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New straight fem needs advice and an alibi!!!
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"Ok. At least you have been up front about your situation (assuming your for real), and many, many people on this site arent even that honest. Just my 2p worth" that always makes me laugh? upfront with who? the people who dont matter but cant be upfront with the person she is ment to love lol says a lot about a person | |||
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"i dont agree nothing honest about a cheater as they dont tell the person who it matters to. and in MY eyes is WRONG but anyway the midgit is in my nickers i let her go in a bit lol" Kity the bi miget is me lol not Les Craig xx Sensual fire now takes big gulp lol x | |||
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"Fuck it, who am i to judge you, let's meet!" not with them fookin socks pmsfl  | |||
"Fuck it, who am i to judge you, let's meet! not with them fookin socks pmsfl " | |||
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"your not honest, you told your hubby u planning to do this? no thats not honest is it. why dont u leave him if u aint happy? and u cant bring love into the reason for staying with him, u dont plan on hurting someone you love do u?" sometimes in life things arent that simple, there are many different factors, who are we to jugde. nobody is perfect. | |||
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"situation, been there twice on diffrent sides. wont go into detail but i know and i think its wrong" at the end of the day people do what they feel is the right thing for then. no onecan tell them what to do or not to do. marriages are not all perfect trust me i been there. hope you find what your lookin for hun | |||
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"situation, been there twice on diffrent sides. wont go into detail but i know and i think its wrong at the end of the day people do what they feel is the right thing for then. no onecan tell them what to do or not to do. marriages are not all perfect trust me i been there. hope you find what your lookin for hun " aint u still dribbling that 35 times worth of cum out of ya crack hun lmao | |||
"thats not very nice naughty kitty " forgive me | |||
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"Kitty, You'll find most of us have been there at one time or another on one side or another, i know i have and it hurt like fuck. I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. But i also know people who have the same amount of pain because they are trapped with no way out and no prosepect of it getting better. It's sad to say in this day and age, but there are still a lot of women who have no economic power in the relationship and have no means of escape when it turns to shit. The person i love most in the world is in that situation and she cant get out. Thats why we're not together anymore, and thats why i'm here. Right and wrong is easy when you're young. It's black and white. Later in life, as with so many things, it becomes shades of grey..." couldnt have put it better. well said. | |||
"Kitty, You'll find most of us have been there at one time or another on one side or another, i know i have and it hurt like fuck. I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. But i also know people who have the same amount of pain because they are trapped with no way out and no prosepect of it getting better. It's sad to say in this day and age, but there are still a lot of women who have no economic power in the relationship and have no means of escape when it turns to shit. The person i love most in the world is in that situation and she cant get out. Thats why we're not together anymore, and thats why i'm here. Right and wrong is easy when you're young. It's black and white. Later in life, as with so many things, it becomes shades of grey... couldnt have put it better. well said." u could have tried | |||
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"yes life does get complicated as you get older.lol after my late wife had our daughter sex went of the menu, we slept in the same bed, but in 13 yrs after sex was about twice a year. but never thought of cheating. only in the last few years have i started to swing. i still dont like people who play away and wont play with them if i know thats what they are doing" now thats a real man! | |||
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"yes life does get complicated as you get older.lol after my late wife had our daughter sex went of the menu, we slept in the same bed, but in 13 yrs after sex was about twice a year. but never thought of cheating. only in the last few years have i started to swing. i still dont like people who play away and wont play with them if i know thats what they are doing now thats a real man!" thanks kitty £10 is in the post lol | |||
"yes life does get complicated as you get older.lol after my late wife had our daughter sex went of the menu, we slept in the same bed, but in 13 yrs after sex was about twice a year. but never thought of cheating. only in the last few years have i started to swing. i still dont like people who play away and wont play with them if i know thats what they are doing now thats a real man!" A true down to earth Northern Guy .. only about 15 miles from us, just goes to prove Kitty us Northerners are the salt of the earth  | |||
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"yes life does get complicated as you get older.lol after my late wife had our daughter sex went of the menu, we slept in the same bed, but in 13 yrs after sex was about twice a year. but never thought of cheating. only in the last few years have i started to swing. i still dont like people who play away and wont play with them if i know thats what they are doing" i commend you for that, wish we all were so strong life would be simpler | |||
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" i commend you for that, wish we all were so strong life would be simpler" life can be such a simple thing......us humans like to complicate matters though............go study philosophy and it will make you strong | |||
"change my mind, i DID like you but now u are just patronising me, yea i may be young BUT i still know that when u get wed no matter of wht goes on u have vow u make to promise to be faithfull. no one has to stay with anyone and if they are claimin to be in a abusive relainship if they are able to get out to shag then they are able to get away. i will judge anyone who cheats as CHEATING IS WRONG and is no excuse for it EVER just cos i am young dont mean i dont know right from wrong mate, if a relainship is wrong the awnser is not to cheat. simple as that. in my eyes there is and will never be an excuse for it. ages does not even come into it" Good point it nothing to do with age x | |||
"Kitty, You'll never know how hard we both tried. I believe in love babes, always have, always will, you'll never change me on that one. But life sometimes has a way of dealing you a hand you just can't play. It's not fair. It's not right. It shouldnt be like that. Bur sometimes, it just is. It's not necesarrily anyones fault, just a set of circumstances that conspire against you. Enjoy your youth kitt and use it both well and wisely. One day you'll be our age, and hopefully, like us, you'll still be saying "yeah, bring it on" and you won't get too down when guys you like won't meet anyone your age...you won't mind, becasue you'll remeber what it was like to be young, and you'll be happy ad contented being 40 something, knowing you've seen more of the ups and downs of life than they young ones, and knowing you're a better, more rounded person for it. And the good news is, you can still have sex with people you meet on the internet, yeeee-fucking--ha! Don't judge the girl who put the original post up unitl you've walked a mile in her shoes." A very good post, but I'm not sure that people are judging this person because she is cheating, well not us anyway, we don't agree with cheating in any form but our main gripe with this lady is that she is asking for someone to be an alibi ... 
Now by all means if she wants to cheat, it's her life and up to her what she does, but how dare she ask members of ths site to give her an alibi ..
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"Kitty, You'll never know how hard we both tried. I believe in love babes, always have, always will, you'll never change me on that one. But life sometimes has a way of dealing you a hand you just can't play. It's not fair. It's not right. It shouldnt be like that. Bur sometimes, it just is. It's not necesarrily anyones fault, just a set of circumstances that conspire against you. Enjoy your youth kitt and use it both well and wisely. One day you'll be our age, and hopefully, like us, you'll still be saying "yeah, bring it on" and you won't get too down when guys you like won't meet anyone your age...you won't mind, becasue you'll remeber what it was like to be young, and you'll be happy ad contented being 40 something, knowing you've seen more of the ups and downs of life than they young ones, and knowing you're a better, more rounded person for it. And the good news is, you can still have sex with people you meet on the internet, yeeee-fucking--ha! Don't judge the girl who put the original post up unitl you've walked a mile in her shoes." maybe its help she needs in how to get out a dead relationship rather than an alibi..........life is way too short to continue in an unhappy relationship no matter what....... | |||
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"I agree with Kitty, it took me 19 years to get away from an abusive d*unk of a husband who loved the bottle and his pub pals more than me and our kids, I lost my job when I left him and was on the dole with two small kids,a fick off big mortgage, and debt he had run up but I never once thought to cheat or ask others to aid and abet me....I walked away from a dead marriage with no money with a small family but my pride intact. sorry to have been so personal "Must have been very difficult to do but I admire you for it and hope things turned out for the best | |||
"I agree with Kitty, it took me 19 years to get away from an abusive d*unk of a husband who loved the bottle and his pub pals more than me and our kids, I lost my job when I left him and was on the dole with two small kids,a fick off big mortgage, and debt he had run up but I never once thought to cheat or ask others to aid and abet me....I walked away from a dead marriage with no money with a small family but my pride intact. sorry to have been so personal
Must have been very difficult to do but I admire you for it and hope things turned out for the best "Things got better things got worse, but I have always had my pride to pick me up and dust me down xxx won,t bore anyone with any more details, soz xxx | |||
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infact a guy did post something similar a while ago, he got slaughtered , never to be seen again | |||
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"personally, i never understand anyone who stays in a marriage if they aint happy, ive got 2 divorces behind me, i walked out on both , the 1st i left with the clothes i stood in, the 2nd i got everything , yr self respect is far more important than being unhappy . blimey i've wrote something sensible "I totally agree. I walked out of two marriages. One with a smashed jaw and the clothes I got carted off in the ambulance in, and I got the kids from the second. I survived. No woman is ever left homeless and if she has kids, she is never left with no money (at least Tony Blair did something right) Between Child Tax Credit, Working Tax Credit, Child Benefit, Housing Benefit and everything else, a woman with children may not have alot of money but she has enough to live, feed and clothe on. I HATE cheaters who infest swinging sites because they see it as an easy way of getting their leg over or a bit of affection. Swinging is NOT about cheating, it is about honesty, integrity, fun and laughter. It is not about looking over your shoulder wondering if some scorned wife/husband is about to burst into the room brandishing a bucketful of tears and a "I've been wronged" attitude. Cheaters are cheaters..... pure and simple. Swingers are swingers, with couples who do what they do with the full knowledge and trust of the other partner. Singles do it because they are either swingers or because they think it's an easy way to get a shag (yeah right!!) Cheaters, in what ever form, be they male or female, dwarf, lesbian, gay or purple with yellow spots....... are just that......... CHEATERS! If someone won't get out of a bad marriage, then thats their own fault and asking for an alibi is just short of pathetic. **and by the way..... I'm 42, been the subject of a very violent ex husband, a virilent cheater, raised 3 kids on my own, been to university as a mature student, found my own career and my own life........ I've got life experience. Does that make me better than Kitty? No.... her opinion is just as important and her life is probably harder than mine!** | |||
Nice one, but it's true what you say, cheating is big fat no no, but coming into a site and asking somebody to be your alibi .. ffs whats that all about ? | |||
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"personally, i never understand anyone who stays in a marriage if they aint happy, ive got 2 divorces behind me, i walked out on both , the 1st i left with the clothes i stood in, the 2nd i got everything , yr self respect is far more important than being unhappy . blimey i've wrote something sensible
I totally agree.
I walked out of two marriages. One with a smashed jaw and the clothes I got carted off in the ambulance in, and I got the kids from the second.
I survived. No woman is ever left homeless and if she has kids, she is never left with no money (at least Tony Blair did something right)
Between Child Tax Credit, Working Tax Credit, Child Benefit, Housing Benefit and everything else, a woman with children may not have alot of money but she has enough to live, feed and clothe on.
I HATE cheaters who infest swinging sites because they see it as an easy way of getting their leg over or a bit of affection. Swinging is NOT about cheating, it is about honesty, integrity, fun and laughter. It is not about looking over your shoulder wondering if some scorned wife/husband is about to burst into the room brandishing a bucketful of tears and a "I've been wronged" attitude.
Cheaters are cheaters..... pure and simple.
Swingers are swingers, with couples who do what they do with the full knowledge and trust of the other partner.
Singles do it because they are either swingers or because they think it's an easy way to get a shag (yeah right!!)
Cheaters, in what ever form, be they male or female, dwarf, lesbian, gay or purple with yellow spots....... are just that......... CHEATERS!
If someone won't get out of a bad marriage, then thats their own fault and asking for an alibi is just short of pathetic.
**and by the way..... I'm 42, been the subject of a very violent ex husband, a virilent cheater, raised 3 kids on my own, been to university as a mature student, found my own career and my own life........ I've got life experience. Does that make me better than Kitty? No.... her opinion is just as important and her life is probably harder than mine!**
"wow so agree with all you have said and just sooooooooo glad we (K and me) haven't had to experience any of it. We took 28 years to decide swinging was something we wanted to do, wouldn't swp it for the world but if either of us wanted to stop today the other one would no if's or but's. But that is probably for another thread, what I'm trying to say is everything is out in the open, we've changed our 'rules' as we've gone on but they have been joint decisions and therefore never any need to have secrets. Its actually improved our relationship in our 'real' life too Ok I've gone on far to much sorry.  | |||
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"as a man who hates cheaters i really hope the reason he has only had sex with you twice in a year is cause he's getting elsewhere sorry to be rude but you deserve it " i gotta say that is harsh !!!!! everyone has there own issues and reasons for what they do and life is about being happy and is far to short to be anything else its unfair to judge someone like that i bet eveyone who has posted has some skelletons thay are hiding !!!!!!!! | |||
"as a man who hates cheaters i really hope the reason he has only had sex with you twice in a year is cause he's getting elsewhere sorry to be rude but you deserve it i gotta say that is harsh !!!!! everyone has there own issues and reasons for what they do and life is about being happy and is far to short to be anything else its unfair to judge someone like that i bet eveyone who has posted has some skelletons thay are hiding !!!!!!!! " harsh imagine your the husband life is to be happy does his life not count | |||
"as a man who hates cheaters i really hope the reason he has only had sex with you twice in a year is cause he's getting elsewhere sorry to be rude but you deserve it i gotta say that is harsh !!!!! everyone has there own issues and reasons for what they do and life is about being happy and is far to short to be anything else its unfair to judge someone like that i bet eveyone who has posted has some skelletons thay are hiding !!!!!!!! harsh imagine your the husband life is to be happy does his life not count " yes it does but if he has been cheating dont you think that was wrong to begin with ????? kind of a contradiction i think , i just think sometimes things happen that you find hard to control in the perfect way thats all x | |||
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"As to the age issue in this thread... ffs age makes a HUGE difference to a persons views!! We are all very different people from 5 years ago or 10 or 20..as life experience and what we learn as we grow older moulds who we are and colours our opinions. To suggest otherwise is foolish. When i was in my 20's I would never have considered swinging..now in my late 30's i think its the best thing since sliced bread. In my 20's i believed that marriage was for life and you stuck by all your vows....a life time later and i see that as lovely an ideal it was..the reality can be very different for all sorts of reasons. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and their own moral code....doesnt make yours any more right than someone elses though. Sensual hit the nail on the head with the 'walking in someone elses shoes' line. vol xx" ages makes a huge diffrence does it? how do u know i have not walked in the shoes what do u know about my life? people assume cos of my age i know shit, well ya wrong there love. in my 25 years i have delt with more then most in their 50's i was in a abusive relainship for 6 years . never once did i cheat on him! he did on me. i buried my daughter 5 years ago and right now i am a single mother to a disabled daughter and a baby who has just spent the last 9 weeks in special care. and i do all this ALONE with no help from family. i think my life experence from what i have delt with a gone through ables me to make comments and understand certian things. for you to sit there and think age is an issues your wrong. from m,y meer 25 years on this world i have learnt and delt with a lot then many people would know. i wont go into detail on everything i have been through but going through it all has made me older then my years. and it does not matter what age you re 18 or 80 a marrage vow is a marrage vow. | |||
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"as a man who hates cheaters i really hope the reason he has only had sex with you twice in a year is cause he's getting elsewhere sorry to be rude but you deserve it " Man thats complete bollox!!! Talk about a contradiction in terms, one second saying cheating is bad, next breath saying I hope he's cheating on you cos you deserve it? As a mere mortal, I dont think it is my place to judge others, life will pass its own sentence on all of us. For the record, my opinion (right or wrong), is that the OP is going about this the wrong way. | |||
"As to the age issue in this thread... ffs age makes a HUGE difference to a persons views!! We are all very different people from 5 years ago or 10 or 20..as life experience and what we learn as we grow older moulds who we are and colours our opinions. To suggest otherwise is foolish. When i was in my 20's I would never have considered swinging..now in my late 30's i think its the best thing since sliced bread. In my 20's i believed that marriage was for life and you stuck by all your vows....a life time later and i see that as lovely an ideal it was..the reality can be very different for all sorts of reasons. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and their own moral code....doesnt make yours any more right than someone elses though. Sensual hit the nail on the head with the 'walking in someone elses shoes' line. vol xx ages makes a huge diffrence does it? how do u know i have not walked in the shoes what do u know about my life? people assume cos of my age i know shit, well ya wrong there love. in my 25 years i have delt with more then most in their 50's i was in a abusive relainship for 6 years . never once did i cheat on him! he did on me. i buried my daughter 5 years ago and right now i am a single mother to a disabled daughter and a baby who has just spent the last 9 weeks in special care. and i do all this ALONE with no help from family. i think my life experence from what i have delt with a gone through ables me to make comments and understand certian things. for you to sit there and think age is an issues your wrong. from m,y meer 25 years on this world i have learnt and delt with a lot then many people would know. i wont go into detail on everything i have been through but going through it all has made me older then my years. and it does not matter what age you re 18 or 80 a marrage vow is a marrage vow. " Kitty is more of a woman than the OP will ever be..... And she has more balls than ALL of the "my husband/wife doesn't understand me" cheaters on this site. You rock girl....... I knew what shite you'd been through and you have always had my respect. And to the OP....... there's specific sites for 'married and cheating'...... go infest one of those and get your alibi and your kicks elsewhere. | |||
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"So sorry that people have misinterpreted me. I am in a marriage that is not working with someone despite my efforts, gives very little back. It has not been an easy decision for me to make coming down this route and really wish I hadn't posted now as didn't expect people to go for the jugular. Have suggested swinging to my husband, just isn't interested. Has slept with me twice in 12 months and god knows I've tried everything I can think of. My rabbit has almost worn out! I'm not a bad person generally, but need more than I'm getting and wanted someone who is maybe in the same boat as me to experience this with. realise people have strong views on this now and like I said, wish I hadn't posted but I think everyone is on here for diferent reasons and unlike many, I'm being honest about mine." Got to admit when I first read this post i was tempted to post an indignant rant. Then it crossed my mind that is was a wind up, maily because it's so incredulous that a seemingly intelligent person would expect an alibi to be provided. Even thinking it was a hoax I followed it cos it was interesting to read everyone's input. Only once did I come near to posting and that would have been a strogly voiced objection to what is clearly the patronisation of one poster by another,. I gave the more honest person kisses instead. Now a new twist.... I came back to the post.. it's still being read. I still considered it a hoax so looked at the profile .... and WAHOOOOOOO! it's been verified. So come on chuck. You did the dirty deed on Aug 1st. Now im not moralising. I'd like some insights into how you are handling it all What WAS your alibi?
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"Think I'll leave this one ..... Moves on quick lol.... (fancy asking though pmsl) (In here too).... I'm off... x" me too .... I am too scared .. ps, did anyone hear the one about 35 jizzes !!! joking...... bye xxx | |||
"Think I'll leave this one ..... Moves on quick lol.... (fancy asking though pmsl) (In here too).... I'm off... x" 'Mr Notts over here' Moves Mr Notts out of room before its to late!!! | |||
"As to the age issue in this thread... ffs age makes a HUGE difference to a persons views!! We are all very different people from 5 years ago or 10 or 20..as life experience and what we learn as we grow older moulds who we are and colours our opinions. To suggest otherwise is foolish. When i was in my 20's I would never have considered swinging..now in my late 30's i think its the best thing since sliced bread. In my 20's i believed that marriage was for life and you stuck by all your vows....a life time later and i see that as lovely an ideal it was..the reality can be very different for all sorts of reasons. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and their own moral code....doesnt make yours any more right than someone elses though. Sensual hit the nail on the head with the 'walking in someone elses shoes' line. vol xx ages makes a huge diffrence does it? how do u know i have not walked in the shoes what do u know about my life? people assume cos of my age i know shit, well ya wrong there love. in my 25 years i have delt with more then most in their 50's i was in a abusive relainship for 6 years . never once did i cheat on him! he did on me. i buried my daughter 5 years ago and right now i am a single mother to a disabled daughter and a baby who has just spent the last 9 weeks in special care. and i do all this ALONE with no help from family. i think my life experence from what i have delt with a gone through ables me to make comments and understand certian things. for you to sit there and think age is an issues your wrong. from m,y meer 25 years on this world i have learnt and delt with a lot then many people would know. i wont go into detail on everything i have been through but going through it all has made me older then my years. and it does not matter what age you re 18 or 80 a marrage vow is a marrage vow. " Fist of all..im not your love..and my post was not intended to harbour any sarcasm nor derogatory undertones....now that being said... Your age is still your age..that is a fact and a fact that cannot be changed..like it or not... As a result of that you have not lived as long as someone who is 30 or 40 or 150..that being the case you do not have the life experience or level of maturity that most..(not all) have the older they get. I would also add that many people tend to mellow as they get older Now it is clear you have had a great deal of life experience SO FAR...but it is only with the accumulation of years that your outlooks and opinions change..or become reinforced. This is simply a fact of time and what we face in our lives. As each decade passes we change and develop as people. This is simply how life works and for good reason. I would also add that at no time did i say you know 'shit' I am simply stating a fact that time and the rolling on of years changes a person. Equally i can sit here and know ..not think...age is an issue..because it quite simply is! As to the walking of shoes..clearly you have not walked in the shoes of the original poster..or clearly you would not hold the opinion you do. Experiencing something changes a person..and with all you have experienced im sure previously held ideas and opinions on the issues you have had in your own life have either been changed or reinforced. You are fully entitled to your opinions and age does not stop you from having them..my point was simply that as each and every one of us looks back we see how we have changed and developed as a person and if you think that you wont change from the person you are now then you are very wrong. In fact to be blunt if anyone who is over 30 has not developed as a person or learned from mistake or the good things in life..then thats saddest of all. None of this means you need to agree with the original poster today or 20 years in the future.. I dont agree with all she says..but i would fight for her right to feel how she does, to express it and to live her life how she sees fit..and unless anyone of us can say we have always and always will do the right thing in a relationship..then perhaps the stoning should be put on hold vol xx | |||
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"vultures are swooping and being judgemental yet again oh yes all with halos eh???? well to the OP good luck to you girl xxxxx "yeah good luck to the OP......and even more good luck to any potential alibi.........it always amazes me how so many throw the judgemental remark around in these forums.........i take most peoples response to be their opinion in how they would react if "they put on the OP's shoes"....thats what makes these forums so interesting.....we are all different and thankfully so.......so please let the "judgemental vultures" continue to respond as they see fit with or without their halo's | |||
"vultures are swooping and being judgemental yet again oh yes all with halos eh???? well to the OP good luck to you girl xxxxx
yeah good luck to the OP......and even more good luck to any potential alibi.........it always amazes me how so many throw the judgemental remark around in these forums.........i take most peoples response to be their opinion in how they would react if "they put on the OP's shoes"....thats what makes these forums so interesting.....we are all different and thankfully so.......so please let the "judgemental vultures" continue to respond as they see fit with or without their halo's"You can only make an informed choice if you have been there, imagining yourself in the persons shoes doesnt work. You can also get your opinion across without hammering someone because of thier choices. | |||
"vultures are swooping and being judgemental yet again oh yes all with halos eh???? well to the OP good luck to you girl xxxxx
yeah good luck to the OP......and even more good luck to any potential alibi.........it always amazes me how so many throw the judgemental remark around in these forums.........i take most peoples response to be their opinion in how they would react if "they put on the OP's shoes"....thats what makes these forums so interesting.....we are all different and thankfully so.......so please let the "judgemental vultures" continue to respond as they see fit with or without their halo's
You can only make an informed choice if you have been there, imagining yourself in the persons shoes doesnt work.
You can also get your opinion across without hammering someone because of thier choices." | |||
"vultures are swooping and being judgemental yet again oh yes all with halos eh???? well to the OP good luck to you girl xxxxx
yeah good luck to the OP......and even more good luck to any potential alibi.........it always amazes me how so many throw the judgemental remark around in these forums.........i take most peoples response to be their opinion in how they would react if "they put on the OP's shoes"....thats what makes these forums so interesting.....we are all different and thankfully so.......so please let the "judgemental vultures" continue to respond as they see fit with or without their halo's
You can only make an informed choice if you have been there, imagining yourself in the persons shoes doesnt work.
You can also get your opinion across without hammering someone because of thier choices."imagining as you put it is called empathy......and i disagree...it does work.....what does most counsellors up and down the country do???? or have they been in every situation that a client is experiencing???? people have a right to choice.......and as the OP admits to having no friends or social circle plenty of people in here are maybe suggesting she look at solving her mariage problems before seeking a liar!! yeah i agree some posts could be more tactfully written.....but you wont find that in many public forums  | |||
"vultures are swooping and being judgemental yet again oh yes all with halos eh???? well to the OP good luck to you girl xxxxx
yeah good luck to the OP......and even more good luck to any potential alibi.........it always amazes me how so many throw the judgemental remark around in these forums.........i take most peoples response to be their opinion in how they would react if "they put on the OP's shoes"....thats what makes these forums so interesting.....we are all different and thankfully so.......so please let the "judgemental vultures" continue to respond as they see fit with or without their halo's
You can only make an informed choice if you have been there, imagining yourself in the persons shoes doesnt work.
You can also get your opinion across without hammering someone because of thier choices.
imagining as you put it is called empathy......and i disagree...it does work.....what does most counsellors up and down the country do???? or have they been in every situation that a client is experiencing???? people have a right to choice.......and as the OP admits to having no friends or social circle plenty of people in here are maybe suggesting she look at solving her mariage problems before seeking a liar!! yeah i agree some posts could be more tactfully written.....but you wont find that in many public forums "The we shall agree to disagree on the empathy issue. However I am all for people having an opinion, it is how they put the opinion across. | |||
"vultures are swooping and being judgemental yet again oh yes all with halos eh???? well to the OP good luck to you girl xxxxx
yeah good luck to the OP......and even more good luck to any potential alibi.........it always amazes me how so many throw the judgemental remark around in these forums.........i take most peoples response to be their opinion in how they would react if "they put on the OP's shoes"....thats what makes these forums so interesting.....we are all different and thankfully so.......so please let the "judgemental vultures" continue to respond as they see fit with or without their halo's
You can only make an informed choice if you have been there, imagining yourself in the persons shoes doesnt work.
You can also get your opinion across without hammering someone because of thier choices.
imagining as you put it is called empathy......and i disagree...it does work.....what does most counsellors up and down the country do???? or have they been in every situation that a client is experiencing???? people have a right to choice.......and as the OP admits to having no friends or social circle plenty of people in here are maybe suggesting she look at solving her mariage problems before seeking a liar!! yeah i agree some posts could be more tactfully written.....but you wont find that in many public forums
The we shall agree to disagree on the empathy issue.
However I am all for people having an opinion, it is how they put the opinion across."agreed on both counts......now there must be a first for a while on a forum thread....ha ha | |||
"vultures are swooping and being judgemental yet again oh yes all with halos eh???? well to the OP good luck to you girl xxxxx
yeah good luck to the OP......and even more good luck to any potential alibi.........it always amazes me how so many throw the judgemental remark around in these forums.........i take most peoples response to be their opinion in how they would react if "they put on the OP's shoes"....thats what makes these forums so interesting.....we are all different and thankfully so.......so please let the "judgemental vultures" continue to respond as they see fit with or without their halo's
You can only make an informed choice if you have been there, imagining yourself in the persons shoes doesnt work.
You can also get your opinion across without hammering someone because of thier choices.
imagining as you put it is called empathy......and i disagree...it does work.....what does most counsellors up and down the country do???? or have they been in every situation that a client is experiencing???? people have a right to choice.......and as the OP admits to having no friends or social circle plenty of people in here are maybe suggesting she look at solving her mariage problems before seeking a liar!! yeah i agree some posts could be more tactfully written.....but you wont find that in many public forums
The we shall agree to disagree on the empathy issue.
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"ooooh so as u get older you decide its ok to cheat on someone you marry, thanks for letting me know that Love, i shall get ready for that time in my life "Kitty, you have dealt with more than I have had to in my life and I am nearly double your age and I admire you for being able to cope, a lot of people would buckle....but I also know what some meant by age makes a difference to how you think. I know a couple of posts came over very patronising to you and I nearly offered a big shovel to those people, but your views ( not about this subject in particular )change and are totally different when you are older than what they were in your 20,s and I think that is what people meant. | |||
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"So sorry that people have misinterpreted me. I am in a marriage that is not working with someone despite my efforts, gives very little back. It has not been an easy decision for me to make coming down this route and really wish I hadn't posted now as didn't expect people to go for the jugular. Have suggested swinging to my husband, just isn't interested. Has slept with me twice in 12 months and god knows I've tried everything I can think of. My rabbit has almost worn out! I'm not a bad person generally, but need more than I'm getting and wanted someone who is maybe in the same boat as me to experience this with. realise people have strong views on this now and like I said, wish I hadn't posted but I think everyone is on here for diferent reasons and unlike many, I'm being honest about mine." I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). As you have identified that you could get your sexual itch scratched on this site, with none of the issues with a relationship. I'm sure some have written private messages to oyu to help. Good luck. | |||
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"...I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). " and there lies your ignorance!!!!!!! It's a swinging site. The difference is probably too subtle for some brains to understand. | |||
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"Infidelity is deception at it's most vile. Between wife and husband. Between Friends. Between heteros, bi's , gays. Between parent and child. Employer and Employee. Your God and you. In it's simplest form it's called LYING. To lie is to betray trust. You cannot love the one you deceive. These are not the morals of any individual they are our societies morals. Our mores and norms. Without TRUST there is nothing. Having a hard cock does not overide this. Fucking behind your partners back is NOT a definition of swinging. By assuming swinging legitimises deceit ... you lose any credibility. It is only swinging if your partner knows AND accepts.( The accepts being crucial ) " not got involved in this thread as it seems to be getting very nasty but have to agree that for us the definition of swinging is exactly how Granny puts it in the last line of her response "It is only swinging if your partner knows AND accepts." | |||
"Infidelity is deception at it's most vile. Between wife and husband. Between Friends. Between heteros, bi's , gays. Between parent and child. Employer and Employee. Your God and you. In it's simplest form it's called LYING. To lie is to betray trust. You cannot love the one you deceive. These are not the morals of any individual they are our societies morals. Our mores and norms. Without TRUST there is nothing. Having a hard cock does not overide this. Fucking behind your partners back is NOT a definition of swinging. By assuming swinging legitimises deceit ... you lose any credibility. It is only swinging if your partner knows AND accepts.( The accepts being crucial ) not got involved in this thread as it seems to be getting very nasty but have to agree that for us the definition of swinging is exactly how Granny puts it in the last line of her response "It is only swinging if your partner knows AND accepts."" Big thumbs up from over here also | |||
"...I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). and there lies your ignorance!!!!!!! It's a swinging site. The difference is probably too subtle for some brains to understand." Do you meet and fuck with people? Or care to share your enlightenment with me and others? | |||
"Being abusive to someone is not allowed on these forums. The post has been removed and sorry to anyone who quoted the post as that had to removed too." Ok, I will practise being more subtle when faced with overly moralising and the 'my view is this' and so should yours, from other posters... | |||
"...I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). and there lies your ignorance!!!!!!! It's a swinging site. The difference is probably too subtle for some brains to understand. Do you meet and fuck with people? Or care to share your enlightenment with me and others?" You have been on the site for 7 months, not a huge amount of time but still long enough to have grasped the varying views of what swinging is to different people. So if you don't 'get it' by now I doubt anything I could post will help you understand. You carry on with your belief that a swinging site is just a sex site where everyone just wants to meet and fuck and nothing more to it than that; nothing more complex like trust and relationships, values and respect, friendships and honesty. Actually if we get down to it - my beliefs include singles (genuinely single or shagging on the side) meeting for a leg-over has got naff-all to do with swinging... just because you shag it don't make it swinging! | |||
"...I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). and there lies your ignorance!!!!!!! It's a swinging site. The difference is probably too subtle for some brains to understand. Do you meet and fuck with people? Or care to share your enlightenment with me and others? You have been on the site for 7 months, not a huge amount of time but still long enough to have grasped the varying views of what swinging is to different people. So if you don't 'get it' by now I doubt anything I could post will help you understand. You carry on with your belief that a swinging site is just a sex site where everyone just wants to meet and fuck and nothing more to it than that; nothing more complex like trust and relationships, values and respect, friendships and honesty. Actually if we get down to it - my beliefs include singles (genuinely single or shagging on the side) meeting for a leg-over has got naff-all to do with swinging... just because you shag it don't make it swinging! " Polo, I so don't (unfortunately) meet any of your criteria for a meet but I certainly agree with your views xxxx | |||
" I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). As you have identified that you could get your sexual itch scratched on this site, with none of the issues with a relationship. I'm sure some have written private messages to oyu to help. Good luck. " I'd have posted earlier but was busy ringing all the people we have made friends with.. shared good times as well as great sex with.. Talk about other things and sex with... Might be a meet and fuck site to some... (Not sure who) but to us and i'd suspect many many others... Its far more.. Living proof! What about socials, events then.. all just to meet and fuck are they.. Twaddle pmsl.. Utter utter twaddle lol.. Say more about you than the rest... Sorry!  | |||
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"Oh dear. Singles = meeting for a leg over? Couples = ?? " There's no "oh dear" about it. If a man meets a woman (or vice versa) and they have sex it's a leg-over, a shag, a fuck, a screw, a good humping, a bit of how's ya father... see it has enough names already without having to try and call it something it is not. If 1-2-1 sex is swinging then every sexually active person on the planet is swinging. | |||
"We have friends who are single too lol... Maybe were wrong... but most singles love the sex yes... but they do like friendship too... " have to say we have a wide circle of swinging friends from scotland to spain mainly it has to be admitted they are couples but we are pleased to say there are single males and females amongst them any that we have met that are in it for the wham bam thank you mam have never made it past firdt base 
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"...I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). and there lies your ignorance!!!!!!! It's a swinging site. The difference is probably too subtle for some brains to understand. Do you meet and fuck with people? Or care to share your enlightenment with me and others? You have been on the site for 7 months, not a huge amount of time but still long enough to have grasped the varying views of what swinging is to different people. So if you don't 'get it' by now I doubt anything I could post will help you understand. You carry on with your belief that a swinging site is just a sex site where everyone just wants to meet and fuck and nothing more to it than that; nothing more complex like trust and relationships, values and respect, friendships and honesty. Actually if we get down to it - my beliefs include singles (genuinely single or shagging on the side) meeting for a leg-over has got naff-all to do with swinging... just because you shag it don't make it swinging! " Theres me thinking swinging was meting like minded people for sex, without complications. If you then become social friends as well, then that's a bonus, if that's what you want. But I will leave it at that. | |||
"I got that point the first time Polo and although I don't want to I have to ( by my own definitions ) agree. I just don't think it has to be thought of or described in such derogatory terms. Cos let's face it - Swingers may be Swingers but the sex is no more pure. " I have never said it is - hence why I feel no need to pretend when I have a fuck I am swinging. | |||
" I'm sure there are people on here that could help you. Ignore most people on her with their morals (it's a sex site, meetNfuck). As you have identified that you could get your sexual itch scratched on this site, with none of the issues with a relationship. I'm sure some have written private messages to oyu to help. Good luck. I'd have posted earlier but was busy ringing all the people we have made friends with.. shared good times as well as great sex with.. Talk about other things and sex with... Might be a meet and fuck site to some... (Not sure who) but to us and i'd suspect many many others... Its far more.. Living proof! What about socials, events then.. all just to meet and fuck are they.. Twaddle pmsl.. Utter utter twaddle lol.. Say more about you than the rest... Sorry! "Are you saying the only way you can make friends is via a swing site? | |||
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"Oh dear. Singles = meeting for a leg over? Couples = ?? There's no "oh dear" about it. If a man meets a woman (or vice versa) and they have sex it's a leg-over, a shag, a fuck, a screw, a good humping, a bit of how's ya father... see it has enough names already without having to try and call it something it is not. If 1-2-1 sex is swinging then every sexually active person on the planet is swinging." Not correct, I'm here to meet a few people for sex. I seem to get bored with the same person after a while. Guess it's a bit like roast beef every day, I want a change. I honestly though that is the whole point of swinging. Meet other people for fun and sex with no complications. | |||
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"Being abusive to someone is not allowed on these forums. The post has been removed and sorry to anyone who quoted the post as that had to removed too. Ok, I will practise being more subtle when faced with overly moralising and the 'my view is this' and so should yours, from other posters... " Sorry? If people want to say their morals are the only ones people should listen to how do you think I can stop that? Being judgemental isn't against any rules. I won't do it, but I can't stop anyone else doing it unless they are abusive as you were. As for what you think I should do, I only answer to Admin, so don't try throwing your weight around with me, it won't work. | |||
"[Removed by poster at 03/08/09 16:56:39] Was '*sigh*' I know, and you think we are all adults on this site. Some are supposed to be professionals "And some people lose any sense of argument when they start they resort to swearing at people instead of just airing their veiw. | |||
" Say more about you than the rest... Sorry!
Are you saying the only way you can make friends is via a swing site?"I'm sorry... did it come accross like that?? Far from... what we have found is we have made even more friends via swinging.. and good ones!.. If your here to meet and fuck so be it... were not!! | |||
"[And some people lose any sense of argument when they start they resort to swearing at people instead of just airing their veiw." I didn't before ya go fiddlin with ya buttons lol... Meanie ya... x | |||
"Being abusive to someone is not allowed on these forums. The post has been removed and sorry to anyone who quoted the post as that had to removed too. Ok, I will practise being more subtle when faced with overly moralising and the 'my view is this' and so should yours, from other posters... Sorry? If people want to say their morals are the only ones people should listen to how do you think I can stop that? " Delete the post, I know you know how to. " Being judgemental isn't against any rules. I won't do it, but I can't stop anyone else doing it unless they are abusive as you were. " Nothing wrong being judgmental, but telling someone this is wrong and that is wrong and you must agree to my morals, maybe should be deleted. " As for what you think I should do, I only answer to Admin, so don't try throwing your weight around with me, it won't work." I'm certainly am not throwing my weight around, merely pointing out that some incidences and how mods can do a better job if the will was there. As have theres. I don't know what deal you have with admin re Mod, but I can only see what you do or don't do
I see a mod (all, in any moderated online forums) a bit like a chair in a meeting, helping the meeting along, keeping it on track, etc etc. | |||
"[And some people lose any sense of argument when they start they resort to swearing at people instead of just airing their veiw. I didn't before ya go fiddlin with ya buttons lol... Meanie ya... x "Wasn't you | |||
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"Moot point. If a hubby or wife are aware that their partner is having sex with another but they are not involved in any way. Single sex OR Swinging ? " If the partner is not involved in anyway - sex. | |||
"Being abusive to someone is not allowed on these forums. The post has been removed and sorry to anyone who quoted the post as that had to removed too. Ok, I will practise being more subtle when faced with overly moralising and the 'my view is this' and so should yours, from other posters... Sorry? If people want to say their morals are the only ones people should listen to how do you think I can stop that? Delete the post, I know you know how to. Being judgemental isn't against any rules. I won't do it, but I can't stop anyone else doing it unless they are abusive as you were. Nothing wrong being judgmental, but telling someone this is wrong and that is wrong and you must agree to my morals, maybe should be deleted. As for what you think I should do, I only answer to Admin, so don't try throwing your weight around with me, it won't work. I'm certainly am not throwing my weight around, merely pointing out that some incidences and how mods can do a better job if the will was there. As have theres. I don't know what deal you have with admin re Mod, but I can only see what you do or don't do
I see a mod (all, in any moderated online forums) a bit like a chair in a meeting, helping the meeting along, keeping it on track, etc etc."well we don't have to answer to you only the owners and to be honest you would find something to moan about us mods whatever we do
why don't you take your concerns to the owners im sure they will look into them for you
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"Thankyou .... and the first moot point?? Then this one please. As I am visiting a swingers club with a male friend - when we swap n share are we ( in your opinon ) swinging ? " I'd have no problem with someone calling that swinging. | |||
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"........ well we don't have to answer to you only the owners and to be honest you would find something to moan about us mods whatever we do
why don't you take your concerns to the owners im sure they will look into them for you
"I'm not asking you to be accountable to me, but maybe just maybe to the forum users in general. As I have mentions I see a mod as a chairperson. As to the suggestion that I would moan about anything you did, I seem to be moaning about the nothing
I have used the feed back forums, have raised a point or 2 in various forms as the arise. I wouldn't for one nano second expect the owners to drop everything and change things. What I would think happens is they look at issues, see what some suggestions are, and then make a few changes in the future if they choose | |||
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"Oh dear. Singles = meeting for a leg over? Couples = ?? There's no "oh dear" about it. If a man meets a woman (or vice versa) and they have sex it's a leg-over, a shag, a fuck, a screw, a good humping, a bit of how's ya father... see it has enough names already without having to try and call it something it is not. If 1-2-1 sex is swinging then every sexually active person on the planet is swinging. Not correct, I'm here to meet a few people for sex. I seem to get bored with the same person after a while. Guess it's a bit like roast beef every day, I want a change. I honestly though that is the whole point of swinging. Meet other people for fun and sex with no complications." What was it you were saying about telling people they are wrong
So lets apply your comment to couples - do you think couples are here because they are bored with fucking their partners?
Swinging and its original meaning is about couples - people with pre-existing relationships opening the sexual aspect of their relationship to other people.
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" As I say, mail Admin if you have a problem." I don't, that's the point. But as your keen to point out, your not going to delete someone just because they don't agree with someone. Anyway, I will let this thread run it's course, and only read the rest of the messages, as my issue has been raised and acknowledged | |||
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" As I say, mail Admin if you have a problem. I don't, that's the point. But as your keen to point out, your not going to delete someone just because they don't agree with someone. Anyway, I will let this thread run it's course, and only read the rest of the messages, as my issue has been raised and acknowledged "Actually I will just point out that I said I am not going to delete a post just because you don't agree with it. just to clarify of course. And happy reading. | |||
"could someone kidnap me and hold me in a hole in the ground for 28 days feeding me berries..... by the time I get released..... this will be over "Ill do it view | |||
"could someone kidnap me and hold me in a hole in the ground for 28 days feeding me berries..... by the time I get released..... this will be over
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" Not correct, I'm here to meet a few people for sex. I seem to get bored with the same person after a while. Guess it's a bit like roast beef every day, I want a change. I honestly though that is the whole point of swinging. Meet other people for fun and sex with no complications." ..and that's absolutely fine, if it's great for you and the people you meet. Personally I think it's impossible to place a definition on swinging other than to say it's about consensual liaisons with people who have the qualities you're looking for! We're all different have likes and dislikes, the one harmonising aspect of this lifestyle that I've found most appealing is that people aren't judged for what those preferences are..we can choose politely to accept or decline them, hopefully without any further questions being asked. As others have said, what the OP has decided to do is a matter for her, my consternation would also be directed at her attempt to involve others in her deception, but if there are people prepared to do that, then it's entirely a matter for them and the OP. | |||
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"Some people hold the sanctity of marriage dear to there heart and some do not . Its a life choice, the marriage of convenience has existed for hundreds of years with both partners straying outside of the marriage without the knowledge of the other (so many examples). Not ideal for sure but not crime of the century given everyone has a story to tell as to why. Sometimes its very necessary,for either of the individuals involved and many times can help the marriage survive a certain problem point. Many advocate that the marriage "Contract" is just that a contract something you can revisit as often as you like to reaffirm or tear up and something you think about only when there is a problem. Monogamy is not a natural state for humans,if it were the population of the planet and development of the human race would not be what it is now. So we all have different morals and feelings about marriage , people have said on here we all change and move on. Some couples in strong relationships and marriages go to clubs and meet people they know nothing about,single or partnered cheaters and then it appears ok ...as long as you dont think about it ..cus lets face it in a club how can you know the legitimate from the cheaters... If your feelings are that core and important for a contract enforced from the 17th century that of course is your right to do so and i respect it. However wouldnt it help if you didnt do clubs or perhaps insist on marriage certificates and wedding photos albums to prove legitimacy before any meet.? Just because you align your self behind the "Its always wrong camp" stating your allegiance to that position on such a forum as this, doesn't mean your exempt from responsibility of going and meeting the very people and situations your so against. In my opinion your simply, at best turning a blind eye and if your a clubber it seems to smack of hypocrisy. Pd love and peace x (not meant to disrespect anyone just to state a position ) " Thank you from a married woman nice to know someone has a modicum of understanding xx | |||
"Some people hold the sanctity of marriage dear to there heart and some do not . Its a life choice, the marriage of convenience has existed for hundreds of years with both partners straying outside of the marriage without the knowledge of the other (so many examples). Not ideal for sure but not crime of the century given everyone has a story to tell as to why. Sometimes its very necessary,for either of the individuals involved and many times can help the marriage survive a certain problem point. Many advocate that the marriage "Contract" is just that a contract something you can revisit as often as you like to reaffirm or tear up and something you think about only when there is a problem. Monogamy is not a natural state for humans,if it were the population of the planet and development of the human race would not be what it is now. So we all have different morals and feelings about marriage , people have said on here we all change and move on. Some couples in strong relationships and marriages go to clubs and meet people they know nothing about,single or partnered cheaters and then it appears ok ...as long as you dont think about it ..cus lets face it in a club how can you know the legitimate from the cheaters... If your feelings are that core and important for a contract enforced from the 17th century that of course is your right to do so and i respect it. However wouldnt it help if you didnt do clubs or perhaps insist on marriage certificates and wedding photos albums to prove legitimacy before any meet.? Just because you align your self behind the "Its always wrong camp" stating your allegiance to that position on such a forum as this, doesn't mean your exempt from responsibility of going and meeting the very people and situations your so against. In my opinion your simply, at best turning a blind eye and if your a clubber it seems to smack of hypocrisy. Pd love and peace x (not meant to disrespect anyone just to state a position ) Thank you from a married woman nice to know someone has a modicum of understanding xx" Like Pleasuredome I want to make it clear that I am not directing this post at any individual NOR am I disrespecting any other poster's view. I am simply adding my perspective or responses to some of Pleasuredomes points. I'll state my position from the start. Infidelity is LYING and NEVER excuseable. 1. You say marriage is a contract enforced from the 17th C. - I say we are not talking 'marriage' here but ALL relationships and commitments and they are all promises and vows made TODAY. Forget what you say in church or to the registrar. Unless at the outset of your commitment ( even if it's over the brush )you said ' We agree to fuck who we like and when we like.' Then you CANNOT simply start doing that behind your partners back when the going gets tough. If you both agree to be the only sexual partner in that relationship- then that stands until you BOTH come to an AGREEMENT to change your commitment to each other. 2. You say , ' We all have different morals' Do we ? really? I'd be interested if anyone here said it's okay to lie to you partner big style. That is all that infidelity is. Lying. I don't think anyone would argue against the point that when someone chooses to cheat - they quickly ( or slowly ) weigh up the possibility of being caught. They skillfully plan a course of action. They do their utmost to cover their tracks. There is a lot to lose - especially where children are concerned , so they have to be bloody clever at it. Even if it's a passionate impulsive one off there's a lot of hiding mentally and emotionally to do. 3. You add to the differing morals that 'we change and move on' I agree wholeheartedly but adulterers DONT move on. They add an extra bit for themselves and leave their partners in limbo and then push them years back emotionally when everything is found out. Yet still want themselves perceived as a victim and will make every excuse in the book to say it was somehow 'okay' for them. This comes through when you say everyone has a story to tell .. too right they do and some of them heartbreaking and understandable but it doesn't change anything. They cheated. They lied. 4. You say - monogomy is not a natural state. I agree 99.9%. Marriage is indeed a social construct born from , power , blood lineage and inheritance. This one brings the whole question of whether love actually exists into being for me. The whole marriage system needs revising and with a bit of luck , jealousy and selfishness eradicated. This is further compounded by increasing longevity. Some marriages these days are longer than a bloody lifetime in the Victorian Period. I'd certainly be dead by now. Not trying to find sex on a swingers site. BUGGER....IM GOING OUT GOTTA FINISH OFF SO LAST POINT. 5. You indicate that 'I' ( I know you dont mean me ) should take some responsibility for making sure that I am not having sex with a cheater. I do. I say. 'Are you married?' They say no. That's my job done. Of course if I KNEW they were lying I could act on it. It would be ludicrous to ask for some kind of confirmation. So I cannot agree with the point that you call others hypocrites for something that may or MAY NOT of happened due to a 'deception' by a cheater. There is an enormous amount of tautology in many arguments here. Pointing fingers at some parties yet trying to excuse the 'deliberate' and 'knowing' actions of the cheaters. That's a very key word in all of this debate. KNOWING. If I have played with a married person. I have never done it 'knowingly'. Cheaters premeditate their actions and take part in lying - 'Knowingly' I have not one ounce of sympathy. COS IM IN A RUSH... IM ON THE RAZZLE. 1. Would I help a friend to stray. NO 2. Would I be there when it goes tits up? YES 3. Would I judge and say I told you so? NO 4. Would I make excuses for the lies they told and the hurt they caused? NO 5 Do I just accept that all humans err? YES of COURSE. cept me . xxxxx BATH TIME ! xx | |||
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