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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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I've just searched through the meets section; and despite the recent 2010 changes to the equality act it's amazing how many 'clubs' still think they can and continue to over charge single men and to a lesser degree couples!

These venues are service providers and as such cannot differentiate between the sexes re the charges for entry!

They are not private members clubs for the most part as their membership criteria doesn't meet that requirement under the prescribed legislation.

So we'll keep being ripped off!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We don't have to go if we don't want to though, do we?

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Whats the alternative? If you charge the women/coupels same as the men, they'll stop coming and there won't be any women or couples. If you lower the price then more single men will go, which then puts off the women and couples and there won't be any. Either way, the men will pay and still not get a shag.

Supply and demand. The clubs charge what they think the market can stand. And to be honest, I am pretty sure they can charge what they like. I am sure some spoilsport will get a case at the Court of Human Rights and then every club in Europe will end up closing.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

How would you fare in many clubs in Europe that not only have a massive waiting list for single guys, but operate an interview system for those guys that want to join and gain entry to clubs?

This is very much the case in many French and Belgian clubs.

If you think it is hard for single men in British clubs you would have plenty to moan about in other parts of the continent.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"We don't have to go if we don't want to though, do we?"

Very true as like anything you pay for....

Yes sir you both want to see planet of the apes. No problem that will be £5 for your wife/girlfriend/sister etc and £25 for you. Thank you sir....

Oh you want a couples ticket, no problem that will be £15 and your sister/friend will be free.

Simplistic analogy I know

But of course you don't have to go

same cinema same facilities same movie

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah and what about the atrocious cost of shaving your bollix smooth because of a huge mark-up on razor heads.

For example, Gillette can afford to hire the likes of sports stars Roger Federer, Thierry Henry and Tiger Woods etc to advertise its Fusion products

Apparently the actual product cost as little as 5p to make.

But consumers are charged up to £2.43 a piece for them - a mark-up of more than 4,750%.

A pack of eight costs £18.53, and becuase the replacement razor heads are so expensive, apparently they are now the most shoplifted product on British the High Streets.

A pack of four Fusion Power cartridges seemingly costs only 20p to manufacture, plus 8p for packaging. But they are sold for £9.72 - a mark-up of £9.44.

Yep rip off all right….. I’ll say we are being ripped off,,,,,,, and I’m not talking about wax strips!!! Ouch-ya

Oop's... sorry folks... I seem to have wandered of topic again... but bugger,,,, I hate being ripped off with anything...

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Yeah and what about the atrocious cost of shaving your bollix smooth because of a huge mark-up on razor heads.

For example, Gillette can afford to hire the likes of sports stars Roger Federer, Thierry Henry and Tiger Woods etc to advertise its Fusion products

Apparently the actual product cost as little as 5p to make.

But consumers are charged up to £2.43 a piece for them - a mark-up of more than 4,750%.

A pack of eight costs £18.53, and becuase the replacement razor heads are so expensive, apparently they are now the most shoplifted product on British the High Streets.

A pack of four Fusion Power cartridges seemingly costs only 20p to manufacture, plus 8p for packaging. But they are sold for £9.72 - a mark-up of £9.44.

Yep rip off all right….. I’ll say we are being ripped off,,,,,,, and I’m not talking about wax strips!!! Ouch-ya

Oop's... sorry folks... I seem to have wandered of topic again... but bugger,,,, I hate being ripped off with anything...

mens razors are much much better than womens. I bought a Venus and already on the second cartridge, whereas the Fusion i got last year (in a sale at Morrisons) is still working fine.

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By *ensual temptressWoman over a year ago

Southampton

"We don't have to go if we don't want to though, do we?

Very true as like anything you pay for....

Yes sir you both want to see planet of the apes. No problem that will be £5 for your wife/girlfriend/sister etc and £25 for you. Thank you sir....

Oh you want a couples ticket, no problem that will be £15 and your sister/friend will be free.

Simplistic analogy I know

But of course you don't have to go

same cinema same facilities same movie"

funny enough i never saw tons of guy clammering to get in to cinema,was range of people .

lets face facts clubs could fill to the brim with single guys every night of the week with zero effort .thats why alot have limits of amount of single guys . would they still wanna go if there were no women there ??? well unless they were gay or bi then nope lol !! takes more to entice cpls or fems into clubs hence the incentives to draw them in . is it fair .. well of course not!! is moaning about gonna change it .. not in sligtest . is it business sense ..yes !

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"How would you fare in many clubs in Europe that not only have a massive waiting list for single guys, but operate an interview system for those guys that want to join and gain entry to clubs?

This is very much the case in many French and Belgian clubs.

If you think it is hard for single men in British

clubs you would have plenty to moan about in other parts of the continent.

I live in the UK not on the continent.

The membership style you mention ( going before a panel) falls in to what would be used in a private members club here in the UK, however the numbers seeking membership would probably fall out side and far exceed the rules governing these clubs and would also have to be used for single fems and couples.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Supply and demand.

The ladies are in demand so they're charged less or even free, they're the carrot dangling for all those men wanting some.

If the ladies had to pay what single guys pay you will find they'll simply not go, unlike men.

face it if a woman gets horny she's likely pick up in a bar much easier than a guy.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple over a year ago

hexham

"I've just searched through the meets section; and despite the recent 2010 changes to the equality act it's amazing how many 'clubs' still think they can and continue to over charge single men and to a lesser degree couples!

These venues are service providers and as such cannot differentiate between the sexes re the charges for entry!

They are not private members clubs for the most part as their membership criteria doesn't meet that requirement under the prescribed legislation.

So we'll keep being ripped off!"

Most are private members clubs, however that is irrelevant.The fact is their prices are clear and shown before entry.

Does the bus discriminate when it charges less for children?

No law says you cannot charge single men

less to enter a bar or club.Never heard of ladies nights in nighclubs?

Now if you want to rant about capitalism i am right behind you !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mmmmm thirty quid for a fantastic social night

With the opportunity to see live sex shows

Relax in comfortable surroundings

With more chance of pulling than most bars

Ok single ladies get a good deal but do you really think they would go if they had to pay thirty quid?

It could be argued that most men pay for nights out on the town with ladies if they both go to a normal bar

I know in my case if I take a lady out I foot the bill

Same principal really is it not? Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's actually against equality laws to charge men more than women (or even the other way round).

BUT, unless people complain they (the authorities) wont do anything (prosecute the offenders).

Start looking into the specific equality laws, they came into effect earlier this year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Was actually aware of these laws being drafted over two years ago by talking to the owner of a club

However it really just would not work

Not all laws are helpful

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"Yeah and what about the atrocious cost of shaving your bollix smooth because of a huge mark-up on razor heads.

For example, Gillette can afford to hire the likes of sports stars Roger Federer, Thierry Henry and Tiger Woods etc to advertise its Fusion products

Apparently the actual product cost as little as 5p to make.

But consumers are charged up to £2.43 a piece for them - a mark-up of more than 4,750%.

A pack of eight costs £18.53, and becuase the replacement razor heads are so expensive, apparently they are now the most shoplifted product on British the High Streets.

A pack of four Fusion Power cartridges seemingly costs only 20p to manufacture, plus 8p for packaging. But they are sold for £9.72 - a mark-up of £9.44.

Yep rip off all right….. I’ll say we are being ripped off,,,,,,, and I’m not talking about wax strips!!! Ouch-ya

Oop's... sorry folks... I seem to have wandered of topic again... but bugger,,,, I hate being ripped off with anything...

mens razors are much much better than womens. I bought a Venus and already on the second cartridge, whereas the Fusion i got last year (in a sale at Morrisons) is still working fine. "

Have to agree about razor prices! And although some ladies legs can blunt a mans razor by just being shown it I would agree that mens are better.

Although I don't think that Gillette will be to concerned that it costs you more to shave your bollocks!

Although I think that some women would happily pay extra if the could watch Roger Federer or

Thierry Henry advertising by shaving their own. Tiger has possibly already been seen by most! lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i booked a flight tonight to Basel at 6pm for 68.00 quid, it is now 325.00!!

bargain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We don't have to go if we don't want to though, do we?"

Totally agree. If you don't like the price,don't go. Simple!

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By *ong_legs2Couple over a year ago

essex

Hold up, we are shocked this is even being brought up. Besides I know many nightclubs around that have dome deals like 'ladiea get in free' or 'ladies pay half price before 1am' .

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Of course people won't go if they don't like the way they are being ripped off, but thats not really the point I think.

If I was a single male going to clubs I might be feeling ripped off too, I know people have said the reasons why the clubs charge this way, on this thread and other threads, but it is still a rip off.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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These venues are service providers and as such cannot differentiate between the sexes re the charges for entry!

They are not private members clubs for the most part as their membership criteria doesn't meet that requirement under the prescribed legislation.

So we'll keep being ripped off!

Most are private members clubs, however that is irrelevant.The fact is their prices are clear and shown before entry.

Does the bus discriminate when it charges less for children?

No law says you cannot charge single men

less to enter a bar or club.Never heard of ladies nights in nighclubs?

Now if you want to rant about capitalism i am right behind you !

Sorry to tell you but you are wrong over the charges.

No club (vanilla) can discriminate it's entry fee.

Ladies nights are singular events..

Private members clubs have to 'vet' prospective new members before a board and are limited to a very small number

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"Hold up, we are shocked this is even being brought up. Besides I know many nightclubs around that have dome deals like 'ladiea get in free' or 'ladies pay half price before 1am' ."

Yes in the past but No longer aloud

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"Was actually aware of these laws being drafted over two years ago by talking to the owner of a club

However it really just would not work

Not all laws are helpful "

Came into force October 2010

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"Mmmmm thirty quid for a fantastic social night

With the opportunity to see live sex shows

Relax in comfortable surroundings

With more chance of pulling than most bars

Ok single ladies get a good deal but do you really think they would go if they had to pay thirty quid?

It could be argued that most men pay for nights out on the town with ladies if they both go to a normal bar

I know in my case if I take a lady out I foot the bill

Same principal really is it not? Xx

Being a gentlemen isn't the question.

I surely don't have to tell you that their are a lot of independent ladies who prefer to pay for themselves or go Dutch and not just because they don't want to feel compromised or perhaps qbe expected to go further but because it's their right to do so

I still walk on the outside next to the kirb or open a door because that's the way I was brought up.

I think youve missed the point.

Free sex show? Sounds like you're in a different kind of club

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By *harpDressed ManMan over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

What is the OP's desired outcome?

Does he want equal charges, with the resultant change in attendance proportion (I assume we're all agreed that the ratios would get a lot worse)?

Is he just provoking an argument for the sake of it?

If the former, he should start complaining to his local Trading Standards office.

If the latter, can he please start from a more coherent position next time? The thread title is clearly not the subject, as his point is that there is a law to prevent price disparity (see also his dismissal of discussion about any other country - 'Rip Off Britain' is a comparative term, which by its very nature requires other countries to be referenced). On the point of nightclub 'Ladies Nights' being one offs - firstly, I suggest some more thorough research on that (he'll find out he's wrong); secondly, most clubs have nights where no single men are allowed at all, so could argue that the male-chargeable nights are the exception rather than the rule.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

_john121, your right, now what are you going to do?

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By *LBishCouple over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

Most clubs do this to stop the guys who just want to go and have a dam good wank. they are trying to sort out the genuine guys who want to play. And as someone has already said, its still cheeper than a night out on the town with the boys. Also like its already been said, dont like it dont go simples. As a couple we dont mind paying more than a single lady as we know how hard it is to get the single ladys in there as it is.

YEhhhh in this country and im sure many more, we all get riped off lots with lots of things, hey thats life get over it lol.

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By *arkandjaneCouple over a year ago

Lancaster

I can see what john is getting at, the equalities act Oct 2010 came in last year, it will only take one person to take it to the authorities and they could probably be prosecuted for for not having equal terms, be it right or wrong in swingers or the clubs eyes, that is the law now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mmmmm thirty quid for a fantastic social night

With the opportunity to see live sex shows

Relax in comfortable surroundings

With more chance of pulling than most bars

Ok single ladies get a good deal but do you really think they would go if they had to pay thirty quid?

It could be argued that most men pay for nights out on the town with ladies if they both go to a

normal bar

I know in my case if I take a lady out I foot the bill

Same principal really is it not? Xx

Being a gentlemen isn't the question.

their right to do so

I still walk on the outside next to the kirb or open a door because that's the way I was brought up.

I think youve missed the point.

Free sex show? Sounds like you're in a different kind of club"

I ain't saying I don't agree with you of course I do!!!

But I just can't see how it would work

It would destroy the clubs overnight

And as fa not seeing free sex shows you must go to some odd clubs then xx

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By *arkandjaneCouple over a year ago

Lancaster

your right it would detroy the clubs just like its destroyong other things, would the government be bothered if every swingers club in the country shut down ? I think not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What is the OP's desired outcome?

Does he want equal charges, with the resultant change in attendance proportion (I assume we're all agreed that the ratios would get a lot worse)?

Is he just provoking an argument for the sake of it?

If the former, he should start complaining to his local Trading Standards office.

Totally agree with this reply - what's the issue with this thread?

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By *arkandjaneCouple over a year ago

Lancaster

LMFAO i wonder who is gonna go to there local tradind standards and say, excuse me but the swingers club up the road is charging more for entry for men than women or cpls. ha ha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm willing to bet that if clubs were ordered to charge equally for everyone that they would find another way to keep things as they are. Totally off the top of my head (and I've no idea if these would be affected by the equality law):-

1) Restricted numbers of guys allowed in, first 30 or whatever. And couples/single women are allowed to be on a guest list.

2) Men only allowed to visit xxx times a year.

3) Switch over to private members club rules (which I thought swingers clubs were anyway?) and out a lot of the guys via interviews etc.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"What is the OP's desired outcome?

Does he want equal charges, with the resultant change in attendance proportion (I assume we're all agreed that the ratios would get a lot worse)?

Is he just provoking an argument for the sake of it?

If the former, he should start complaining to his local Trading Standards office.

OK, firstly title is what the title is and not rip off Europe; as the Equality law 2010 relates to the UK and not mainland Europe or the USA it relates to here..

We all know that here in the UK we are being over charged for a whole host of products compared to other countries. fact!

check ebay if you don't believe me.

this thread I though was quite clear and as I've read others have also thought so too..

the argument re other countries does not hold water as I have stated that despite the NEW legislation brought in in October 2010 for the UK that this practise should have come to an end..

If you went to any other service provider and they said you must pay more because of your gender would you still be happy?

clearly it will take some one with the brass neck to take this on...but I'm sure it will happen..

I fail to see how equal charges will affect attendance as the amount of single ladies who go to clubs are already outnumbered hugely..

And that's from my own personal experience of attending couples and singles nights.

I have already said that clearly couples only nights are the only time you have equality in terms of gender,unless single fems are aloud at the same time as couples..which is then discriminating on gender re single guys..

its a mind field and clearly an awful lot are not aware of this legislation..

and you cannot offer reduced charges to get in to a night club any more for either gender.

you don't have to like it but like most things you will have to accept it.

So why should this be provoking an argument?

this as other threads has informed but also shown that some are and some not aware of what occurred in October 2010.

If you didn't know or hadn't realised that these changes have happened you are aware now.

I can understand the desire to protect your favourite club...but step back a minute and remember they are not there out of the goodness of their heart but to make a profit off you..

Reduced membership can be offered as an inducement to genders who may not be being fully represented but for a 'limited time'.

surely you can understand that for every single female that plays there will always be far more guys no matter what price difference.

I know you will understand this; that despite this site being free there is an awful lot more guys than single females represented,true or false?

Excellent clubs will adapt and still make a profit of you because they can and will.

they have survived the no smoking legislation.

I think that it may in some part be about your thoughts that you may have to deal with increased competition. but that's the case already on singles nights..

unless some one out there can tell me of a club that is equally represented by all with the present difference in charges in place.

This has affected far larger clubs than just swingers clubs as you golfers can attest too.

I would suggest you check out the .gov or human rights website for this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the clubs argue that guys pay the proper price, and that it's discounted for couples and even more for single ladies. Not sure how that argument would then stand up legally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm willing to bet that if clubs were ordered to charge equally for everyone that they would find another way to keep things as they are. Totally off the top of my head (and I've no idea if these would be affected by the equality law):-

1) Restricted numbers of guys allowed in, first 30 or whatever. And couples/single women are allowed to be on a guest list.

2) Men only allowed to visit xxx times a year.

3) Switch over to private members club rules (which I thought swingers clubs were anyway?) and out a lot of the guys via interviews etc."

Indeed they would have to find a way around it, or they would become wank clubs (men walking around playing).

As many have said, the balance/ratio has to be right 1 single woman, 3 couples, 50 men, will it work, No.

I certainly wouldn't want to go to a swing club full of men, I can go to a football match if I want to see a load of W######kers

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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1) Restricted numbers of guys allowed in, first 30 or whatever. And couples/single women are allowed to be on a guest list.

2) Men only allowed to visit xxx times a year.

3) Switch over to private members club rules (which I thought swingers clubs were anyway?) and out a lot of the guys via interviews etc."

interesting ideas and these are covered by the legislation..

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"_john121, your right, now what are you going to do?

EXACTLEY! lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am not saying its right but for me it is cheaper to travel and go to chams than it is to have a night on the town plus a whole lot more fun.

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By *LBishCouple over a year ago

near bury st edmunds

Well we have been going to our local swingers club nearly 2 years now and let me say, even though single ladys pay only five pounds, they still find it hard to get them in, unlike the single guys who wayy out number single ladys. So putting the price up for single ladys mean you will have a club full of single guys.

Also let me say BOTH our local swingers clubs dont make a huge profit, they do it cause they like the social side of it and NOT for a Huge profit. Contact the owners of club Ish in Ipswich and ask them the same question. Not everyone is out to make a killing, so people do things more like a hobby and they get a great social life out of it Too. Our other swingers club plough all the money they make back into the Club and work other jobs as a income, this also applys to the owners of Ish.

There are nice ppl out there not everyone wants to rip you off, NOT all clubs are the same. There has been amny a time when we have been skint and have gotten into our fave club for Free as they rather have us there as we are good at socialising than loose us altogether.

Dont base each Club the same cause they are Not all the same. Both of our clubs dont charge silly membership and single guy prices are quite resonable. Infact one of them are holding a Free night this Sunday so ppl can try it and not feel like they have wasted money if they dont.

Its life discrimination and stuff, If ppl keep moaning instead of not going if they dont like it. Then its these ppl who will end up getting these clubs closed as they wont be able to sustain the running costs.

Get over it and move on if ya dont like it DONT go, have private meets instead.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"Most clubs do this to stop the guys who just want to go and have a dam good wank. they are trying to sort out the genuine guys who want to play. And as someone has already said, its still cheeper than a night out on the town with the boys. Also like its already been said, dont like it dont go simples. As a couple we dont mind paying more than a single lady as we know how hard it is to get the single ladys in there as it is.

YEhhhh in this country and im sure many more, we all get riped off lots with lots of things, hey thats life get over it lol."

so why aren't there an equal number of single ladies on a free site like this if your logic is to be followed through.

And if the currently there are not equal numbers of single ladies then the it's not working now is it?

Do you like to be ripped off or do you shop around? gas electric for example.

And when you find the cheapest or best value do you believe that everyone should be entitled to it or just you..

again simplistic but understandable..

why do you think these changes have been brought in?

would you prefer to be exempt from them or benefit?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just think how much it is to pay for a good hotel room and the price to go to a good club. Which would you prefer.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"dont make a HUGE profit"...still making a profit though.

not a non profit organisation then.

this legislation isn't just aimed at swingers club but all clubs!

"mens prices are reasonable"

makes no odds how reasonable you think they are still have to be the same for the same service..

if you were a member of a local gym would you expect and be happy to pay more than the guys there that are using exactly the same facilities and equipment as you?

I think not.

free night,a promotion night is a great idea to increase members, potential guests, and oh yes a profit.

the costs involved in running a swingers club are from what I have been told are very high and as such you need to make as much profit as possible in order to survive..its a business..let alone keep up with general maintenance costs,leccy,etc etc etc

yes i'm sure the social side is lovely and if they need other jobs to keep going it says to me their business plan needs looking at..

would you pay more in the chippy for the same chips than the bloke in front of you?

some clubs may have to do more promotion nights to survive thats business and complying to legislation is part of it.

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

My housemate feels the same. He thinks clubs rip off single men, and to an extent couples. It is often cheaper for his wife to visit a club with me, then it is for him to go with her.

So he doesn't go. He doesn't sit here complaining about it.

Simples!

I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong. But complain about it, and all you will succeed in doing is closing clubs down, and there isn't enough of them as it is.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"Just think how much it is to pay for a good hotel room and the price to go to a good club. Which would you prefer."

I won't use a hotel room just for sex so for me it doesn't relate. but they do charge you the same amount for the room whether you male or female or a couple.

however, from what I understand you can gate late bookings very cheap!

but this is a whole other thread which has been covered re hotel room meets.

People are assuming that I'm looking to dramatically reduce the cost for male membership and interestingly nobody has asked that question.

well I'm sure that a little reduction from some of the charges that I've seen here would be excellent and welcomed but in general I'm not.

its all about pointing out that there should be equality in these charges as laid out in the new legislation.

So some clever re thinking may be needed by some clubs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a single guy I accept that I'm going to pay more for entry into a club, that's just the way it is. I'm sure the only other option would be to raise the entry fee for single females and couples, which in turn would lead to falling numbers attending and eventually lead to clubs closing. Most clubs don't have a licence to sell alcohol so they need to generate income somehow.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

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"My housemate feels the same. He thinks clubs rip off single men, and to an extent couples. It is often cheaper for his wife to visit a club with me, then it is for him to go with her.

So he doesn't go. He doesn't sit here complaining about it.

Simples!

I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong. But complain about it, and all you will succeed in doing is closing clubs down, and there isn't enough of them as it is. "

love it!

he feels so strongly that he doesn't go with his wife!

also forums are a place to air your views,complain,praise what ever are they not?

So he chooses not to mention it here so is it fair for what sounds like a couple who are concious of the spend limits that he feels he cant attend?

or perhaps he just likes to here her stories of the evenings events.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

staffs

"I am not saying its right but for me it is cheaper to travel and go to chams than it is to have a night on the town plus a whole lot more fun."

perfect and honest response and you are to be applauded for it.

It just goes to show that we all have our perhaps shall I say 'personal' reasons for keeping it as it is..

purse and pleasure and nothing to do with what's right.

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

staffs

"As a single guy I accept that I'm going to pay more for entry into a club, that's just the way it is. I'm sure the only other option would be to raise the entry fee for single females and couples, which in turn would lead to falling numbers attending and eventually lead to clubs closing. Most clubs don't have a licence to sell alcohol so they need to generate income somehow."

why accept? weak argument.

remember the petrol crisis?

Daganham ladies strike? for those of a slightly older disposition or those who have watched the film.

clubs will adapt

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By *o Peep n WoodyCouple over a year ago

suffolk

Same applies to clubs that have smoking zones indoors.

It's all against the law.

Just because u have to charge the same doesn't meant u will have more man and less women. You can still cap them equally. Like.. no more than 30 men or women.

Instead of charging 20 to men and 0 to women , 10th to each, then a gent can always buy a drink inside to a lady. Less women would go? Yes but the ones that wouldn't are the ones that just go to mess about to raise their self esteem :p

You might disagree with me but the law its the law . Not that in UK anyone gets punished for anything.. people get caught driving with no tax. Driving insurance etc and get 100£ fine and 6points on a licence u don't have. LOL

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By *john121 OP Man over a year ago

staffs

"Same applies to clubs that have smoking zones indoors.

It's all against the law.

Just because u have to charge the same doesn't meant u will have more man and less women. You can still cap them equally. Like.. no more than 30 men or women.

Some interesting and dangerous to your personal health comments! lol

I agree re the driving imposed fines but when you take on the equalities commission the fines might be a little more aggressive in their content!

interestingly I watched a prog recently where a gentleman was employing at least 2 illegal workers and he was fined £20,000! makes you think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think maybe some posters missing the Op's point. Discrimination is illegal. October 2010 underlined it and future legislation will most likely continue to close possible 'loopholes'.

I (and I'm sure the Op) fully understand the impact this is likely to have on current swinging clubs, the status quo suits the clubs, single women and men who are willing to accept discrimination to not 'rock the boat'. I agree with many on here that clubs in their current format would struggle but in my opinion the current business model of many swinging clubs is simply not sustainable.

The basic business model hinges on attracting women to a club and then charging men a disproportionate fee to have access to the women in that club. Increasing the price for women simply makes a club less attractive to them and then in turn less attractive to single guys. I get that, but the law does not respect business models, it respects human rights. Business has to adapt.

We were told the smoking ban would kill the restaurant, club and pub industry. Some have suffered, but many have adapted and prospered.

The business model for swinging clubs will simply change when these clubs are eventually challenged through legal channels.

(There is a section in the 2010 act that does allow for instances when under represented groups can be treated differently, I have been advised through legal channels that single women in a swinging club is highly unlikely to be accepted as one of these groups by a court, but until challenged no one can be certain).

Please don't assume by my post that I am flying the flag for change, I don't use clubs, I am just stating the facts as I see them and refusing to bury my head in the sand. I don't think we should underestimate the ingenuity of entrepreneurs and their ability to devise business plans that adapt to suit legislation, changing tastes and demands.

At times in life it may be easier to just accept discrimination and not rock the boat, it doesn't make it right though.

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By *o Peep n WoodyCouple over a year ago

suffolk

Illegal immigration penaltys are fairly heavy. But If you see tvshows like police interceptors u get guys caught with car full of stolen big plasma tvs and they just have to hand them back and pay 50£ compensation. It's pathetic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so why aren't there an equal number of single ladies on a free site like this if your logic is to be followed through.

And if the currently there are not equal numbers of single ladies then the it's not working now is it?"

You can't legislate for sexual desire. The fact is, more men than women want NSA sex.

I presently pay £5 to use a swingers club because it's a cost-effective solution to meeting like-minded men. If this was increased to £25, my decision making process would still be the same (what's a cost-effective way for me to meet men for NSA sex), and my conclusion would be to work slightly harder in pubs or vanilla nightclubs.

OK, so it's not fair that men have to pay more, but that's TOUGH! No amount of legislation can make me pay to get NSA sex, when I can get it for free.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think maybe some posters missing the Op's point. Discrimination is illegal. October 2010 underlined it and future legislation will most likely continue to close possible 'loopholes'.

would struggle but in my opinion the current business model of many swinging clubs is simply not sustainable.

guys. I get that, but the law does not respect business models, it respects human rights. Business has to adapt.

We were told the smoking ban would kill the restaurant, club and pub industry. Some have suffered, but many have adapted and prospered.

The business model for swinging clubs will simply change when these clubs are eventually challenged through legal channels.

(There is a section in the 2010 act that does allow for instances when under represented

groups can be treated differently, I have been advised through legal channels that single women in a swinging club is highly unlikely to be accepted as one of these groups by a court, but until challenged no one can be certain).

Please don't assume by my post that I am flying the flag for change, I don't use clubs, I am just stating the facts as I see them and refusing to bury my head in the sand. I don't think we should

underestimate the ingenuity of entrepreneurs and their ability to devise business plans that adapt to suit legislation, changing tastes and demands.

At times in life it may be easier to just accept discrimination and not rock the boat, it doesn't make it right though. "

I fully understand what you are saying blackspice

But totally disagree with your comparison to the smoking ban

And at the moment so do a consortium of MPs that are trying to get that particular law relaxed to save the pub trade

As I said in an earlier post some laws may be right but are NOT always helpful

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By *igersgobounce69Couple over a year ago

Southend

"My housemate feels the same. He thinks clubs rip off single men, and to an extent couples. It is often cheaper for his wife to visit a club with me, then it is for him to go with her.

So he doesn't go. He doesn't sit here complaining about it.

Simples!

I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong. But complain about it, and all you will succeed in doing is closing clubs down, and there isn't enough of them as it is.

love it!

he feels so strongly that he doesn't go with his wife!

also forums are a place to air your views,complain,praise what ever are they not?

So he chooses not to mention it here so is it fair for what sounds like a couple who are concious of the spend limits that he feels he cant attend?

or perhaps he just likes to here her stories of the evenings events."

Said housemate here, it is not about money constraints, if we chose to go together we could afford it. The reason he does not do to clubs is firstly he is not a club person, where I am and happily go to clubs when the chance arises. Secondly, he and I object to the fact that if I go on my own I get in free, but as a couple we pay anything from £20.00 up to £30.00. Yes this is cheaper that a single guy rate, but why are we are a couple paying nearly as much as a single guy, when as a single female I get in for free.

Yes forums are a place to complain and discuss views but to be honest he chooses not to go to clubs and it works for us as I end up not paying anything.

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By *athnBobCouple over a year ago

sandwell