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'Kinky' women

By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

So, inspired by another thread that has got me thinking ... are so called 'kinky' single women only being kinky to get a man? If so, what does this mean about women in couples, are they staying kinky to keep their man? How many women will admit to their whole sexuality revolving around a man?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mine does. With a hint of woman thrown in.

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

Not at all. I was with my ex for 11 yrs, he was the most boring person in the bedroom department . I could only let my kink out whilst playing alone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Kink is subjective.

I don't lure men in with promises of something they can have that is out of the ordinary.

When I meet someone where the sexual chemistry is strong I relax and enjoy myself. That may involve "kinky" or "dirty" sex. It all depends on how we get along.

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By *ilacWoman over a year ago

Cheshire

"So, inspired by another thread that has got me thinking ... are so called 'kinky' single women only being kinky to get a man? If so, what does this mean about women in couples, are they staying kinky to keep their man? How many women will admit to their whole sexuality revolving around a man?"

I would class myself as kinky. I've evolved over the years to incorporate various practises into my sex life that I've wanted to try and been lucky enough to find a willing partner to experiment with. Now they have been part of my preferences. I won't compromise any more on going without them. I will however do stuff that are not particularly my thing... in return. Because it's 'give and take' literally in a relationship. Yes I would do certain kinks to keep a man happy that I was in a relationship with but I'd expect the same back. But as far as being kinky for the sake of it to lure a man... no. I'm just being myself.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Is that even possible? Could anyone sustain a lifetime or however long of a sexuality that wasn't their own to keep a partner?

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Is that even possible? Could anyone sustain a lifetime or however long of a sexuality that wasn't their own to keep a partner?"

It seems some men think it is .... women revolve around men, apparently their life has no meaning without men?!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Is that even possible? Could anyone sustain a lifetime or however long of a sexuality that wasn't their own to keep a partner?

It seems some men think it is .... women revolve around men, apparently their life has no meaning without men?!"

Yes, some women think it too.

I freely admit that I like having a man in my life, I don't do well emotionally alone. I couldn't pretend to be bisexual for instance to get or keep a man though, I'd rather depend on my miserable face and ratty disposition

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

It is a bit of a loaded question as any part of a relationship could be taken as 'givens' not just kink.

Framing kink as a way to capture a guy is a little short sighted in what is achieved by the escapism itself. Would male kink mean that are trying to snare a woman?

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Is that even possible? Could anyone sustain a lifetime or however long of a sexuality that wasn't their own to keep a partner?

It seems some men think it is .... women revolve around men, apparently their life has no meaning without men?!

Yes, some women think it too.

I she implication then that only women make compromises because they need the relationship so much, because I think it's pretty even on both sides as men desire relationships too, and also make compromises .... I don't think its a male/female think

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

It is a bit of a loaded question as any part of a relationship could be taken as 'givens' not just kink.

Framing kink as a way to capture a guy is a little short sighted in what is achieved by the escapism itself. Would male kink mean that are trying to snare a woman?"

You pre empted my comment, see above, but I think the man who triggered the thought was implying that its the needy women who change to get the man and the men are just being themselves .... but I think it could go both ways, if that is the nature of the relationship

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

Is that even possible? Could anyone sustain a lifetime or however long of a sexuality that wasn't their own to keep a partner?

It seems some men think it is .... women revolve around men, apparently their life has no meaning without men?!

Yes, some women think it too.

It depends on the relationship I suppose. I know that Mr N and I have made compromises to ensure our relationship works but I see relationships where it appears that only one person is compromising. It's a funny old world

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find girls do alot of things to snare/keep a man or even to try n make others like them and women do things because they want to and seem to know their own self worth...but those terms are to do with attitude more than age...women tend to be alot more secure in themselves

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"I find girls do alot of things to snare/keep a man or even to try n make others like them and women do things because they want to and seem to know their own self worth...but those terms are to do with attitude more than age...women tend to be alot more secure in themselves

I tend to agree with you there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Female half here... I actually find my "kinkiness" has the opposite effect with relationships - because I have a high sex drive and am open minded, lots of men/women don't see me as the relationship "type". Men especially seem to have two types, one they want to fuck senseless, and the other they want to settle down with. Whereas I'm wanting to settle down with someone who fucks me senseless.

My boyfriend and other half of this profile doesn't revel in how sexually oriented i am like men are thought to be. He's new to all of this swinging malarkey and whilst I know he's more than happy with our sex life, i also know he struggled when i told him how many people I've slept with, he's nowhere near as open minded sexually as i am.

When I first meet someone it's difficult knowing when to bring up the whole "yes i fuck both men and women, go to swingers clubs, enjoy group sex, have probably done most of your fantasies..." because more often than not it effects the way they perceive me.

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By *ananas57Couple over a year ago

lake ariel

I didn't get kinky till after I was married

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

I would hope that nobody of any gender does things sexually just to keep their partner happy.

I know plenty of very kinky women who are that way regardless of who is their partner, or whether they have a partner at a given time.

Some people are kinky, some dabble, some discover it later in life, and some are not kinky. I sincerely hope that nobody ever does kinky things just to keep a person in their life. That strikes me as rather sad.

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By *eus n EuropaCouple over a year ago

louth

Depends wnat you call kinky remeber its only kinky first time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are some that known me for years on here and its sister site, will testify ... I LOVE KINKY side of my sex life - but finding a women who lets go is very very rare

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Depends wnat you call kinky remeber its only kinky first time

I would, in the nicest way, completely disagree.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There are some that known me for years on here and its sister site, will testify ... I LOVE KINKY side of my sex life - but finding a women who lets go is very very rare

Once again I would politely disagree. I attend events and munches and there are plenty of women who are into kink. Inevitably they are one of a couple and there is treble the amount of men to women. But that is like Fab a function of numbers and not the lack of kinky women. In the usual feast or famine way of things I have introduced two ladies this week to the pleasures of kink. Unfortunately such luck is unlikely to repeat itself.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

At any munch or kink event that I've been to there have been a mixture of men, couples and single women. Also triads and so on.

The caveat is that I'm only an occasional part of the kink scene but I certainly know a lot of kinky ladies via my occasional involvements. The kink scene tends to be more female friendly than Fab, which can be overwhelming with the M-F ratio. Also people tend to look out for the safety and comfort of others in the kink scene which I find laudable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think i'm kinky at all, yet my ex FWB (who was ex army and had been about a bit) thought i was filthy. No idea why.

However, i don't try and lure anyone with tales of kink. One persons idea of kink could be somebody elese's vanilla.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I consider myself kinky but I do it for me, certainly not to atttact or keep a man. The man I share my life with is extremely vanilla, so I only allow my kinky side to come out when I meet other men/women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think as a couple we 'evolved ' kink wise. What started as a pair of fluffy pink handcuffs and a pvc outfit has now become a collection of thousands of pounds of equipment and the inability of not being able to cum property without at least alittle kink involved.... we do snuggle too

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

im kinky, cos it does it for me...always has done. am i kinky with everyone, no.

takes a certain chemistry to take me into subspace. im not sub to the world. smf when i Domme, its for the self exploration psychologically for the other.

takes far more effort, time and commitment that the person on the other thread, gave it credit for, there are easier ways of 'gaining affection' if i wanted a man.

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By *rench AllianceCouple over a year ago

Edinburgh

What's kinky?

For us we'll do things together that we'll not do with others. Life is for experiencing those wow moments, where sex takes you to new highs.

It's also about not being mundane and predictable

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By *ire_thornMan over a year ago

no comment

Very good thought OP

I'd like to give my own personal opinion on this subject

I myself may differ from most men in the sense that if a woman has to keep doing things that are out of her comfort zone to keep a man happy, how can he honestly be happy with that, I can pick up on things and if a woman is uncomfortable or unsure I stop. I think that a sexual interaction between two or more people should be equally pleasurable for all involved. Sexual chemistry is a must.. but you have to be comfortable as well.. when both of those things sync, kinky may come with it, or... it may not... I think it's important for people to be themselves... not everyone will click... that's just how it is.... and if you don't click, move along to someone that will be able to keep your sexual attention just by being them...

Again just an opinion

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

"What's kinky?

For us we'll do things together that we'll not do with others. Life is for experiencing those wow moments, where sex takes you to new highs.

It's also about not being mundane and predictable

It's not about what is or isn't, its about if anyone does it for their partner, to keep or get a partner? Is it a female thing, ie females aren't really kinky at all, or do both sexes do it?

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By *ire_thornMan over a year ago

no comment

"What's kinky?

For us we'll do things together that we'll not do with others. Life is for experiencing those wow moments, where sex takes you to new highs.

It's also about not being mundane and predictable

It's not about what is or isn't, its about if anyone does it for their partner, to keep or get a partner? Is it a female thing, ie females aren't really kinky at all, or do both sexes do it? "

I'd say both sexes do it...

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"What's kinky?

For us we'll do things together that we'll not do with others. Life is for experiencing those wow moments, where sex takes you to new highs.

It's also about not being mundane and predictable

It's not about what is or isn't, its about if anyone does it for their partner, to keep or get a partner? Is it a female thing, ie females aren't really kinky at all, or do both sexes do it? "
i think it probably chases more off than attracts, being honest x

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

"What's kinky?

For us we'll do things together that we'll not do with others. Life is for experiencing those wow moments, where sex takes you to new highs.

It's also about not being mundane and predictable

It's not about what is or isn't, its about if anyone does it for their partner, to keep or get a partner? Is it a female thing, ie females aren't really kinky at all, or do both sexes do it? i think it probably chases more off than attracts, being honest x"

I agree. The poster on the other thread implied women were not really kink and were only doing it to 'trap/secure' a man ....

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By *uzy444Woman over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"What's kinky?

For us we'll do things together that we'll not do with others. Life is for experiencing those wow moments, where sex takes you to new highs.

It's also about not being mundane and predictable

It's not about what is or isn't, its about if anyone does it for their partner, to keep or get a partner? Is it a female thing, ie females aren't really kinky at all, or do both sexes do it? i think it probably chases more off than attracts, being honest x

I agree. The poster on the other thread implied women were not really kink and were only doing it to 'trap/secure' a man ...."
not all men, like cages, cuffs and a collar

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By *ire_thornMan over a year ago

no comment

"What's kinky?

For us we'll do things together that we'll not do with others. Life is for experiencing those wow moments, where sex takes you to new highs.

It's also about not being mundane and predictable

It's not about what is or isn't, its about if anyone does it for their partner, to keep or get a partner? Is it a female thing, ie females aren't really kinky at all, or do both sexes do it? i think it probably chases more off than attracts, being honest x

I agree. The poster on the other thread implied women were not really kink and were only doing it to 'trap/secure' a man ...."

That's laughable at best...

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

Not seen the thread you mean but I'm certainly not kinky to get a fella....extremely bizarre thought.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Not seen the thread you mean but I'm certainly not kinky to get a fella....extremely bizarre thought.

this was the quote (if I am allowed to quote another thread here, just because it got me thinking)

the single women tend to think they can somehow win male affection through being as "kinky" as possible.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I guess being a swinger would be considered kinky by many in the world out there

If he wanted to try something kinky, depending on how kinky it is, I will do it once. I won't do it again if I don't like it. If he doesn't like that then it is not as if I will show him the door; he knows where the door is; I only whisper to him not to slam it on his way out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One mans kink is another mans vanilla.....it depends on your definition.

I'm very open to most things....but won't "insist" on things when I'm with someone....but if it floats there boat to...then it's in!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had many of my so called kinks prior to meeting my OH so they're mine. I think you could tell if someone was doing something just to please someone else rather than because it gave them pleasure too. And to me that's pointless.

Sarah

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

Not seen the thread you mean but I'm certainly not kinky to get a fella....extremely bizarre thought.

this was the quote (if I am allowed to quote another thread here, just because it got me thinking)

the single women tend to think they can somehow win male affection through being as "kinky" as possible.

I see.

It would be pointless for me as my kinks are not something I would do with every tom dick and Harry.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

I guess being a swinger would be considered kinky by many in the world out there

Bloody hell, my phantom builder slammed it three times today in and out. Not nice when I have been in bed with flu ... so I shouted at him. Result? Ends the job spending three hours cleaning all his rubble up, sweeping, mopping and hovering and the house is as spotless as if my OH had done it .... (he does these chores) ... have I discovered a new man?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I guess being a swinger would be considered kinky by many in the world out there

Send him over; that is the type of kink I like

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am still as kinky if not more kinky now then when I'm a single. I def do a lot more now with Mr K but a lot of that is due to trust.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Probably sexually I'm a bit selfish. Although I have opened my mind on certain things as a result of my husband's desires, and I have found i am turned on if he is turned on. Within that I have discovered that I enjoy things in my own right that I didn't realise I liked. I like to please all my partners, whether male or female, but I won't bend over backwards. Fundamentally I believe the beauty of the swing scene is that we can get different pleasures from different people so that overall we are satisfied. There are things my husband and lovers and playmates might not get from me, but I am very happy for them if they get that from someone else. And vice versa. When I was new to the swing scene, I did go out of my comfort zone to please someone, and that was a mistake. I realise I don't have to now, because my men can enjoy me for what I can give, and other women for what they can give.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When the statements I make bug people so much they create entire topics of conversation to discuss it...I end up reinforcing my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not at all. I was with my ex for 11 yrs, he was the most boring person in the bedroom department . I could only let my kink out whilst playing alone.

Was married 13 years

Most lazy boring ex husband

He needed porn to get going and some viagra ... had a 4 inch cock ... I nearly died inside ... the kinky minx is out now

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

When the statements I make bug people so much they create entire topics of conversation to discuss it...I end up reinforcing my opinion."

Its not about bugging, its about discussion. Some people learn from them, others don't. Lots of things here trigger discussions and thoughts, but from my point of view it is mainly sweeping statements people make without thinking that I want to explore because I can't honestly believe some people think like that or, in this example, categorise and demean all women like that. I think you will find that most women are claiming their own sexuality for themselves, rather than doing it to please men or snare one ... surely, on balance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Adding to that. YES, ALOT of people here are looking for relationships. What blows my mind is that if your type into the search function "can you date someone on fab", you're presented with a litany of threads pertaining to the subject. Literally pages of them. And then, at the same time, these people will sit and pretend they're evolved modernists who dont require intimacy.

Its all transparent as hell. Maybe we have outliers on this forum, but considering the amount of hoop jumping that comes with single meets and the fact every other threads seems to be complaining about "respect" or "being subject to treatment like a hooker" you have to really ask yourself whether people here are really, truly about NSA sex.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not at all. I was with my ex for 11 yrs, he was the most boring person in the bedroom department . I could only let my kink out whilst playing alone.

Was married 13 years

Most lazy boring ex husband

He needed porn to get going and some viagra ... had a 4 inch cock ... I nearly died inside ... the kinky minx is out now "

Another the same here... i was with my ex for 14 years. It all started off good, he indulged my naughtiness, but soon enough it all got dull. Predictive, vanilla, mind-numbingly dull. So as soon as I left him 18 months ago, I rediscovered my love of sex. And now there's no stopping me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not at all. I was with my ex for 11 yrs, he was the most boring person in the bedroom department . I could only let my kink out whilst playing alone.

Was married 13 years

Most lazy boring ex husband

He needed porn to get going and some viagra ... had a 4 inch cock ... I nearly died inside ... the kinky minx is out now

So the solution: don't get married!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When the statements I make bug people so much they create entire topics of conversation to discuss it...I end up reinforcing my opinion.

You know what triggers discomfort and dwelling on statements? When they touch on the truth. I dont listen to what people say because you'll tend to find most people have absolutely no consistency with what they say and how they behave.

I dont really see what is being claimed for oneself. With so many complaints of disrespect and pushy single guys, I dont really see what great realization is being achieved.

Plenty of people make sweeping statements with neither context or accuracy. They're often ignored, I notice its the ones which actually breach your own sense of assurance which make people dwell on them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

mine doesn't ...and it never has done..

I am quite capable of being kinky and having kinky thoughts all by myself, I don't need a man to bring out the best (or worst) in me..I can do that all by myself

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

"Adding to that. YES, ALOT of people here are looking for relationships. What blows my mind is that if your type into the search function "can you date someone on fab", you're presented with a litany of threads pertaining to the subject. Literally pages of them. And then, at the same time, these people will sit and pretend they're evolved modernists who dont require intimacy.

Why are you here?

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

You can have respect and nsa sex though, without having the relationship you are talking about though. I have had a couple of fuck buddy relationships over the years, but it was never going to be any more than that, mainly as they were twenty years younger. I dont understand what you find so wrong with dating someone on the lifestyle? If you are into the scene, then a perfect partner would be too. I was one hundred per cent or nsa sex. I met two three or four men a week on and off for three of four years, in stints, depending when I wanted to my own agenda. That suited me until my Oh came along and we both knew instantly, although neither of us were looking for anything else. I don't think anyone is saying they don't want intimacy, just don't need it from here .... in my humble experience, lots and lots of the men I met wanted some type of controlling relationship and that was the stressful bit. Wanting me at their beck and call, wanting to meet more often, etc .... I feel women are much freer with their relationship choices than men, on the whole.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why are you here?"

read the profile, its what its there for

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

When the statements I make bug people so much they create entire topics of conversation to discuss it...I end up reinforcing my opinion.

I dont really see what is being claimed for oneself. With so many complaints of disrespect and pushy single guys, I dont really see what great realization is being achieved.

You obviously don't know me and my forum posts. If I see someone making what I think is a ridiculous statement, like women revolve around men, then I will call them on it' I still don't see where you get your evidence from, except it may be you are hoping they do ... my OH can tell you clearly neither of us revolves around the other, its mutual. Its not a personal thing, its just it is such a ridiculous statement. I will always call someone, as I said, but I've been a combination of ill and busy, busy at work and with family so haven't been on here that much .... anyone who wants to agree and say I have argued the toss with them, including politics forum posters, feel free ...

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Why are you here?

read the profile, its what its there for"

Reading between the lines it seems you are annoyed that you aren't getting what you wanted ... not your profile, because I often see these as less of an indication of a person than the nature of their posts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Possession is a big part of many relationships.

I just find it unrealistic when people expect to meet their boyfriends on Fab. You're asking for the lottery essentially...a guy who is not possessive enough to be okay with you sleeping with other people and also confident enough to be attractive. Its unrealistic, hence why most couples on here (and singles too) met partners 1. before they came on Fab and 2. have often been dating long before they started swinging. But thats another discussion entirely.

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By *asokittyWoman over a year ago

Nr Worksop

Why are you here?

read the profile, its what its there for"

I'd rather not.

It just seems you don't have a very high opinion of women here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do you believe that there are lots of women looking for relationships? Does it say so on a number of profile you've read? Or have you had a number of women request more than just a sexual relationship with you? I'm feeling your mixing with the wrong people if you're experience is that people are using Fab to find relationships.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why are you here?

read the profile, its what its there for

You're 100% right. I dont get what I want from certain demographics on this site and thus I will vent about those demographics. Everyone is entitled to do the same and hence you have what populates the forum.

But, at the same time, I know people like using the "you're not getting any" excuse to shut people down. I think people are right when they say there is a "forum clique", its really just more of a gynocentric mindset which is maintained due to the fact that swinging is a pretty female centric activity.

So if we're going that route, lets not because its juvenile.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Possession is a big part of many relationships.

I think a lot of people come to the conclusion that the only place you will find someone else on the same sexual level is here (or on the scene). People may not come here looking, but if they are here, this is likely to be the best place to meet someone of a like mind. I think you will also find there are a lot of couples on here who met through swinging. Maybe different from the traditional view of what swinging is .... couples whose relationship has grown tired and need to put a new spring into it, but that is swinging evolved and diversified. Again, your comment is male-centric, 'you' whom ever the 'you' you mean is seeking a guy. Again I would counter men are looking for a woman who can share ... etc. If you find someone where love is mutual, of course what you have is something on an entirely different level than NSA sex, so why should any experience that couple has on here have any impact? Personally I think some of your ideas about swinging and swinging relationships smack of your limited experience of the swinging world

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By *ikebradford1974Man over a year ago

bingley

Kink is obviously subjective.

But as ultimately the thing that gets me of is seeing the women enjoy herself.

I couldn't imagine being in a relationship whereby my partner was doing things simply to please me. If she wasn't enjoying them herself.

Ultimately it's why I'm on here. Finding like minded people whereby we both go away enjoying out time together

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Why are you here?

read the profile, its what its there for

So if we're going that route, lets not because its juvenile. "

I M not part of the forum clique. I have passed most of them off

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Why are you here?

read the profile, its what its there for

So if we're going that route, lets not because its juvenile.

I M not part of the forum clique. I have passed most of them off"

Pissed

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

I won't do anything just to get a man.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs"

All of the above. Saying "mixed with the wrong people" doesnt really work as I dont really message any of the people I meet.

Also I have never been explicitly been told that "I want a relationship" from anyone...but I put two and two together. When someone wants to meet multiple times (even when the sex was poor) or we just talk in between the action, you start to gain a picture of people, despite what they often SAY they desire seeming like the complete opposite.

I have noticed this with EVERY dating/sex site I have used. The men are looking for lots of sexual experience and the women are looking for THE sexual experience. Is this the rule, absolutely not. But there is definitely a correlation. Even among the single women, there is a good chance they have a partner at home who is aware or unaware.

As human beings we're strongly driven to desire companionship, swinging doesnt change that. I have found that the sheer amount of people who pose the question of whether swinging and dating works should make it clear that plenty here are still in desire of intimacy.

Or maybe I am just projecting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why are you here?

read the profile, its what its there for

So if we're going that route, lets not because its juvenile. "

I've read your profile and what you are looking for. There is absalutely no reason you can't find what you want via Fab. I know of loads of guys with fit body's like yours all having fun in clubs, and getting NSA meets, and not getting mixed up with women wanting relationships.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't understand the premise?

Men are naturally kinky but women aren't?

Don't women do pretty well writing books of filth for other women?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is that even possible? Could anyone sustain a lifetime or however long of a sexuality that wasn't their own to keep a partner?

It seems some men think it is .... women revolve around men, apparently their life has no meaning without men?!"

pfft! that's a very old fashioned take on it.. what happened to being sexually liberated?

I would go so far as to say a lot of men wouldn't get a look in if it wasn't for the fact that their wife or girlfriend was so kinky and knew her own mind in the first place

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Or maybe I am just projecting

What about the women who use Fab to have intimacy without having to have a full time man or be monogamous?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

LOL do you think single men here are going to ACTUALLY date the women they sleep with here???

What I find mind boggling is that you seem to have had experiences among black men too. LOL of all the men to expect that from

Problem with casual sex in general is that it really doesnt teach you anything about the opposite sex. You experience is not the norm, at all.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Mrs

All of the above. Saying "mixed with the wrong people" doesnt really work as I dont really message any of the people I meet.

Or maybe I am just projecting

I have to make a confession here. When I met men as a single woman, I told them what I knew they wanted to hear, so that I could get what I wanted. So, if I wanted to meet once and not again, I would act clingy .... then they'd be gone, thinking it was their idea. Meet multiple times? Both fuck buddies and I would go to cinema and footie games .... hmmm, now you have got me thinking. There was me thinking it was because I liked footie and they just tagged along because I always get in free ... I dont think you give people credit for being as emotionally intelligent as you are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't understand the premise?

Men are naturally kinky but women aren't?

Don't women do pretty well writing books of filth for other women?"

Men are filthier than women...its just

Do people really think otherwise?? With testosterone and all??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont think you give people credit for being as emotionally intelligent as you are"

Yes, because they're not.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

LOL do you think single men here are going to ACTUALLY date the women they sleep with here???

What I find mind boggling is that you seem to have had experiences among black men too. LOL of all the men to expect that from

Problem with casual sex in general is that it really doesnt teach you anything about the opposite sex. You experience is not the norm, at all. "

All with black men, yes .... and there are also many, many black men who hate the bi aspect of their sexuality so much that they dare not admit to it, to the extent that myself and my OH were shocked at how many well hung young black guys there were at a recent tgirl party we went to ... I have been dating and swinging with black guys for almost twenty years, and have my own sons, so I feel I have some experience for sure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

All of the above. Saying "mixed with the wrong people" doesnt really work as I dont really message any of the people I meet.

Or maybe I am just projecting

Wanting to meet multiple times is not a sign of a woman wanting a relationship. It's a sign that a woman wants more sex from that person. I have about half a dozen men that I play with on mulitiple occasions, either on my own, with my husband or as part of a larger group. I would find it bizarre beyond belief if any of them though I was looking for a relationship simply because I want to play with them regularly. If you only want one night stands maybe you should specify that on your profile, then you are less likely to have women bugging you for a second fuck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't understand the premise?

Men are naturally kinky but women aren't?

Don't women do pretty well writing books of filth for other women?

Men are filthier than women...its just

Do people really think otherwise?? With testosterone and all??"

Kink requires imagination as well as sexual drive.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Does getting into a debate with me on the forums mean someone wants a relationship with me? Or me with them? Is there something I don't know about ....?

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

To get a man? Nah but I know being Kinky attracts a lot of women to me...and on a very regular basis. But i don't do it for others I do it because that's who I am

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

LOL do you think single men here are going to ACTUALLY date the women they sleep with here???

What I find mind boggling is that you seem to have had experiences among black men too. LOL of all the men to expect that from

Problem with casual sex in general is that it really doesnt teach you anything about the opposite sex. You experience is not the norm, at all.

What does this have to do with my point? Even if it is true (and it is) I love the way that was the tangent you went down.

Even if there are black guys who are bisexual without admitting it, this is once again not the norm (LGBT account for 5-8% of the population at best).

Dont take your outliers as the rule.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wanting to meet multiple times is not a sign of a woman wanting a relationship. It's a sign that a woman wants more sex from that person."

You didnt read what I wrote. At all.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"LOL do you think single men here are going to ACTUALLY date the women they sleep with here???"

It does happen and lots of couples met on here.

You've got a poor opinion of women on here perhaps?

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

I know you love that use of the word 'outliers' but have you ever considered that you are indeed referring to your experiences here. The fact that we have been around swinging a lot longer and have more life experience and give an example as one way of showing how the reality you see may not indeed be what is really going on. I see you have limited experience, and to be honest, it shows .... men do indeed date and fall in love with women they meet on the scene, why wouldn't they? Unless they had outdated and misogynistic views about women and their sexuality ... and I am talking about black men here too. Some men wouldn't consider dating women they meet here, but I would not consider these men 'swingers' nor as men who respect women. Its a phase their are going through and they will pass through. I am not disillusioned and have no need to be. I am not seeking a man or a relationship, so don't need the validation. I think you are putting it across that you see all women as needy and dependent which is likely to mean even less will be interested in you ... or at least the ones you will attract will reinforce your beliefs. Do you get out on the scene that much?

LOL do you think single men here are going to ACTUALLY date the women they sleep with here???

What I find mind boggling is that you seem to have had experiences among black men too. LOL of all the men to expect that from

Problem with casual sex in general is that it really doesnt teach you anything about the opposite sex. You experience is not the norm, at all.

What does this have to do with my point? Even if it is true (and it is) I love the way that was the tangent you went down.

Even if there are black guys who are bisexual without admitting it, this is once again not the norm (LGBT account for 5-8% of the population at best).

Dont take your outliers as the rule. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see you have simply veered into shaming tactics and claims of "misogyny". My expectations simply differ to yours, in 20 years you still have not reealized this. You also have not realized that the vast majority of the guys you meet (very likely "bulls") have absolutely zero intention of dating the women they have sex with on here.

Are their those who defy the norm? Of course, but the difference I am not delusional enough to use them as some kind of barometer as to what to expect of the behaviors of the people here.

You can, of course, keep pretending to yourself that there are plenty of guys just clawing at the chance to find relationships on fab, that half of the black population on here are secret bisexuals, that because I engage in debate with you then it somehow translates to remote sexual interest in you. If it makes you feel better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thought you might be up for a discussion, but its not about that is it?

But...it is? Isnt that the definition of a forum??

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

I am a dom women, I don't meet bulls .... check with the people who run taboo noir if you want to know what I am like .... sorry I don't fit the stereotype

Are their those who defy the norm? Of course, but the difference I am not delusional enough to use them as some kind of barometer as to what to expect of the behaviors of the people here.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Thank you .... apparently we are all delusional though ....

And need to convince ourselves of the fact that all men want us

I don't even want another man....

"LOL do you think single men here are going to ACTUALLY date the women they sleep with here???

It does happen and lots of couples met on here.

You've got a poor opinion of women on here perhaps?"

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Thank you .... apparently we are all delusional though ....

And need to convince ourselves of the fact that all men want us

I don't even want another man...."

We must be then if he says so. Funny how I had a 44 part thread about matchmaking and there were an awful lot of men on it

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Oh yeah, you reminded me, I did one in London and it had mainly men on it. I like discussion, but not when it gets dominated by two people so prefer others to join in. Apparently we are all deluded females in dire need of such relay men who wouldn't touch us with a barge pole in real life .... hmmm, how many meets will come off the back of that?

"Thank you .... apparently we are all delusional though ....

And need to convince ourselves of the fact that all men want us

I don't even want another man....

We must be then if he says so. Funny how I had a 44 part thread about matchmaking and there were an awful lot of men on it

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Thank you .... apparently we are all delusional though ....

And need to convince ourselves of the fact that all men want us

I don't even want another man....

We must be then if he says so. Funny how I had a 44 part thread about matchmaking and there were an awful lot of men on it

I am delusional

I met my boyfriend from here last year

Neither one of us was looking for a relationship, but it happened nevertheless

He is delusional too

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Oh yeah, you reminded me, I did one in London and it had mainly men on it. I like discussion, but not when it gets dominated by two people so prefer others to join in. Apparently we are all deluded females in dire need of such relay men who wouldn't touch us with a barge pole in real life .... hmmm, how many meets will come off the back of that? "

Not everyone is in the forums and a lot of women like the gym physique and ignore the personality.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Thank you .... apparently we are all delusional though ....

And need to convince ourselves of the fact that all men want us

I don't even want another man....

We must be then if he says so. Funny how I had a 44 part thread about matchmaking and there were an awful lot of men on it

I am delusional

I met my boyfriend from here last year

Neither one of us was looking for a relationship, but it happened nevertheless

He is delusional too

I dated someone off here for 18 months. His idea and I dumped him

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

Why would one not date someone from Fab?

Confused...

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Thank you .... apparently we are all delusional though ....

And need to convince ourselves of the fact that all men want us

I don't even want another man....

We must be then if he says so. Funny how I had a 44 part thread about matchmaking and there were an awful lot of men on it

I am delusional

I met my boyfriend from here last year

Neither one of us was looking for a relationship, but it happened nevertheless

He is delusional too

I dated someone off here for 18 months. His idea and I dumped him

Whaaaat? You, a mere woman, dumping a man; such things are unheard of in the 18th century

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Why would one not date someone from Fab?

Confused..."

Because to do so would be delusional I think he said

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"I dated someone off here for 18 months. His idea and I dumped him

Whaaaat? You, a mere woman, dumping a man; such things are unheard of in the 18th century"

I know, twas such shame brought upon the family and all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wanting to meet multiple times is not a sign of a woman wanting a relationship. It's a sign that a woman wants more sex from that person.

You didnt read what I wrote. At all."

I most certainly did read what you said. This is what you said

"When someone wants to meet multiple times (even when the sex was poor) or we just talk in between the action, you start to gain a picture of people, despite what they often SAY they desire seeming like the complete opposite."

I shortened it, but basically said this behaviour from women does not mean they want a relationship. Talking in between action and you get a picture of what exactly? That's normal.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Not sure you count though, with your 'questionable relationship status' and all that (NOT MY WORDS)
"Thank you .... apparently we are all delusional though ....

And need to convince ourselves of the fact that all men want us

I don't even want another man....

We must be then if he says so. Funny how I had a 44 part thread about matchmaking and there were an awful lot of men on it

I am delusional

I met my boyfriend from here last year

Neither one of us was looking for a relationship, but it happened nevertheless

He is delusional too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't understand the premise?

Men are naturally kinky but women aren't?

Don't women do pretty well writing books of filth for other women?

Men are filthier than women...its just

Do people really think otherwise?? With testosterone and all??"

men may be filthier but women are kinkier...fact

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

Not talking between 'action' seems rather boring to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shortened it, but basically said this behaviour from women does not mean they want a relationship. Talking in between action and you get a picture of what exactly? That's normal. "

You're qualifying it now. Yes, someones behavior lends me to believe they're looking for a relationship. No, it doesnt simply mean them wanting a second meet automatically meaning they want something serious...but then I never really implied that either.

By "talking in between the action", people will often give me an insight into their lives. I doesnt take me long to put togetehr that what they're really after is something substantial, that doesnt mean it has to be something exclusive...but, ultimately, they want something intimate. Essentially, the freedom to fuck other men with a guy who will still consider them a girlfriend/wife/whatever.

Its an unrealistic expectation...precisely because possession and sexual exclusivity tend to define the early stages of a relationship. ESPECIALLY for men. If one thinks that this is NOT the way most men think then yes, they're severely delusional. But this forum shows me that there are clearly alot of delusional people on here. As said, those who seem to think because they fuck men, it means they get them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't understand the premise?

Men are naturally kinky but women aren't?

Don't women do pretty well writing books of filth for other women?

Men are filthier than women...its just

Do people really think otherwise?? With testosterone and all??

men may be filthier but women are kinkier...fact"

I kinda agree. Kinda. But then when I start to gain insight into the sexual desires of the male partners I have and the female, the men always take the cake on sheer "deviation". Why? Because a lot of "kinkiness" may actually be paraphilias which are symptoms of sexual obsession...paraphilias are way more common in men than in women. By some distance. Plenty of scientific evidence for this too.

I tend to think women are more fluid, more willing to explore unchartered sexual territory with a partner they're attracted to. Whereas, most women will tell me that if they're into pegging, and had an ex who was into it, it'll be quite a challenge to find another guy who also has the same proclivities, especially if he is not submissive in bed.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

" As said, those who seem to think because they fuck men, it means they get them. "

Works the other way too. Unless you don't meet women?

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

Its an unrealistic expectation...precisely because possession and sexual exclusivity tend to define the early stages of a relationship. ESPECIALLY for men. "

Really?

Really ?

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

Has someone just finished a sociology degree or something?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Neanderthals may have a need to possess. 21st century man moved on with the times

The more intelligent he became, the more he realised that women these days, don't need him for sex or for financial support. Being clever, he realised quickly that providing her with a stable relationship will get him what he desires most; a constant supply of f**ks

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By *lowercandyWoman over a year ago

Lancashire

I'm doing nothing to get no one :/

I've learnt that I can be me and the better the connection the better I am!

And as for kinky....well what I think is you may not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" As said, those who seem to think because they fuck men, it means they get them.

Works the other way too. Unless you don't meet women?"

of course it does

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Neanderthals may have a need to possess. 21st century man moved on with the times

21st century man...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its an unrealistic expectation...precisely because possession and sexual exclusivity tend to define the early stages of a relationship. ESPECIALLY for men.

Really?

Really ?

You sound like a sycophant. I dont value your opinion.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

" As said, those who seem to think because they fuck men, it means they get them.

Works the other way too. Unless you don't meet women?

of course it does"

So at 27 you know how ALL women work?

Yet those of us who've had several relationships with men, some over 20 years long, know nothing about men.

If you want to call anyone delusional it should be yourself.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

Sorry, just getting my hair and makeup done before the male comes home ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shortened it, but basically said this behaviour from women does not mean they want a relationship. Talking in between action and you get a picture of what exactly? That's normal.

So you feel that an intimate conversation in between action suggests they want something more substancial?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Sorry, just getting my hair and makeup done before the male comes home ...."

Don't forget to bat your eyelids, act all demure and helpless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shortened it, but basically said this behaviour from women does not mean they want a relationship. Talking in between action and you get a picture of what exactly? That's normal.

So you feel that an intimate conversation in between action suggests they want something more substancial? "

No. Perhaps, I didnt word it well. I mean people will tell me about their lives or their other experiences and I deduce that they likely want a relationship. Its not about myself, it could be with whoever they deem most compatible...but, ultimately they want something more than what they claim.

What does kinda blow my mind is the fact that what I am saying not exactly unsubstantiated opinion.

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By *r RPDMan over a year ago

Around Worcester

"Not at all. I was with my ex for 11 yrs, he was the most boring person in the bedroom department . I could only let my kink out whilst playing alone.

Did you atleast try new things to spice up the relationship.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

There are lots of reasons women do this. To put the man at ease .... to be generally chatty. For goodness sake, one of my fuck buddies said he wanted to have a child with me .... but I didn't take him seriously. I chat shit to people like that on meets, I tell people 'personal' stuff that works at the time. You really have to get over yourself, thinking everyone wants a relationship with you ....

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"and I deduce that they likely want a relationship. "

But you might be wrong, you might assume every woman is helpless and desperate for a man.

Your deductions/assumptions might be wrong.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

"and I deduce that they likely want a relationship.

But you might be wrong, you might assume every woman is helpless and desperate for a man.

Your deductions/assumptions might be wrong."

They are playing you. Take it from me.

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By *litterbabeWoman over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

"I would hope that nobody of any gender does things sexually just to keep their partner happy.

I know plenty of very kinky women who are that way regardless of who is their partner, or whether they have a partner at a given time.

This.... so much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shortened it, but basically said this behaviour from women does not mean they want a relationship. Talking in between action and you get a picture of what exactly? That's normal.

So you feel that an intimate conversation in between action suggests they want something more substancial?

What does kinda blow my mind is the fact that what I am saying not exactly unsubstantiated opinion. "

I would worry if they text you every other day after the event, and start questioning you about your other conquests and getting possessive. But I don't think you should deduce that a bit of personal chat particularly means anything. And people talk a hell of a lot of crap when caught in a moment of passion. Then it's out of sight out mind until next time. Just enjoy the experience for what it's worth, and don't worry about these things. As you said nobody has actually done anything specific to suggest they want a relationship.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My sexuality is not based on who I am with, I have always been kinky. Boy and I get kinkier the more we play, it evolves each time. Can't imagine a vanilla lifestyle with anyone would bore the tits off me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My kink is entirely solitary. My partner would never understand. It's reserved for my bedroom only.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its an unrealistic expectation...precisely because possession and sexual exclusivity tend to define the early stages of a relationship. ESPECIALLY for men.

Really?

Really ?

You sound like a sycophant. I dont value your opinion."

So who's opinion do you value?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There are lots of reasons women do this. To put the man at ease .... to be generally chatty. For goodness sake, one of my fuck buddies said he wanted to have a child with me .... but I didn't take him seriously. I chat shit to people like that on meets, I tell people 'personal' stuff that works at the time. You really have to get over yourself, thinking everyone wants a relationship with you .... "

From these posts it seems that you lie...alot. Thats not healthy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

From these posts it seems that you lie...alot. Thats not healthy."

Just like classy said, its sex talk ... why not when its nsa., why not have a go and get personal with someone else now, not just me, or my OH will get jealous

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah I had a guy tell me he was going to breed me. Did I believe him? Course I didn't! My main playmate often tells me that he loves me in the moment of passion. Then I don't hear from him for yonks and we both pursue fun with other playmates. I'm not supposed to believe this stuff!

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By *ndigo40Woman over a year ago

secret town

Been single 17yrs

Can't have a man around me do my head In

But I have needs and a man for a few hours now and again is fine, couldn't live with one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I actually think the opposite. The bedroom is where honesty truly resides. Hence how alot of the race related expectations or desire mentioned here...would NEVER be mentioned by the same people in public.

Besides, when someone is telling me they love meeting multiple different guys ever week and then also tell me that they're on anti-depresssants and suffering distinct bouts of loneliness...I often ask whether their lifestyle may really be whats best for them. Of course, I wont judge...but I have had it alot. Keep in mind, these women never told me that they actually wanted relationships. Never. But it was clear they were not happy with their love lives, any remotely clairvoyant individual could deduce it.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

People say all sorts of things at the height of passion. Atheists start mumbling about God

. I don't think they really mean it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

With regards to conversations in between sex... i find that i open up (pun intended!) on meets, it's therapeutic. There's something to be said about a guilt free chat with a stranger. I'm already in a relationship, the conversations during meets have no bearing on this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Honesty truly resides in the bedroom

Good luck with that

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

I would say it wouldn't be a relationship that solves mental health issues ... let alone one with someone from a swinging site. Depression and or loneliness can't be cured by a relationship, even with a 'perfect' man. I think I am going to give up on this one .... it's not going in ... in twenty years maybe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

From these posts it seems that you lie...alot. Thats not healthy.

Just like classy said, its sex talk ... why not when its nsa., why not have a go and get personal with someone else now, not just me, or my OH will get jealous"

There is "sex talk" and lying, you're doing the latter. Even from your posts here, you genuinely seem kinda all over the place.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's true. That is a bit too personal, and reasonable to deduce they might have issues that need resolving. I don't think that's reflective of the swing scene though, or reason to believe that women on Fab are looking for relationships.

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By *awandOrder OP Couple over a year ago

SW London

From these posts it seems that you lie...alot. Thats not healthy.

Just like classy said, its sex talk ... why not when its nsa., why not have a go and get personal with someone else now, not just me, or my OH will get jealous

There is "sex talk" and lying, you're doing the latter. Even from your posts here, you genuinely seem kinda all over the place."

Okay, is that you getting personal again? I am not, trust me. I am not lonely, needy, depressed or hungry for the attention of a man. I am just ill in bed with a cold and chest infection and forbidden to leave the house so bored. I always like a good discussion, as those who have met me will attest .... getting personal wont help your cause, whatever it is, people know my posts and my opinions on most things. I don't get intimidated by men trying to pull the emotional card ... remember, I eat bulls for breakfast

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You're right, they dont. But there is a marked correlation between companionship and mental health. We're social creatures and thus we need social inclusion to be healthy. This is just...fact. No, a love life wont cure mental issues, but I wont pretend for a second that seeking multiple different partners ad nauseum has an affect on ones mind, especially in women.

Hence why I tend to find I read profiles and most tend to claim they value "quality over quantity".

Also age is no sign of intelligence or wisdom, plenty of 40 year old buffoons out here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe I am wrong then. But I like engaging with the people I meet. On a personal level, I've always had a rule that I never fuck people that I cant have a good conversation with.

Thing is, you tend to learn a interesting amount about people from a good conversation. Its not about them wanting relationships with me, but as I said in the very first post about this topic, I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"There is "sex talk" and lying, you're doing the latter. Even from your posts here, you genuinely seem kinda all over the place."

Where you there? Did you hear it? How do you know they are lying? Did you deduce it?

It'll be an unpleasant lesson to learn but you don't know everything.

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

Maybe I am wrong then. But I like engaging with the people I meet. On a personal level, I've always had a rule that I never fuck people that I cant have a good conversation with.

I have never cancelled a meet nor had one cancelled on me. Maybe they are reading your posts on the forum and changing their minds ....

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Maybe I am wrong then. But I like engaging with the people I meet. On a personal level, I've always had a rule that I never fuck people that I cant have a good conversation with.

I have never cancelled a meet nor had one cancelled on me. Maybe they are reading your posts on the forum and changing their minds .... "

They are probably thankful of a lucky escape

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"There is "sex talk" and lying, you're doing the latter. Even from your posts here, you genuinely seem kinda all over the place.

Where you there? Did you hear it? How do you know they are lying? Did you deduce it?

It'll be an unpleasant lesson to learn but you don't know everything."

I was just wondering the same myself ...

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"but I wont pretend for a second that seeking multiple different partners ad nauseum has an affect on ones mind, especially in women."

Did I read that right?

Women can't handle having lots of sexual partners?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have we worked out if women are kinky yet?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe I am wrong then. But I like engaging with the people I meet. On a personal level, I've always had a rule that I never fuck people that I cant have a good conversation with.

I have never cancelled a meet nor had one cancelled on me. Maybe they are reading your posts on the forum and changing their minds .... "

No they're not.

I have not been posting on the forum, and even if they had if one thinks that cancelling on the day/an hour before a meet is justifiable because of disagreeable forum posts then...

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"but I wont pretend for a second that seeking multiple different partners ad nauseum has an affect on ones mind, especially in women.

Did I read that right?

Women can't handle having lots of sexual partners?"

That's right, whilst they are waiting and striving for the right man to come along ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but I wont pretend for a second that seeking multiple different partners ad nauseum has an affect on ones mind, especially in women.

Did I read that right?

Women can't handle having lots of sexual partners?"

N.O.P.E

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Have we worked out if women are kinky yet?"

Don't know 'about that but it seems that we are non-entities

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have we worked out if women are kinky yet?

Don't know 'about that but it seems that we are non-entities"

That's dissapointing .

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By *egasus NobMan over a year ago

Wandsworth

I've always found women to be the kinkier sex, men on the other hand can be disgusting or filthier.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic. "

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"but I wont pretend for a second that seeking multiple different partners ad nauseum has an affect on ones mind, especially in women.

Did I read that right?

Women can't handle having lots of sexual partners?

Oh my god. Oh so this backs up the theory that we are all here to find a man, but so tucked up by the time we find a good one, that we are no use to anyone

N.O.P.E"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

I will take looks over personality if I want a dial a cock quick shag,.... not for a relationship though. Hey wait a minute, I am sounding like a man now .... I wouldn't date any man I met on here

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please. "

She didn't say good looking; you 'deduced' that too

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please. "

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it"

yeah lets pretend as if "gym body" and "gym fit" is not a thing. Lets also pretend that a guy who is in shape is not about 20 times more likely to be in better shape than someone who doesnt.

This is what I mean, you're so desperate to feel better about your decision and get pats on the back from the rest of your clique friends that you'll compromise your own stance.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please. "

As you like to say. read what I said, I did not say "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

What I'm politely trying to say is that loads of women will not find you attractive. Personally I can't stand the 'meathead' look and mentality.

So you will know nothing about how loads of women think, feel and operate. Because you're not our type.

Anyone's sample of the opposite sex is limited to those they can interact with.

You do NOT know everything about women and to suggest you do is arrogant nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it

yeah lets pretend as if "gym body" and "gym fit" is not a thing. Lets also pretend that a guy who is in shape is not about 20 times more likely to be in better shape than someone who doesnt.

This is what I mean, you're so desperate to feel better about your decision and get pats on the back from the rest of your clique friends that you'll compromise your own stance. "

eugh, that was meant to "more fit than someone who doesnt".

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

Oh and I don't feign anything, what you see is what I am

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it

yeah lets pretend as if "gym body" and "gym fit" is not a thing. Lets also pretend that a guy who is in shape is not about 20 times more likely to be in better shape than someone who doesnt.

This is what I mean, you're so desperate to feel better about your decision and get pats on the back from the rest of your clique friends that you'll compromise your own stance. "

P, you joined THE clique?

Put in a good word for me too

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it

yeah lets pretend as if "gym body" and "gym fit" is not a thing. Lets also pretend that a guy who is in shape is not about 20 times more likely to be in better shape than someone who doesnt.

This is what I mean, you're so desperate to feel better about your decision and get pats on the back from the rest of your clique friends that you'll compromise your own stance. "

Once again, I am not in the clique and I am also not attracted to that look either .... doesn't do it for me, sorry

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it

yeah lets pretend as if "gym body" and "gym fit" is not a thing. Lets also pretend that a guy who is in shape is not about 20 times more likely to be in better shape than someone who doesnt.

This is what I mean, you're so desperate to feel better about your decision and get pats on the back from the rest of your clique friends that you'll compromise your own stance.

P, you joined THE clique?

Put in a good word for me too

Bloody hell, first I have heard of it. Normally I am pizzing them off and dealing with the consequences

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

As you like to say. read what I said, I did not say "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

What I'm politely trying to say is that loads of women will not find you attractive. Personally I can't stand the 'meathead' look and mentality.

So you will know nothing about how loads of women think, feel and operate. Because you're not our type.

Anyone's sample of the opposite sex is limited to those they can interact with.

You do NOT know everything about women and to suggest you do is arrogant nonsense

This has nothing to do with looks. You attribute looks to ones personality where they really dont have a ton of correlation. I have feeling you just wanted to comment on my body...but once again, I dont see how it pertains to the conversation. And I definitely dont like the idea that there is a "type" of woman who goes for "meatheads". Its an incredibly misogynistic way to think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it

yeah lets pretend as if "gym body" and "gym fit" is not a thing. Lets also pretend that a guy who is in shape is not about 20 times more likely to be in better shape than someone who doesnt.

This is what I mean, you're so desperate to feel better about your decision and get pats on the back from the rest of your clique friends that you'll compromise your own stance.

Once again, I am not in the clique and I am also not attracted to that look either .... doesn't do it for me, sorry "

Who cares about the look that you're attracted to? What does it have to do with this conversation?

I cant tell whether you're trying to imply that men who go to the gym all think the same way or that you're actually trying to imply that I value your input about your sexual desires. I don't. At all.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"What I'm politely trying to say is that loads of women will not find you attractive. Personally I can't stand the 'meathead' look and mentality.

So you will know nothing about how loads of women think, feel and operate. Because you're not our type.

Anyone's sample of the opposite sex is limited to those they can interact with.

You do NOT know everything about women and to suggest you do is arrogant nonsense

No I don't. I'm saying there will be some women who find you attractive and a lot who won't.

So your basis for knowing about women is based solely on the women who will interact with you. Not all women.

Nothing was said about looks and personality having a correlation. Please stop deducing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well I married a kinky bitch so I can vouch for one. We've met a few, so she's not alone.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"What I'm politely trying to say is that loads of women will not find you attractive. Personally I can't stand the 'meathead' look and mentality.

So you will know nothing about how loads of women think, feel and operate. Because you're not our type.

Anyone's sample of the opposite sex is limited to those they can interact with.

You do NOT know everything about women and to suggest you do is arrogant nonsense

No I don't. I'm saying there will be some women who find you attractive and a lot who won't.

So your basis for knowing about women is based solely on the women who will interact with you. Not all women.

Nothing was said about looks and personality having a correlation. Please stop deducing

Please don't ask him to stop deducing. This thread won't be half as much fun then

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"I dont think single women are cut out for swinging and most of my disappointments (in terms of canceled meets/lack of clarity about the situation) have come from the demographic.

Maybe it's the type of women you attract?

Those that are attracted to the gym body men would tend to be those who seek looks over personality, I would deduce

Dont lower the conversation to that shallow rubbish in attempt to feign moral superiority. "Anyone who dates good looking/fit people is just shallow!!"

Oh please.

It depends on your definition of 'good looking/fit' though doesn't it

yeah lets pretend as if "gym body" and "gym fit" is not a thing. Lets also pretend that a guy who is in shape is not about 20 times more likely to be in better shape than someone who doesnt.

This is what I mean, you're so desperate to feel better about your decision and get pats on the back from the rest of your clique friends that you'll compromise your own stance.

Once again, I am not in the clique and I am also not attracted to that look either .... doesn't do it for me, sorry

Who cares about the look that you're attracted to? What does it have to do with this conversation?

I can voice my opinion, its not just to you, so don't try to bully me into being quiet as it wont work. I dont care if you think I am in some clique because that really isn't relevant now is it, talking or relevance here. This thread is about men's outdated views on women and now the stereotypes each adheres to or falls into. You are talking your self frantically into a corner there you know

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"I cant tell whether you're trying to imply that men who go to the gym all think the same way or that you're actually trying to imply that I value your input about your sexual desires. I don't. At all."

I'm not trying to imply anything. I'm being as clear as I can. Not all women will fancy you and the look you work to achieve.

Therefore you will not know what all women are like and cannot keep deducing you know everything about women.

If you could see that you don't know all women because you've never interacted with a whole bunch of us then this would be a lot easier.

And I'm really not interested in you, as I'm sure you're not in me. But I'm cool with it

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

Is that even possible? Could anyone sustain a lifetime or however long of a sexuality that wasn't their own to keep a partner?

It seems some men think it is .... women revolve around men, apparently their life has no meaning without men?!"

Lol

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Please don't ask him to stop deducing. This thread won't be half as much fun then"

Oooops, sorry

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

I'm not trying to imply anything. I'm being as clear as I can. Not all women will fancy you and the look you work to achieve.

Therefore you will not know what all women are like and cannot keep deducing you know everything about women.

If you could see that you don't know all women because you've never interacted with a whole bunch of us then this would be a lot easier.

And I'm really not interested in you, as I'm sure you're not in me. But I'm cool with it

Sorry kink, thought he was having a go at me, but maybe he can't tell us apart either ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its an unrealistic expectation...precisely because possession and sexual exclusivity tend to define the early stages of a relationship. ESPECIALLY for men.

Really?

Really ?

You sound like a sycophant. I dont value your opinion.

So who's opinion do you value? "

Guess that's a no then.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Sorry kink, thought he was having a go at me, but maybe he can't tell us apart either ...."

Yes, I could be the top and you could be the bottom

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Its an unrealistic expectation...precisely because possession and sexual exclusivity tend to define the early stages of a relationship. ESPECIALLY for men.

Really?

Really ?

You sound like a sycophant. I dont value your opinion."

And nobody values the opinion of a psychopath

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