before, they dont care now. And they are quite happy to see people die in the tens of thousands as long as they get what they want.
And the point they try and make about more people dying because of lockdown than of the virus is exactly as ridiculous and false as you'd expect. 42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early"
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So much assumption in your post.
How do you know whos "right wing" or not?"
Simple, do they support right wing ideas like small government and brexit. Do they support right wing politicians like the Tories or Republicans. Do they care little about strangers dying and do they make up lies and disregard facts. All hallmarks of the right wing.
"How do you know these people didn't care about people with mental health or the poor?"
Because I'm specifically talking about the right wing and conservatives dont care. They whine for decades on end about how expensive and damaging to the economy it is to care about others.
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How do you know they don't "give a shit 99% of the time and are happy for services to be cut to save pennys"?
How do you know these people are "disingenuous sociopaths" "
Because they're conservatives. Cutting services to lower taxes is one of their key beliefs.
"Stop assuming what people are and what people arnt just because their view is different than yours and can see the damage from having the world locked down will result in more overal suffering than the actualy covid virus.
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Remember when I said disingenuous and making up falsehoods was a characteristic of the right? Heres an example right here. You say that the lockdown causes more suffering but there are no facts whatsoever to back this up. 42,000 extra people are dead. And that's just so far. That's 42,000 extra families who had to bury someone. That's far more suffering than the lockdown.
"What i find "disengenious" is people that say every human life matters, so we need to stay in lock down to safe lifes, and yet they are only looking at the UK.
There is many country's (especially the poorer country's) that don't have furlough schemes in place, so getting zero income whilst in lock down.
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No countries income has been reduced to zero. Youre being dishonest again. In fact the IMF has offered over a trillion in funding to help smaller countries.
But again, these are the same countries that right wingers complain about sending foreign aid to every single year. Because again, they dont really care. Not to mention that while the lockdown is hurting their economy having the disease wipe out hundreds of thousands in small economies will devastate them for years in ways that will take decades to recover from.
But dont take my word for it Rabah Arezki, chief economist for the Middle East and North Africa at the World Bank says the exact same.
" The overall deaths/suffering GLOBALLY will be far more worse than the virus"
You've offered no facts or even theories as to why this statement is true. You've just picked it out of your ass. Show me a credible source that says lockdown will result in more deaths globally than the virus. And no one considers alt right "news"sites as credible.
" is it a case of "im alright jack" (for the UK) but fuck the rest of the world.
The very same thing you are accusing the people that want to end lock down of...
"Your healthy,your fine but think of the elderly, your selfish youre going to kill people ...ect ect"
You made up a lie about lockdown causing more deaths and you think that dishonesty gives you the moral high ground? What an alt right thing to do.
" Well reverse psychology will say the ones that want lock down to continue just because your doing ok on furlough or with savimgs are the selfish ones because if EVERY LIFE MATTERS that means every single living human being not just those in the UK.
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That's not what reverse psychology is. Not even close.
Nowhere in your rambling, dribbling right wing rant did you ever use a fact or even a coherent thought. Lockdown doesnt result in more deaths. The absolute basic level of economic facts would show you that mass die offs are bad for an economy in the short and long term.
Now, maybe youre new to being a disingenuous sociopath who will happily advocate for people dying so your not mildly inconvenienced so really theres 2 ways to reply:
1. You've been called out for the fact that you have nothing to back up your argument. No facts, no figures, no history, nothing. Knowing this you can proclaim that debating someone who will use facts is a waste of time and throw your toys out of the pram and say this discussion isnt worth your time anymore. You know,typical right wing stuff.
2. Continue to dig a hole and double down on your nonsense and complain that theres a conspiracy of worldwide leaders, health experts and media who secretly want to damage the economy for unknown reasons and that's why you cant show us any facts from credible resources. You know, typical alt right wing stuff. |
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"Yes its wise enough as the economy has to move and they need to get busineses back up and running. As long as they still keep theit social distances. It could be years before a vacine is found.yes its difficult but we have to.move on "
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over a year ago
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"Why are so many people obsessed with a vaccine, do they see it as a silver bullet ? Have they done any research into vaccines ? Lets look at one Vaccine from the swine flu epidemic a few years ago. it was called Pandemrix and manufactured by GSK ( Sir Patrick Vallance was a director of GSK, after the swine flu vaccination, but surely will know about it )Any way this vaccine was given to 6 million people, then withdrawn hastily, due to an upsurge in Narcolepsy throughout Europe, some media called it an epidemic, It has been proven in court that the Narcolepsy was caused by the vaccine, GSK admitted failing to carry out the correct safety checks, all Big Pharma are indemnified against any illness injury or death from there products. Any compensation paid out is paid by the British Government from tax payers money. That's just one snippet about one drug. My philosophy is Vaccines are made for profit and not people. And just remember the people that are selling you the panic, are also selling you the vaccine.
Covid has no recognised cure. Can kill anyone from young children to the very old. Someone with lots of health issues to someone fit and healthy. It’s just luck wether you live or die if it hits you hard and you need a ventilator.
Yes people will get wealthy when they find a cure. And unfortunately most medications have some kind of side effect or some people have allergies to what goes in them.
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Not quite true. Underlying health issues, age and general fitness (obesity mainly) are very significant factors in survival rates.
For example only around 350 under 45s have passed away, that equates to around 1% of the current total. |
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Vaccine is part of the armoury, will take ages to implement but ultimately it’s really the only weapon. Too many people have opinions on social media, we have to be led by good science, unlike the USA |
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"I thought I'd got into www.fabwhingers.com by mistake!
hepatitis B
herpes
HIV
HPV
All spread by sexual contact and incurable. Does that stop anyone here touching anyone else?  "
No it makes me very cautious, a bit like going to tesco really |
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"Why are so many people obsessed with a vaccine, do they see it as a silver bullet ? Have they done any research into vaccines ? Lets look at one Vaccine from the swine flu epidemic a few years ago. it was called Pandemrix and manufactured by GSK ( Sir Patrick Vallance was a director of GSK, after the swine flu vaccination, but surely will know about it )Any way this vaccine was given to 6 million people, then withdrawn hastily, due to an upsurge in Narcolepsy throughout Europe, some media called it an epidemic, It has been proven in court that the Narcolepsy was caused by the vaccine, GSK admitted failing to carry out the correct safety checks, all Big Pharma are indemnified against any illness injury or death from there products. Any compensation paid out is paid by the British Government from tax payers money. That's just one snippet about one drug. My philosophy is Vaccines are made for profit and not people. And just remember the people that are selling you the panic, are also selling you the vaccine. "
Because a vaccine will save millions of lives. The rest of the world knows that medicines have side effects and sometimes they can be very unfortunate. It's not a surprise to know that a vaccine might cause some problems.
But the pandemrix has not been proven to have caused narcolepsy. The CDC, Stanford University and others say the h1n1 virus is the cause of the increase cases of narcolepsy.
It's also worth noting that the cases of narcolepsy can be measured in the dozens and not millions.
Being anti vax is dumb. |
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"42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early.
Hmmm that's a new "fact"
And the number will ALWAYS increase, you can't reduce a cumulative total"
Hmmm you put fact in quotes. Almost like you're trying to imply it's not true without actually trying to refute it. The figures for excess deaths are coming direct from the NHS.
the cumulative number for EXCESS deaths can only get higher if the virus continues killing more and more people than would normally die. |
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Not read all of it.. but it must be lifting soon as they are planning to start removing the furlonged process. So unless they are planning to let everyone just starve people must be able to to back to work soon |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Not read all of it.. but it must be lifting soon as they are planning to start removing the furlonged process. So unless they are planning to let everyone just starve people must be able to to back to work soon "
my guess is. furlough is till the end of june if u not back at work by then ya will be told to claim jobseekers or whatever its called these days.lets be honest if a lot of places aint open and bringing money in by then they prob not gona open again.my own situation is the firm i working for aint gona survive so a bit of redundancy and sign on |
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"Not read all of it.. but it must be lifting soon as they are planning to start removing the furlonged process. So unless they are planning to let everyone just starve people must be able to to back to work soon
my guess is. furlough is till the end of june if u not back at work by then ya will be told to claim jobseekers or whatever its called these days.lets be honest if a lot of places aint open and bringing money in by then they prob not gona open again.my own situation is the firm i working for aint gona survive so a bit of redundancy and sign on"
I'm in a similar situation I don't think my firm will survive this I'm fully expecting to be finished end of June when furlough finishes |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Not read all of it.. but it must be lifting soon as they are planning to start removing the furlonged process. So unless they are planning to let everyone just starve people must be able to to back to work soon
my guess is. furlough is till the end of june if u not back at work by then ya will be told to claim jobseekers or whatever its called these days.lets be honest if a lot of places aint open and bringing money in by then they prob not gona open again.my own situation is the firm i working for aint gona survive so a bit of redundancy and sign onI'm in a similar situation I don't think my firm will survive this I'm fully expecting to be finished end of June when furlough finishes "
is a bit shit but it is what it is.do i wana lose my job?no not really.can i survive on the dole yea i can done it before may have to do it again not great but shit happens
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By (user no longer on site)
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You'd have thought fabbers would be brave, hardy souls that would be happy to take a bit of a risk and test the waters a bit wouldn't you ?
I mean a lot of us have sex with other people and most vow how careful they are about full swap and using rubbers. So we know how to take responsibility But even so there is a risk of getting STi, many of which kill and are far more debilitating and crippling yet here we are quivering and shaking about a 1% mortality thing. We have become too risk averse. Life is too short and at my age life is going by faster and faster.
The Virus has been subdued and shown to be controlled if we all act responsibly.
Acting responsibly is something most Fabswingers can do. I do miss meeting people for naughty fun but I do see a return to other stuff as slightly more of a priority so will be in no rush to meet.
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A lot of people still pay good money to go on holiday to places where malaria is rife. Malaria has and will continue to kill more people than covid-19 ever will.
Lots of Mr Mainwarings need to be told not to panic so much! |
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"42,000 more people in the UK have died than usual since mid March. And that number will increase if restrictions are lifted too early.
Hmmm that's a new "fact"
And the number will ALWAYS increase, you can't reduce a cumulative total
Hmmm you put fact in quotes. Almost like you're trying to imply it's not true without actually trying to refute it. The figures for excess deaths are coming direct from the NHS.
the cumulative number for EXCESS deaths can only get higher if the virus continues killing more and more people than would normally die."
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"A lot of people still pay good money to go on holiday to places where malaria is rife. Malaria has and will continue to kill more people than covid-19 ever will.
Lots of Mr Mainwarings need to be told not to panic so much! "
In the whole of 2018 there were 405,000 deaths from Malaria. Covid, without lockdown, would be already be close to that number in 5 months.
There are also vaccines and treatments available for malaria so your point is wrong on every level. You might be more Basil Fawlty than anyone else. |
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In my opinion evey country should stay locked down until the last country is ready. This gives an even fair playing field for all.
I don't care if Wuhan is recovered, out of respect they should stay locked down as should Spain Italy and Germany.
Just because they're kicking up a bit of fuss it shouldn't influence us.
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"In my opinion evey country should stay locked down until the last country is ready. This gives an even fair playing field for all.
I don't care if Wuhan is recovered, out of respect they should stay locked down as should Spain Italy and Germany.
Just because they're kicking up a bit of fuss it shouldn't influence us.
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That's stupid. No one in Europe closed down when China did. No one else in Europe closed down when Italy did. Why would anyone stay closed down unnecessarily if they are meeting the criteria to start to reopen. |
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