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By *jandmc OP Couple over a year ago

Lancs

Do you think it unfortunate that there are only two ways of defining the above?

That is, 'bi curious' and 'bisexual'.

Do you feel there should be a third that sits between the two? Something along the lines of ' recreationally bi' ?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Do you think it unfortunate that there are only two ways of defining the above?

That is, 'bi curious' and 'bisexual'.

Do you feel there should be a third that sits between the two? Something along the lines of ' recreationally bi' ?

there is bi capable or bi accessible too

this is where she can if she fancies the woman ..but do not assume it will happen...definitely not just to please the boys .but the signals are right and the atmosphere to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think Bi curious and Bi sexual is enough to go off, don't want anymore options as this will confuse people.

Just because one is Bi does not mean they will or should play with any other Bi, so shouldn't be expected.

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By *prite128Woman over a year ago

maidstone

"there is bi capable or bi accessible too

this is where she can if she fancies the woman ..but do not assume it will happen...definitely not just to please the boys .but the signals are right and the atmosphere to"

interesting point..I'm bisexual ( no curiousity here ! ) but i'm still selective about who i do and dont fancy, in the same way i reckon all of us are, striaght, bi or gay .

So i dont think i'd feel the need to add accessible / capable - thats a given isnt it ?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"I think Bi curious and Bi sexual is enough to go off, don't want anymore options as this will confuse people.

Just because one is Bi does not mean they will or should play with any other Bi, so shouldn't be expected.

i would agree re more labels.. but i personally think this is a special case ...i wonder how many husbands push there wives into bisexuality and they comply just for a quiet life or to please him ...

i hate that concept and if it were made clear with another label that the woman does it because she wants too

rather than goes through the motions as a sexual charade for a voyeuristic husband ..and also that it may not happen or even happen in private ...it does actually help .the singles fems i double up with all use bi capable to signal its not pre ordained

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think Bi curious and Bi sexual is enough to go off, don't want anymore options as this will confuse people.

Just because one is Bi does not mean they will or should play with any other Bi, so shouldn't be expected.

i would agree re more labels.. but i personally think this is a special case ...i wonder how many husbands push there wives into bisexuality and they comply just for a quiet life or to please him ...

i hate that concept and if it were made clear with another label that the woman does it because she wants too

Hmmm, how many would state they go through with it for their partner only? I would think very few as that may put people off, it wouls us, besides I guess if a lady feels pressured then it wont be her creating the profile.

I do see your point but think it's a bit too much, people get confused enough with the two options we have now, lol.

One could be Bi curious for their own curiosity or their partners.

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By *prite128Woman over a year ago

maidstone

i'm probably missing the point here, but i still dont really understand the use of the word capable here...if it applies then surely it applies in all cases.

if you meet someone and you're going as a stright single or couple, would you feel the need to put capable ?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"I think Bi curious and Bi sexual is enough to go off, don't want anymore options as this will confuse people.

Just because one is Bi does not mean they will or should play with any other Bi, so shouldn't be expected.

i would agree re more labels.. but i personally think this is a special case ...i wonder how many husbands push there wives into bisexuality and they comply just for a quiet life or to please him ...

i hate that concept and if it were made clear with another label that the woman does it because she wants too

I do see your point but think it's a bit too much, people get confused enough with the two options we have now, lol.

One could be Bi curious for their own curiosity or their partners.

no i agree but my point is, if there is no bi sex fun on the night,it is not the fault of the wife being pressured .I a way it releases them from that pressure and need to deliver purely for there husbands ,,,we know this happens as i have witnessed various levels of pressure...at which point its normal for me and whoever i am with to leave

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By *prite128Woman over a year ago

maidstone

ok, who's the resident pyschologist here...just noticed i've mistyped "straight" in both my posts - now what's that telling me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ok, who's the resident pyschologist here...just noticed i've mistyped "straight" in both my posts - now what's that telling me!"

I noticed!!

No comment, I think you know what that means yourself. ;-0

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By *prite128Woman over a year ago

maidstone

as i said wayne...no curiousity here !

chuckle x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bi curious is exactly what is says, as is Bi. You can confuse things with theories about some folk playing at bi because of partner pressure but in essence Bi curious and Bi are easily understood terms.

Following the above reasoning Recreationally Bi means you are not Bi curious, as in curious about your feelings and what it would be like to experience bi play.

You are also not Bi as you would already know if you were.

So what we are left with is the daft notion that to make it easier to get a meet someone will offer to be Bi, along the lines of "go on, if you let me fuck your wife I'll suck your cock", it's too ridiculous to ponder and I cannot imagine anyone having the slightest interest in partaking of it.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"i'm probably missing the point here, but i still dont really understand the use of the word capable here...if it applies then surely it applies in all cases.

if you meet someone and you're going as a stright single or couple, would you feel the need to put capable ?

xx"

well no it doesnt, the assumption then is that if you put bisexual its a done deal . just because your bi you will indulge in a bi act with another bi sexual .Bi capable indicates that is not necessarily the case..that attraction and environment has to come into it ...unless you like being gawped at like a pair of performing seals.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i'm probably missing the point here, but i still dont really understand the use of the word capable here...if it applies then surely it applies in all cases.

if you meet someone and you're going as a stright single or couple, would you feel the need to put capable ?

But surely capable is just another complication that really brings very little to the party. Capable in the same way as recreational seems to imply in a rather cold, almost robotic fashion that someone will do the bi thing to make things work.

It's a given that Bi curious and Bi only work when the the combination of moment and person are perfect, so both terms need no further explanations. Anyone who uses capable and recreational or any other such term would always have me wondering if, when they are rug munching or sucking cock, are they doing that because they really want to, or are they doing it to simply keep things ticking along.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"i'm probably missing the point here, but i still dont really understand the use of the word capable here...if it applies then surely it applies in all cases.

if you meet someone and you're going as a stright single or couple, would you feel the need to put capable ?

well maybe you have been lucky and assume that people know that. I suggest that when the male part of a couple sees bi sexual on a profile ...its a done deal for them and its game on .

bi capable -bi accessible ..sends a message that its not automatic and helps to out the male section who purely seek that ...as they always ask what it means and you can explain ...that if we meet it does not necessarily mean that bi fem sex will happen, at that point they lose interest rapidly and move on .

Many men steer and guide what there fem partner do ..some do not want to even swing and do it for a quiet life ..

i always see profiles where the emphasis is primarily on the bi fem act more so than the act of meeting unfortunately the 2 women together thing has become so entwined in the male psyche some guys do not feel they have achieved a good time unless they witness a fem bi act.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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I've heard of another term...Bi selfish where the person does'nt mind a member of the same sex playing with them but won't return the favour lol

I don't know how unusual this is but Rob has never been one of those men who's main aim in life is to see 2 women getting it on,he loves to see me with another guy but knows I love to play with women as well so we incorporate the both into our swinging life

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"I've heard of another term...Bi selfish where the person does'nt mind a member of the same sex playing with them but won't return the favour lol

take a look around the profiles and you can see an ..."over enthusiasm" for bi fem sex ...i put it fwd that its mainly written by the male part of a couple ...with the expectation that as soon as a meet is arranged its definitely game on ..I have witnessed a guy getting angry as his partner did not want to ...at which point we left em to sort it out ...things like this make me personally ashamed sometimes to be a guy ...and i would never put a woman in the pre done deal .

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By *jandmc OP Couple over a year ago

Lancs

Oh yeah! Weve heard of bi-selfish! LOL

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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"I've heard of another term...Bi selfish where the person does'nt mind a member of the same sex playing with them but won't return the favour lol

I know its out there we've spoken to couples where the only thing they want to talk about is the bi fem sex...but there 4 people in the situation and don't like anyone to feel left out male or female.... lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"I've heard of another term...Bi selfish where the person does'nt mind a member of the same sex playing with them but won't return the favour lol

awww your so lovely ....mwah xxxx

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By *adchickCouple over a year ago

Cyprus

I prefer the phrase Playfully bi

It means.........

I'll do it when I want and can be arsed!

lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"I prefer the phrase Playfully bi

It means.........

I'll do it when I want and can be arsed!

lol"

i dont mind what its called but bi sexual although a definate statement of sexuality ...doesnt put the caveats across to the men who are sometimes manic about witnessing it .

another word makes em ask at least and you can then explain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Perhaps simply writing "Bi curious/Bi in the right circumstances and with right person" in a well crafted profile would the right message and therefore avoids any confusion

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Perhaps simply writing "Bi curious/Bi in the right circumstances and with right person" in a well crafted profile would the right message and therefore avoids any confusion

or even bi capable or bi accessible ....lol....

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By *couple412Man over a year ago

faversham

"Ii put it fwd that its mainly written by the male part of a couple ...with the expectation that as soon as a meet is arranged its definitely game on "

Um hate to say this. But that example has nothing to do with bi/straight/bendy/gay/fleixable/curous/confused/experimental/happy/sad/whatever thats just an example of to people who shouldn't be swinging because they haven't talked it through properly!

Any couple that does not talk honestly about what they both want are doomed to faliure as swingers anyway.

As for the fact that there seems to be an "over enthusiasm" for bi fem sex, well to me, there is an easy answer to that.

It's one of a very few acts that seems to manage to be both completley taboo and socially acceptable at the same time.

Two women kiss on TV most are comfortable watching it with reactons ranging from mildly repulsed to increadably turned on - which ever of the above tags they apply to themselves.

Two men kiss and a far higher % are repulsed. I know guys who turn the channel over FFS. These same people dont like the idea of gay/bi women but are far more comfortable watching it.

Now wether thats just becasue they are hypocrits or some other deeper reason i don't know - its a discussion for another thread perhaps. But I believe my overal observation is true.

Anyone agree?

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By *prite128Woman over a year ago

maidstone

""Perhaps simply writing "Bi curious/Bi in the right circumstances and with right person" in a well crafted profile would the right message and therefore avoids any confusion

or even bi capable or bi accessible ....lol...."

me again ...still trying to get my head round this ! So if i just have bisexual on my profile , and dont qualify that its in the right circumstances/capable/accessible I'm implying that i dont have the ability to exercise personal choice at the tome of playing ?

lol i can feel PD's exasperation at my just not getting it - sorry!

sprite - already in an identity crisis from the recent "can singles be swingers" and now not sure if shes bi whatever ! grin xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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""Perhaps simply writing "Bi curious/Bi in the right circumstances and with right person" in a well crafted profile would the right message and therefore avoids any confusion

or even bi capable or bi accessible ....lol....

lol i can feel PD's exasperation at my just not getting it - sorry!

sprite - already in an identity crisis from the recent "can singles be swingers" and now not sure if shes bi whatever ! grin xx

LOL they do this on here.....confuse you so much you don't know where you are or what you're doing lmao

Stick with what you are comfortable with and nothing else xxx

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By *prite128Woman over a year ago

maidstone

lol honey, thankyou x

i'm blaming it on the pain meds i'm on!

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"lol honey, thankyou x

i'm blaming it on the pain meds i'm on! "

hmmm pain meds eh ..,.thats one we havent labelled yet ....anyone got any suggestions ....pmsl...

no the problem is not with you sprite or with fems ...SOME guys ...have a manic preoccupation with witnessing a bi fem encounter and believe if you arrange a meet with another couple or single bifem .That the women will dfinately play together ...what i am saying is that is not necessarily the case ....now you can let em know that in any way you like ..me and my group use the term bi accessible or bi capable ....just to raise the issue so that people know its not an automatic right ...just because a fem is bi...

mr x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you think it unfortunate that there are only two ways of defining the above?

That is, 'bi curious' and 'bisexual'.

Do you feel there should be a third that sits between the two? Something along the lines of ' recreationally bi' ?

Bi-social is a word I have been useing. You can be, if they are.

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By *couple412Man over a year ago

faversham

Well i am going to flummox the lot of you by adding another definition.

My Wife is Bi Critical.

She likes other women... and nags.

A lot!!

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By *prite128Woman over a year ago

maidstone

ok, i think i'm finally getting it .. henry higgins is eternally grateful eh!!

so now we have bi selfish ( certainly have come across that ) and bi critical too - i like that one !!

thanks for your patience PD xx

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"ok, i think i'm finally getting it .. henry higgins is eternally grateful eh!!

so now we have bi selfish ( certainly have come across that ) and bi critical too - i like that one !!

thanks for your patience PD xx"

ok babes...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you think it unfortunate that there are only two ways of defining the above?

That is, 'bi curious' and 'bisexual'.

Do you feel there should be a third that sits between the two? Something along the lines of ' recreationally bi' ?

Bi-social is a word I have been useing. You can be, if they are. "

Considering the part of the country you are in are you guys bi-lingual

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lol, Male is...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

for les it depends on the attraction of the female and how horney she is feeling lol

So we use the term BI PLAYFUL

On the profile

Craig x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"lol, Male is..."

Does that make the fem bi lingual capable, as she is trying to learn. If she can speak some welsh already and is happy to use it is she recreationally bi lingual or if she simply refuses to try to learn is she selfishly bi lingual.............. feck me, this really does open up a whole can of worms

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have been messaged many times by couples with a bisexual female.

We never meet with those where missus sin is not prepared to play with both the male and the female, and not for the reason that has been suggested above - "for the males satisfaction"

Personally we feel that if we reject one of a couple then we reject both, unless they are into the voyeur, cuckold scenario!!

We know that we are all adults here but what a terrible thing to say to others - "Happy to come along and play with your male partner but I will not play with the female too."

We wouldn't be comfortable sending such a message to others and feel that the recipients wouldn't be best pleased either, a polite thanks but no thanks avoids any potential problems.

The above is another reason why we don't meet with couples at present, and haven't done so for quite some time!

PS we have played with straight couples.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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I got another one for when there's no chemistry

Bi Bi lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"I got another one for when there's no chemistry

Bi Bi lol"

he he god your on form today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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"I got another one for when there's no chemistry

Bi Bi lol

he he god your on form today "

Fankoo ver much lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have on our profile that Trace is genuinely Bi and will only meet the same.She doesn't do it just to please the guys,nor will she meet with women who do.

Theres no question of the girls not fancying each other,as thats a prerequisite of the meet anyway.

Most of our meets start with the girls going up on their own to get aquainted anyway,so a G/G show,just for the guys,doesn't come into it.

As for the women who pretend to be Bi,believe me,there is a difference. Chances are,unless your very good, you'll be found out.

Trace & Ric

XXXX

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

OP you are right - there is surely need for a category in between so we go along 100% with _adchick and harrison on this one

Bi-Playful is what we feel is needed to complete the list of 'biversity' just like the OP said

We've posted this before on this forum we think, but here goes again

Straight - A person only interested in opposite sex relationships and encounters.

Bi-Curious - A person who primarily identifies as straight, but has an interest in trying same sex encounters and/or relationships, though they have never tried. Once you have tried, by definition you can no longer be *curious,* you either are straight or you move on to one of the following.

Bi-Playful - A person who is primarily straight, especially in the respect of relationships, but who enjoys same sex encounters in a group sex situation

Bi-Sexual - A Person who enjoys both same sex and opposite sex relationships and encounters, not necessarily to an equal extent. A truly bisexual person would consider a relationship with persons of either sex.

Homosexual (Gay Lesbian) - a person who is only interested in same sex relationships and encounters.

If one is truly enlightened in their thinking then they will also realise that there are bi-curious or bi-playful people from the opposite end of the spectrum...... those who identify primarily homosexual but who are interested in trying, or enjoy, opposite sex encounters as part of a group sex situation. They seem rather a rare breed, although we are convinced that they exist.

So how's that lot sound?

PS We also loved Polo's word 'straightish' which we think is about the same as bi-playful, but a much more male ego friendly term lol

xxx

J&R

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think Bi uncertain, or Bi notyetconclusive, or even Biprovidedthesunmoonandstartsarelinedupandmyperiodisatleast3weeksaway is probably the way ahead for some on here.........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't see the point in this 'bi-playful' malarky. Surely in terms of SWINGING and not relationships (which is what this site is for) it is just down to whether you play with the same sex when on a meet, and thats it! Who cares what they get up to in their relationships.

On that note I think the system is fine:

Straight - you only play with the opposite sex on a meet.

Curious - you like the idea of playing with the same sex on a meet but haven't tried.

Bi - you play with the same sex on a meet.

Gay - you only play with your own sex.

Where's the need for Bi-playful? I really don't get it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't see the point in this 'bi-playful' malarky. Surely in terms of SWINGING and not relationships (which is what this site is for) it is just down to whether you play with the same sex when on a meet, and thats it! Who cares what they get up to in their relationships.

On that note I think the system is fine:

Straight - you only play with the opposite sex on a meet.

Curious - you like the idea of playing with the same sex on a meet but haven't tried.

Bi - you play with the same sex on a meet.

Gay - you only play with your own sex.

Where's the need for Bi-playful? I really don't get it..."

You may not get it but I suspect someone is about to correct you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On that note I think the system is fine:

Straight - you only play with the opposite sex on a meet.

Curious - you like the idea of playing with the same sex on a meet but haven't tried.

Bi - you play with the same sex on a meet.

Gay - you only play with your own sex.

Where's the need for Bi-playful? I really don't get it...

You may not get it but I suspect someone is about to correct you

Why? Because essentially this about that fact that some people are bi, but don't necessarily play that way all the time, and that is fair enough. Doesn't make them any less bi!

People may have anal on their profile, doesn't mean it has to happen if you meet them. Doesn't mean that if someone turns up with a cock so big she fears it may hurt her she can't say no. Does that mean we now need to have anally-playful as well?

I think I didn't really mean to say I don't get it, because actually I do, just think I was lightening the load on the fact I think its all a bit OTT...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On that note I think the system is fine:

Straight - you only play with the opposite sex on a meet.

Curious - you like the idea of playing with the same sex on a meet but haven't tried.

Bi - you play with the same sex on a meet.

Gay - you only play with your own sex.

Where's the need for Bi-playful? I really don't get it..."

Bi-Playful sounds like a conscience easing exercise,for guys unwilling to admit to themselves that they're Bi.

On the other hand it could also be attributed to women by husbands coercing them into Bisexual acts,primarily for the husbands pleasure.

Trace & Ric

XXXX

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By *Y MAN n MECouple over a year ago

FIFE

Well I think a good discription is "BI PLAYFUL" which could apply to guys and girls, that is how i would discribe myself, I love the attention of guys but also love the touch and snogability of girls if that makes sense.

But its not the be all and end all of the fun we have.XX H

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's bicycle too.... which basically means a bi woman who will play with any woman hehehe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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"There's bicycle too.... which basically means a bi woman who will play with any woman hehehe"

Hahaha I think I met one the other week!! No woman was safe from her,it got to the point of running away and hiding :D

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i str8 fem n prefer cock but i do sumtimes like fem to fem touching n playing (if both attracted in a 4 sum situation)although i have tried pussy n not that keen lol but do like to receive but have to say the term *bi selfish* is ott! not good being labelled in boxes n mho so will carry on with what im comfy with thanx!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lyn is bi but she has found there are 4 types of bi

bi curious- dabblers either to satisfy own or partners satisfaction,

bi givers - give pleasure to both sexes,

bi receivers - receive from both sexes,

bi - enjoy sex from either sex both giving and receiving

but we have found you meet a woman saying she is bi curious she will lie back and just wants to be played with sort of selfish we think !!!!!

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By *uiceypeachesWoman over a year ago

bumfucknowhere

"lyn is bi but she has found there are 4 types of bi

bi curious- dabblers either to satisfy own or partners satisfaction,

bi givers - give pleasure to both sexes,

bi receivers - receive from both sexes,

bi - enjoy sex from either sex both giving and receiving

but we have found you meet a woman saying she is bi curious she will lie back and just wants to be played with sort of selfish we think !!!!!

Would you say that there were sub catergorys such as

Bi receiver (Kisseing/fondling/oral sex)that is also bi curious (but only receprecates with kisses and fondling without being into returning oral sex)

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"i'm probably missing the point here, but i still dont really understand the use of the word capable here...if it applies then surely it applies in all cases.

if you meet someone and you're going as a stright single or couple, would you feel the need to put capable ?

if your hetrosexual do you sleep with just anyone. so why sould someone who is bi expected to be with someone just because they are both bi

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i'm probably missing the point here, but i still dont really understand the use of the word capable here...if it applies then surely it applies in all cases.

if you meet someone and you're going as a stright single or couple, would you feel the need to put capable ?

if your hetrosexual do you sleep with just anyone. so why sould someone who is bi expected to be with someone just because they are both bi"

But if you were hetero would you also be swing capable or swing potential or swing unlikely or even swing denial........

Some folk really do need to get out a bit more

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By *ebzStarWoman over a year ago

Notting

More blimmin labels!!!

I am Bi - i love to give and receive from both sexes.

BUT - its not a sure bet that things will go ahead if i dont fancy.

That goes for the man aswell as the woman.

If i meet man, woman or couple - i have to fancy all parties to play. Where does it say that just cos i am Bi that its a done deal???

Again i think its all down to communication between all parties involved.

There - thats my 2p xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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Its a wonder any of us actually find people we're compatible with lol

Ive got a label....its says £4.99

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By *ebzStarWoman over a year ago

Notting

"Its a wonder any of us actually find people we're compatible with lol

Ive got a label....its says £4.99

Hmmm, very tasty and affordable, wink wink lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Deb,

You are not even sure what goes on under your own roof..............

"I am Bi - i love to give and receive from both sexes.

BUT - its not a sure bet that things will go ahead if i dont fancy."

And that is different from normal life, let alone swinging how??????????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BIER BEWARE !!!

Some of these above comments do seem to suggest that - if it's written on your profile - then it's a non-negotiable contract !!

Perhaps we have reached the point in time where penalty clauses would be helpful? - awaits suitable suggestions ! lol

As an afterthought - those with the Gang Bang option ticked best make it absolutely clear which part of the couple this applies to or you may have several nasty surprises on the way lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Having read this thread, it seems that many comments and replies state that sex between women will only take place if theres an attraction.

Surely this is a foregone conclusion as your hardly likely to meet or instigate sex with someone you're not attracted to in the first place are you?

I know we don't meet anyone we're not willing to have sex with.We thought that was the name of the game??

Trace & Ric

XXXX

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I am situationaly-bi. If the situation is right (horny enough) people become genderless… yes one tongue/hand/fingers in a group is just as good as another.

I argued for years that I wasn’t bi and gave up in the end as people kept catching me with a woman between my legs… they seemed to think sexuality was as black and white as that.

In terms of my sexuality I am straight (no matter what anyone wants to say – I know my own sexuality). Sexuality is far more complex that who has a tongue in your foo-foo… but too many people just don’t understand that and think sexuality is resolutely defined by physical acts.

If our sexuality is defined purely by the acts of sexual enjoyment we choose, what the fuck is someone who uses toys a lot? Electrosexual? Dildosexual? Latexual?

Sharing a double ender with another woman doesn’t mean I am sharing a physical attraction with her (or the dildo)… it means I am sharing a physical sensation (along with a mental buzz because it is rather naughty). Yes I do get a mental buzz and yes I do find it exciting, just the same as a couple getting a buzz from having sex somewhere they shouldn’t, risking being caught, being watched or any other number of ways people get a thrill.

The problem is, if I put that I am straight on my profile people will assume I will not want any female contact whilst playing, which is not the case… and why should the hubby get the best deal! So I have ‘bi’ on my profile as enjoy playing with couples and having the attention of both partners… what attention I will give to the wifey is unknown until I am in the situation.

When I start talking to a couple the first thing I explain is my sexuality.

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By *exeteraWoman over a year ago

Bridgend

Why do we always strive to add labels?

I think bi-curious/bisexual should suffice. Wheteher we are straight, bi, tv, cd or whatever else surely it is never a done deal that we will follow through, as far as I'm concerned there has to be chemistry first and foremost. Just because I'm a single female doesn't mean I'll fuck every guy I meet and the same goes for all sexual preferences.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lucy,

Stop trying to introduce common sense into the debate, you will simply add more confusion for those who are already confused enough

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By *erendipityWoman over a year ago

Hertfordshire

"Do you think it unfortunate that there are only two ways of defining the above?

That is, 'bi curious' and 'bisexual'.

Do you feel there should be a third that sits between the two? Something along the lines of ' recreationally bi' ?

I think there's a lot that sits between the two (I describe myself as a bi dabbler for instance but would need to expand on it for clarity) - but as with all sexual preferences, there's a "heading" and then there are the things that you like within that e.g.

- Looking for threesomes

For some people, that seems to mean looking for three people to all have sex with each other, for some it seems means a woman to "do the mrs while I watch".

It's all just a prelude to a conversation about what people do/don't want from a meet. Being able to tick boxes to Nth degree would be pretty dull!

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

@polo

So would you class yourself as 'bi-playful'? as various of us suggested on this thread, as to me you sure sound like you are.

From my (judy) point of view, when we started swinging my sexual interest in other fems was a one of the prime motivations. I'm way beyond being curious now, but I have to fancy another woman for it to feel right - it's a physical rather than an emotional thing for me - which is why I feel I am not best described as bisexual

xxx

J&R

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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I would have thought that in swinging you're not looking for any emotional feelings...well im not lol

Therefore its all physical for us, the emotional side of our sex life is for each other

I have to fancy both men or women to want to play with them,but fell in love with a man emotionally yet still class my self as Bi sexual

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok I have read this thread with interest and amazement.

Why would you want to complicate a simple thing with numerous catagories.

If you are straight, it is a given that you are straight...however cross over to bi sexuality and suddenly there are a million variations.

Surely ( and this is just my opinion and i will await the backlash lol), if you enjoy sex with women, no matter how seldom or in what scenario, then you are bi sexual. I will taken it as given that you will only have sex with a person who floats your boat no different to whether you are straight, bi or gay.

Bi curious I can also get, as until you try it you dont know. However once again if you do and are attracted to same sex then you are bi....end of, and simple.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again please try to avoid the common sense approach as it will never catch on................. but firmly with you on this one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

lol, noted

Will go back to being as mad as a box of frogs and refrain from using the common sense ( which is way too overated lol)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok I have read this thread with interest and amazement.

Why would you want to complicate a simple thing with numerous catagories.

If you are straight, it is a given that you are straight...however cross over to bi sexuality and suddenly there are a million variations.

Bi curious I can also get, as until you try it you dont know. However once again if you do and are attracted to same sex then you are bi....end of, and simple.

I agree with what you say. I'm no longer bi curious and class myself as bi sexual.

well done...could not av described it better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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The thing is on here every thing is over analysed to the point where you're left feeling that you hav'nt a clue what you thought you were in the first place

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"The thing is on here every thing is over analysed to the point where you're left feeling that you hav'nt a clue what you thought you were in the first place

sre you allowed to say that ......pmsl ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

no comment x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The thing is on here every thing is over analysed to the point where you're left feeling that you hav'nt a clue what you thought you were in the first place

I feel certain that someone will offer too straighten you out, with a tongue in cheek of course !!!

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

If you are straight, it is a given that you are straight...however cross over to bi sexuality and suddenly there are a million variations.

Yep, that's called Biversity

xxx

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Ok I have read this thread with interest and amazement.

Why would you want to complicate a simple thing with numerous catagories.

If you are straight, it is a given that you are straight...however cross over to bi sexuality and suddenly there are a million variations.

Bi curious I can also get, as until you try it you dont know. However once again if you do and are attracted to same sex then you are bi....end of, and simple.

I am not attracted to women... as in I never look at a woman and think "phwarrr I fancy some with her". So am I bi or straight?

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

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"@polo

So would you class yourself as 'bi-playful'? as various of us suggested on this thread, as to me you sure sound like you are.

Nope ... because I have only really encountered the term used on here and one other site's forum and it was not widely used... so I don't really like the term lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok I have read this thread with interest and amazement.

Why would you want to complicate a simple thing with numerous catagories.

If you are straight, it is a given that you are straight...however cross over to bi sexuality and suddenly there are a million variations.

Bi curious I can also get, as until you try it you dont know. However once again if you do and are attracted to same sex then you are bi....end of, and simple.

I am not attracted to women... as in I never look at a woman and think "phwarrr I fancy some with her". So am I bi or straight?"

If you have no interest and never have had any interest with regards having sex with other women you are straight.

If you are wondering about sex with other women, or are in the early stages of discovery with regards to sex with other women then you are are bi curious.

If you find that having sex with other women in any context, ff or mff or mmff etc etc comes naturally and without any feelings of complication then you are bi.

Probably way to simplistic for some folk but I suspect it's about right for the modern swinging world and it's very simplicity allows it to be fully understood by most.

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

In a simple world, through simple eyes, yes it is probably right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Agree to a point as Ju here is Bi but only as and when the girls actually 'click' its not everytime by all means...

we do however talk over things well before with others so theres no mis-understandings... It did cause an issue once though where we were at a small party... Ju was happy playing with one fem when another asked her in a nasty way.. 'well are you Bi or not' She replied yes but not with everyone or anyone... the other fem got the right hump..

Nothings perfect eh.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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"Agree to a point as Ju here is Bi but only as and when the girls actually 'click' its not everytime by all means...

Nothings perfect eh..... "

No-one would dream of questioning your sexuality if you were straight and chose to play with one guy rather than another

its about who you fancy and who you dont surely? male or female?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No-one would dream of questioning your sexuality if you were straight and chose to play with one guy rather than another

its about who you fancy and who you dont surely? male or female? "

You'd think so... x

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Ok I have read this thread with interest and amazement.

Why would you want to complicate a simple thing with numerous catagories.

If you are straight, it is a given that you are straight...however cross over to bi sexuality and suddenly there are a million variations.

Bi curious I can also get, as until you try it you dont know. However once again if you do and are attracted to same sex then you are bi....end of, and simple.

I am not attracted to women... as in I never look at a woman and think "phwarrr I fancy some with her". So am I bi or straight?

If you have no interest and never have had any interest with regards having sex with other women you are straight.

If you are wondering about sex with other women, or are in the early stages of discovery with regards to sex with other women then you are are bi curious.

If you find that having sex with other women in any context, ff or mff or mmff etc etc comes naturally and without any feelings of complication then you are bi.

Probably way to simplistic for some folk but I suspect it's about right for the modern swinging world and it's very simplicity allows it to be fully understood by most."

And a bit too definative ...so if you step over the mark and try having been curious...you are ...

ok ..so what if you have, moods where you do not wish too ..or even if its marginal ....your massive preference is for your own sex ...but if the environment ,atmosphere ,person were right you would hove no objection ...but do not actively seek .?

just a thought

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As predicted, for some the simplicity of the theory is a complication in it's self, thankfully for most of us it's easy peasy lemon squeezy

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

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"As predicted, for some the simplicity of the theory is a complication in it's self, thankfully for most of us it's easy peasy lemon squeezy

Well they do say ignorance is bliss

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"As predicted, for some the simplicity of the theory is a complication in it's self, thankfully for most of us it's easy peasy lemon squeezy

well the wheel used to be simple but it didnt stop us putting a car on top of it or even an aircraft ...ist it evolution

the same way a swinging was a 1 day a year thing in the middle ages or in the 70s car keys in a pot ?

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

In terms of actual sexuality, it may be easier for some people to think of it as a continuum (rather than a few restrictive compartments) with totally heterosexual at one extreme and totally homosexual at the other… truly 50/50 bisexual would be in the middle.

Hetro ]------------------------------------------------------------[Homo

Then rather than thinking of us all having a static place to sit on the continuum, think of our positioning being a little more fluid over our lifetimes (some more fluid than others). The influences which move our position will be as varied as the people themselves. A number of serious studies on sexuality have shown female sexuality to be far more fluid than male sexuality.

Then there is the question “is our sexuality defined by our physical acts or our conscious feelings of attraction, whether or not we act on them?”

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"In terms of actual sexuality, it may be easier for some people to think of it as a continuum (rather than a few restrictive compartments) with totally heterosexual at one extreme and totally homosexual at the other… truly 50/50 bisexual would be in the middle.

Hetro ]------------------------------------------------------------[Homo

Then there is the question “is our sexuality defined by our physical acts or our conscious feelings of attraction, whether or not we act on them?”

fully agree ....nice post ...most people see flexability as denial ..whereas it is exactly that ..a woman is free to do as she wants, when she wants, whith whoever she wants ...having done it she can forget the titles she acquired and move back to what she was ....but label with bicurious ,bisexual is a one size fits all word that is too generic ....but hey people can use what they want ...but dont expect a label to be a contract to play that way

just my thoughts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As predicted, for some the simplicity of the theory is a complication in it's self, thankfully for most of us it's easy peasy lemon squeezy

Well they do say ignorance is bliss

I prefer to think of it as simplicity helps avoid confusion or as seems to be the case in question practicality is less pretentious, but hey you two knock yourselves out

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

nice one polo that expresses so well what we were trying to say with words like bi-playful.

Surely your 'continuum' is the 'biniverse' and the sliding fluid scale is our 'biversity' ?

xxxx

J&R

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"As predicted, for some the simplicity of the theory is a complication in it's self, thankfully for most of us it's easy peasy lemon squeezy

Well they do say ignorance is bliss

I prefer to think of it as simplicity helps avoid confusion or as seems to be the case in question practicality is less pretentious, but hey you two knock yourselves out

But ..surely differentiation to accomodate varied sexuality and clear up misunderstanding isnt pretention, its clarity ?.

If one other word is used to say well i am openminded enough to never say never or ..sometimes i do sometimes i dont ...leaves people in no doubt.whats wrong with that , I am sure you as an individual or couple would always give people the option to say ...but some people see the tag bisexual and believe its game on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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Some people see the tag swinger and believe its game on lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but some people see the tag bisexual and believe its game on"

If you genuinely believe that I can only assume you are picking the wrong sort of folk to meet as in the 8 years or so we have been playing we have yet to meet anyone who thinks anything is a given.

In all that time we have found that mature and relevant conversation in company with a large portion of common sense is all that's ever been required to establish the ground rules so maybe you need to review your selection process or simply brush up on your conversational skills

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On my profile I state I am bisexual, to those I know and regularly play with or chat previous to playing with, I say I am an "opportunist". Sex for me is all about having fun with both sexes, as and when the opportunity arises and the desire is there, for me it is an opportunity to mix and match with those I find attractive and appealing to me personally. I don't ever feel intimidated into playing with anyone I don't get this connection with and would never ever be with a couple where the female didn't know me enough to understand my opportunistic label and joke with me about it, it's all about breaking the ice and feeling comfortable and at ease with me before the opportunity to play arises. Never have I been in a situation where anyone feels coerced or under pressure to play.

Likewise I am never expected to meet and get it on immediately...it's all about respect and understanding with all concerned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is this an outbreak of common sense, it will never catch on lol

Nice post miss

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

People once believed the world was flat. It was a simple theory based on a limited understanding of more complex principles… if the world was round surely everything would fall off! Simple hey!

I am sure many people at the time must have thought those who studied the movement of the stars and planets and the natural philosophers where being pretentious when they claimed the Earth was round.

History shows us that people will cling to simple theories because they are all their mind can conceive at that time. History also shows us that simple isn’t always walking hand in hand with accurate.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

""but some people see the tag bisexual and believe its game on"

If you genuinely believe that I can only assume you are picking the wrong sort of folk to meet as in the 8 years or so we have been playing we have yet to meet anyone who thinks anything is a given.

well it does not happen within the group as we use a term as stated, so people say what is that? ..we then are able to explain ...we get people who withdraw ...mainly guys when they know its not an guaranteed bi show ...it helps flush out the Guys within couples who insist on Bi women getting on in front of them to satisfy there particular lust .We have only ever got it wrong once when the husband got agressive because it was not happening .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hey Polo,

Saw a great article on ITN a few days back

http://itn.co.uk/news/11cae8f5c8d41d93a842eddfbfa58813.html

You may want to have a read as what it seems to be advocating does rather contrast with your stance lol

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

@twobonkwith

OK interesting link

To settle this we've just sent an in depth email to Marie Clare at the plain english society outlining both sides of this case and inviting their comments

We await their reply, we will paste our original email and the response as soon as we receive it

xxx

J&R

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"@twobonkwith

OK interesting link

To settle this we've just sent an in depth email to Marie Clare at the plain english society outlining both sides of this case and inviting their comments

We await their reply, we will paste our original email and the response as soon as we receive it

xxx

J&R

lol...thats one they will ponder over ....nice one ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had no idea just how complicated this Straight, Bi Curious and Bi Sexual conundrum was as it would seem we now need to consider the issue of hete

exible and homoflexible as part of the overall equation, have a look at the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-curious

I, as demonstrated through out this thread, am certainly no expert on this matter but this has caused me to become even more confused with regards to bisexuality.

Bi curious seems to be quite clear cut and defined in that

“The term bi-curious implies that the individual has had no sexual experience—or very little—of that sort, but may continue to self-identify as bi-curious if they do not feel they have adequately explored these feelings, or if they do not wish to identify as bisexual.”

However bisexuality now seems to be a combination or sliding scale between hetero and homosexuality with the term bisexual as a sort of catch all to assuage feeling or any sort of sexual identity confusion.

I appreciate I have a penchant for simplification but it seems on the face of it to imply that folk who engage in sexual acts as part of a group, along the lines of MFMF where opposite and same sex fun naturally occurs are heterosexual but consider themselves homoflexible.

However where it’s simply same sex with no opposite sex direct involvement, FF or MM which by its very nature is considered a homosexual act, but there is a pre disposition for those involved to enjoy opposite sex as well the inference is that these folk are homosexual but consider themselves hete

exible.

Looking at the research the confusion seems to lie within the individuals own ability or willingness to sexually identity themselves, hence the cop out with the descriptor bisexual which is only natural as any use of homo within the swing world simply gives rise to the usual bigotry and stereotyping.

If you admit to being sexually attracted to both sexes then the critical point lies at the point of preference, and will determine whether someone is hete

exible or homoflexible and I think this would be a far more relevant addition to peoples profiles than some of the other labels suggested so far. If you accept that attraction, circumstance, ambience etc etc are all need to be in place before any sort of swinging takes place imagine how useful hetero and homo flexible could be.

If, under the current format, you are a bisexual who has a real passion for same sex then you would naturally identify yourself as being hete

exible which would allow others with similar tastes to more easily identify you’re like mindedness which would ensure a more full on experience for both of you. Conversely if you enjoy but can take it or leave it with regards to same sex fun you could describe yourself as homoflexible, which should ensure you are never paired up with the lady in comfy shoes.

Blood and sand but this swinging malarkey is confusing and I for one can’t wait to see what the lady at the Plain English Society has to say on the matter

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

people are all different and a one size fits all approach doesnt work with sexuality, which is formed between the ages of 18 months and 14yrs old.

funny old world eh

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"people are all different and a one size fits all approach doesnt work with sexuality, which is formed between the ages of 18 months and 14yrs old.

funny old world eh

ps ) i know these debates probably bore some people rigid ...but i personally learn so much from them ...thanks to all who contribute

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

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Owww look – wiki says I used the oversimplified version… obviously still not simple enough for some people.

"Sexual orientation refers to "an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes." According to the American Psychological Association, "it also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, behaviors expressing them, and membership in a community of others who share them."[1] Sexual orientation is usually classified according to the sex or gender of the people who are found sexually attractive. Though people may use other labels, or none at all[2], sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual. These orientations exist along a continuum that ranges from exclusive heterosexual to exclusive homosexual, including various forms of bisexuality in-between. Sexologists see this linear scale as an oversimplification of a more nuanced notion of sexual identity.[3]"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"people are all different and a one size fits all approach doesnt work with sexuality, which is formed between the ages of 18 months and 14yrs old.

funny old world eh

ps ) i know these debates probably bore some people rigid ...but i personally learn so much from them ...thanks to all who contribute"

With you on that one PD, debate and opinion are so much more interesting than the simple, rather slavish reliance on the old cut and paste.

It's much more fun with a bit of original thought and a willingness to think outside of the bubble, which thanks to a couple of you guys on here I am now starting to do

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By *irtyduoCouple over a year ago

nr stirling

hi,

i wouldnt call myself bi-sexual but in this scene with my hubby,playing with couples i dont mind having a bit of girlie fun if it feels right and there is chemistry! its really quite nice, if i hadnt got in2 this scene i would never have dreamed of having "girlie fun" and if i was ever to find myself single i wouldnt have a relationship with a woman! but i do enjoy a womans touch!!

make sense?????????????????? lol!!!

anyway as long as we'r all having fun and not hurting any1 then who cares!!! lol x

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"hi,

make sense?????????????????? lol!!!

anyway as long as we'r all having fun and not hurting any1 then who cares!!! lol x

yeah thats interesting ...alot of women can just play with other women just for the sake of the touch ...but blokes generally cant do that with other blokes ....is it womens natural empathy perhaps .

blokes dont seem as able to blurr the edges so much .almost like its an attack on there masculinity ....myself included ...feck i wonder why i felt the need to add that ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hi,

make sense?????????????????? lol!!!

anyway as long as we'r all having fun and not hurting any1 then who cares!!! lol x

yeah thats interesting ...alot of women can just play with other women just for the sake of the touch ...but blokes generally cant do that with other blokes ....is it womens natural empathy perhaps .

blokes dont seem as able to blurr the edges so much .almost like its an attack on there masculinity ....myself included ...feck i wonder why i felt the need to add that ...

It would appear that more and more of us are starting to blur the edges as you put it. In our experience male bi sexuality is coming more into the open. I dont think it's an any attack on our masculinity quite the opposite. It is a statement that we are secure in our sexuality. Cant imagine why it strikes terror in so many swingers

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"hi,

make sense?????????????????? lol!!!

anyway as long as we'r all having fun and not hurting any1 then who cares!!! lol x

yeah thats interesting ...alot of women can just play with other women just for the sake of the touch ...but blokes generally cant do that with other blokes ....is it womens natural empathy perhaps .

blokes dont seem as able to blurr the edges so much .almost like its an attack on there masculinity ....myself included ...feck i wonder why i felt the need to add that ...

i think its the percieved added risk re hiv,,with The Gay community tragically being a higher group and by association it moves logically to bisexual men ...but strangely not really women

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"hi,

make sense?????????????????? lol!!!

anyway as long as we'r all having fun and not hurting any1 then who cares!!! lol x

yeah thats interesting ...alot of women can just play with other women just for the sake of the touch ...but blokes generally cant do that with other blokes ....is it womens natural empathy perhaps .

blokes dont seem as able to blurr the edges so much .almost like its an attack on there masculinity ....myself included ...feck i wonder why i felt the need to add that ...

i think its the percieved added risk re hiv,,with The Gay community tragically being a higher group and by association it moves logically to bisexual men ...but strangely not really women "

sorry misked out the word risk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think these sort of pre conceptions etc are why the term homoflexible, for both men and women, is aways going to be a difficult concept for some to take on board

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"I think these sort of pre conceptions etc are why the term homoflexible, for both men and women, is aways going to be a difficult concept for some to take on board

i got to admit i read that link you posted and made me dizzy ...

...not sure i know what i am now ...i thought i was straight hetero....lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think these sort of pre conceptions etc are why the term homoflexible, for both men and women, is aways going to be a difficult concept for some to take on board

i got to admit i read that link you posted and made me dizzy ...

...not sure i know what i am now ...i thought i was straight hetero....lol"

I have no doubt you are but imagine how confused you would be, as would be prospective playmates if you thought yourself totally straight but were happy to lie back and let other guys have their wicked way with you.........

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"I think these sort of pre conceptions etc are why the term homoflexible, for both men and women, is aways going to be a difficult concept for some to take on board

i got to admit i read that link you posted and made me dizzy ...

...not sure i know what i am now ...i thought i was straight hetero....lol

i just can not even concieve it ..i actually shuddered at the thought ....i dont mean that disparagingly to bi or gay guys ..just sort of affirmed i am straight i guess

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think these sort of pre conceptions etc are why the term homoflexible, for both men and women, is aways going to be a difficult concept for some to take on board

i got to admit i read that link you posted and made me dizzy ...

...not sure i know what i am now ...i thought i was straight hetero....lol

i just can not even concieve it ..i actually shuddered at the thought ....i dont mean that disparagingly to bi or gay guys ..just sort of affirmed i am straight i guess"

But what if your bag was laying back and enjoying a blow job but being repulsed by the notion of returning the favour.............is that selfish or simply fucked up?

Great debate

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"I think these sort of pre conceptions etc are why the term homoflexible, for both men and women, is aways going to be a difficult concept for some to take on board

i got to admit i read that link you posted and made me dizzy ...

...not sure i know what i am now ...i thought i was straight hetero....lol

i just can not even concieve it ..i actually shuddered at the thought ....i dont mean that disparagingly to bi or gay guys ..just sort of affirmed i am straight i guess

But what if your bag was laying back and enjoying a blow job but being repulsed by the notion of returning the favour.............is that selfish or simply fucked up?

Great debate

jeeze i am sorry it just doesnt compute ...i for once cant comment

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

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But what if your bag was laying back and enjoying a blow job but being repulsed by the notion of returning the favour.............is that selfish or simply fucked up?

A little narrow minded there only being two options…. selfish or fucked up.

For some people the situation is ideal. I know a number of guys (single and not) who only seek one side of male to male oral – some like to suck and some like being sucked.

I am sure you are aware if you switched the situation to be about a female receiving oral from another female, but not seeking to reverse the roles, it pretty much describes what I often do. I don’t have a shortage of females offering, who all know the score and have no complaints because it suits what they enjoy doing.

If all involved are enjoying themselves and satisfying eachothers needs, why does it need to be either selfish or fucked up?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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But what if your bag was laying back and enjoying a blow job but being repulsed by the notion of returning the favour.............is that selfish or simply fucked up?

A little narrow minded there only being two options…. selfish or fucked up.

For some people the situation is ideal. I know a number of guys (single and not) who only seek one side of male to male oral – some like to suck and some like being sucked.

If all involved are enjoying themselves and satisfying eachothers needs, why does it need to be either selfish or fucked up?

yeah thats a fair point..given this some thought now and to be honest apart from knowing a a few bi fems really well and chatting to them about it.

As i am straight i just dont feel qualified to pass anymore comments but i hope the debate continues as its really intersting .

mr X

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By *irtyduoCouple over a year ago

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hiya,

yeah iv had fun with couples where the female is happy for me 2 go down on her but says from the start she will not reciprocate,which is fine by me, im still enjoying pleasuring some1 which i in turn get a thrill out of, i am in no way a "hardened swinger" just like a bit of touch and lick and kissing with fems lol!!! but i do love when the favour is returned lol!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But what if your bag was laying back and enjoying a blow job but being repulsed by the notion of returning the favour.............is that selfish or simply fucked up?

A little narrow minded there only being two options…. selfish or fucked up.

For some people the situation is ideal. I know a number of guys (single and not) who only seek one side of male to male oral – some like to suck and some like being sucked.

If all involved are enjoying themselves and satisfying eachothers needs, why does it need to be either selfish or fucked up?

I guess I just got confused with my life ethic after 50 odd years on this planet of never actually asking someone to do something I was not prepared to do my self, but hey ho

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

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I wonder how many guys who like to give a woman anal expect to get something up their own rear 5 minutes after lol

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

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"hiya,

And for me in the receiving position (in similar situations), I get a buzz out of them getting a thrill ... so everyone is happy.

I know a number of ladies who only enjoy the giving and doing and don’t like receiving from anyone but their hubby, which works really well for me obviously.

I guess it is all about understand what works for one doesn’t always work for everyone, but if you find people where it works for all of you and those involved are all happy… then it’s only a problem for those who are not involved and who really cares what they think?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder how many guys who like to give a woman anal expect to get something up their own rear 5 minutes after lol

Not a problem for me, like I say I dont ask anyone for anything I am not prepared to do myself

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

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OK here we go

Hello Rich and Judy

Sorry for the delay in response. We have been discussing the interesting questions raised and have passed your email to our Editing team. Tony Maher, the Operations Manager will decide on the plain English response.

Plain English Campaign are not linguistic experts. We fight for clear communications in all public documents so that the message can be read, understood and acted upon within a single reading. We avoid jargon and gobbledygook that creates confusion or ambiguity. We are not the guardians of the English language and recognise that language is a creative and developing part of our society. The influences of changing cultures, technology and knowledge will always shape the way we communicate, but the essence of plain English is that the message should be appropriate for the intended audience. That is the reason why we will always refer back to the people concerned for a final opinion.

The way in which any terms or language is interpreted by an individual depends on so many factors, so for public information we always keep it as plain as we can, not to “dumb-down” , but so that there is the best possible chance of comprehension for the widest possible audience. Trying to pin down complicated ideas to one word can result in the jargon and gobbledygook we aim to avoid. And sometimes achieving plain English and clarity means having to use more words to ensure accuracy in the definition or message.

You may have come across the Urban Dictionary website where people vote for definitions of new words. Much of it is just fun, but it might be worth seeing what feedback you get from what would be a worldwide audience? www.urbandictionary.com.

I hope the above helps

Kind regards

Marie

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

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In addition to what polo and one or two others were saying, we would agree. Judy is more a giver than a taker when enjoying girlie fun. Not that she doesn't like being on the receiving end she just *prefers* to be on the giving end.

If those girls who like a woman to go down on them, for instance, but would not reciprocate, are in someway 'bi-selfish' then surely that means Ju is too. So we would say this is not a form of selfish behaviour it's just doing what you enjoy the most.

Rich is straight. Just because a guy and his lady friend once sucked his cock at the same time does that make him bi in any way?

Since this incident we have chatted about it with most every couple we meet (not that we ever repeated the experience yet though) and guess how many straight men in these couples admit to having had a similar experience?

Polo we think you were 100% about all the straightish guys on here.

xxx

J&R

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

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mmmm or maybe not 100% right....

Now we've had a good think about this, and we discussed it between ourselves again.

Many moons ago when we were fairly new to swinging we had an experience with a couple where the other girl liked to suck two cocks at the same time. Now to do this the two guys have to get fairly close to each other - in fact lets face it you gonna have your cock rubbing up against another guys cock at the same time as she's sucking you both. Now surely a lot of straight guys have done this particular act a few times? Does that make the guys bi? even though we've done it more than once since?

So to the other situation - there we are playing with another couple, the girl was sucking me and what do you know it, the other guy joins in! I kinda thought 'hey up!!' So now it's the girl and guy sharing a cock licking and sucking. In fact as I recall all three of them started to join in. After a minute or so things just drifted on to other forms of play and didn't come back to this. Now what does that make me (rich)? Wasn't even being bi-curious as it just happened spontaneously.... The other guy must be bi. Was I just being easy going or homo-comfortable or something??

Is one situation any different from the other in terms of male or female sexuality? Now even we're confused by all this topic.

xxx

R&J

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You were having fun and thats all that counts

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

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yeah confused but lovin' it lol

xxxxx

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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still watching the thread .....in that situation it almost would seem impolite to comment or object as it would destroy an erotic atmosphere

mrx

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

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3Hehehe I think we stunned them into silence lol

We'd love to here the opinions over the relevant sexuality of the two situations we have experienced.

Also we replied back to the Plain English society - awaiting another response

xxx

J&R

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

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And yep - impolite we never are lol

xxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

With regards to the sexuality I will preempt the Plain Language folk and hazard a guess at folks simply having uncomplicated fun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would/do these above points regarding an all encompassing term, including the activities some "role-playing" swingers practice, exist within the vanilla world ? - I very much doubt it !!

There seems to be a strong reluctance present in some to accept that bisexuality is a basic sexual desire that is felt within the individual, anything else, put in "plain English", is no more than physical role-play.

The above shouldn't be confused with those that carry out bisexual acts on others to enable access to those that would in normal circumstances be unavailable due to sexual incompatibility, that I'm afraid without being fully honest, is just plain sinister !!

Missus Sin has assured me that she has absolutely no interest in playing with those that are happy to role-play with bisexual females, we have also discussed this with our bisexual female friends/play mates, who have all reacted in the same way being - why would you?

They also stated that they wouldn't be interested in playing straight, there are two reasons for these comments being:

1, The straight females tend to feel uncomfortable being in this situation.

2, There is something missing and they have been left feeling unsatisfied.

As the above may seem critical I best point out that we see nothing wrong with those that do role-play as long as this has been disclosed and see it as no more than a kink !

Can I also ask those that I have termed "role-players" - would/have you played as bisexual with others that are role-playing, or does at least one of you need to be bisexual?

And if this is/isn't the case, I'm sure others would love to hear any positive, negative comments that you feel comfortable adding to this debate.

Obviously selecting the role-play option would need an addition to ones profile, basically explaining briefly what this role-play entails.

I would also like to hear the views of others as to what should the role-play option be used for?

Lastly I would also like to ask:

Why has bisexuality within the swinging world become so abstract from what is so clear and understood outside the swinging community:

Bi-curious = has a personal desire towards same sex, without personal experience.

Bisexual = has a desire and personal experience.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Agree with all you put Sin, it was very well said.

Mr Try often says if I was a man I would be arrested - I have been known to see a woman in town who pings my radar, and he's turned round to talk to me and I've wondered off in her direction.

I have known I was bi for many years and I have no interest in playing with women who are simply play-acting it to please their partner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Agree with all you put Sin, it was very well said.

Mr Try often says if I was a man I would be arrested - I have been known to see a woman in town who pings my radar, and he's turned round to talk to me and I've wondered off in her direction.

I have known I was bi for many years and I have no interest in playing with women who are simply play-acting it to please their partner. "

Oooh you are awful, but I like ya lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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Bi-curious could be = Husband is nagging wife to get it on with a woman cus he has never seen it and does he really what she thinks... she is a possession and there to do as she is told anyway.

Bisexual = he has now accomplished the above and she can no longer rebel as its proved he was right she is bisexual .

the point being some women are not confident enough or assertive enough to say no ...i have witnessed this many times ...which is why we use another word bi accessible or bicapable to raise the issue that ..even tho the fem i am attending with indicates she is happy with bi play ...it may not happen unless everyone is totally happy, many guy driven couples bale out at this point

Unfortunately some couples see it as a done deal as soon as the meet is arranged ...i suspect driven by the male in the couple rather than the fem .

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"Bi-curious could be = Husband is nagging wife to get it on with a woman cus he has never seen it and does he really what she thinks... she is a possession and there to do as she is told anyway.

Bisexual = he has now accomplished the above and she can no longer rebel as its proved he was right she is bisexual .

Unfortunately some couples see it as a done deal as soon as the meet is arranged ...i suspect driven by the male in the couple rather than the fem ."

sorry missed out word care ....where is that edit button

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bi-curious could be = Husband is nagging wife to get it on with a woman cus he has never seen it and does he really what she thinks... she is a possession and there to do as she is told anyway.

Bisexual = he has now accomplished the above and she can no longer rebel as its proved he was right she is bisexual .

Unfortunately some couples see it as a done deal as soon as the meet is arranged ...i suspect driven by the male in the couple rather than the fem .

sorry missed out word care ....where is that edit button "

I have read this entire post on more than one occasion, and find myself in agreement with two2bonkwith as regards your position, ie you have been unfortunate or need to improve your conversation skills, as the females we have met (couples included) have been far from the shrinking violet type. lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"Bi-curious could be = Husband is nagging wife to get it on with a woman cus he has never seen it and does he really what she thinks... she is a possession and there to do as she is told anyway.

Bisexual = he has now accomplished the above and she can no longer rebel as its proved he was right she is bisexual .

Unfortunately some couples see it as a done deal as soon as the meet is arranged ...i suspect driven by the male in the couple rather than the fem .

sorry missed out word care ....where is that edit button

yep doesnt mean they are not out there tho ..and making it clear its not a done deal prior to arrival sifts em out -conversation skills are fine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sin,

For some folk complication is not only a way of life it's also a mission statement

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

well i wouldnt generalise about any community but i can tell you there are definately women on this site here just to please there husbands and not bisexual at all ..we have met them and subsequently spoken to them having left .one husband went as far as to threaten his wife in front of us, didnt make us chuckle

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

We have yet to encounter a "shrinking violet" but maybe thats because we have been blessed with our fair share of common sense. Sorting the wheat from the chaff on here and other sites is not rocket science, it cant be as we manage it quite nicely

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

or perhaps you have been fortunate ...if you take the amount you have met against the percentage on here its minute ...not a reflection on you of course juat a bit of statisitical analysis .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

or perhaps you have been fortunate ...if you take the amount you have met against the percentage on here its minute ...not a reflection on you of course juat a bit of statisitical analysis .

Or if you take the amount that we disregard against the number we consider, factor common sense as part of that equation, rationalise the output data alongside success rate maybe you could replace the word fortunate with insightful

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

or perhaps you have been fortunate ...if you take the amount you have met against the percentage on here its minute ...not a reflection on you of course juat a bit of statisitical analysis .

true ...but why dont you start asking if next time you play with a couple with a bi fem ,if the girls can go off to play together privately see what reaction you get ...are you meeting Bi women as your profile indicates curious...which is curious ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

or perhaps you have been fortunate ...if you take the amount you have met against the percentage on here its minute ...not a reflection on you of course juat a bit of statisitical analysis .

Go back and read our profile again and ask yourself why would I ever ask that question of anyone?

If the question was asked of us I would defer to Mrs Two2, if SHE wanted to she would and if SHE didn't SHE would not.

Simples innit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

It certainly appears that you are in fact generalising, this is apparent by the amount of times you have made the same point and are continuing to do so?

As to male driven swinging couples - to date we have yet to experience this as the couples we have met with socially and intimately have been with very vocal and sociable females.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

or perhaps you have been fortunate ...if you take the amount you have met against the percentage on here its minute ...not a reflection on you of course juat a bit of statisitical analysis .

Go back and read our profile again and ask yourself why would I ever ask that question of anyone?

If the question was asked of us I would defer to Mrs Two2, if SHE wanted to she would and if SHE didn't SHE would not.

Simples innit

but if someone always responds in bi play doesnt that mean its moved on from curious.Its a good question how long does curiosity remain just that before acceptance of a preference,the key wqord perhaps being "respond"?

I accept that you would ask as would I if i was off to a meet with someone i know if its ok to play seperatly .

i would hope the majority of right thinking people would give the appropriate response after asking there partners.

However It is evident to us in the group that "some" men arrange couples meets and give their partners little choice in what exactly has been arranged,it is also evident it is coercion and bullying rather than submissiveness.

Bisexual interaction is one of those areas where many women simply have no choice,in a country with so much domestic violence primarily by men on women,isnt it worth simply raising a few issues by whatever means you see fit to flush these bastards and poor women out ?

We think so, we have found 3 in 6 months which although is not a great amount given the amount of people we have communicated with.It means we did not become part of the charade and also means it is not a one off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

It certainly appears that you are in fact generalising, this is apparent by the amount of times you have made the same point and are continuing to do so?

As to male driven swinging couples - to date we have yet to experience this as the couples we have met with socially and intimately have been with very vocal and sociable females."

And I would hazard a guess that these will be couples you have met using common sense and an ability to converse, both written and verbally as part of the overall meeting procedure.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

It certainly appears that you are in fact generalising, this is apparent by the amount of times you have made the same point and are continuing to do so?

As to male driven swinging couples - to date we have yet to experience this as the couples we have met with socially and intimately have been with very vocal and sociable females."

i am sure you have not met these people and how lucky you are,however just because you have not come across them as i said just does not mean they are out there ...they are

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

It certainly appears that you are in fact generalising, this is apparent by the amount of times you have made the same point and are continuing to do so?

As to male driven swinging couples - to date we have yet to experience this as the couples we have met with socially and intimately have been with very vocal and sociable females.

And I would hazard a guess that these will be couples you have met using common sense and an ability to converse, both written and verbally as part of the overall meeting procedure.

Well hopefully we have sifted out the male driven couples but on occasion we have missed it because the fem interaction was simply a quick chat to prove gender rather than a full blown conversation about aspects of the meet.

which is why ...without labouring the point ..we use the term bi accessible or capable to raise the issue within the conversation ..

Since then no problems,incidently where we did get it wrong we left immediately and then the fem had a follow up chat with the fem .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

It certainly appears that you are in fact generalising, this is apparent by the amount of times you have made the same point and are continuing to do so?

As to male driven swinging couples - to date we have yet to experience this as the couples we have met with socially and intimately have been with very vocal and sociable females.

And I would hazard a guess that these will be couples you have met using common sense and an ability to converse, both written and verbally as part of the overall meeting procedure.

which is why ...without labouring the point ..we use the term bi accessible or capable to raise the issue within the conversation ..

Since then no problems,incidently where we did get it wrong we left immediately and then the fem had a follow up chat with the fem .

For over 8 years we have used Bi curious and never gotten it wrong yet so guess that in the right hands it works fine

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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For over 8 years we have used Bi curious and never gotten it wrong yet so guess that in the right hands it works fine

Well if it works for you as bi-assessible works for the fems i know ...why not ....

But you did mention in another thread about single guys who can not accomodation the need for accuracy in profiles ...not a critique ...i am intrigued as to how it squares with that comment ?

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

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For over 8 years we have used Bi curious and never gotten it wrong yet so guess that in the right hands it works fine

Kath - Could we ask for how long you will feel the need to be bi-curious, and what would it take for you no longer to have a curiosity about it?

We would have thought after 8 yrs and no doubt a lot of successful meets you would know for certain one way or the other by now.

We took the 'curious' of our profile after maybe the first half a dozen meets (a long time before we were on this site) as by then Judy had discovered a great deal about girlie fun and knew for certain she enjoys it if she fancies a woman.

xxxx

R&J

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

I would say you would be curious until you decided if it was for you or not.

After that surely you would be one or the other and not curious anymore?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For over 8 years we have used Bi curious and never gotten it wrong yet so guess that in the right hands it works fine

Well if it works for you as bi-assessible works for the fems i know ...why not ....

But you did mention in another thread about single guys who can not accommodation the need for accuracy in profiles ...not a critique ...i am intrigued as to how it squares with that comment ?"

Accuracy is rather like simplicity, in that it works. Bi Curious is the widely accepted method of description for Mrs Two2 and is fully understood by all those we have ever met or talked to, hence we use it and have had 100% success with it.

Why would we need to complicate matters by using a term that is not required or generally used in the swinging vocabulary when to date we have found our selves articulate enough to fully describe our hopes and desires, thus avoiding any subsequent confusion?

If we saw a profile we liked but it said bi accessible/potential/flavoured/compatible/possible/comfortable/you pick a descriptor, then one of the first question we would ask if we got in touch would be along the lines of, "just define your boundaries with regards to bi".

Funnily this the same question we pose to folks who have bi curious or bi sexual on their profile, helps to sort out the ground rules in advance thus avoiding any potentially embarrassing moments

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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For over 8 years we have used Bi curious and never gotten it wrong yet so guess that in the right hands it works fine

Kath - Could we ask for how long you will feel the need to be bi-curious, and what would it take for you no longer to have a curiosity about it?

We would have thought after 8 yrs and no doubt a lot of successful meets you would know for certain one way or the other by now.

xxxx

R&J"

Well the discussion of terminology is the issue here and if they still feel that curious is appropriate for them it has to be.

To some extent they have clarified the position by saying kath always responds.....language is so nebullous and flexible and thank god it is.

The arguament could be put forward curious, doesnt exist it merely replaces "inexperienced" doesnt any thought of same gender sex mean your tapping into bisexual feelings or tendencies you have ?

Is there ever going to be a definitive conclusion to this thread ....no....cus evey one is different, has different sexual lifeplans and broad terminolgy can not fully describe the sexual complexities of the individual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For over 8 years we have used Bi curious and never gotten it wrong yet so guess that in the right hands it works fine

Kath - Could we ask for how long you will feel the need to be bi-curious, and what would it take for you no longer to have a curiosity about it?

We would have thought after 8 yrs and no doubt a lot of successful meets you would know for certain one way or the other by now.

xxxx

R&J"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity

Wiki is never the best source but I quite like this in this context

"Curiosity is an emotion that causes natural inquisitive behaviour such as exploration, investigation, and learning, evident by observation in human and many animal species"

She is no further down the path of discovery now than she was the first time she played with another women, however an example.

One evening in Chams only about a year back we got talking to 2 lovely couples and after a while they drifted off upstairs to play and said we could join them if we wanted. After about 10 mins we followed on and found them in the room with the roundish bed and the swing on the top floor. The two women, who had already declared they were fully bi were on the bed playing with the guys watching. A little bit of playful banter had Mrs Two2 join the girls on the bed and boy did they have fun for the next 30 mins or so whilst us guys watched, and nothing more subsequently happened.

Whilst she enjoyed that particular experience she still can take it or leave it, hence the curiosity tag in company with the sub text on our profile.

There is a lot of standard terminology in the swinging vernacular which in company with adult conversation will always lead folk to exactly where they want to go. Re badging for re badging sake will not make things any simpler as in general folk will all have a different interpretation, hence we advocate sensible discussion which to date has always worked for us

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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For over 8 years we have used Bi curious and never gotten it wrong yet so guess that in the right hands it works fine

Kath - Could we ask for how long you will feel the need to be bi-curious, and what would it take for you no longer to have a curiosity about it?

We would have thought after 8 yrs and no doubt a lot of successful meets you would know for certain one way or the other by now.

xxxx

R&J

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity

Wiki is never the best source but I quite like this in this context

"Curiosity is an emotion that causes natural inquisitive behaviour such as exploration, investigation, and learning, evident by observation in human and many animal species"

She is no further down the path of discovery now than she was the first time she played with another women, however an example.

Whilst she enjoyed that particular experience she still can take it or leave it, hence the curiosity tag in company with the sub text on our profile.

well since you quote from wilkpedia it also goes on to say that .

"Although curiosity is an innate capability of many living beings, it cannot be subsumed under category of instinct because it lacks the quality of fixed action pattern; it is rather one of innate basic emotions because it can be expressed in many flexible ways while instinct is always expressed in a fixed way"

Without refeering to yourselves in particualr ..it could be said that a number of years engaging in the same fixed action pattern would indicate curiosity is not the appropriate word

And in terms of accuracy that another term is appropriate,

If a person indicates that the term of fully bisexual is not appropriate to then, there is nothing wrong with adding another term to suit their given situation. After all a person could add a phrase to there profile which forces discussion-clarification.

However to a lot of users who do not really engage is looking at the semantics of a title or description, the interpretation of "bicurious" after many years of engaging in bisexual acts could be construed as inaccurate.

"Trying not to refer to your profile here as i know you will have given it a lot of thought and used the title to suit yourselves ."

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

The whole point of this topic as created by the OP is whether or not another term between bi-curious and bisexual would be advantageous

Kath - although you openly state that you do not believe there is any need for such a term, your very argument of that point tends to contradict your own position.

The problem with 'bi-curious' as we see it is the wide way in which this term is being interpreted.

Simply by your own admission that this term can equally apply to a woman who has had little or no bi-sexual experience but who has an interest or desire to try it, and a woman who has had 8 yrs of bisexual experience in a physical sense but is not comfortable with the tag bi-sexual (presumably for personal emotional or self-identity reasons)just goes to prove the point that a third term is needed! You openly admit yourself that frank discussion with all parties is needed before play to establish just where these bi-curious women stand.

Can we turn this argument around a little Kath?

Although you firmly state your belief there is no *need* for a third term (bi-accessable, bi-comfortable bi-playful whatever) do you think there would be any *harm* in having one and if your profile *did* give you the choice of :

1. straight

2. bicurious

3. biplayful/comfortable (or similar)

4. bisexual

5. homosexual

Would you click number 3 if it was an option? because it seems fairly plain to us that this is what you actually are. Or would you still maintain your position of curiosity even after all these years.

xxxx

Ju & Rich

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thats the classic problem with the old Wiki cut and paste, if you don't read something fully or simply try to shoe horn something in to make your argument you can often end up looking quite silly.

I chose an extremely brief, and for us entirely relevant extract from that web page as it fit's fully with our modus operandi and I went on to further qualify it.

"Curiosity is an emotion that causes natural inquisitive behaviour such as exploration, investigation, and learning, evident by observation in human and many animal species"

Mrs Two2 is still exploring, investigating and learning with regards to her bi side. Some may assume that by climbing onto the bed in Chams in the story I used to illustrate that she has gone beyond curious but, and this is the really important distinction, she had previously never had an encounter of that kind and because she is still investigating, exploring and learning she decided to try it out.

Whilst she did enjoy it she is still of the opinion that there are other combinations to try and that at this stage is she is non committal. If the circumstance and potential partners are of her liking then currently she will join in, if not she will not. So the assertion, if I understand your cut and paste fully, that Mrs Two2 is "engaging in the same fixed action pattern" is ludicrous.

There are many more "submissive", let alone the "assertive" avenues to explore with regards to Bi behaviour before the learning process can truly be complete. For some simply sampling the opposite sex will be enough to take the next step and for others it is a continually evolving process.

We hint at Mrs Two2's bi side in our profile and always fully quantify it when getting in touch with folk or meeting at clubs and to date this has worked out fine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The whole point of this topic as created by the OP is whether or not another term between bi-curious and bisexual would be advantageous

Kath - although you openly state that you do not believe there is any need for such a term, your very argument of that point tends to contradict your own position.

The problem with 'bi-curious' as we see it is the wide way in which this term is being interpreted.

Can we turn this argument around a little Kath?

1. straight

2. bicurious

3. biplayful/comfortable (or similar)

4. bisexual

5. homosexual

xxxx

Ju & Rich"

Can you define option 3 for us?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"Mrs Two2 is still exploring, investigating and learning with regards to her bi side. Some may assume that by climbing onto the bed in Chams in the story I used to illustrate that she has gone beyond curious but, and this is the really important distinction, she had previously never had an encounter of that kind and because she is still investigating, exploring and learning she decided to try it out.

We hint at Mrs Two2's bi side in our profile and always fully quantify it when getting in touch with folk or meeting at clubs and to date this has worked out fine."

Well using your words here but if

"she enjoyed it"

"If the circumstance and potential partners are of her liking then currently she will join in, if not she will not. "

I do not wish to pry into your partners sexuality in a public forum ,but from what "you" have said here ,it would appear to me that the curious stage has been left behind. Now its simply a case of preference in terms of what aspect of bisexuality appeals most to her.

What you are saying is what we discussed several times in the thread ,your desire not to use the term bisexual is apparently because in your partners case it has the caveat "it depends on the individuals involved and the situation ...."

would you not then agree there is a case for an aditional category or discription rather than purely bicurious or bisexual ,what would best describe your situation if you had to find another word ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs Two2 went horse racing once and she quite enjoyed the experience. She knew that there would be horses, jockeys, betting etc but apart from that had, and still does not have much more idea than that. I am sure if she went enough times she would be able to count herself as a racing enthusiast but at this stage she is still a beginner.

As regards her Bi sex fun the jury is still out for all the reasons given and I am not sure why you are having such a difficulty with that.

As regards a new term perhaps Bi Inquisitive would best describe us at this point, although Bi Ambivalence, Bi Confusion, Bi Interest, Bi Patience or even Bi Intrigued. Which ever one we pick no doubt we will go on to qualify it in our profile and in any initial contact with others

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Mrs Two2 went horse racing once and she quite enjoyed the experience. She knew that there would be horses, jockeys, betting etc but apart from that had, and still does not have much more idea than that. I am sure if she went enough times she would be able to count herself as a racing enthusiast but at this stage she is still a beginner.

As regards her Bi sex fun the jury is still out for all the reasons given and I am not sure why you are having such a difficulty with that.

ahh so your advocating that people acquire bisexuality through experiential learning rather than it being a inherrant part of ones sexuality ....if that were the case then surely straight has no meaning whatsoever .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The very idea that this community is infested with shrinking violets has made us chuckle - now screaming banshee's we would agree with lol

It certainly appears that you are in fact generalising, this is apparent by the amount of times you have made the same point and are continuing to do so?

As to male driven swinging couples - to date we have yet to experience this as the couples we have met with socially and intimately have been with very vocal and sociable females."

i wanna do ur missus

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I rest my case lmao

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"I rest my case lmao"

I never disputed that all the people you have met have been exactly how you said .

Unfortunaltly until its all couples on the site it doesnt really help you discount the ones we have met who were coerced.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I rest my case lmao

I never disputed that all the people you have met have been exactly how you said .

Unfortunaltly until its all couples on the site it doesnt really help you discount the ones we have met who were coerced.

back away from my lovers, i saw them first hahahaha

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As regards her Bi sex fun the jury is still out for all the reasons given and I am not sure why you are having such a difficulty with that.

ahh so your advocating that people acquire bisexuality through experiential learning rather than it being a inherent part of ones sexuality ....if that were the case then surely straight has no meaning whatsoever ."

Are you seriously saying everyone is bi in one format or another? Maybe you needed to read that through before you posted it.

For folk who are bought up to believe they are straight, and once they have matured enough to make life changing decisions have decided that hetero is the only way of life for them, then straight is a perfectly suitable and blatantly obvious tag for them.

However lets try this analogy to maybe show you what I am saying.

Imagine the child who for no obvious or apparent reason has always hated sprouts but somewhere during adolescence tries them and discovers they are ok. For the rest of their lives they may want them with every roast dinner they ever eat as the are the perfect accompaniment to that particular meal.

Conversely they may simply have tried them once or twice, not actually come to a firm decision with regards to texture, taste, smell etc etc and therefore choose to enjoy them every now and again and even when they are on the menu may decide on a whim not to partake.

Those folk that have a genuine curiosity with regards to bi sex may simply consider and not go any further whilst some folk may experiment and immediately decide it's not for them. For others who go through the initial process of same sex fun the overall feelings of confusion may linger while others make the transition like ducks taking to the water.

As I said before absolutely none of this is rocket science and I am not sure why you are trying to define a moment in time where someone crosses from one sexual path to another?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I rest my case lmao

I never disputed that all the people you have met have been exactly how you said .

Unfortunaltly until its all couples on the site it doesnt really help you discount the ones we have met who were coerced.

Ever wonder how and why Sin never fell foul in the manner you suggest?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I rest my case lmao

I never disputed that all the people you have met have been exactly how you said .

Unfortunaltly until its all couples on the site it doesnt really help you discount the ones we have met who were coerced.

Ever wonder how and why Sin never fell foul in the manner you suggest?

what do u mean? sorry am thick i dont understand???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I rest my case lmao

I never disputed that all the people you have met have been exactly how you said .

Unfortunaltly until its all couples on the site it doesnt really help you discount the ones we have met who were coerced.

Ever wonder how and why Sin never fell foul in the manner you suggest?

what do u mean? sorry am thick i dont understand???"

Not aimed at you miss, tried that once almost got "internet butt fucked"....... lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

no i know it not aimed at me lol

but i been reading the thread with intrest and just hate getting to a bit where i dont understand what it means? come on play nice and explain to kitty lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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As regards her Bi sex fun the jury is still out for all the reasons given and I am not sure why you are having such a difficulty with that.

Are you seriously saying everyone is bi in one format or another? Maybe you needed to read that through before you posted it.

However lets try this analogy to maybe show you what I am saying.

As I said before absolutely none of this is rocket science and I am not sure why you are trying to define a moment in time where someone crosses from one sexual path to another?"

well i am not trying to define a point that has already been done by kinsey and others but if you look at the kinsey scale ...and backed up by others since it was done it is

Dr. Alfred Kinsey created a scale, graduated between heterosexuality and homosexuality, to rate individuals on actual experiences and psychological reactions. The ratings are as follows:

1. 0: Entirely heterosexual.

2. 1: Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual.

3. 2: Predominantly heterosexual, but with a distinct homosexual history.

4. 3: Equally heterosexual and homosexual.

5. 4: Predominantly homosexual, but with a distinct heterosexual history.

6. 5: Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual.

7. 6: Entirely homosexual.

Clearly anything above 0 and less than 6 can be defined as bisexual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

why u wanna do a list? if u fuck a bird and men u bi, if u fuck a man ur straight (unless ur a bloke) if u fuck a dog ur strange.

i am gone now cos i dont get any of this

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

Ahh so your advocating that people acquire bisexuality through experiential learning rather than it being a inherent part of ones sexuality ....if that were the case then surely straight has no meaning whatsoever .

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Are you seriously saying everyone is bi in one format or another? Maybe you needed to read that through before you posted it.

i think you have got the wrong end of the stick here and not read what i was saying ...you were in fact saying that, in the horse riding analogie you used in that by implication your sayin bisexuality is learnt by experiential learning .....

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Are you seriously saying everyone is bi in one format or another? Maybe you needed to read that through before you posted it.

As I doubt you are trying to say that folk wake up one day and decide they are Bi or like sprouts or gay or like horse racing how would you suggest folk find out anything in life without experimentation?

And surely by experimenting you discover and with discovery comes knowledge?

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

Can you define option 3 for us?"

Sure.

Our definition :

Bi Playful (or Bi-comfortable if you prefer)

A person who identifies primarily as heterosexual both emotionally and psychologically, but who enjoys same sex encounters and activities in certain situations, often during group sex.

The Urban Dictionary definition:

Bi-playful

Someone who likes to play sexually with the same sex, but still prefers to have a heterosexual relationship.

xxxx

J&R

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

well i am not trying to define a point that has already been done by kinsey and others but if you look at the kinsey scale ...and backed up by others since it was done it is

Dr. Alfred Kinsey created a scale, graduated between heterosexuality and homosexuality, to rate individuals on actual experiences and psychological reactions. The ratings are as follows:

1. 0: Entirely heterosexual.

2. 1: Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual.

3. 2: Predominantly heterosexual, but with a distinct homosexual history.

4. 3: Equally heterosexual and homosexual.

5. 4: Predominantly homosexual, but with a distinct heterosexual history.

6. 5: Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual.

7. 6: Entirely homosexual.

Regards the Kinsey report we would beg to differ. Other research has shown that a truly bisexual person (one who is emotionally as well as physically bisexual) does not always have an equal attraction to both sexes. Further, while some bisexual persons remain fairly static in their relative attractions to either sex, others change their preference at different times in their lives, sometimes tending towards heterosexual and sometimes towards homosexual.

The thing that makes a person bisexual as opposed to biplayful (or whatever is the best word for what we are trying to define here) is that a bisexual person has an emotional attraction to either sex and would consider a relationship with either sex (though not necessarily with equal preference) where as a biplayful person is a predominantly heterosexual person who enjoys the physical aspect of same sex encounters

As Alexander would say - simples!

lol

xxxx

Ju & Rich

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

Do you mean Klein who found it more useful to rate people on a variety of levels, "Past History," "Present History," "Present Feelings," and "Future Inclinations".?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can you define option 3 for us?

Sure.

Our definition :

Bi Playful (or Bi-comfortable if you prefer)

A person who identifies primarily as heterosexual both emotionally and psychologically, but who enjoys same sex encounters and activities in certain situations, often during group sex.

The Urban Dictionary definition:

Bi-playful

Someone who likes to play sexually with the same sex, but still prefers to have a heterosexual relationship.

xxxx

J&R"

Whilst I understand what you are trying to achieve I am yet to be convinced that any new one term is going to make things any clearer, in fact if I may be so bold, and I have no intention of being rude, but what you propose seems to simply muddies the waters further.

“Our definition :

Bi Playful (or Bi-comfortable if you prefer)

A person who identifies primarily as heterosexual both emotionally and psychologically, but who enjoys same sex encounters and activities in certain situations, often during group sex.”

“The Urban Dictionary definition:

Bi-playful

Someone who likes to play sexually with the same sex, but still prefers to have a heterosexual relationship.”

Surely both descriptions could be equally applied to those who label themselves Bisexual or even Bi Curious?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

Bi curious to me implies never tried but would like to ..not have been there and will carry on playing under certain conditions.

Most of the bisexual specialist forums suggest even a emotional need to try is bisexuality rather than curiosity .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bi curious to me implies never tried but would like to ..not have been there and will carry on playing under certain conditions.

Most of the bisexual specialist forums suggest even a emotional need to try is bisexuality rather than curiosity .

To me Bi Curious implies never tried all the various facets of Bisexual fun and would like to try some of those facets out before making a judgement.

You cannot seriously be saying one taste of pussy or one suck on a cock takes you straight to Bisexual, can you?

Using that flawed thought process you could equally argue one taste of pussy or one suck on a cock in a one on one scenario takes you straight to homosexuality, thats simply laughable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
Forum Mod

Just want to jump in lol

Not everyone who has hetrosexual sex wants to try every aspect of it but they can still class themselves as straight or can they call themselves straight curious?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Just want to jump in lol

Not everyone who has hetrosexual sex wants to try every aspect of it but they can still class themselves as straight or can they call themselves straight curious?

good point

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
Forum Mod

"Just want to jump in lol

Not everyone who has hetrosexual sex wants to try every aspect of it but they can still class themselves as straight or can they call themselves straight curious?

good point "

Thanks... takes bow and clears off out of the complicated thread lol

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Bi curious to me implies never tried but would like to ..not have been there and will carry on playing under certain conditions.

Most of the bisexual specialist forums suggest even a emotional need to try is bisexuality rather than curiosity .

To me Bi Curious implies never tried all the various facets of Bisexual fun and would like to try some of those facets out before making a judgement.

You cannot seriously be saying one taste of pussy or one suck on a cock takes you straight to Bisexual, can you?

Using that flawed thought process you could equally argue one taste of pussy or one suck on a cock in a one on one scenario takes you straight to homosexuality, thats simply laughable

it depends on the emotion and desire behind it .you seem to be saying bisexuality is a series of acts or explorations to be acheived prior to achieving the status of full bisexuality ..as i said most specialist bi groups feel even the emotion of wanting to try it is an expression of bisexuality ...so using the criteria you use ...define at what point you will be happy to state you are fully bisexual ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I did say before that using assumption to try and make your case is always fraught with danger.

"you seem to be saying bisexuality is a series of acts or explorations to be acheived prior to achieving the status of full bisexuality .."

Where as what I actually said was

"Those folk that have a genuine curiosity with regards to bi sex may simply consider and not go any further whilst some folk may experiment and immediately decide it's not for them. For others who go through the initial process of same sex fun the overall feelings of confusion may linger while others make the transition like ducks taking to the water."

Which in rough terms means some will taste pussy/cock one time and be disgusted, some will taste pussy cock one time and be converted and in between there will be a large group of people who are going to experience a whole spectrum of thoughts and emotions on the journey to discovery.

Some may never make the leap from curious to bisexual whilst others will do so with ease, a distinction I am more than able to fully grasp, hence as previously stated by me trying to define a moment in time for the "switch over" is plain daft.

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

@Two2

Now on this point of defining a switch over point we really tend to agree with you there, but at the same time we also believe that for some people, occurences at certain key points in their life *will* define their sexuality and preferences from that point onwards. So we would say that you can not define *one* key point that would affect everyone, but for many people their is *some* key point that does affect there sexuality

On the bisexual thing and getting back to the point of this thread - we see the problem with the term 'bisexual' is that it is defined in one way in the vanilla world and in another way in the swinging world. The mainstream view in the vanilla world would see bisexual as meaning a person who has both an emotional/psychological and physical attraction to either sex. Pretty clear

cut.

The problem occurs in the swinging world because we take a completely different view of sex, as an activity and an end in it's own right. Recreational sex, NSA sex, fun, playing, group sex....

We believe in that context a person's sexuality takes on a new meaning - basically the physical or carnal meaning - and while we are happy to accept some females (and males) entered into swinging partly or wholly to satisfy a truly bisexual side of their psyche, most of those who are enjoying same sex activites within swinging are not bisexual at all but are attracted purely to the physical aspect of same sex encounters.

Therefore we feel they are biplayful/comfortable. These feelings play no part in their life outside of swinging circles therefore per se: they are not bisexual.

The only other feasible option woul;d be to redefine bisexual within the swinging community as a having a different meaning to those in the vanilla community.

You need make no apologies for your comments to us, that's just a part of this interesting debate isn't it?

xxx

Ju & Rich

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"I did say before that using assumption to try and make your case is always fraught with danger.

"you seem to be saying bisexuality is a series of acts or explorations to be acheived prior to achieving the status of full bisexuality .."

Where as what I actually said was

its not about crossover point whatever that is ....the thread was about terminology and if there is another word required a sort of half way house word phrase between bicurious and bisexual ...your situation supports that need but you seem to be arguing against it ...based on "for you bicurious" will do .

if you take kittys definition today which i suspect would be the majority view ...............

"why u wanna do a list? if u fuck a bird and men u bi, if u fuck a man ur straight (unless ur a bloke) if u fuck a dog ur strange."

now i if i understand you correctly what your saying, is that blunt pure form definition is wrong and you are in fact still curious .

So extract your point out ,at what point would you be happy with the term Bisexual ...what has to happen if anything for you to think bisexual is an appropriate term ?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"@Two2

cut.

The problem occurs in the swinging world because we take a completely different view of sex, as an activity and an end in it's own right. Recreational sex, NSA sex, fun, playing, group sex....

Therefore we feel they are biplayful/comfortable. These feelings play no part in their life outside of swinging circles therefore per se: they are not bisexual.

The only other feasible option woul;d be to redefine bisexual within the swinging community as a having a different meaning to those in the vanilla community.

You need make no apologies for your comments to us, that's just a part of this interesting debate isn't it?

xxx

Ju & Rich"

Not too sure about your journey comments here . All the research shows that a persons sexuality is pretty well formed between the ages of 18 months and 8 years old where the majority of synapses within the brain which govern your sexual landscape are formed .

Although some minority synapses not used or reinforced do drop away allowing new ones to form it is certainly fixed by 14 years of age.

is your evidence for this anecdotal or is there research i can look at would be interested in looking if there is .

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

No for once it was just a belief based on comments from people we have met.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

RnJ

I had a long think about what you say but I am still unable to see the benefits of this new label, and am still convinced it will simply lead to further confusion. I could understand, but do not think it necessary, if you wanted to use the term Bi uncertain or Bi undecided which would move folk out of the Bi curious bracket and give them a stepping stone into the Bi sexual grouping but Bi playful causes more problems than it solves.

If we accept Bi curious as unchanging and introduce Bi playful how would we now define Bi sexual, does Bi sexual now becomes the hardcore category as under what you propose I see little other use for the term?

Using this grading system if you are Bi sexual then you must have passed beyond the playful phase, and as such you would expect fellow bisexuals to wish to engage in the full gambit of bisexual fun, or are you suggesting we retain different levels of Bi sexuality which kind of begs the question what are we actually trying to achieve?

Many of those who are currently happy to declare themselves Bisexual, within the usual norms of the swingers understanding would, I suggest now seek to re badge themselves as Bi playful as they no longer satisfy the Bi sexual requirements. To gain the clarity you are seeking achieve surely we would also need to further subdivide along the lines of

For men….. Bi playful/mutual wank only/no kissing – Bi playful/mutual wank/oral receive only/no kissing – Bi playful/mutual wank/mutual oral/anal top only/no kissing etc etc

For women….. Bi playful/mutual touching/no kissing – Bi playful/mutual touching/oral receive only/no kissing etc etc

Now we have the problem of how to include the Bisexual group. Do true Bisexuals now not declare because they realise they will lose, for a variety of reasons to include their hardcore identity, their attraction within the playful community? A Bisexual will not appeal to many playful folk because of the fear of that “full on” commitment or the fear of not being able to offer full satisfaction. Most Bisexual folk nowadays are happy to include “respect your boundaries” in their profile but for clarity and ease do we now need the categories of Bi playful/non Bisexual and Bi playful/Bisexual capable, or even Bisexual/Bi playful-curious welcome?

All of this will only further confuse genuine Bisexual’s as they will now not really know if those Bi playful/Bisexual capable folk are genuine Bisexuals who have simply attempted to widen their catchment area, or genuine Bi playful folk who are considering the next level with a degree of trepidation.

You may consider the above a rather glib response and I would fully understand if you did but all I have done is put some alternative spin on your suggestion, in a sort of “what happens if we push this button” type of thing.

As the system stands we currently have straight, bi curious and bi sexual, terms which are fully understood by all within the swinging community and if used and expanded on correctly within a profile, sensibly discussed during initial contact and confirmed by all at the first meet I simply fail to see how things could go wrong.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"RnJ

I wish i did not have to use you in discussing this ,but your such an ideal example ..

You say everyone understands what

bicurious -bisexual means ,but in your case i am sure people will not expect the term bicurious to be used after 8 years of wearing it ...i know you can rationalise it and give a good reason for using it, however ,i contend that most people treat curious as never been there but want to try .

in terms of if there were another word as you have previously said why complicate it ...

Straight= No interest or have tried and did not enjoy

bicurious=never been there want to try

bi playful or capable = been there tried it and its possible in the heat of the moment (subject to who with and boundaries)

Bisexual=Fully committed and actively looking for others who enjoy full bisex

The boundaries would best left during discussion ...i am sure others would come up with better criteria than this ..but as we are theorising its a start.

i might start a thread to ask generally what people think the current terminology means

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Although some minority synapses not used or reinforced do drop away allowing new ones to form it is certainly fixed by 14 years of age.

is your evidence for this anecdotal or is there research i can look at would be interested in looking if there is .

I could point you in the direction of “Sexual Fluidity: Understanding Women’s Love and Desire” (Harvard University Press)

The related work and studies by the following Psychologists:

Lisa Diamond

Michael Bailey

Linda Alperstein

Robert Epstein

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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Although some minority synapses not used or reinforced do drop away allowing new ones to form it is certainly fixed by 14 years of age.

is your evidence for this anecdotal or is there research i can look at would be interested in looking if there is .

I could point you in the direction of “Sexual Fluidity: Understanding Women’s Love and Desire” (Harvard University Press)

The related work and studies by the following Psychologists:

Lisa Diamond

Michael Bailey

Linda Alperstein

Robert Epstein

you better not or ill retaliate with the secrets of love and lust by simon andreue

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Although some minority synapses not used or reinforced do drop away allowing new ones to form it is certainly fixed by 14 years of age.

is your evidence for this anecdotal or is there research i can look at would be interested in looking if there is .

I could point you in the direction of “Sexual Fluidity: Understanding Women’s Love and Desire” (Harvard University Press)

The related work and studies by the following Psychologists:

Lisa Diamond

Michael Bailey

Linda Alperstein

Robert Epstein

you better not or ill retaliate with the secrets of love and lust by simon andreue

In which case I’ll keep quiet about “Flex Sex” published in the psychologies magazine 2008.

Lisa Diamond’s 10 year study of 100 women’s sexuality.

Richard Lippa’s international study based on the BBC’s online survey on sexuality.

And may be a particular study by Michael Bailey (you’ll love this) he questions whether women have any sexual orientation at all (if orientation is defined as a biological pull towards one gender or another) and suggests from his research that women are inherently flexible; may be because they don’t have a directed sexual arousal pattern to dictate their preferences.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"RnJ

I wish i did not have to use you in discussing this ,but your such an ideal example ..

You say everyone understands what

in terms of if there were another word as you have previously said why complicate it ...

Straight= No interest or have tried and did not enjoy

bicurious=never been there want to try

bi playful or capable = been there tried it and its possible in the heat of the moment (subject to who with and boundaries)

Bisexual=Fully committed and actively looking for others who enjoy full bisex

The boundaries would best left during discussion ...i am sure others would come up with better criteria than this ..but as we are theorising its a start.

i might start a thread to ask generally what people think the current terminology means"

We have found that the happiest people in this way of life are the ones who expect nothing thus avoid disappointment hence

“but in your case i am sure people will not expect the term Bicurious to be used after 8 years of wearing it”

will not phase the sort of folk we like to meet. The sort of folk we like to meet are able to articulate and converse which helps establish what folk like and dislike and thereby avoids all confusion, which makes for success as we have experienced as opposed to some of the failures that you mention have befallen you.

Consider this if you will for some there will always be some confusion with regards to sexuality, with regards to wants and needs and with regards to ability to give and receive. For those folk it’s always best to proceed with caution rather than just diving in, which is why remaining under the umbrella of Bi curious is right for us. To the best of our knowledge we have not broken any unwritten swinging law and as we are not over stating our case we cannot be accused of any kind of deceit, in fact quite the contrary as we seem if we follow your "logic" to be underselling ourselves. This makes me seriously wonder at your confusion, so if we are doing something wrong please feel free to tell us.

As I previously stated we have been playing for a while now and in all the discussions with the folk we have ever met they have all had a rough handle on the terms Straight, Bi curious and Bi sexual but, and this is the deal breaker, they all agree that discussion is the only way set the parameters for success, in fact when you write

“The boundaries would best left during discussion”

you confirm that even if we did introduce Bi playful as an option the only way to determine who wants what from whom is via discussion, great word that.

Straight is quite simple and I agree with “No interest or have tried and did not enjoy”

Bicurious describes not only those people who have always wondered what same sex would actually be like but never tried it, but also includes those who have tried but are still to make a decision with regard to commitment let alone what else they wish to experience as part of the learning process. That’s simple and logical and, I apologise for the repetition, the idea that one taste of pussy or one suck on a cock makes you a confirmed bisexual is simply barking mad.

If I wanted to be a complete pedant I could further argue that how can anyone seriously consider stepping from under the curious umbrella if they had not tried the full gambit of bisexual fun, after all what actually constitutes a satisfied level of curiosity? However trying to assert that a guy who has sucked on a cock but not yet taken one in his arse cannot possibly be bisexual would clearly be ridiculous.

Bisexual is both complex and simplicity in it’s self provided you have a mind sufficiently open to understand it, fortunately to date everyone we have been lucky enough to meet has managed it with ease. In simplistic terms those who have decided that they want to move beyond Bi curious now align themselves with Bisexual and are happy to do so. This will include the guy who is into nothing more than mutual masturbation right through to the guy who enjoys receiving anal sex and the women who simply enjoys mutual touching through to the women who enjoys mutual oral fun.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp and I know you and others on this thread understand it fully. I know it because you have all used it successfully as you are all accomplished within this lifestyle which implies the answer is NO with regard to the OP’s question.

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By *ichNjudyCouple over a year ago

stoke on trent

I apologise for the repetition, the idea that one taste of pussy or one suck on a cock makes you a confirmed bisexual is simply barking mad.

Well actually and in total contrast to what we were thinking last night we now would say that in the vanilla world that would be exactly the case!

Rich had a chat with an employee of ours, he's vanilla but knows we are swingers, they spend a lot of time out on the road in the van and have plenty of time to chat.

This guy said in his opinion that if a bloke sucked another blokes cock (or the had his sucked) then that was a 'gay act' and anyone in their right mind would see it as gay. Not bi-curious or playful or anything else

Gay. Or OK bisexual if the guy also was married to a fem. So in stark contrast to what we were thinking that is the word from the vanilla world. And thinking about it now most every vanilla would probably say the same.

So where does that leave us. Well all swingers who enjoy a bit of same sex naughtyness are bisexual at best, apparently.

Having had a good chat about this and gotten to the bottom of it (so to speak) in our own minds, the real problem we have is with the term 'bicurious'

To say it describes a person who is thinking about same sex contact, and equally descibes a person who has been doing just that for 8 years is in all honesty quite ludicrous, and surely you can see the conradiction of that.

Judy describes herself as bisexual on profile - because she sis no longer curious about same sex activities. No that she tried the all but because she is often found at a party enjoying saeveral of the guys and several of the girls. You may fine her in a group situation or you may find her on her own with a guy or with a girl. But emotionally she is heterosexual - we are 'lifetime partners' if you like, and that ultimately says we are heterosexuals.

Now it sound like from the discussion on here that Judy and Mrs 2bonk are not such different creatures in thier sexual preferences - yet one chooses to call themselves bicurious and the other bisexual. if there was an in-between we would certainly tick it as we would be most comfortable with that term.

That's not to say frank discussion would not clarify everyone's sexuality at a meet - we like to feel we are as successful as youselves in this respect - but if the box was there yes it would have our tick as we feel it is the most accurate desciption.

J&R

PS 2bonk - we have yet to see your answer to the very good question of whether a person who has not yet experienced every flavour of heterosexual activity is straight-curious

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"RnJ

First things first i edited your reply

so that you and anyone else refering to the thread will find it easier to refer to the sections involved in my reply .

You keep meantioning ...the terms ..Barmy daft ,ludicrous which to be honest implies a poverty to your concepts and appears to be an attempt to ridicule ...which at no point have i or anyone else done that to you .

The problems meets we have encountered which you imply being a lack of discussion when selecting partners is incorrect.Our selection process is detailed and sophisticated .

It is probably more to do with bumping into some of the perpetrators of the 450.000 sexual assualts which take place within the 12,900 domestic violence crimes taking place every year.

If you seriously believe Fabs is free of these people perhaps we should inform the authorities and find out how it is done.

You say that quite rightly one taste of pussy or cock does not mean your bisexual ...i would agree ...howver a continuous desire to suck that cock or lick that pussy is bisexuality without doubt .

Most psycholgists and major bi orgasnisations consider the desire to try is a indication of bisexuality and it only us who wrap it up in the "curious" phrase .

A strict definition of a bisexual would be someone who has romantic and/or sexual relations with other people of more than one sex (though not necessarily at the same time).

However, since not everyone has necessarily had the opportunity to act on their sexual/romantic attractions, some people prefer a looser definition; for instance, that a bisexual is a person who - in their own estimation - feels potentially able to have such attraction. This could be anyone who has erotic, affectionate, or romantic feelings for, fantasies of, and/or experiences with both men and women

i would suggest that if you suck cock and enjoy it or enjoy recieving you are bisexual or if a woman licks another and enjoys it or recieves and enjoys it she is bisexual

However having said that maybe your right, maybe discussion is the only way to determine and seperate the form of which that sexual contact will take place.however shouldnt it be done as a bisexual and not as "curious"? .

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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that should be 12.9 million domestic violence crimes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

RnJ

Even though politeness dictates I really should not have to I will try to clear up your confusion with regards to Mrs Two’s Bicurious status. I am sure you will agree it is a complete contrast to Judy’s, which I am not questioning in any manner at all, in fact I would go so far as to say if we ever met she may well be the teacher that helps tip the balance.

Whilst we have been swinging for about 8 years my better half has only been exploring her Bi side for 3 or 4 and in that time her experiences have been varied and infrequent. We have some long term friends, 5 years now, where the girls occasionally play . It does not happen very often and will often only include touching and stroking although has included the occasional kiss and use of some toys. As we explained earlier she has partaken in an FFF experience in a club but if asked would say it was OK and nothing more. If pm’d by a couple with a Bisexual fem we say thanks but no thanks as we only ever meet couples where the fem is straight or Bicurious to specifically avoid the potential for a more full on experience, and she never takes the lead with other women but will respond in kind. Bicurious not only suits us but by using that term allows us to meet with couples where both women are happy to go at that experimental pace which enables them to relax and enjoy themselves without fear that the first touch may turn into an all in wrestling match.

We have broken no rules, told no lies, deceived no one and till now confused no one, but if you still think that by now Mrs Two2 SHOULD be Bisexual then that is your prerogative and we will simply have to disagree and move on.

I avoided the introduction of non swinging opinion in one of your earlier posts as I thought it too subjective however I concur fully with your last post in that most non swinging people would describe any same sex act in what ever context as a homosexual act, and it could be argued they are right to come to that conclusion. What they further struggle with, as do most swingers, is the thought that someone can be heterosexual in their vanilla life but then enjoy Bisexual activity as a swingers, as the two things are a complete contradiction to each other. Non swingers would naturally assume that, in their opinion, men who play with men and women who play with women in their swinging life must also be inclined to same sex fun in their normal day to day lives and it’s hard to argue against that thought process.

Mrs Two2 has a penchant for tall, dark, athletic and domineering type of guys or toned black guys and I always head her in their direction, although she seldom needs much directing when on offer in a club. I know for a fact that outside of a swinging environment those feelings do not change but how she reacts to them does. We have played the game in a bar of “See anyone you fancy” and invariably we both do, but up till now have not acted upon it.

With that in mind anyone who is a confirmed Bisexual with in the lifestyle is going to have to present a bloody strong case to prove that they have absolutely no inclination what so ever to same sex fun in their vanilla life. They may well, as we do, not act on that attraction but to say there is none is simply not going to fly.

One of the reasons folk keep their swinging lifestyle separate from their non swinging lifestyle is the perception amongst monogamous couples that we are predators, always on the prowl and no one is safe. Imagine if your mates knew you were swingers and bisexual, how much insecurity could that conjure up?

Serious head off – Tongue in cheek head on

“PS 2bonk - we have yet to see your answer to the very good question of whether a person who has not yet experienced every flavour of heterosexual activity is straight-curious

”

This is an easy one. There are plenty of women out there who are convinced that a hot salty gargle is the equivalent of battery acid. The vast majority of guys are of the belief that Box 2 (your bum for those not sure what box 2 is) is in fact a non return valve but contrast that with their constant whining about access to the wife’s Box 2, however the first time they go in to an unprepared opening then pull out with the inevitable tide mark around the base of their cock normally cures them for life.

I would suggest that is a couple of examples of folk who are straighter than a roman road and for ever will be, but as always I am prepared to be proven wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

PD,

Not quite sure where you see the conflict in my posts as I was simply trying to engage with you with regards to some of your ideas and experiences.

Not sure why it is now detracting from the OP's question but I will refer you to my post to RnJ which should hopefully clear up your Bicurious confusion, but in case it does not I will just extract a couple of things from your post for clarity.

“You say that quite rightly one taste of pussy or cock does not mean your bisexual ...i would agree ...howver a continuous desire to suck that cock or lick that pussy is i would suggest that if you suck cock and enjoy it or enjoy recieving you are bisexual or if a woman licks another and enjoys it or recieves and enjoys it she is bisexual bisexuality without doubt”

I would agree totally with that, but please excuse me introducing a small but none the less important point, when did we ever indicate a “continuous desire”? If you had said a continuous confusion or a continuous uncertainty about licking pussy I could accept that but desire is very very wide of the mark.

“Most psycholgists and major bi orgasnisations consider the desire to try is a indication of bisexuality and it only us who wrap it up in the "curious" phrase”

You could further argue that most vanilla folk consider the desire to try as being an indication of homosexuality but I was really trying to keep this as an original and thought provoking debate amongst likeminded folk.

“i would suggest that if you suck cock and enjoy it or enjoy recieving you are bisexual or if a woman licks another and enjoys it or recieves and enjoys it she is bisexual”

Again I cant fault your logic, but if I were to change it to

“i would suggest that if you suck cock and are not yet convinced you are actually enjoying it or sometimes enjoy receiving but are still a bit confused about it you are ______________ or if a woman licks another and thinks it’s ok but is still unsure or recieves and thinks it’s quite nice but am I really certain I want a women doing this to me, she is ________________”

what adjective would you now put in the gap?

“However having said that maybe your right, maybe discussion is the only way to determine and seperate the form of which that sexual contact will take place.however shouldnt it be done as a bisexual and not as "curious"?”

I would have thought that really depends on the individuals definition of bicurious and bisexual, which hopefully clears up the Two2 confusion nicely

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"PD,

“Most psycholgists and major bi orgasnisations consider the desire to try is a indication of bisexuality and it only us who wrap it up in the "curious" phrase”

“i would suggest that if you suck cock and enjoy it or enjoy recieving you are bisexual or if a woman licks another and enjoys it or recieves and enjoys it she is bisexual”

Again I cant fault your logic, but if I were to change it to

what adjective would you now put in the gap?

I just do not understand why your twisting in the wind on this definition of bicurious and bisexual.

Your definition is totally out of step with current definitions and scientific research done over many decades.

If you have sucked cock or recieved and have enjoyed itin any way ,by every definition currently in existence you are bisexual !

If you did not enjoy it\desire it ..why do you continue to do it ?

More importantly why do you feel the need to mask your true sexuality ?

It is the same if your partner is licking a pussy or doing anything else to a women ..why would she if she did not like it ,why ever do it again?,

To suggest and allow further exploration means she enjoyed aspects of it which is bisexuality, there is no doubt or room for manouver on this .

You can mask it as "i am curious" but the desire to do it, puts you into the bisexual camp by any definition you can call upon.

Why on earth would you or anyone (coercion apart) want to do something, that you do not enjoy?

The reason i labour the point is not "confusion" as you put it .It is that until we differentiate the difference between Curious and bisexual how can anyone determine if there is ever a need for another term, your reluctance to accept your bisexuality would suggest there is a need.

Finally i may have misundertood your point to R+J in which case i appologise in advanbce ,but your wish to only consort with other "curious" people rather than "fully accepting bisexuals" seems illogial

If you are truly "exploring" then why not go with people who are confirmed and experienced and can show you the way ?.

just a thought

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By *irtyduoCouple over a year ago

nr stirling

"lyn is bi but she has found there are 4 types of bi

bi curious- dabblers either to satisfy own or partners satisfaction,

bi givers - give pleasure to both sexes,

bi receivers - receive from both sexes,

bi - enjoy sex from either sex both giving and receiving

but we have found you meet a woman saying she is bi curious she will lie back and just wants to be played with sort of selfish we think !!!!!

"
hi,

my profile says bi-curious and bleive me im the one who gives most of the time so not strictly true that we are shelfish and only receive, altho there probably are ones like that. x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without wishing to sound rude I am now starting to understand how teachers must feel when the odd pupil in front of them is simply unable to grasp something everyone else in the class can clearly see.

The problem you have, and lets be very clear here it's your problem and not ours, is you are simply unable to think outside the box and understand our stance, even though the reasons for it are laid out clearly in front of you.

You have tied yourself up in science and research to the point it has clouded your judgement. So much so that you believe that because something doesn’t fit with current thinking it's simply wrong rather than having a true open mind and considering that maybe others could have a point, which sort of suggests maybe you are the one who has a poverty of concepts, just a thought?

Before I get to the true irony of your thought process let me pick up on a couple of your points........... in fact lets avoid simply going round the buoy again and get straight to the irony

If as you say

"To suggest and allow further exploration means she enjoyed aspects of it which is bisexuality, there is no doubt or room for manoeuvre on this .

You can mask it as "i am curious" but the desire to do it, puts you into the bisexual camp by any definition you can call upon"

why do we need any other term along the lines of Biplayful etc at all?

Surely using your logic if you are not bicurious you are simply bisexual "by any definition you can call upon", your words not mine?

Unless of course you are now trying to suggest that beyond the curious state there needs to another area for those who are still confused with regards to their sexuality before they enter the world of full on Bisexual activity?

If so are you suggesting that there are folk out there who have dipped their toes into the Bisexual pool but are not yet sure they are ready to take the plunge and join the full on Bisexual clan?

I am certain you are not as that would not fit with “To suggest and allow further exploration means she enjoyed aspects of it which is bisexuality, there is no doubt or room for manoeuvre on this ”, would it?

A thought though

“If you are truly "exploring" then why not go with people who are confirmed and experienced and can show you the way ?.”

Did you ever stop to think, just for a moment that what we do is our choice? That out of consideration for others we do not want play with experienced folk to avoid letting them down and to avoid the full on fun that experienced folk like and we do not? Did that notion cross your mind for even a brief moment?

I am prepared to be corrected but I have yet to see a rule book or a league table that dictates in this matter so if we are happy meeting with Bicurious folk what possible impact can it have on you or anyone else for that matter?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"PD

Before I get to the true irony of your thought process let me pick up on a couple of your points........... in fact lets avoid simply going round the buoy again and get straight to the irony

If as you say

"To suggest and allow further exploration means she enjoyed aspects of it which is bisexuality, there is no doubt or room for manoeuvre on this .

You can mask it as "i am curious" but the desire to do it, puts you into the bisexual camp by any definition you can call upon"

why do we need any other term along the lines of Biplayful etc at all?

Surely using your logic if you are not bicurious you are simply bisexual "by any definition you can call upon", your words not mine?

If so are you suggesting that there are folk out there who have dipped their toes into the Bisexual pool but are not yet sure they are ready to take the plunge and join the full on Bisexual clan?

A thought though

“If you are truly "exploring" then why not go with people who are confirmed and experienced and can show you the way ?.”

First once again the teacher comment is beneath you, stick to your position and support it without attempting to denegrate my hypothesis with trivia and irrelevance.I also do not need examples I understand your concepts exactly i just disagree with your stance.

So if i can, lets go back to basics as i still believe your missing the point as to defining you own sexuality.

In order to decide if a word is required it must be useful to first define the extremeties.

We have defined "Straight" which you found to be accurate, so lets look at the other end Bisexual.

Please define to me what "your" concept of Bisexuality is because you seem to be trying to dismiss the fact that any form of bisexual act commited continuously in the State of want or desire puts you as a bisexual.

If that is your stance can you explain how the bisexual acts you have committed over the last 8 years ..or 4 years in the past (with i assume various people),differs from other sexual play with same gender partners.?.

I ask because it appears your definition is going against all other thinking on the subject including the majority of Bisexual pressure groups around the world .

If you maintian that stance,how can you possible comment on whether another word is needed. are you not actually negating your ability to rationaly comment on whether another word is required,if you refuse to accept the existing meaning of Bisexual ?

i would appreciate straight answers rather than analogies,which to be honest are just not required .

thanks for an interesting debate .

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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Although some minority synapses not used or reinforced do drop away allowing new ones to form it is certainly fixed by 14 years of age.

is your evidence for this anecdotal or is there research i can look at would be interested in looking if there is .

I could point you in the direction of “Sexual Fluidity: Understanding Women’s Love and Desire” (Harvard University Press)

The related work and studies by the following Psychologists:

Lisa Diamond

Michael Bailey

Linda Alperstein

Robert Epstein

you better not or ill retaliate with the secrets of love and lust by simon andreue

In which case I’ll keep quiet about “Flex Sex” published in the psychologies magazine 2008.

Lisa Diamond’s 10 year study of 100 women’s sexuality.

Richard Lippa’s international study based on the BBC’s online survey on sexuality.

i read the outline of that bailey study

and yes its easy to make the case for that.However it sort of dosent touch on the events in 1915 in Russia,Where women in a man free society did not gravitate towards each other which in a no pressure environment you would of actually thought they would.

In fact after a year they gravitated to male prisioners who they were put in charge of after a pow camp was built .

Within a week all of the women had male lovers and it went on to polyamourous realtionships with most women having 3 male prisioners each servicing there needs.

Upon the return of some of there husbands who were injured they decided with the help of the local nurse to poison there husbands so the fun could continue.Many of them were subsequently shot for murder

Of course statistically a portion of them had to be bisexual ..However if they were flexible in sexuality with no outlet,I would of thought they would of gone to each other .

God women can be ruthless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

PD,

Straight answers you shall have

Our version

Straight is already a given

Bicurious – Folk who are curious about bisexual fun, folk who have tried but remain uncertain about bisexual fun and folk who do not yet feel confident enough because of lack of overall experience to call themselves bisexual.

Bisexual – Folk who have concluded they are no longer curious and feel confident enough to align themselves with other Bisexual people.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"PD,

Straight answers you shall have

Our version

Straight is already a given

Bisexual – Folk who have concluded they are no longer curious and feel confident enough to align themselves with other Bisexual people.

Ok thanks for the brevity ..you views are outside majority of classifications of bisexuality and is probably why your theories do not sit too well .

I include several definitions below but to be honest could find 40 + all saying the same ...almost to the point of the intention and desire to explore is bisexuality

I start with wilkpedia and would suggest using those criteria you are in fact already bisexual ..however i acknowledge your right to disagree and orient your sexuality as you see fit .

wilkpedia.

Bisexuality refers to sexual behavior with[1] or physical attraction to people of both genders (male and female), or a bisexual orientation. People who have a bisexual orientation "can experience sexual, emotional, and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex"

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oxford concise

bisexual

• adjective 1 sexually attracted to both men and women. 2 Biology having characteristics of both sexes.

• noun a person who is sexually attracted to both men and women.

— DERIVATIVES bisexuality noun.

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Collins

bisexual ADJ

1 sexually attracted to both men and women

2 showing characteristics of both sexes N

a bisexual person ? bisexuality n

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What is "a bisexual"?

A strict definition of a bisexual would be someone who has romantic and/or sexual relations with other people of more than one sex (though not necessarily at the same time. However, since not everyone has necessarily had the opportunity to act on their sexual/romantic attractions, some people prefer a looser definition; for instance, that a bisexual is a person who - in their own estimation - feels potentially able to have such attraction. This could be anyone who has erotic, affectionate, or romantic feelings for, fantasies of, and/or experiences with both men and women. A bisexual may be more attracted to one sex than the other, attracted equally to both, or find people's sex unimportant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love the old cut and paste game because somewhere out there in the ether there is always something that will contradict. I think once you have waded through the comments below you would have to agree there is quite a bit of evidence that actually supports our stance

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Bi-curious/id/1931664

The full article can be found using the link above but I have hacked out something for you to ponder

“Someone who is bi-curious has a sexual orientation, behaviour, or self-identification, which is close to but not quite entirely heterosexual or homosexual. There are several different conventional meanings of this term, some of which are mutually exclusive.”

“Bi-curious - Usage

Consider the following people, any of whom might be considered "bi-curious" by one definition or another. Not everyone would agree that "bi-curious" is the best term to use in any of these situations, or even that it applies at all. Someone with a heterosexual self-identification who has feelings for people of the same gender which they are unsure are romantic or sexual, and who may later change their self-identification to bisexual. Some people would say they "discovered" that their true orientation was bisexual, and possibly advise them to change their self-identification; others would say their orientation had actually changed from heterosexual to bisexual (see environment, choice, and sexual orientation for a debate on whether it is possible to change one's sexual orientation). This person, while in a period of exploration and possible transition, might be described as "questioning", which is what the "Q" sometimes added to "LGBT" stands for. This process has a variety of possible manifestations, including public or private contemplation of the possibility (perhaps prompted by certain feelings, perhaps at first merely an intellectual curiosity), fantasizing about a novel type of sexual encounter, or being unsure whether or not one actually enjoyed previous sexual encounters or whether one wants to do it again.

Someone who has a primarily opposite-gender orientation, but who has a long-term but slight attraction to members of the same gender, or a strong attraction to a small number of people of the same gender. "Bi-curious" here becomes an "alternative" sexual orientation somewhere between heterosexual and bisexual

A heterosexual who advertises that they are a "bi-curious" homosexual because they think it will make them more attractive to potential sex partners (because they are forbidden fruit, or because they would be a better choice because they would not seek long-term commitment, be more experienced in more exotic-seeming sex acts, or have certain positive stereotypical attributes).

A magazine, sex club, chat line, or video which markets itself to "bi-curious" people. This might be intended to appeal to people who are uncomfortable with their homosexual attractions, or who do not wish to be associated with the terms "homosexual", "gay", or "bisexual".

Reaction to the use of the term "bi-curious" is varied, above and beyond the definitional complexities described above. Some people believe it is too often or always used as a euphemism, or that it is a trite label because it implies that one's sexual orientation is. Both LGBTQ support groups and anti-LGBTQ groups use it as an inclusive term of self-identification to reach out to people who are questioning their sexuality.

From Wiki which I think makes our point quite succinctly

Bi-curious is a term used to refer to someone who does not identify as bisexual or homosexual but feels or shows some curiosity in a relationship or sexual activity with someone of the same sex. The term can also apply to a person who generally identifies as homosexual but feels or shows some interest in having a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. The terms homoflexible and hete

exible are also applied to bicuriosity.

The term bi-curious implies that the individual has had no sexual experience—or very little—of that sort, but may continue to self-identify as bi-curious if they do not feel they have adequately explored these feelings, or if they do not wish to identify as bisexual

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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i had read that and digested all previously and looked for a example of how curious could fit your particulr example .

In terms curious it seems to suggest as i propososed that the definition did not fit your particular example

It discusses Bicuriosity in terms of the desire to try or even with a limited nunber of people. It also meantions "not wanting to identify with full bisexuality" which as i said previously is your right if you wish and i would support that Right

however it does not mean i agree with it

the wilki definition .mentions no contact or very little and surely does not apply in your case ?

I just do not see how that applies if you have been trying-enjoying or "experimenting" with same gender sex for 8 years or in your partners case for 4 years and with the few encounters you have previuosly described,i would have to assess you as bisexual .

The only reason this is important is that if we can not agree on the existing terms how can a rational conclusion be drawn as to whether another word is needed in the case of women ...which was the original op question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

PD,

Well I must to say in the 8 years of enjoying uncomplicated fun with some of the most enlightened likeminded folk you could hope to meet this is the first time we have ever been subjected to a critique. In fact the notion that we have been “assessed” and found wanting has us giggling at the thought

Whilst I am straight Mrs Two2 is more than happy to admit to being Bicurious as she freely admits to being, and I suspect you either missed or ignored this from our previous post………….

“Someone who has a primarily opposite-gender orientation, but who has a long-term but slight attraction to members of the same gender, or a strong attraction to a small number of people of the same gender. "Bi-curious" here becomes an "alternative" sexual orientation somewhere between heterosexual and bisexual”

I can of course fully understand why you chose to omit the last 10 words of

“ The term bi-curious implies that the individual has had no sexual experience—or very little—of that sort, but may continue to self-identify as bi-curious if they do not feel they have adequately explored these feelings, or if they do not wish to identify as bisexual.”

as their inclusion would blow rather a large hole in your argument.

And of course this does not give any credence to our position

“A magazine, sex club, chat line, or video which markets itself to "bi-curious" people. This might be intended to appeal to people who are uncomfortable with their homosexual attractions, or who do not wish to be associated with the terms "homosexual", "gay", or "bisexual"

It would seem even the world of commerce understands the incredibly simple notion that some folk are more comfy considering themselves Bicurious.

I could go on labouring the point but I doubt you will ever quite get it so let me try to put another spin on it.

On one hand we have two people who, to date have successfully navigated the swinging seas. During the journey they have made new discoveries that go beyond the partner swap scenario and include some occasional Bi fun, the club scene and now the enjoyment of including a single guy for Mrs Two2 to enjoy. They are happy and content with their identity and the good times that it has led to and look forward eagerly to it continuing in the same vein.

On the other hand we have some folk who by their own admission are thoroughly confused with regards to their sexuality. They are no longer Bicurious but cannot accept the science that says they are Bisexual and feel the need to create another identity to somehow make them feel more inclusive. Some enjoy the success that the couple above enjoy while some admit to more than their fair share of disasters.

Who do you think has got it right?

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

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"PD,

Whilst I am straight Mrs Two2 is more than happy to admit to being Bicurious as she freely admits to being, and I suspect you either missed or ignored this from our previous post………….

I can of course fully understand why you chose to omit the last 10 words of

“ The term bi-curious implies that the individual has had no sexual experience—or very little—of that sort, but may continue to self-identify as bi-curious if they do not feel they have adequately explored these feelings, or if they do not wish to identify as bisexual.”

as their inclusion would blow rather a large hole in your argument.

And of course this does not give any credence to our position

It would seem even the world of commerce understands the incredibly simple notion that some folk are more comfy considering themselves Bicurious.

I could go on labouring the point but I doubt you will ever quite get it so let me try to put another spin on it.

Who do you think has got it right?

No its not that i do not get it, i just do not agree with your stance stacked up against all of the psychosexual research done by eminent doctors around the world for the lat 50 years.

Of course you are entitled to carry on enjoying your umcomplicated fun and this thread is purely about atempting to put a arguament togeter or otherwise for a new word and not a critique of your stance ..it just happends to fit quite nicely in to the debate and i have tried to not refeer to your position but you drag it in .

BUT i have not judged you at any point and have defended your right to call yourself whatever you wish, I have simply given my interpretation of how i see it stacked up against the current definision of Bisexual.

Which is why i made the point if we fundamentaly disagree on the extremeties of current terminology .how can either of us put up a pro or anti arguament for another word when we have no constant frame of reference ?

Incidently if your straight as you have just said in your post,Why are you listed as bicurious as i thought we both agreed on the definition of straight ?

now i am confused !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cos he aint tried yet and might not like it, so he will be straight - at the mo he can slip into bi and straight at will, just be sure to use a condom lmao

Well I think......... do tell bonky lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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"Cos he aint tried yet and might not like it, so he will be straight - at the mo he can slip into bi and straight at will, just be sure to use a condom lmao

Well I think......... do tell bonky lol"

Poor Will !! pmsl

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cos he aint tried yet and might not like it, so he will be straight - at the mo he can slip into bi and straight at will, just be sure to use a condom lmao

Well I think......... do tell bonky lol"

Got it in one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread is so confusing to us mere heterosexual mortals, seems like some of these descriptions being put forward are just a means of saying only if it feels right, well surely that’s the case for anyone and a label is not needed, a simple NO should suffice, communication is the key here, not more labels.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Cos he aint tried yet and might not like it, so he will be straight - at the mo he can slip into bi and straight at will, just be sure to use a condom lmao

Well I think......... do tell bonky lol

Got it in one

This isnt really working is it ...you described yourself in a post today as "straight" .

you agreed the definition of straight is ! No interest or have tried and did not enjoy"

You agree with sin in his reply that you have not tried yet andf you list in your profile your bicurious .

Which is it straight or bicurious ?

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By *ebzStarWoman over a year ago

Notting

"This thread is so confusing to us mere heterosexual mortals, seems like some of these descriptions being put forward are just a means of saying only if it feels right, well surely that’s the case for anyone and a label is not needed, a simple NO should suffice, communication is the key here, not more labels."

I agree on the communication front!!!

Just cos Bi does not mean that EVERY meet means i will jump on the fem....

Still like me old cocker!!! llol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cos he aint tried yet and might not like it, so he will be straight - at the mo he can slip into bi and straight at will, just be sure to use a condom lmao

Well I think......... do tell bonky lol

Got it in one

This isnt really working is it ...you described yourself in a post today as "straight" .

you agreed the definition of straight is ! No interest or have tried and did not enjoy"

You agree with sin in his reply that you have not tried yet andf you list in your profile your bicurious .

Which is it straight or bicurious ?"

Your struggle here is with your own reliance on science, it has got you so blinkered that you just cant have a single original thought.

If you had any sort of open minded approach to this you could have used your intellect to ask yourself some simple questions before posting in your standard accusational but ill informed manner.

Once again politeness dictates I should not have to justify myself on here but as politeness seems to be sadly lacking in some I will.

I changed my profile only a couple of months ago because watching Mrs Two2 sucking guys cocks turned me on so much I started to wonder what it would be like to do it my self. I have gone no further than wonder and I seriously doubt I ever will but because I am so open minded and never say never it is on my profile as one of life's possibles, but at this time because of my continuing to wonder is still firmly in my own mind I still consider my self straight.

Now I know that will not fit with your science but quite frankly I couldn't care less. This link gave enough scientific information to suggest that Mrs Two's use of Bicurious is appropriate

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Bi-curious/id/1931664

But your answer to it was to sweep it aside as it does not fit your judgement model and fully expect to be told I wrong yet again.

You write

"No its not that i do not get it, i just do not agree with your stance stacked up against all of the psychosexual research done by eminent doctors around the world for the lat 50 years."

My link suggests otherwise so quite how you have arrived at "all of the psychological research" astounds me but does not surprise me in the least.

I asked you a fairly simple and straight forward in my earlier post

One couple is happy and having continual uncomplicated fun.

Someone else is confused and having regular failures.

Who's got it right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We agree totally and have been arguing that from the start of the thread.

Communication has worked very well for us to date because we apply a lot of common sense when trying to meet people. If you ask the right questions you will get the right answers which has, so far helped us avoid things going horribly wrong.

Whilst, as is fully apparent in this thread, that uncomplicated approach is not going to work for everyone we firmly believe that if you keep it simple it works

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Cos he aint tried yet and might not like it, so he will be straight - at the mo he can slip into bi and straight at will, just be sure to use a condom lmao

Well I think......... do tell bonky lol

Got it in one

This isnt really working is it ...you described yourself in a post today as "straight" .

you agreed the definition of straight is ! No interest or have tried and did not enjoy"

You agree with sin in his reply that you have not tried yet andf you list in your profile your bicurious .

Which is it straight or bicurious ?

Your struggle here is with your own reliance on science, it has got you so blinkered that you just cant have a single original thought.

If you had any sort of open minded approach to this you could have used your intellect to ask yourself some simple questions before posting in your standard accusational but ill informed manner.

Once again politeness dictates I should not have to justify myself on here but as politeness seems to be sadly lacking in some I will.

Now I know that will not fit with your science but quite frankly I couldn't care less. This link gave enough scientific information to suggest that Mrs Two's use of Bicurious is appropriate

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Bi-curious/id/1931664

But your answer to it was to sweep it aside as it does not fit your judgement model and fully expect to be told I wrong yet again.

You write

"No its not that i do not get it, i just do not agree with your stance stacked up against all of the psychosexual research done by eminent doctors around the world for the lat 50 years."

My link suggests otherwise so quite how you have arrived at "all of the psychological research" astounds me but does not surprise me in the least.

I asked you a fairly simple and straight forward in my earlier post

One couple is happy and having continual uncomplicated fun.

Someone else is confused and having regular failures.

Who's got it right? "

I will ignore your opening statements and attempt to support your position with a personal critique of me,something i have never done in your case.I much prefer to deal in the mechanics of the thread as it has occured.

You have chosen to relate and discuss your position and revealed details about your sexual experiences to date,

you discussed it openly, without coercion,despite me trying on several occations to stear it away and speak in generic terms.

However if you feel it unkind of me to have asked you that last question, i am big enough to say i appologise. But your new indignation seems to be contrary to your previous contributions to the thread.

I did not ask you to give us chapter and verse on your position in terms of sexual experience. I have never asked you to reveal anything relatiing to your sexual experiences ,just your views relating to the thread.

I did simply asked you to clarify the position with reference to your statement of being straight.

This is a logical thing to do given the nature of the thread,previous discussions and contributions from you and in the light of you showing as bicurious.

You had previously agreed the definition of Straight and then agreed with sins comment following that claim.

I feel that question was legitimate and could of been expalained far easier by you, than volunteering to reveal your sexual experiences, but it has been your choice to do so.

It really does not matter what group you choose to identify with, or if you choose to call yourself straight ,bi curious,bisexual ,gay ,or chuck berry

As i have said on numerous occassions i support your right to do it and say it,contextualising your personal view with reference to sexual encounters has been the way you have chosen to support your position .

What is now important to me, is that if you are beginning to feel the need to "justify" yourself (rest assured i am not looking for you to do that).Perhaps by revealing more about your personal self than you are comfortable with.

Then that is unnaceptable to me and i am sorry for my inadvertant contribution which put you into that position,but i did not type your posts

Therefore in the light of your new found indignation, to be honest it is simply not worth discussing any further.

As i have said previously there is no real possibility of agreement or a definitive outcome, as I disagree with your interpretation of exisiting terminology.

So end of and closure for me

nice debate though thankyou

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By *unluvincplCouple over a year ago

toytown

to us bicurious is i fancy tryin.

bisexual is tryed it ,liked it,want more

everything else is hot air

You cant be a virgin more than once

simples

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Although some minority synapses not used or reinforced do drop away allowing new ones to form it is certainly fixed by 14 years of age.

is your evidence for this anecdotal or is there research i can look at would be interested in looking if there is .

I could point you in the direction of “Sexual Fluidity: Understanding Women’s Love and Desire” (Harvard University Press)

The related work and studies by the following Psychologists:

Lisa Diamond

Michael Bailey

Linda Alperstein

Robert Epstein

you better not or ill retaliate with the secrets of love and lust by simon andreue

In which case I’ll keep quiet about “Flex Sex” published in the psychologies magazine 2008.

Lisa Diamond’s 10 year study of 100 women’s sexuality.

Richard Lippa’s international study based on the BBC’s online survey on sexuality.

i read the outline of that bailey study

In fact after a year they gravitated to male prisioners who they were put in charge of after a pow camp was built .

Within a week all of the women had male lovers and it went on to polyamourous realtionships with most women having 3 male prisioners each servicing there needs.

Of course statistically a portion of them had to be bisexual ..However if they were flexible in sexuality with no outlet,I would of thought they would of gone to each other .

God women can be ruthless

Would the possibility of being sent to an asylum in 1915 (or just shot in the back of the head) have any influence over the displayed sexual activity? A number of more recent studies do demonstrate the impact of nurture on sexual behaviour – the influence of which is much stronger when you’re not controlled by your dick lol (as Bailey suggests).

There is then the line of thought that the basic desire to reproduce may have influenced behaviour – any dick becomes a desired dick when there is a sperm shortage. But I am not really interested in treading that route.

More recent studies of inmate behaviour do strongly suggest the opposite to the observations in Russia. And more interestingly how easily males switch between heterosexual and homosexual activity, depending on whether they are incarcerated or not. Generally biatches are expected to be submissive receivers, rather than equal lovers, something which differs greatly when looking at female inmate behaviours.

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By *igersgobounce69Couple over a year ago

Southend

This is really interesting as I was having a similar conversation with another woman.

I am Bisexual (and proud of it lol. Yes I agree that before I had played with a woman I was bi-curious....in other words..I was curious to know what it was like and if the feelings I had about other women were real.

Other than that there are no other 'labels. You are either...straight, curious, bisexual or gay. There is no Bi-playful, Bi-friendly or anything other made up label.

If you have played with another woman/man and enjoyed playing with them and have played with woman/men on subsequent occasions be it, that the timing was right, or mood was right, this makes you Bi end off

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

bump

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By *969funCouple over a year ago

NOTTINGHAM

We both just use the 'bi curious' label, though in the right company we can be seriously gay with no limts, apart from safe sex in guy/guy intercourse always being insisted on. Feels like we persist with the curious label to let people know that gay sex is something we're both comfortable with but not something we insist on. But it looks downright silly sometimes as we're no longer 'curious' about our sexuality!

At the end of the day we know that we're always honest and up front about this issue in the chats before we move into the fun!

The one thing that annoys the pants off us is guys who put 'straight' on their profile but in messages declare they's secretly bi. This smacks of deception as if guys offer this to get a fuck with the woman!! We stick to gaydar when we're looking for guys that are up for MMF threesome fun - experience tells us there is invariably fun on it for both of us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We both just use the 'bi curious' label, though in the right company we can be seriously gay with no limts, apart from safe sex in guy/guy intercourse always being insisted on. Feels like we persist with the curious label to let people know that gay sex is something we're both comfortable with but not something we insist on. But it looks downright silly sometimes as we're no longer 'curious' about our sexuality!

At the end of the day we know that we're always honest and up front about this issue in the chats before we move into the fun!

Probably a different thread.... But wanted to say we love this reply. Shows your honest and goes to prove some of the more dishonesty that mars the scene...

Good on ya guys... Love the honesty

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

its nice to revisit old threads and get new views so thought i would bump this one up for any new slants ...

pd .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

closet queen at confused.com if you ask me.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"closet queen at confused.com if you ask me."

who you talking to me ....you stalking me lol.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Gawd - this does go on, doesn't it?

What about those of us that are coming at this from the other angle?

I'd say that I'm on the slightly bi side of gay - that I'm almost exclusively lesbian, but just not quite - not all the time - sometimes I fancy some plain uncomplicated sex from a guy... as in "screw me and then screw off..."

There's as many ways to look at this as there are people trying to crawl into bed....

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Gawd - this does go on, doesn't it?

What about those of us that are coming at this from the other angle?

There's as many ways to look at this as there are people trying to crawl into bed....

yeah your right i learnt from this thread, that the existing terminology means different things to different people.So you have to confirm via chat what there percieved status is and match it your own perceptions ...you are probably less of an unknown as you can be quite clear about what it is you seek ,...hats off to you

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

So glad I'm straight, I couldn't do with the heartache you lot must go through just deciding where you stand and what the correct terminology is.

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