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"So what if you’re not English? " Although, of course, you might be. | |||
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"Oh Yeah lol I’m just quoting what someone messaged me saying lol" Just ignore these people. We are not all the same.x | |||
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"It’s not a problem at all. I just wondered like why someone can just consinder me non English just cause of my colour of skin lol "Ignore those who go by skin colour. It blinds them. | |||
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"Wouldn't you be british ? It gets confusing since english is a language. "Not just a language! English Scottish Welsh Irish Being of that Country | |||
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"Wouldn't you be british ? It gets confusing since english is a language.
Not just a language!
English
Scottish
Welsh
Irish
Being of that Country"It's the same here southern,midwest, northeast weird how different meanings and colloquialism is so different. | |||
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"Odd isn't it. I'm white but born in a South Asian country and hold dual nationality. It confuses small minded people when I say where I'm born and where my family are." It doesn't matter if you are proud of both. It shouldn't be a downfall. | |||
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"Wouldn't you be british ? It gets confusing since english is a language.
Not just a language!
English
Scottish
Welsh
Irish
Being of that Country
It's the same here southern,midwest, northeast weird how different meanings and colloquialism is so different."Are Southern, Midwest etc different countries? England, Scotland, Wales, NI etc are different countries, which collectively make up GB. So, it's not really the same thing as different segments of the USA. Wales, Scotland, NI and parts of England (such as Cornwall) have their own languages. Anyway, to the OP, your skin colour does not define your nationality. Anyone can be British or English. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "If you were born in England you're English and also British! Beyond that you're free to self identify. I'm white and can never be English , the best I can hope for is Naturalized British Citizen. If it helps I was told to fuck off and go back to my country a week ago, so it seems even the biggots are equal opportunities now.... | |||
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"Are any of us truly English.... Britain has been invaded and conquered many times "invaded at least 70 times but I’d say conquered twice. | |||
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"Oh Yeah lol I’m just quoting what someone messaged me saying lol Just ignore these people. We are not all the same.x" OH MY GOD your pictures are stunning xx | |||
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"Are any of us truly English.... Britain has been invaded and conquered many times "And it was under a sheet of ice not that long ago! It’s all meaningless. | |||
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"Are any of us truly English.... Britain has been invaded and conquered many times invaded at least 70 times but I’d say conquered twice. "I stand corrected... even so after 70 or more invasions it's difficult for any of 7s to actually say we are truly British. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "If you were born in England,your English,simple as that. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "Do you Identify as :- English British British Asian Asian African Etc...etc. You haven't actually said yourself | |||
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"Are any of us truly English.... Britain has been invaded and conquered many times
And it was under a sheet of ice not that long ago!
It’s all meaningless. "I must've stayed in with the heating on that day | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? If you were born in England,your English,simple as that." | |||
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Ok, moving on. If you want to be able to think of yourself as specifically English then you have to be racist, know the first verse of the national anthem but no more, rave about all these amazing things we invented - not realising that they're Scottish, know whether to put jam or cream on your scone first depending on the county you're in, be really confused about how the hell the country is broken down into counties, and have pissed yourself on the porch because you couldn't get the door open quick enough coming back from the pub before realising that you're at the wrong house.
It's all in the citizenship test. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "Absolute poppycock, take no notice dude, you're as English as I am but we just have different heritages. I suppose your username could be a bit misleading though | |||
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"So what if you’re not English? " Exactly.
The problem is some people are ashamed of their own races/descendant and thus want to be recognised as caucasian or white or latin or whatever "better" in their own mind. | |||
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"So what if you’re not English? Exactly.
The problem is some people are ashamed of their own races/descendant and thus want to be recognised as caucasian or white or latin or whatever "better" in their own mind."Be proud of heritage and nationality. Doesn't matter what skin colors we are. UK military no matter what thier affiliation scots welsh british irish where impressive to me. They where all 1. Same as US troops. No understanding the different languages wad a whole other matter .  | |||
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"Oh Yeah lol I’m just quoting what someone messaged me saying lol" That's pretty disgusting, OP. So sorry that happened. As others have said, we're not all that narrow minded x | |||
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"So what if you’re not English? Exactly.
The problem is some people are ashamed of their own races/descendant and thus want to be recognised as caucasian or white or latin or whatever "better" in their own mind.
Be proud of heritage and nationality. Doesn't matter what skin colors we are. UK military no matter what thier affiliation scots welsh british irish where impressive to me. They where all 1. Same as US troops. No understanding the different languages wad a whole other matter . "You're not black, white, red, yellow, or brown. You are green solider, now drop and give me 20. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ?
If you were born in England you're English and also British! Beyond that you're free to self identify.
I'm white and can never be English , the best I can hope for is Naturalized British Citizen.
If it helps I was told to fuck off and go back to my country a week ago, so it seems even the biggots are equal opportunities now...."I've even been told that by scots cos i'm not actually scottish nor am i entirely british cos I'm dual natonality & 2nd gen...Im white though and got the local accent so i often skate under the radar. | |||
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"Oh Yeah lol I’m just quoting what someone messaged me saying lol That's pretty disgusting, OP. So sorry that happened. As others have said, we're not all that narrow minded x" I get some daft messages from idiots giving me crap because I am Pakistani but I just laugh at them lol x | |||
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"It’s not a problem at all. I just wondered like why someone can just consinder me non English just cause of my colour of skin lol "It is appaling that you received this type of dreadful shortsighted comments. | |||
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"The English are an ethnic group native to England, so yes indigenous English people are white. That doesn’t mean you aren’t British though. "https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals | |||
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"So what if you’re not English? Exactly.
The problem is some people are ashamed of their own races/descendant and thus want to be recognised as caucasian or white or latin or whatever "better" in their own mind.
Be proud of heritage and nationality. Doesn't matter what skin colors we are. UK military no matter what thier affiliation scots welsh british irish where impressive to me. They where all 1. Same as US troops. No understanding the different languages wad a whole other matter .
You're not black, white, red, yellow, or brown. You are green solider, now drop and give me 20."Exactly I wish people can understand that. When you go through basic training there is no color they strip you down to respect everyone we all green. | |||
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"Honestly. It's pretty clear people have good intentions but clearly don't understand the differences between race, ethnicity and nationality. " I have to admit that I might be one of them. I think I'm sure of nationality (based on the passport) but I have to google the difference between race and ethnicity. Thanks for bringing this up. However, when I am meeting someone (fabs/ out of fabs), I am more interested of their race/ethnicity rather than nationality because the culture and way of doing things might be different and make them so much more interesting. | |||
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"I’m an earthling. Earthlings come in a multitude of forms and we all related. Hello cousins x" I evolved from bacteria that crashed into Earth on an asteroid. | |||
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"It’s not a problem at all. I just wondered like why someone can just consinder me non English just cause of my colour of skin lol "Some people are prejudiced. If you were born and raised in England I'd consider you English. | |||
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"Honestly. It's pretty clear people have good intentions but clearly don't understand the differences between race, ethnicity and nationality. I have to admit that I might be one of them. I think I'm sure of nationality (based on the passport) but I have to google the difference between race and ethnicity. Thanks for bringing this up. However, when I am meeting someone (fabs/ out of fabs), I am more interested of their race/ethnicity rather than nationality because the culture and way of doing things might be different and make them so much more interesting." That's the point it's learning and understanding how diverse we actually are. I don't care what race religion nationality you are as long as you have my back and you have the individual fortitude I don't care what you are. | |||
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"If you were born in England, you're English. And British if ditto. I'm white and neither British nor English (no matter what people tell me)" But we all have blue passports now | |||
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"If you were born in England, you're English. And British if ditto. I'm white and neither British nor English (no matter what people tell me) But we all have blue passports now "I've had a blue passport since I had my first passport  | |||
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"If you were born in England, you're English. And British if ditto. I'm white and neither British nor English (no matter what people tell me) But we all have blue passports now
I've had a blue passport since I had my first passport "Mine changed colour | |||
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"The English are an ethnic group native to England, so yes indigenous English people are white. That doesn’t mean you aren’t British though. "You do realise what you have said is total rubbish don’t you! | |||
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"The English are an ethnic group native to England, so yes indigenous English people are white. That doesn’t mean you aren’t British though.
You do realise what you have said is total rubbish don’t you!"It's a bit like saying I'm not Australian because I'm not black (indigenous). | |||
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"The English are an ethnic group native to England, so yes indigenous English people are white. That doesn’t mean you aren’t British though.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals"https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/ | |||
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"The English are an ethnic group native to England, so yes indigenous English people are white. That doesn’t mean you aren’t British though.
You do realise what you have said is total rubbish don’t you!"Well no, it’s not. That’s like saying indigenous people of Africa aren’t black, or that the indigenous people of Australia aren’t aboriginal. English is both an ethnicity and a nationality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people | |||
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"Oh Yeah lol I’m just quoting what someone messaged me saying lol Just ignore these people. We are not all the same.x OH MY GOD your pictures are stunning xx" And he's Fab straight, lovely  | |||
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"I and my daughters have been asked if we are Russian and Lithuanian, so being white isn't enough to be called English "absolute agree, there r more white people than english...  | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "I understand what you mean, however you were born in England and I assume lived here all your life so that makes you as English as you choose to be .
I was born in Canada to a British dad and a Canadian mum who's grandparents emigrated from Scotland. I'm a dual citizen of both countries and recognise myself as both, but it's like saying because I'm not First Nation native I can't be Canadian.
At the end of the day we as humans are all thought to have defended from the same place.
Be proud of and don't let anyone tell you otherwise | |||
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"Both my parents are Swedish. So all my family are swedish. I was born in England so I'm English and proud to call myself English. My family say I'm swedish even though my passport says I'm English. I've lived here all my life so I think English speak English and love England and Sweden as my roots. I chose and know what I am and I could of chose to class myself as as Swedish due to my DNA/Roots/Family but I feel English and I'm proud of that x " OMG I just made a mess in my pants looking at your pics WOW!! | |||
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"Wouldn't you be british ? It gets confusing since english is a language. "and a country | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "Well being a Scot myself, rejoice brother you have dodged a bullet there! If they dont want you tap the dust from your shoes and come North. Peace. | |||
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"In the UK national identity is not linked to race as far as I'm concerned. For me if you were born in Scotland, you can lay claim to being Scottish. If you have moved to Scotland, live here and engage with and support Scottish culture and society, and consider yourself Scottish, then that's good enough for me too. No problem in combining national/cultural/religious identities either. None of us are simply one thing. The same stands for England, although I've no idea why anyone would want to be considered English " | |||
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"Ah, fuck ‘em. Course you don’t have to be white to be English." | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "The fuck is wrong with people?? You’re English hun. You’re born here, you’re a citizen here therefore you belong to here. Yes England is dominated by white skinned people, that doesn’t mean there aren’t non-white English people. | |||
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"We're all cousins because Genghis Kahn was a shagger. If you want to consider yourself British then you need to share British values. British values are all about freedom and being able to choose your own values. So... hang on... now I'm confused
Ok, moving on. If you want to be able to think of yourself as specifically English then you have to be racist, know the first verse of the national anthem but no more, rave about all these amazing things we invented - not realising that they're Scottish, know whether to put jam or cream on your scone first depending on the county you're in, be really confused about how the hell the country is broken down into counties, and have pissed yourself on the porch because you couldn't get the door open quick enough coming back from the pub before realising that you're at the wrong house.
It's all in the citizenship test."If it's taking a citizen test then many would fail who call Themselves English. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "In short yes. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian "Bullshit. Why do you have to be Caucasian? | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian "And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded  | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian "Well shit. I fail the test. Despite me, my parents AND my Grandparents all being born here. Where should I go back to then and should I only send 1/8 of me?? | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ?
In short yes."Bollocks. There’s ‘white English’ and ‘non-white English’ on the census. Clown. English is about culture, not race. ‘Caucasian’ is white, not ‘English’. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
Bullshit. Why do you have to be Caucasian?"I think people are confusing ethnicity and nationality here. There are ethnically English people as much as there are ethnically Chinese people. That doesn’t mean one can’t be English by nationality! | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
Bullshit. Why do you have to be Caucasian?
I think people are confusing ethnicity and nationality here.
There are ethnically English people as much as there are ethnically Chinese people.
That doesn’t mean one can’t be English by nationality!"What she said ^ | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded "How is it racist? Do you not believe there was ever ethically English people? We all have a heritage and we all have a background, I don’t see it as racist to point that out. Would it be racist to say ethnic Africans are black? | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded
How is it racist?
Do you not believe there was ever ethically English people?
We all have a heritage and we all have a background, I don’t see it as racist to point that out.
Would it be racist to say ethnic Africans are black? "Think the issue is the above poster framed their response as you have to be white to be English. If they meant something else then they should’ve put something to explain their meaning | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded
How is it racist?
Do you not believe there was ever ethically English people?
We all have a heritage and we all have a background, I don’t see it as racist to point that out.
Would it be racist to say ethnic Africans are black? "You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans can only be black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet. Using your logic you shouldn’t be able to call yourself Caribbean, as people native to the Caribbean are actually the same ethnicity Mexicans. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded
How is it racist?
Do you not believe there was ever ethically English people?
We all have a heritage and we all have a background, I don’t see it as racist to point that out.
Would it be racist to say ethnic Africans are black?
You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans are black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet.
Using your logic you shouldn’t be able to call yourself Caribbean, as people native to the Caribbean are actually the same ethnicity Mexicans."That’s correct. If I didn’t have indigenous Caribbean heritage, I likely wouldn’t have chosen the username I have. Indigenous Caribbean’s are Arawak, my great great grandfather was, so thank you for agreeing. It’s not ignorant, it’s factual. If you look up indigenous Africans see what you get, by your logic the Chinese aren’t an ethnic group and absolutely anyone can be ethnically Chinese. Ethnicity and nationality are two different things. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded
How is it racist?
Do you not believe there was ever ethically English people?
We all have a heritage and we all have a background, I don’t see it as racist to point that out.
Would it be racist to say ethnic Africans are black?
Think the issue is the above poster framed their response as you have to be white to be English. If they meant something else then they should’ve put something to explain their meaning "I agree it’s not worded in the best way. Ethnically the English are/were white. But anyone can be English by nationality if they are born here and anyone can be British if they obtain citizenship. Additionally you won’t find many with 90%+ English DNA these days as most of us alive today have some form of mixed heritage! I don’t know why anyone would care in this day and age, however to deny that there was or is an ethnic group is silly. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded
How is it racist?
Do you not believe there was ever ethically English people?
We all have a heritage and we all have a background, I don’t see it as racist to point that out.
Would it be racist to say ethnic Africans are black?
You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans are black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet.
Using your logic you shouldn’t be able to call yourself Caribbean, as people native to the Caribbean are actually the same ethnicity Mexicans.
That’s correct.
If I didn’t have indigenous Caribbean heritage, I likely wouldn’t have chosen the username I have.
Indigenous Caribbean’s are Arawak, my great great grandfather was, so thank you for agreeing.
It’s not ignorant, it’s factual.
If you look up indigenous Africans see what you get, by your logic the Chinese aren’t an ethnic group and absolutely anyone can be ethnically Chinese.
Ethnicity and nationality are two different things. "Yes exactly, ethnicity and nationality are different things. Which is exactly this persons point. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
And... here's the racist bullshit everyone really hoped wouldn't appear. How depressingly small-minded
How is it racist?
Do you not believe there was ever ethically English people?
We all have a heritage and we all have a background, I don’t see it as racist to point that out.
Would it be racist to say ethnic Africans are black?
You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans are black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet.
Using your logic you shouldn’t be able to call yourself Caribbean, as people native to the Caribbean are actually the same ethnicity Mexicans.
That’s correct.
If I didn’t have indigenous Caribbean heritage, I likely wouldn’t have chosen the username I have.
Indigenous Caribbean’s are Arawak, my great great grandfather was, so thank you for agreeing.
It’s not ignorant, it’s factual.
If you look up indigenous Africans see what you get, by your logic the Chinese aren’t an ethnic group and absolutely anyone can be ethnically Chinese.
Ethnicity and nationality are two different things. "Yep. English is a nationality. The best you could say is Anglo-Saxon is the ethnicity. Honestly, this reductive way of interpreting the world is stupidity manifested. Even generalising China... there are massive differences in appearances and genetics between regions in China. Absolutely huge. But no, I guess they're all Chinese because... because what? They all look alike? Total bullshit | |||
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" Yes exactly, ethnicity and nationality are different things. Which is exactly this persons point." It’s also my point, if you scroll up I did say that. English is both an ethnicity and nationality and people often confuse the two. Just as Chinese is both an ethnicity and nationality too, the Chinese are an ethnic group, but if you gain citizenship in China, your nationality will be Chinese, it won’t be your ethnicity though. Your nationality can change, your ethnicity cannot. | |||
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" Yep. English is a nationality. The best you could say is Anglo-Saxon is the ethnicity. Honestly, this reductive way of interpreting the world is stupidity manifested. Even generalising China... there are massive differences in appearances and genetics between regions in China. Absolutely huge. But no, I guess they're all Chinese because... because what? They all look alike? Total bullshit "The Chinese don’t all look alike, why would you say that? To deny that they’re an ethnic group is silly though, just as it’s silly to deny that Indians are an ethnic group or Africans. That doesn’t mean there aren’t differences in culture & appearance etc. Nigerians and Ghanaians are both Africans, but they have their differences. | |||
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" Yes exactly, ethnicity and nationality are different things. Which is exactly this persons point. It’s also my point, if you scroll up I did say that. English is both an ethnicity and nationality and people often confuse the two. Just as Chinese is both an ethnicity and nationality too, the Chinese are an ethnic group, but if you gain citizenship in China, your nationality will be Chinese, it won’t be your ethnicity though. Your nationality can change, your ethnicity cannot. " If we're going to nitpick, there's not a "Chinese" ethnic group. China consists of many different ethnic groups, 56 in total. The Han (majority) plus groups like the Miao, the Bai, the Dong, the Mongols, the Uighur, the Yao. Etc. I teach Chinese students and I can tell you that ethnicity is very important. It's obvious from someone's surname what ethnic group they belong to and, as I'm sure you know, some groups are considered very much inferior to the Han. | |||
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" Yep. English is a nationality. The best you could say is Anglo-Saxon is the ethnicity. Honestly, this reductive way of interpreting the world is stupidity manifested. Even generalising China... there are massive differences in appearances and genetics between regions in China. Absolutely huge. But no, I guess they're all Chinese because... because what? They all look alike? Total bullshit
The Chinese don’t all look alike, why would you say that?
To deny that they’re an ethnic group is silly though, just as it’s silly to deny that Indians are an ethnic group or Africans. That doesn’t mean there aren’t differences in culture & appearance etc.
Nigerians and Ghanaians are both Africans, but they have their differences.
"You seem to have missed all the points. All Chinese people do not look alike. The idea that they do is bullshit. Thought that was clear but happy to clarify further. The other point is that nation and ethnicity are two entirely separate things. Totally different. China is not an ethnic group. It's a nation. Within that nation there are many, many different ethnic groups from the Zhuang to the Manchu to the Uyghur... conflating ethnicity with nation is just wrong. | |||
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" Yes exactly, ethnicity and nationality are different things. Which is exactly this persons point. It’s also my point, if you scroll up I did say that. English is both an ethnicity and nationality and people often confuse the two. Just as Chinese is both an ethnicity and nationality too, the Chinese are an ethnic group, but if you gain citizenship in China, your nationality will be Chinese, it won’t be your ethnicity though. Your nationality can change, your ethnicity cannot. If we're going to nitpick, there's not a "Chinese" ethnic group. China consists of many different ethnic groups, 56 in total. The Han (majority) plus groups like the Miao, the Bai, the Dong, the Mongols, the Uighur, the Yao. Etc. I teach Chinese students and I can tell you that ethnicity is very important. It's obvious from someone's surname what ethnic group they belong to and, as I'm sure you know, some groups are considered very much inferior to the Han. " Oh yes of course, I didn’t want to get into the Han, Hui or Tibetan people for example, I was trying to keep it as simple as possible! :D Yes, the inferiority issues are very similar to the caste system in India sadly, and also there’s issues like it in Africa where certain people from certain tribes are considered “below” others. Like the Chinese with Africans it can also be obvious what ethnic group they belong to by their last name! I find it so interesting personally. | |||
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"You seem to have missed all the points. All Chinese people do not look alike. The idea that they do is bullshit. Thought that was clear but happy to clarify further. The other point is that nation and ethnicity are two entirely separate things. Totally different. China is not an ethnic group. It's a nation. Within that nation there are many, many different ethnic groups from the Zhuang to the Manchu to the Uyghur... conflating ethnicity with nation is just wrong. " So where did the assumption that all Chinese people look alike come from? You’re right *China* as you say is a nation, but the *Chinese* are an ethnic group and there are 56 native Chinese ethnic groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people | |||
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" Yep. English is a nationality. The best you could say is Anglo-Saxon is the ethnicity. Honestly, this reductive way of interpreting the world is stupidity manifested. Even generalising China... there are massive differences in appearances and genetics between regions in China. Absolutely huge. But no, I guess they're all Chinese because... because what? They all look alike? Total bullshit
The Chinese don’t all look alike, why would you say that?
To deny that they’re an ethnic group is silly though, just as it’s silly to deny that Indians are an ethnic group or Africans. That doesn’t mean there aren’t differences in culture & appearance etc.
Nigerians and Ghanaians are both Africans, but they have their differences.
"You’re extremely ignorant. Chinese people vary greatly. In the north they look more similar to Russians. To the east they look slightly more Indian and Arabic features. In the east you could see similarities between Mongolians and Koreans. Etc etc Indians aren’t just one group either. Also You seem to lack the understanding to differentiate between continents, subcontinents, countries and ethnicities. Your rules also make no sense. Because your grandad may have possibly had some kind of genes you get to claim that, despite the majority of your genes being something different? Don’t you see how nonsensical and contradictory all of your different points are? | |||
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" Yep. English is a nationality. The best you could say is Anglo-Saxon is the ethnicity. Honestly, this reductive way of interpreting the world is stupidity manifested. Even generalising China... there are massive differences in appearances and genetics between regions in China. Absolutely huge. But no, I guess they're all Chinese because... because what? They all look alike? Total bullshit
The Chinese don’t all look alike, why would you say that?
To deny that they’re an ethnic group is silly though, just as it’s silly to deny that Indians are an ethnic group or Africans. That doesn’t mean there aren’t differences in culture & appearance etc.
Nigerians and Ghanaians are both Africans, but they have their differences.
You’re extremely ignorant. Chinese people vary greatly. In the north they look more similar to
Russians. To the east they look slightly more Indian and Arabic features. In the east you could see similarities between Mongolians and Koreans. Etc etc
Indians aren’t just one group either. Also
You seem to lack the understanding to differentiate between continents, subcontinents, countries and ethnicities.
Your rules also make no sense. Because your grandad may have possibly had some kind of genes you get to claim that, despite the majority of your genes being something different?
Don’t you see how nonsensical and contradictory all of your different points are?
"There’s absolutely nothing ignorant about what I said, at all As I said, I was being general, but I’m happy to be pedantic and be specific in private message if you’re interested, to save derailing this thread some more. The Chinese have 56 native ethnic groups, I’ve stated this already. I’m confused here as you claim I’m ignorant and in the next breath are telling me I can’t “claim” Caribbean because you say the majority of my genes may be different. To put it frank, I’m black, but my heritage is Caribbean, I have African heritage too naturally. What do you propose I call myself? | |||
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"You seem to have missed all the points. All Chinese people do not look alike. The idea that they do is bullshit. Thought that was clear but happy to clarify further. The other point is that nation and ethnicity are two entirely separate things. Totally different. China is not an ethnic group. It's a nation. Within that nation there are many, many different ethnic groups from the Zhuang to the Manchu to the Uyghur... conflating ethnicity with nation is just wrong. So where did the assumption that all Chinese people look alike come from? You’re right *China* as you say is a nation, but the *Chinese* are an ethnic group and there are 56 native Chinese ethnic groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people" OK, I'll explain even further... I asked why you'd consider all Chinese to be the same ethnicity, then I suggested a reason as a question, then I answered that question saying it was total bullshit. Hope that helps. So you're saying now that there's one ethnicity and yet that ethnicity is made up of 56 ethnicities? It's muddled thinking, and it's wrong. | |||
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" OK, I'll explain even further... I asked why you'd consider all Chinese to be the same ethnicity, then I suggested a reason as a question, then I answered that question saying it was total bullshit. Hope that helps. So you're saying now that there's one ethnicity and yet that ethnicity is made up of 56 ethnicities? It's muddled thinking, and it's wrong." You actually said this... “ Yep. English is a nationality. The best you could say is Anglo-Saxon is the ethnicity. Honestly, this reductive way of interpreting the world is stupidity manifested. Even generalising China... there are massive differences in appearances and genetics between regions in China. Absolutely huge. But no, I guess they're all Chinese because... because what? They all look alike? Total bullshit” In which I was confused as to why you said all Chinese look alike, when I don’t think anybody has said that. As I said, I was being general. There are 56 ethnic groups as stated in the link I provided. Just as I was being general when I said “African people” but there are several ethnic groups in Africa also. What Kinky Couple said makes sense in regards to westerners using the label “Chinese” lazily! It’s not muddled thinking, rather than write a million words and derail this thread with specifics I kept it simple. Maybe the specifics of ethnicity need a whole other thread where we can all chat without derailing this one! It’s a truly interesting subject. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian " | |||
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"Best breakdown of it I’ve read is that race, ethnicity and nationality are all separate entities. Your race is the bones of you - your genetic makeup and the markers that make you a distinct race whether it’s Caucasian, Negroid, whatever... Your ethnicity is the culture and heritage of the geographical area of where your ancestors came from broadly speaking. And nationality is the top coat of you like. The nation where you claim residency, pay your taxes and participate in day to day life. Good example for this - the Falashas. Racially, they’re Negroid. Ethnically, they’re Falasha Jewish. Nationally, they’re Israeli. Might be wrong but that’s how I rationalise the differences in my head. " I think this is perfectly simple & I’d agree. I might have to make a post about ethnic groups because it genuinely interests me & has for years! | |||
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"Best breakdown of it I’ve read is that race, ethnicity and nationality are all separate entities. Your race is the bones of you - your genetic makeup and the markers that make you a distinct race whether it’s Caucasian, Negroid, whatever... Your ethnicity is the culture and heritage of the geographical area of where your ancestors came from broadly speaking. And nationality is the top coat of you like. The nation where you claim residency, pay your taxes and participate in day to day life. Good example for this - the Falashas. Racially, they’re Negroid. Ethnically, they’re Falasha Jewish. Nationally, they’re Israeli. Might be wrong but that’s how I rationalise the differences in my head. " I do think that's a nice way of seeing things, but with the caveat that race itself is more of a social construct. It's a massively significant one, but it has little to no scientific basis when it comes to genetics. I remember seeing a geneticist talking at a debate on race. He mentioned a study which showed on average two people from Africa would have less genetically in common with each other than with someone from Europe or even Asia. Something to do with the fact that as Africa is where humanity comes from greater genetic variation developed there than in the populations which developed from the people who left to spread around the world. Fascinating really. | |||
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"Best breakdown of it I’ve read is that race, ethnicity and nationality are all separate entities. Your race is the bones of you - your genetic makeup and the markers that make you a distinct race whether it’s Caucasian, Negroid, whatever... Your ethnicity is the culture and heritage of the geographical area of where your ancestors came from broadly speaking. And nationality is the top coat of you like. The nation where you claim residency, pay your taxes and participate in day to day life. Good example for this - the Falashas. Racially, they’re Negroid. Ethnically, they’re Falasha Jewish. Nationally, they’re Israeli. Might be wrong but that’s how I rationalise the differences in my head. I do think that's a nice way of seeing things, but with the caveat that race itself is more of a social construct. It's a massively significant one, but it has little to no scientific basis when it comes to genetics. I remember seeing a geneticist talking at a debate on race. He mentioned a study which showed on average two people from Africa would have less genetically in common with each other than with someone from Europe or even Asia. Something to do with the fact that as Africa is where humanity comes from greater genetic variation developed there than in the populations which developed from the people who left to spread around the world. Fascinating really." Here's an article which references the study mentioned. A really interesting read: https://www.sapiens.org/biology/is-race-real/ | |||
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"Best breakdown of it I’ve read is that race, ethnicity and nationality are all separate entities. Your race is the bones of you - your genetic makeup and the markers that make you a distinct race whether it’s Caucasian, Negroid, whatever... Your ethnicity is the culture and heritage of the geographical area of where your ancestors came from broadly speaking. And nationality is the top coat of you like. The nation where you claim residency, pay your taxes and participate in day to day life. Good example for this - the Falashas. Racially, they’re Negroid. Ethnically, they’re Falasha Jewish. Nationally, they’re Israeli. Might be wrong but that’s how I rationalise the differences in my head. I do think that's a nice way of seeing things, but with the caveat that race itself is more of a social construct. It's a massively significant one, but it has little to no scientific basis when it comes to genetics. I remember seeing a geneticist talking at a debate on race. He mentioned a study which showed on average two people from Africa would have less genetically in common with each other than with someone from Europe or even Asia. Something to do with the fact that as Africa is where humanity comes from greater genetic variation developed there than in the populations which developed from the people who left to spread around the world. Fascinating really." That would make sense. We share so much DNA with chimps and the only similarities I see between the species is the love of a good old fashioned fight | |||
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"In the UK national identity is not linked to race as far as I'm concerned. For me if you were born in Scotland, you can lay claim to being Scottish. If you have moved to Scotland, live here and engage with and support Scottish culture and society, and consider yourself Scottish, then that's good enough for me too. No problem in combining national/cultural/religious identities either. None of us are simply one thing. The same stands for England, although I've no idea why anyone would want to be considered English "Presumably not British either? Tribal on one hand yet not the other? Funny ol thing aint it marrah! | |||
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"Best breakdown of it I’ve read is that race, ethnicity and nationality are all separate entities. Your race is the bones of you - your genetic makeup and the markers that make you a distinct race whether it’s Caucasian, Negroid, whatever... Your ethnicity is the culture and heritage of the geographical area of where your ancestors came from broadly speaking. And nationality is the top coat of you like. The nation where you claim residency, pay your taxes and participate in day to day life. Good example for this - the Falashas. Racially, they’re Negroid. Ethnically, they’re Falasha Jewish. Nationally, they’re Israeli. Might be wrong but that’s how I rationalise the differences in my head. I do think that's a nice way of seeing things, but with the caveat that race itself is more of a social construct. It's a massively significant one, but it has little to no scientific basis when it comes to genetics. I remember seeing a geneticist talking at a debate on race. He mentioned a study which showed on average two people from Africa would have less genetically in common with each other than with someone from Europe or even Asia. Something to do with the fact that as Africa is where humanity comes from greater genetic variation developed there than in the populations which developed from the people who left to spread around the world. Fascinating really. That would make sense. We share so much DNA with chimps and the only similarities I see between the species is the love of a good old fashioned fight "Give me the bonobo life any day of the week! | |||
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"In the UK national identity is not linked to race as far as I'm concerned. For me if you were born in Scotland, you can lay claim to being Scottish. If you have moved to Scotland, live here and engage with and support Scottish culture and society, and consider yourself Scottish, then that's good enough for me too. No problem in combining national/cultural/religious identities either. None of us are simply one thing. The same stands for England, although I've no idea why anyone would want to be considered English
Presumably not British either? Tribal on one hand yet not the other? Funny ol thing aint it marrah!"As I say... no problem combining the two and ordering them anyway you like. My feeling of Britishness has probably been on the wane over the last few years but I daresay it'll pick up for team GB at the next Olympics... | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? If you were born in England,your English,simple as that."Ot quiet right. Our daughter born here 11 years ago,she only speak English,never been in any other country more than 4 days and according of government she is not even British Citizen,if she want we need pay £1000 only for her | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "If you are born in England then you are English. Skin colour makes no difference. Welcome to the race that gets blamed for everything... lol | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? If you were born in England,your English,simple as that.
Ot quiet right.
Our daughter born here 11 years ago,she only speak English,never been in any other country more than 4 days and according of government she is not even British Citizen,if she want we need pay £1000 only for her"Do you have British Citizenship? Whichever country a baby is born in one of the parents has to be a citizen of that country for the baby to be one too? I couldn't move to America, have a baby there and get it an American passport. | |||
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"Ethnicity vs nationality Being mixed raced has taught me that ethnicity is a load of bollocks." I am mixed race too but what do you mean by it’s bollocks? I would say ethnicity, nationality and even culture can all either mix or be very separate. Ethnically my parents and their parents come from english and south asian countries. So I am mixed raced. I would say I am British where I was born and live. Culturally (which is probably the same for most people) i am a mixture of the values and beliefs from my ethnic roots AND my nationality. In my head these words have definitions. Discussing the impact of lack of, regarding ethnicity, nationality etc is a different debate. What do you think? | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ?
If you are born in England then you are English. Skin colour makes no difference. Welcome to the race that gets blamed for everything... lol"Sirry but being born in England doesn't make anyone automatically English. My cousin was born in Eygypt of Scottish parents, it doesn't make her Egyptian! | |||
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"... If you are born in England then you are English. ..." Not necessarily. You merely become English born. Similarly you could be English but born in Scotland but not Scottish. The possible combinations are legion. I was born in England to British parents from the Channel Islands. I was taken to Jersey a few weeks later on the first boat after the end of the war. I grew up there and still live there some of the time. When the former British Colony where my father was born (because his father worked there) became independent, he had to apply to be naturalised British (which he always considered himself to be). Although I am an English resident, I never call myself English as I have Welsh, Irish, Scottish and Jewish ancestry as well as English. 'British' suits me just fine but primarily I consider myself a Jerseyman even though not born there. So, OP, maybe you could resolve your dilemma similarly to suit your circumstances. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "Response was likely given to you by someone who spends hours on a sunbed trying to have darker skin - go figure!
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"Ethnicity vs nationality Being mixed raced has taught me that ethnicity is a load of bollocks. I am mixed race too but what do you mean by it’s bollocks? I would say ethnicity, nationality and even culture can all either mix or be very separate. Ethnically my parents and their parents come from english and south asian countries. So I am mixed raced. I would say I am British where I was born and live. Culturally (which is probably the same for most people) i am a mixture of the values and beliefs from my ethnic roots AND my nationality. In my head these words have definitions. Discussing the impact of lack of, regarding ethnicity, nationality etc is a different debate. What do you think?" I guess I mean it’s all nonsense. It’s made up. Skin colour and background means nothing. I’m 50% white, 50% black - with a long complicated story of all the different places my family are from prior to the U.K. (although they’ve all been U.K. based for over 100 years now). Most people see me as neither of those things. I’ve faced racism from both sides (though obviously more from 100% white people). I might be naive but I don’t even notice or think about my appearance - it does my head in when people bring up all these different rules and definitions and start commenting on these things about me that don’t matter. What hurts most is the “what country are you from?”. Where are you from “originally” And “go back to your own country comments” - it’s those kind of things that made me realise there is no country I’m “originally”from, and no country I can go to where everyone looks or thinks like me. It doesn’t exist. And that’s when I realised it’s all bollocks. It’s cheesy but I really do just feel human. I’ve been all over the world and I don’t feel any different to anyone in any place I’ve been. I know not many people see things that way, but I genuinely don’t give a fuck about ethnicity and trying to define someone by appearance. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? If you were born in England,your English,simple as that.
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Do you have British Citizenship?
Whichever country a baby is born in one of the parents has to be a citizen of that country for the baby to be one too?
I couldn't move to America, have a baby there and get it an American passport.
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" ...I would say ethnicity, nationality and even culture can all either mix or be very separate. Ethnically my parents and their parents come from english and south asian countries. So I am mixed raced. I would say I am British where I was born and live. Culturally (which is probably the same for most people) i am a mixture of the values and beliefs from my ethnic roots AND my nationality. In my head these words have definitions. Discussing the impact of lack of, regarding ethnicity, nationality etc is a different debate. What do you think?" I think that is an extremely well worded reply. As you correctly state "these words have definitions". Unfortunately the definitions can get ignored or blurred. For instance, a huge number of white British people seem to think that 'ethnic' which is an adjective derived from the noun 'ethnicity', somehow means 'non-white'. Unfortunately, not everyone is entering the debate with the same fundamental understanding of the definitions. | |||
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" I guess I mean it’s all nonsense. It’s made up. Skin colour and background means nothing. I’m 50% white, 50% black - with a long complicated story of all the different places my family are from prior to the U.K. (although they’ve all been U.K. based for over 100 years now). Most people see me as neither of those things. I’ve faced racism from both sides (though obviously more from 100% white people). I might be naive but I don’t even notice or think about my appearance - it does my head in when people bring up all these different rules and definitions and start commenting on these things about me that don’t matter. What hurts most is the “what country are you from?”. Where are you from “originally” And “go back to your own country comments” - it’s those kind of things that made me realise there is no country I’m “originally”from, and no country I can go to where everyone looks or thinks like me. It doesn’t exist. And that’s when I realised it’s all bollocks. It’s cheesy but I really do just feel human. I’ve been all over the world and I don’t feel any different to anyone in any place I’ve been. I know not many people see things that way, but I genuinely don’t give a fuck about ethnicity and trying to define someone by appearance." It sounds like you’ve experienced some really tough and hurtful situations, I’m sorry you had to go through those. One thing I think your saying is that we shouldn’t discriminate based on ethnicity? If so, I agree with that. When you say it means nothing, I would sau ethnicity is real, perhaps maybe just less relevant now? I think because for thousands and thousands of years travel has been so much easier people have moved all over the world. So perhaps a long long time ago ethnicity held weight, for almost everyone in terms of their identity. Because ethnicity, nationality and culture would have been more exclusive to one another. They were almost the same thing. Now ethnicities hold weight but maybe for not as many people. Of course even now, for many people ethnicity is still a massive part of their identity. But you can move to a different nationality. People can access communities with totally different cultures. So the world is definitely a melting pot. I do get what you mean about travelling and not feeling any different to others but I think ethnicity and nationality are still specific things, they’re not made up. I’m sure there will even be biological evidence for that. After what you said I am wondering about how relevant, ethnicity and nationality, are now to people. That’s really interesting to think about. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "Ignore them OP you are you and if that bothers them it’s their problem. I’m tanned and only shown my eyes but I got racial abuse on here from small minded idiots as they think I’m Asian. Chin up | |||
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" I think that is an extremely well worded reply. As you correctly state "these words have definitions". Unfortunately the definitions can get ignored or blurred. For instance, a huge number of white British people seem to think that 'ethnic' which is an adjective derived from the noun 'ethnicity', somehow means 'non-white'. Unfortunately, not everyone is entering the debate with the same fundamental understanding of the definitions. " Yeah I think one issue with most debates is the fundamental rules or assumptions are not the same. Biology also shows clear differences between ethnicities even down to bone structure. I think as well people have moved away from focusing on ethnicity as their identity. I know people who can trace back generations and generations of family in Pakistan. That is a strong part of who they are. My dad didn’t even teach us his mother tongue so while I know I have ethnic roots in a different country I don’t see myself as being from there. Identity is a whole different debate though. It’s a complex one but my main point is that ethnicity is real, the world is just very mixed, nationality is clearly defined but you could follow a totally different culture. | |||
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"My family is English - the whole family tree as far back as we could get, that makes us English and obviously you must be Caucasian
Bullshit. Why do you have to be Caucasian?
I think people are confusing ethnicity and nationality here.
There are ethnically English people as much as there are ethnically Chinese people.
That doesn’t mean one can’t be English by nationality!"I see where your going with this and in a general sense yours is a fair point. But actually No. There is no such thing as Ethnically English. The Cornish attempted to prove they were a Race (cornish Kelts) and it failed in law. So would pure Scottish or pure welsh, the race in law is white. The ENGLISH are actually Angles (part Feench) and Saxons (german) Normans (fully French) vikings (Norsk) with a large dollop of Italian.(,core origins plenty others since about C15). Non of these are considered in law a separate ethnicity. Kelts are made up of several tribes from Central Europe to Ireland. Some date back as far as the Bronze age. Scots became the Dominant Keltic Tribe North of the boarder so got to choose the name of the country. English is a construct post the conquest of Wessex. So given such a mixed heritage as the English have denying anyone that status if they choose it is very rich in deed. Scots these days are happy to accept folks (even English) who choose to be Scots, if they are from another ethnicity so what? when we are shoulder to shoulder fighting off the invader your Every bit my Brother! | |||
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" I do get what you mean about travelling and not feeling any different to others but I think ethnicity and nationality are still specific things, they’re not made up. I’m sure there will even be biological evidence for that. After what you said I am wondering about how relevant, ethnicity and nationality, are now to people. That’s really interesting to think about. " Personally, my Nationality holds more weight than ethnicity. Nationality tends to tie to the culture and values you have, and it gives some indication to the type of things you may or may not be exposed to in your life. Ethnicity does not give any indication of that, but people act like it does and it instantly creates this weird confusion. I’m ethnically ambiguous - people think I’m everything. Spanish, Arab, South American, Indian, Moroccan, White, all sorts... and I get treated differently according to what people think. That’s enough to let me know that ethnicity isn't clear cut and is a dumb thing to base assumptions on. Maybe one day it’ll be different. Hopefully there will be a time when when people stop commenting that I must not be used to the cold maybe one day I can say I’m English without people having to start a huge debate about why I’m not. | |||
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"Both my parents are Swedish. So all my family are swedish. I was born in England so I'm English and proud to call myself English. My family say I'm swedish even though my passport says I'm English. I've lived here all my life so I think English speak English and love England and Sweden as my roots. I chose and know what I am and I could of chose to class myself as as Swedish due to my DNA/Roots/Family but I feel English and I'm proud of that x OMG I just made a mess in my pants looking at your pics WOW!!" Totally relevant comment x | |||
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"Personally, my Nationality holds more weight than ethnicity. Nationality tends to tie to the culture and values you have, and it gives some indication to the type of things you may or may not be exposed to in your life. Ethnicity does not give any indication of that, but people act like it does and it instantly creates this weird confusion. I’m ethnically ambiguous - people think I’m everything. Spanish, Arab, South American, Indian, Moroccan, White, all sorts... and I get treated differently according to what people think. That’s enough to let me know that ethnicity isn't clear cut and is a dumb thing to base assumptions on. Maybe one day it’ll be different. Hopefully there will be a time when when people stop commenting that I must not be used to the cold maybe one day I can say I’m English without people having to start a huge debate about why I’m not."Nationality holds more weight for me too. I guess for some people ethnicity holds more weight though and is a better indicator of their culture and possible values. It is definitely a case by case basis and that’s why I think ethnicity can’t be considered as not real Ethnicity being clear cut, and ethnicity not being real, is two different things though. As you say people shouldn’t make assumptions based just on what they ASSUME is your ethnicity. To be honest I think many people don’t see it as relevant however having received a lot of discrimination myself, I do hope people can not change how they treat someone because of ethnicity. | |||
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"Both my parents are Swedish. So all my family are swedish. I was born in England so I'm English and proud to call myself English. My family say I'm swedish even though my passport says I'm English. I've lived here all my life so I think English speak English and love England and Sweden as my roots. I chose and know what I am and I could of chose to class myself as as Swedish due to my DNA/Roots/Family but I feel English and I'm proud of that x OMG I just made a mess in my pants looking at your pics WOW!! Totally relevant comment x "I understand why he can’t contain himself  | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "Swingers chat? | |||
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"Both my parents are Swedish. So all my family are swedish. I was born in England so I'm English and proud to call myself English. My family say I'm swedish even though my passport says I'm English. I've lived here all my life so I think English speak English and love England and Sweden as my roots. I chose and know what I am and I could of chose to class myself as as Swedish due to my DNA/Roots/Family but I feel English and I'm proud of that x OMG I just made a mess in my pants looking at your pics WOW!! Totally relevant comment x
I understand why he can’t contain himself "Is this post about nationality or making a mess in your pants x | |||
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" I understand why he can’t contain himself
Is this post about nationality or making a mess in your pants x "Well expanding on my previous discussion, I guess this is an example, that for me, ethnicity is not relevant when thinking about what stimuli causes a mess in my pants  | |||
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"It’s not a problem at all. I just wondered like why someone can just consinder me non English just cause of my colour of skin lol "Simple. Because they are TWAT's! | |||
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" ...You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans can only be black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet. " I find it very hard to believe that Africa is more ethnically diverse a continent than North America. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "If you was born in the UK you're English, Evan if your parent's weren't born here. It just means you're English with a different heritage, and skin colour does not change that. | |||
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" ...You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans can only be black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet. I find it very hard to believe that Africa is more ethnically diverse a continent than North America." Looks like you need to do some reading then | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? If you were born in England,your English,simple as that.
Ot quiet right.
Our daughter born here 11 years ago,she only speak English,never been in any other country more than 4 days and according of government she is not even British Citizen,if she want we need pay £1000 only for her
Do you have British Citizenship?
Whichever country a baby is born in one of the parents has to be a citizen of that country for the baby to be one too?
I couldn't move to America, have a baby there and get it an American passport.
"it may be a recent(ish) change, Canada done the same/similar with its citizenship entitlements (me & eldest are dual, my daughter ain't) so I can be stripped & deported but she can't. as for the englih/brits are white...erm not if you go by DNA which Prof Alice Roberts has done a lot on including taking samples from indigenous rift valley tribe (where homo sapiens aka EVERYONE of us originated from). Almost everyone in the planet has DNA mixed with the Neanderthal (some eastern asian/first nations are mixed with Denisovans too) due to homo sapiens moving OUT of Africa (being a continent not a country!) in waves over time and mixing with the natives. Race is far more related to characteristics such looks, skin colour facial features etc Ethnicity - WE'RE ALL HYBRID HUMANS none are PURE *blowsraspberry! Nationality - where you hold citizenship/live none are by choice
skin colour is partially genetic but was originally an evolutionary trait to protect skin from cancers, it is far more related originally to how much and how strong the sun exposure was in the area of the world and developed as a protective measure.
the other human species which developed in areas where there was less annual sunlight like a little pale ghosty scot with freckles and ginger hair who has very little need of protection against the sun if they stay in their own climate zone.
naturally those further away from the equator did not develop the gene, this came in by interspecies mixing and created the whole hosts of shade you see now, we know that you cannot predict skin colours from parental skin colours alone due to recessive genes (although rare) therefore any shade can occur.
we know the skin is adaptable to the sun to what level you see in particularly white people's tans...no matter how tanned they get they cannot go beyond a certain darkerness presumably originally to do with seasons and migrations.
this is also seen with Vit D levels, paler skin absorbs vit d better than some one with darker skin due to the processes in the skin of making vit d hence a tan. some one with darker skin their genetic body expected them to be in a warmer climate.
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" ...You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans can only be black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet. I find it very hard to believe that Africa is more ethnically diverse a continent than North America. (you answered) Looks like you need to do some reading then "I was hoping not to need to do any reading on the matter. I based my assumption on the premise that virtually every African ethnicity is present in the USA (part of North America). In addition, a huge number of other ethnicities from all around the world have striven to migrate to the USA, a number of whom would probably not be motivated to settle in Africa. In addition, there is easier access to North America (not specifically the USA) for people of various South American ethnicities. Add to that the vast number of indigenous North Americans of various ethnicities, again some of whom would have had no reason to migrate to Africa. All of the European, Asian and oriental ethnicities who have migrated to Africa are very likely to have also migrated through choice to North America. Same goes for Australasia. I would not have expected a significant quota of Aboriginal Australians or Maoris to have up-sticked in favour of making their fortune in Africa. Whilst I am fairly certain that my logic is robust, I am happy to be pointed in the direction of the reading which you would appear to rely on. So, please go ahead with your sources. Tell us all about the reading you have done on the subject! Or, are you talking about the number of indigenously ethnic tribes in Africa (versus other continents) as opposed to the number currently resident there, which is surely the only figure which matters? For the sake of clarity, I was only the author of the part of the above quote starting with 'I find it very hard ... Not the 'You're ignorant bit. | |||
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" ...You’re ignorant if you believe that Africans can only be black. It’s the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet. I find it very hard to believe that Africa is more ethnically diverse a continent than North America. (you answered) Looks like you need to do some reading then
I was hoping not to need to do any reading on the matter.
I based my assumption on the premise that virtually every African ethnicity is present in the USA (part of North America). In addition, a huge number of other ethnicities from all around the world have striven to migrate to the USA, a number of whom would probably not be motivated to settle in Africa.
In addition, there is easier access to North America (not specifically the USA) for people of various South American ethnicities.
Add to that the vast number of indigenous North Americans of various ethnicities, again some of whom would have had no reason to migrate to Africa.
All of the European, Asian and oriental ethnicities who have migrated to Africa are very likely to have also migrated through choice to North America. Same goes for Australasia. I would not have expected a significant quota of Aboriginal Australians or Maoris to have up-sticked in favour of making their fortune in Africa.
Whilst I am fairly certain that my logic is robust, I am happy to be pointed in the direction of the reading which you would appear to rely on.
So, please go ahead with your sources. Tell us all about the reading you have done on the subject!
Or, are you talking about the number of indigenously ethnic tribes in Africa (versus other continents) as opposed to the number currently resident there, which is surely the only figure which matters?
For the sake of clarity, I was only the author of the part of the above quote starting with 'I find it very hard ...
Not the 'You're ignorant bit.
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "No. How strange people are. They say the silliest things. | |||
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "After the Vikings pillaged their way through the country and "English" bloodlines mixing freely with scot, welsh and irish folk for a few hundred years, not one person can really be called English. | |||
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"Fuck those racist cunt. Try not to let those people get to you. You get to define who you are not someone else." Amen! | |||
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"Where are you from? London. No, where are you from originally? Er...London. No, where are your parents from? Jamaica. Oh, so you're Jamaican? No British, my parents came to the UK in the 50s on British passports as they were born in the kingdom of Jamaica: king being George V. If I had a pound for every time I've had that conversation. I don't see it as racist, just ignorance and I can't be entertaining ignorant people either." Whereas I get told I'm British or English even though I wasn't born in the UK, am not a citizen, my most recent ancestor was born in the UK before WW2, and I can trace my roots in Australia almost as far back as any white person can  | |||
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"Are we racist? Not bothered about colour but we will only Meet British and Irish folk. " Do you ask to see a passport?! How the heck will you know if someone is British/Irish? Or do you mean you only meet white people (who may be, say, Australian)? | |||
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"Are we racist? Not bothered about colour but we will only Meet British and Irish folk. Do you ask to see a passport?! How the heck will you know if someone is British/Irish? Or do you mean you only meet white people (who may be, say, Australian)?" This Aussie is just fine with being excluded | |||
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 Cockney Brummie or Scouser. From my family history investigations my lot have been in these parts since at least 1650 so I suppose I can call myself British, a Black Countryman actually but that only confuses the issue(aman from the Black Country). My confusion arises when you get certain ethnic groupings who having been here for 3-4-5 generations still consider themselves to be pricipally citizens of other countries and refuse to intergrate.
I feel just as confused with the Brits who move to Spain. Take everything Spain has to offer but still consider themselves to be British in every way.
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"Is being English just being white by race? Cause apparently im not English cause I wasn’t born white ? "If you were born in England as I was then you ARE English
If you went to Scotland for example they'll call you English. It's where you're born and from.
British is If you have the passport irrespective of where you are from.
We have a unique system due to royalty.
So as I was born in England for example I am both English and British. Being English doesn't mean being white. No body in England is even a pure bred... a quick DNA text will reveal that fallacy in no time.
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