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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yes or No?

It’s an Aye from me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I Googled what was happening then and found out that October 23rd is “Slap your co-worker day”

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I’ll put that in the diary

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

About time yes from me

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By *obertELeeMan over a year ago

Montrose

Yes for me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Naw

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What is happening?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolutely never

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"What is happening?

Reclaiming independence

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By *sm265Woman over a year ago

Shangri-la

Ah dinnae ken. Maybe aye or maybe naw.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ouple2017.xCouple over a year ago

glasgow

Naw from mrs ! Mr was a yes before but unsure what he think now though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

She has been told no over and over again it won’t happen now thinks she can just have one anyway even tho she knows it’s not legal and result means nothing ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What is happening?

Reclaiming independence "

Aww fuck that

Aye it would be class to go for it and make a success for ourselves.

But especially now with the way the world is with pandemics and wars going on. I wouldn't vote yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"She has been told no over and over again it won’t happen now thinks she can just have one anyway even tho she knows it’s not legal and result means nothing ??"

Sorry? Who is ‘She’?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What is happening?

Reclaiming independence

Aww fuck that

Aye it would be class to go for it and make a success for ourselves.

But especially now with the way the world is with pandemics and wars going on. I wouldn't vote yes "

Maybe it’s the perfect time to go it alone….

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I Googled what was happening then and found out that October 23rd is “Slap your co-worker day” "

Surely we need to discuss this!

Is there any guidance about how many coworkers we can slap and how hard can we slap them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What happened to the simple days when rabbie Bruce betrayed wi and Wallace shot lightning bolts oot his arse

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By *etItSwing1991Man over a year ago

Glasgow

100% Yes ….

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I Googled what was happening then and found out that October 23rd is “Slap your co-worker day”

Surely we need to discuss this!

Is there any guidance about how many coworkers we can slap and how hard can we slap them?"

There is actually guidance on perfecting your slapping technique.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"She has been told no over and over again it won’t happen now thinks she can just have one anyway even tho she knows it’s not legal and result means nothing ??

Sorry? Who is ‘She’? "

Wee krankie

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"She has been told no over and over again it won’t happen now thinks she can just have one anyway even tho she knows it’s not legal and result means nothing ??

Sorry? Who is ‘She’?

Wee krankie "

No sorry….you’ve lost me?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No.

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By *eneralKenobiMan over a year ago

North Angus

Aye! Get us tae fuck

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I Googled what was happening then and found out that October 23rd is “Slap your co-worker day”

Surely we need to discuss this!

Is there any guidance about how many coworkers we can slap and how hard can we slap them?

There is actually guidance on perfecting your slapping technique.

They really need to have a class you can go along to and get some practice in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

100pc no

For so many reasons wouldn't know where to start.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"100pc no

For so many reasons wouldn't know where to start."

Just pick one….

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By *oversfunCouple over a year ago

city centre

Yes from the 4 in our family

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By *oversfunCouple over a year ago

city centre

"She has been told no over and over again it won’t happen now thinks she can just have one anyway even tho she knows it’s not legal and result means nothing ??

Sorry? Who is ‘She’?

Wee krankie "

A bet your wee nursery pals think your dead funny

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By *tarburst babydollMan over a year ago

Dingwall

It's a yes from both of us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes or No?

It’s an Aye from me"

It’s an Aye from me but it won’t happen. Will be kicked again to 2024 then a whole heap of legal shit to follow that will go on forever and a day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s a yes from me too.

Judging by the calibre of politicians in Westminster and the corruption, we can’t make a worse job of it.

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By *reyw01fMan over a year ago

Hamilton

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By *n_the_air_tonightMan over a year ago

Glasgow

It's a hard no from me... but there's no way there will be a referendum in 2023.

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By *reyw01fMan over a year ago

Hamilton

Pro Libertate.

Freeeeeedommmmmmmm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Naw from mrs ! Mr was a yes before but unsure what he think now though "
I'm guessing the Mrs wears the pants in your house?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes or No?

It’s an Aye from me"
100% yes and for the ones who shat themselves last time, grow a pair or go live in engerlund..

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

Its a great big YES from me, good to see most on the thread are able to think for themselves, sadly still too many brainwashed people in Scotland have no clue

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"Its a great big YES from me, good to see most on the thread are able to think for themselves, sadly still too many brainwashed people in Scotland have no clue

lol, cos they don't agree with you? If you want out give England the vote. It will be a landslide.

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

"She has been told no over and over again it won’t happen now thinks she can just have one anyway even tho she knows it’s not legal and result means nothing ??

Sorry? Who is ‘She’?

Wee krankie

No sorry….you’ve lost me?

I bet I can guess what football team HE supports, this is not a dig at all who support the team, as I know loads who are 100% for independence

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By *eneralKenobiMan over a year ago

North Angus

"Its a great big YES from me, good to see most on the thread are able to think for themselves, sadly still too many brainwashed people in Scotland have no clue

lol, cos they don't agree with you? If you want out give England the vote. It will be a landslide. "

Why would England have a say?

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By *unguy1969ABCMan over a year ago

Stirling

With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me. "

Whats your thoughts on bawbag taking us out of Europe during the height of a pandemic?? Ps it's because of what's going on in the countries of Britain, that Scotland and the others need to break away from the corruption of wastemonster and little England ??????????????????????????????????????????

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By *eamworkboyMan over a year ago

Irvine

Yessssssssssssssss

Boris and his pals can get tae f... had enough of the self serving f...s now, it can't go any worse than what's happening now

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"Its a great big YES from me, good to see most on the thread are able to think for themselves, sadly still too many brainwashed people in Scotland have no clue

lol, cos they don't agree with you? If you want out give England the vote. It will be a landslide.

Why would England have a say?

Ok?? So you can vote to be part of a union or not with England, but they can't vote to be part of a union with you? Sees a little one sided.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me. "

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment". And thats the very reason we need to be independent, get rid of Westminster once and for all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's a hard no from me... but there's no way there will be a referendum in 2023. "
Why? Because BoJo says so?

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Yeah cos all the other politicians are as honest as the day is long!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Yeah cos all the other politicians are as honest as the day is long!! "
true but the politicians that are dishonest will answer to the people of Scotland and we will get them kicked out, simple as that !

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By *olcanoJoeMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

Absolutely yes. It's time for Scotland to make it's own decisions. The political will up here is very different to the rest of the UK, as numerous votes have proven over the last 8/9 years.

We're a country with enormous potential and resources - both natural and human. We'll be a successful independent nation with an international outlook. Bring it on

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By *eneralKenobiMan over a year ago

North Angus

"Its a great big YES from me, good to see most on the thread are able to think for themselves, sadly still too many brainwashed people in Scotland have no clue

lol, cos they don't agree with you? If you want out give England the vote. It will be a landslide.

Why would England have a say?

Ok?? So you can vote to be part of a union or not with England, but they can't vote to be part of a union with you? Sees a little one sided. "

So the Uk can have Brexit without the other EU countries getting a vote?

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

"Its a great big YES from me, good to see most on the thread are able to think for themselves, sadly still too many brainwashed people in Scotland have no clue

lol, cos they don't agree with you? If you want out give England the vote. It will be a landslide.

Why would England have a say?

Ok?? So you can vote to be part of a union or not with England, but they can't vote to be part of a union with you? Sees a little one sided. "

Wow that's a whole new level of dumb!!

You referred to us (Scotland) giving England the vote, we as in Scotland don't give you the vote, in the same way, you as in England, don't give us the vote, we as in Scotland vote for independence, if you as in England want independence, then you as in England go vote for it off your own back, just like we as in Scotland will.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Was a strong yes last time and a even stronger yes this time for me.

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

Nah. Voted yes last time, the state the country is in at the moment I can't see it happening.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

MSM already spouting their usual crap about what currency would we have? That we can't just join European Union, will we pay back the £42 billion we where handed by Westminsted back?

Oh this is going to be good ! Bring it on..

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By *ookie an creamCouple over a year ago

Fife

Just shouting 'freedom' isnt enough for me(cream) i would much rather have facts more importantly what the economy will look like, actual numbers on budgets how everything will be funded and run not just well it might be this it might be that, and if wee nic was willing to step aside if it was a yes because i believe its as much about her wanting more power as it is wanting independence i would be more inclined to vote yes.

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By *olcanoJoeMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Just shouting 'freedom' isnt enough for me(cream) i would much rather have facts more importantly what the economy will look like, actual numbers on budgets how everything will be funded and run not just well it might be this it might be that, and if wee nic was willing to step aside if it was a yes because i believe its as much about her wanting more power as it is wanting independence i would be more inclined to vote yes."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There'll be plenty of information available - just need to look beyond the sensationalist headlines and balance up what you find. Also, it's important to remember that this isn't a vote for Sturgeon or the SNP. If Scotland achieved independence I think it would actually revitalise the other parties who would be able to offer genuine alternatives to the SNP, without being shackled by their Westminster leaders. "
If the Labour party had any sense they would get behind sturgeon and back independence, I think sturgeon will go as 1st minister and hold an election and if Labour backed her on independence they would get back into power again here but we know that Labour won't do that. They are clueless as a party.

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By *olcanoJoeMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

There'll be plenty of information available - just need to look beyond the sensationalist headlines and balance up what you find. Also, it's important to remember that this isn't a vote for Sturgeon or the SNP. If Scotland achieved independence I think it would actually revitalise the other parties who would be able to offer genuine alternatives to the SNP, without being shackled by their Westminster leaders. If the Labour party had any sense they would get behind sturgeon and back independence, I think sturgeon will go as 1st minister and hold an election and if Labour backed her on independence they would get back into power again here but we know that Labour won't do that. They are clueless as a party."

Labour's problem is that they had a London-led New Labour identity crisis which moved them to the centre (arguably slightly right of the centre) which made them electable in England, but alienated a lot of their Scottish vote who still have a left-leaning sensibility. SNP moved into the policy areas which were traditionally Labour, and in doing so became overwhelmingly popular while Labour continue to struggle to decide what to be, leaving Scottish Labour looking more and more impotent.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No last time and stronger no now. Sturgeon is hell bent on her own agenda. She handled covid pretty well but used it as leverage to attack the union. She has done nothing to reduce a huge drug problem and has brushed the cal mac affair under the carpet.All of us pay more tax and 41% rate starts early at 43k !! We are also hit with a unit charge on alcohol minimum pricing..!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There'll be plenty of information available - just need to look beyond the sensationalist headlines and balance up what you find. Also, it's important to remember that this isn't a vote for Sturgeon or the SNP. If Scotland achieved independence I think it would actually revitalise the other parties who would be able to offer genuine alternatives to the SNP, without being shackled by their Westminster leaders. If the Labour party had any sense they would get behind sturgeon and back independence, I think sturgeon will go as 1st minister and hold an election and if Labour backed her on independence they would get back into power again here but we know that Labour won't do that. They are clueless as a party.

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Yeah cos all the other politicians are as honest as the day is long!! true but the politicians that are dishonest will answer to the people of Scotland and we will get them kicked out, simple as that ! "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. "
You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

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By *otbeefandonionsCouple over a year ago

Bathgate

It's a firm no from us.

Brexit has shown people how messy this stuff can get and I think few will have the appetite for it.

NATO depends on the submarine base strategically. If the subs can't work from there then it's basically leaving the door open for Russia to go wherever and do whatever it wants when it gets there, which given what's happening in Ukraine right now, is madness.

Most of, if not all of the EU is in NATO. Scotland would be out of NATO, out of the EU and have no prospect of joining either unless they backed down on nuclear weapons.

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"No last time and stronger no now. Sturgeon is hell bent on her own agenda. She handled covid pretty well but used it as leverage to attack the union. She has done nothing to reduce a huge drug problem and has brushed the cal mac affair under the carpet.All of us pay more tax and 41% rate starts early at 43k !! We are also hit with a unit charge on alcohol minimum pricing..! "

Quite right and 18 months of independence campaigning will be a welcome distraction for her. It's up to the Scottish if they want independence but this isn't going to do it for you. It's just an expensive poll and a biased one at that, that no one down south will give any credence to.

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative? "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

That's your problem mate, you think you are somehow superior to English people. It seems to me you haven't had a lot of success creating the political system you want but think somehow you would do better than the English in achieving a decent government. You are exactly like Johnson promising it will be better when you are independent. Next you will be hiring a doubledecker bus guaranteeing all single males on fab lots of sexy meets if they vote for independence. "
I don't think we are superior to any country, as a matter of fact I actually feel sorry for them because unlike s Island you are stuck with 2 parties that are so bad its laughable, I can go on about how bad they are but deep down you probably know but as I said yous are stuck with them we ain't.

Your idea about the bus is a good one though so might use that actually

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By *eiaorganaWoman over a year ago

Dundee

These kind of posts should be in the politics section

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

That's your problem mate, you think you are somehow superior to English people. It seems to me you haven't had a lot of success creating the political system you want but think somehow you would do better than the English in achieving a decent government. You are exactly like Johnson promising it will be better when you are independent. Next you will be hiring a doubledecker bus guaranteeing all single males on fab lots of sexy meets if they vote for independence. I don't think we are superior to any country, as a matter of fact I actually feel sorry for them because unlike s Island you are stuck with 2 parties that are so bad its laughable, I can go on about how bad they are but deep down you probably know but as I said yous are stuck with them we ain't.

Your idea about the bus is a good one though so might use that actually

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By *oversfunCouple over a year ago

city centre

There'll be plenty of information available - just need to look beyond the sensationalist headlines and balance up what you find. Also, it's important to remember that this isn't a vote for Sturgeon or the SNP. If Scotland achieved independence I think it would actually revitalise the other parties who would be able to offer genuine alternatives to the SNP, without being shackled by their Westminster leaders. If the Labour party had any sense they would get behind sturgeon and back independence, I think sturgeon will go as 1st minister and hold an election and if Labour backed her on independence they would get back into power again here but we know that Labour won't do that. They are clueless as a party."

Labour are finished in scotland for standing with the tories for which they will never be forgiven ,the snp have taken all there heartlands and now they are an irrelevance in scottish politics

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

That's your problem mate, you think you are somehow superior to English people. It seems to me you haven't had a lot of success creating the political system you want but think somehow you would do better than the English in achieving a decent government. You are exactly like Johnson promising it will be better when you are independent. Next you will be hiring a doubledecker bus guaranteeing all single males on fab lots of sexy meets if they vote for independence. I don't think we are superior to any country, as a matter of fact I actually feel sorry for them because unlike s Island you are stuck with 2 parties that are so bad its laughable, I can go on about how bad they are but deep down you probably know but as I said yous are stuck with them we ain't.

Your idea about the bus is a good one though so might use that actually

Your ego is absolutely unreal. The English really don't need you feeling sorry for them (honest) and while I respect your opinion on two party politics I doubt you have a clue how I feel 'deep down'. And you're right you are not stuck with it. You have one party politics which is governed by a two party politics parliament in Westminster. And that's the way it's staying for a good few years yet, bus or no bus. "
what's my ego got to do with this? The reason we have one main party is because of what Labour and Conservative have done in Scotland for the best part of 50 years..absolutely nothing, they are only here to make up the numbers at Holywood, if sturgeon gets independence she will retire from politics as independence was her only goal. Much like Farage with Brexit, get your unionist glasses and see what's really going on in England and do something about it rather than voting in the tories or the Red tories.

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By *uriousCouple999Couple over a year ago

edinburgh

It’s a yes from us

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How does an OP cut short his own forum feed ha

So folks this is how I see it - as a genuine situation we find ourselves in - there is a deme tactic deficits north of the border which consistently votes for a left of centre (arguably) government - in any case it has failed to vote for a conservative government in decades.

We have a majority in parliament of independence supporting parties.

They have a right to ask the question given that they have been voted in on such a policy.

I believe the UK govt will deny this because they believe that the pendulum has swing in favour of self government- breaking of the vow, brexit and a change in demographics have all contributed to this. In essence WM is ‘feart’ to coin a phrase…rather than Scotland being to wee, too poor to make it on its own it is to big, too rich for the Uk to lose….

Anyway…who’s got naughty plans set up for weekend?? HMU if you want a naked debate

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

That's your problem mate, you think you are somehow superior to English people. It seems to me you haven't had a lot of success creating the political system you want but think somehow you would do better than the English in achieving a decent government. You are exactly like Johnson promising it will be better when you are independent. Next you will be hiring a doubledecker bus guaranteeing all single males on fab lots of sexy meets if they vote for independence. I don't think we are superior to any country, as a matter of fact I actually feel sorry for them because unlike s Island you are stuck with 2 parties that are so bad its laughable, I can go on about how bad they are but deep down you probably know but as I said yous are stuck with them we ain't.

Your idea about the bus is a good one though so might use that actually

Your ego is absolutely unreal. The English really don't need you feeling sorry for them (honest) and while I respect your opinion on two party politics I doubt you have a clue how I feel 'deep down'. And you're right you are not stuck with it. You have one party politics which is governed by a two party politics parliament in Westminster. And that's the way it's staying for a good few years yet, bus or no bus. what's my ego got to do with this? The reason we have one main party is because of what Labour and Conservative have done in Scotland for the best part of 50 years..absolutely nothing, they are only here to make up the numbers at Holywood, if sturgeon gets independence she will retire from politics as independence was her only goal. Much like Farage with Brexit, get your unionist glasses and see what's really going on in England and do something about it rather than voting in the tories or the Red tories."

Unionist glasses lol. You seem to know what my politics is and when Sturgeon is going to leave politics and you don't know what your ego has to do with it? You and Johnson are like peas in a pod. He made all the promises you are making and slagged of the EU 'that was responsible for all of Britain's problems'. He told everyone they need to be 'brave' and take their destinies in their own hands. Of course when he says it he's a buffoon but when you spout it it's all perfectly correct. Still don't know what your ego has to do with it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

That's your problem mate, you think you are somehow superior to English people. It seems to me you haven't had a lot of success creating the political system you want but think somehow you would do better than the English in achieving a decent government. You are exactly like Johnson promising it will be better when you are independent. Next you will be hiring a doubledecker bus guaranteeing all single males on fab lots of sexy meets if they vote for independence. I don't think we are superior to any country, as a matter of fact I actually feel sorry for them because unlike s Island you are stuck with 2 parties that are so bad its laughable, I can go on about how bad they are but deep down you probably know but as I said yous are stuck with them we ain't.

Your idea about the bus is a good one though so might use that actually

Your ego is absolutely unreal. The English really don't need you feeling sorry for them (honest) and while I respect your opinion on two party politics I doubt you have a clue how I feel 'deep down'. And you're right you are not stuck with it. You have one party politics which is governed by a two party politics parliament in Westminster. And that's the way it's staying for a good few years yet, bus or no bus. what's my ego got to do with this? The reason we have one main party is because of what Labour and Conservative have done in Scotland for the best part of 50 years..absolutely nothing, they are only here to make up the numbers at Holywood, if sturgeon gets independence she will retire from politics as independence was her only goal. Much like Farage with Brexit, get your unionist glasses and see what's really going on in England and do something about it rather than voting in the tories or the Red tories.

The reason why sturgeon will go after independence is that's her whole purpose if becoming a minister in Scotland, she even admitted in an interview that she would leave the SNP once independence was granted.

You're beginning to sound like the English MSM and that wee Scotland won't be able to cope without engerlund which we know is absolutel tosh but you carry on burying your head about how bad all parties are down in Westminster.

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By *uffolkJohnMan over a year ago

Newmarket

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

That's your problem mate, you think you are somehow superior to English people. It seems to me you haven't had a lot of success creating the political system you want but think somehow you would do better than the English in achieving a decent government. You are exactly like Johnson promising it will be better when you are independent. Next you will be hiring a doubledecker bus guaranteeing all single males on fab lots of sexy meets if they vote for independence. I don't think we are superior to any country, as a matter of fact I actually feel sorry for them because unlike s Island you are stuck with 2 parties that are so bad its laughable, I can go on about how bad they are but deep down you probably know but as I said yous are stuck with them we ain't.

Your idea about the bus is a good one though so might use that actually

Your ego is absolutely unreal. The English really don't need you feeling sorry for them (honest) and while I respect your opinion on two party politics I doubt you have a clue how I feel 'deep down'. And you're right you are not stuck with it. You have one party politics which is governed by a two party politics parliament in Westminster. And that's the way it's staying for a good few years yet, bus or no bus. what's my ego got to do with this? The reason we have one main party is because of what Labour and Conservative have done in Scotland for the best part of 50 years..absolutely nothing, they are only here to make up the numbers at Holywood, if sturgeon gets independence she will retire from politics as independence was her only goal. Much like Farage with Brexit, get your unionist glasses and see what's really going on in England and do something about it rather than voting in the tories or the Red tories.

You're on repeat now mate. Reading out of Johnsons brexit manual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With everything else going on in the country thats the last thing we need to be dealing with at the moment. Old Nicola is just trying to be a hero. Its all about her, not the uk or Scotland.

Its a no from me.

Come on, get real. As if you or anyone else is going to 'drain the swamp'. People don't get in power because they're thick. They own everything including you. Nationalism is a very well trodden political path to get power. In case you have a short memory, thats exactly what Johnson did. You honestly believe if bojo was scotlands 1st minister he would still be in that job ? Don't think so, he'd be kicked into touch the moment he lied about parties, only in England would you forget what a clown he really is and he's not for going away, quicker we leave and go it on our own the better.

Would like to know are you a Conservative?

That's your problem mate, you think you are somehow superior to English people. It seems to me you haven't had a lot of success creating the political system you want but think somehow you would do better than the English in achieving a decent government. You are exactly like Johnson promising it will be better when you are independent. Next you will be hiring a doubledecker bus guaranteeing all single males on fab lots of sexy meets if they vote for independence. I don't think we are superior to any country, as a matter of fact I actually feel sorry for them because unlike s Island you are stuck with 2 parties that are so bad its laughable, I can go on about how bad they are but deep down you probably know but as I said yous are stuck with them we ain't.

Your idea about the bus is a good one though so might use that actually

Your ego is absolutely unreal. The English really don't need you feeling sorry for them (honest) and while I respect your opinion on two party politics I doubt you have a clue how I feel 'deep down'. And you're right you are not stuck with it. You have one party politics which is governed by a two party politics parliament in Westminster. And that's the way it's staying for a good few years yet, bus or no bus. what's my ego got to do with this? The reason we have one main party is because of what Labour and Conservative have done in Scotland for the best part of 50 years..absolutely nothing, they are only here to make up the numbers at Holywood, if sturgeon gets independence she will retire from politics as independence was her only goal. Much like Farage with Brexit, get your unionist glasses and see what's really going on in England and do something about it rather than voting in the tories or the Red tories.

You're on repeat now mate. Reading out of Johnsons brexit manual. "
Let's see what happens then eh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Aye

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How does an OP cut short his own forum feed ha

We have a majority in parliament of independence supporting parties.

They have a right to ask the question given that they have been voted in on such a policy.

Anyway…who’s got naughty plans set up for weekend?? HMU if you want a naked debate

Well Nicola will be having her usual lesbian tryst in Paris..and hubby will be with his gay friends

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By *opinovMan over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

Basically, pretty much all the scare stories about independence which were put about by the No campaign last time - currency choice/value, losing EU membership, energy supplies, etc - have come true because of of the No result last time... so fuck it, everything has changed so this time it's a definite Yes!

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By *erfume-LoverMan over a year ago

Lothian area

Total No

Unfortunately some people think they are voting on a football game

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Voted Yes before.

However I have lost all respect for Nicola Sturgeon now and wouldn't trust the SNP to run a tuck shop.

Politically homeless so have no idea how I now feel about an independent Scotland if that mob were running the show.

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By *vbride1963TV/TS over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61965735

Above doesn’t consider independence .

As many folk will be for or against as last time .

Unless fundamental questions are answered before the vote . Tax , currency , EU membership , how folks pensions will be paid for and who or what would protect us from Russia or other tinpot dictators .

Folk don’t want speculation about things they want the truth about what will be In front of us . If there’s hurdles to be surmounted let us know . I’ll vote yes if I get the right answers .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How does an OP cut short his own forum feed ha

We have a majority in parliament of independence supporting parties.

They have a right to ask the question given that they have been voted in on such a policy.

Anyway…who’s got naughty plans set up for weekend?? HMU if you want a naked debate

Well Nicola will be having her usual lesbian tryst in Paris..and hubby will be with his gay friends

So what you are saying is that they are just like plenty of folk on fab? Nice one ??

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By *xybumWoman over a year ago

East Kilbride

It was yes last time and is still yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A big No

SNP are hopeless and this is the worst possible time to go alone, I voted yes last time but this lot are dangerous

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose...."

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes "

I genuinely don't see how making sure every baby born goes home with a supply of essentials is a bad thing? Or making sure disabled people aren't papped into inadequate accommodation?

I know people in England on the brink of ruin because they fork out for every prescription. They didn't choose to be born with a condition that needs to be managed medically every day of their life, but aye your right, fuck them. Get in the gutter and pay through the nose for your drugs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes

I genuinely don't see how making sure every baby born goes home with a supply of essentials is a bad thing? Or making sure disabled people aren't papped into inadequate accommodation?

Wow

SNP will solve everything

Currency?

EU?

NATO?

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By *ouple2017.xCouple over a year ago

glasgow

"Naw from mrs ! Mr was a yes before but unsure what he think now though I'm guessing the Mrs wears the pants in your house? "

No! I wasn’t with him when it happened the last time so I only know he was a yes previously. He probably will be a yes still but when I commented on this, I hadn’t asked him as he was at work which is why I said I was unsure his opinion. Plus due to his shifts, he doesn’t usually access this site and leave me to do it so I can organise anything when required etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes

I genuinely don't see how making sure every baby born goes home with a supply of essentials is a bad thing? Or making sure disabled people aren't papped into inadequate accommodation?

Wow

SNP will solve everything

Currency?

EU?

NATO?

How ever do all those hundreds of other countries survive without England managing their affairs for them?

Nobodys pretending their arent problems that need solved or questions to be answered, but to assume it cant or shouldn't be done seems backwards to me.

But at the end of the day who cares about joining NATO when there's OAP's and poor single mothers to shaft at home.

Im alright Jack etc etc etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes

I genuinely don't see how making sure every baby born goes home with a supply of essentials is a bad thing? Or making sure disabled people aren't papped into inadequate accommodation?

Wow

SNP will solve everything

Currency?

EU?

NATO?

How ever do all those hundreds of other countries survive without England managing their affairs for them?

Nobodys pretending their arent problems that need solved or questions to be answered, but to assume it cant or shouldn't be done seems backwards to me.

But at the end of the day who cares about joining NATO when there's OAP's and poor single mothers to shaft at home.

Im alright Jack etc etc etc.

You not looking at big world tho just local issues

Nato important but snp pissed them off as no nuclear base

EU the snp want to join but Spain won't let them

Currency do we go for the irn bru lira?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes

I genuinely don't see how making sure every baby born goes home with a supply of essentials is a bad thing? Or making sure disabled people aren't papped into inadequate accommodation?

Wow

SNP will solve everything

Currency?

EU?

NATO?

How ever do all those hundreds of other countries survive without England managing their affairs for them?

Nobodys pretending their arent problems that need solved or questions to be answered, but to assume it cant or shouldn't be done seems backwards to me.

But at the end of the day who cares about joining NATO when there's OAP's and poor single mothers to shaft at home.

Im alright Jack etc etc etc.

BTW this Is not an anti English thing its reality

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes

I genuinely don't see how making sure every baby born goes home with a supply of essentials is a bad thing? Or making sure disabled people aren't papped into inadequate accommodation?

Wow

SNP will solve everything

Currency?

EU?

NATO?

How ever do all those hundreds of other countries survive without England managing their affairs for them?

Nobodys pretending their arent problems that need solved or questions to be answered, but to assume it cant or shouldn't be done seems backwards to me.

But at the end of the day who cares about joining NATO when there's OAP's and poor single mothers to shaft at home.

Im alright Jack etc etc etc.

BTW this Is not an anti English thing its reality"

But at the end of the day who cares about joining NATO when there's OAP's and poor single mothers to shaft at home.

This says it all grow up ffs

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's dead easy to say No, Not now, not the right time, I dont like the SNP etc etc etc.

But essentially what you're saying is;

Id rather we paid for prescriptions.

Id rather we didn't have free further education, bus passes, baby boxes. Id really like it if people had a bedroom tax forced upon them.

Theres a million things that have been achieved *in spite* of the current Westminster administration that can be built upon and furthered, but you'd rather go without.

I wonder how many people would drop the "wee krankie" nonsense if they realised just how good they've got it, or could lose....

Every one positive you quote there is a negative

SNP are hopeless however much they try and buy your votes

I genuinely don't see how making sure every baby born goes home with a supply of essentials is a bad thing? Or making sure disabled people aren't papped into inadequate accommodation?

Wow

SNP will solve everything

Currency?

EU?

NATO?

How ever do all those hundreds of other countries survive without England managing their affairs for them?

Nobodys pretending their arent problems that need solved or questions to be answered, but to assume it cant or shouldn't be done seems backwards to me.

But at the end of the day who cares about joining NATO when there's OAP's and poor single mothers to shaft at home.

Im alright Jack etc etc etc.

You not looking at big world tho just local issues

Nato important but snp pissed them off as no nuclear base

EU the snp want to join but Spain won't let them

Currency do we go for the irn bru lira?

The spanish issue has largely been put to bed for years. Their issue was with unilateral declarations and wildcard referendums a là Catalonia, there has been numerous quotes from Spanish government in favour of Scottish EU membership following a legal and recognised referendum. As an aside to this, EU vetoes are entirely dependant on the government dejour of any member nation which can change on a dime, but the overwhelming mood at the moment is EU expansion is a good thing, not the "private members club" idea sold during brexit.

Nukes - personally I'd rather not live so close to world ending weapons as I currently do. There are plenty of places around the UK that trident could be relocated to in time, but its been strategically beneficial to keep the bombs next to the jocks as far as Westminster is concerned. Park them on the Thames and see how much support there is for them at that point.

Money is money. Despite what people say its important. Its probably the most contentious issue people use to undersell Scotland potential. The pound is historically weak at the moment after brexit. Would it massively effect your life tomorrow if the notes accepted in every shop or bank were euros? Probably not.

Would it matter if they were something else, maybe. Thats upto you, like anything else, but you have to ask yourself why?

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By *hamrock 1888Man over a year ago

on tour

It's not about the SNP. People need to realise this, the question is should Scotland be an independent country.

We need to break away from this toxic union. Then we can choose a party to lead us.

And to be fair a lot of us will be voting for our younger family members future, we have ploughed money into a rail system that most of us will never use, we are using more food banks.

It's not about which flag your football team fly's or what religious beliefs you have, it's about standing on our own two feet. That time is now. Is it worth the risk 100% look at the smaller countries that don't have the resources we have.

If England and the govt think Scotland is such a drain because they have to "subsidise" us...why they fighting so hard to keep us?

#alwaysyes

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By *i joanneCouple over a year ago

blackpool

Or he could just say he can't recall etc like Herr sturgeon.you are no better than a scottish version of the BNP with your pathetic,small minded, anti English bile.some of us have job's,property etc and will not gamble on a pack of lies from a bunch of incompetent scottish supremacists.In the last 15 years the SNP have caused more damage than thatcher ever could in scotland. Yes Boris is a clown and I'm no Tory, before you start your BS.

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Or he could just say he can't recall etc like Herr sturgeon.you are no better than a scottish version of the BNP with your pathetic,small minded, anti English bile.some of us have job's,property etc and will not gamble on a pack of lies from a bunch of incompetent scottish supremacists.In the last 15 years the SNP have caused more damage than thatcher ever could in scotland. Yes Boris is a clown and I'm no Tory, before you start your BS."

Its always "anti-english", never anti-welsh or anti-irish. It says a lot about "UK" mentality that thats the default go-to approach for anti-independence folk. There absolutely is anti-english sentiment among some people who are pro-indy, but its a small minority, just like there's anti-scottish attitudes in England.

Millions have compassion for those less fortunate, and want a better alternative for future generations, something self determination can help to provide.

Nobody but you gives one single solitary fuck about your property portfolio mate.

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By *i joanneCouple over a year ago

blackpool

Millions have compassion for those less fortunate, and want a better alternative for future generations, something self determination can help to provide.

Nobody but you gives one single solitary fuck about your property portfolio mate. "

I'm not your mate.

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By *hamrock 1888Man over a year ago

on tour

Comparing Nicola sturgeon to Thatcher shows your mentality, do you even remember what Thatcher did to the steel industry? The miner's?

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By *i joanneCouple over a year ago

blackpool

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By *i joanneCouple over a year ago

blackpool

Comparing Nicola sturgeon to Thatcher shows your mentality, do you even remember what Thatcher did to the steel industry? The miner's? "

Yep I do thanks .

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Millions have compassion for those less fortunate, and want a better alternative for future generations, something self determination can help to provide.

Nobody but you gives one single solitary fuck about your property portfolio mate.

I'm not your mate."

Mature.

Why are you so insecure in your political leaning that you think we couldn't be friends in any other capacity? Is your worldview so narrow that you only hang about with the rest of the landed gentry such as yourself?

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By *i joanneCouple over a year ago

blackpool

Millions have compassion for those less fortunate, and want a better alternative for future generations, something self determination can help to provide.

Nobody but you gives one single solitary fuck about your property portfolio mate.

I'm not your mate.

Mature.

Landed gentry?

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Millions have compassion for those less fortunate, and want a better alternative for future generations, something self determination can help to provide.

Nobody but you gives one single solitary fuck about your property portfolio mate.

I'm not your mate.

Mature.

Landed gentry?

If youre going to look for sympathy just because you own a house then you should be able to take a joke or two.

Its all meant in good faith. I dont hate you, I dont even dislike you. Im sure youre a perfectly decent person 99% of the time jusy like everyone else, but if you think owning property makes you better than anyone else in 2022 then ive got some harsh truths for you.

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By *alcon43Woman over a year ago

Paisley

It’s a no for me. Since when did 8 years become ‘once in a life time’?

We voted, Salmond resigned and left us with Sturgeon. If the vote is ‘No’ will she resign?

She’s willing to have a vote regardless of whether it is legal or not. Not exactly a good example to set.

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

She’s willing to have a vote regardless of whether it is legal or not. Not exactly a good example to set. "

Don't understand where you've picked this up from? They've petitioned for a second 30, and asked for legal advice on holding a vote otherwise. Seems like the opposite of "legal or not" to me?

Why are you not asking yourself why another country tells you what is or isn't legal for you to vote on?

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"It’s a no for me. Since when did 8 years become ‘once in a life time’? "

This is a tired one as well.

Youre an adult. You understand what hyperbole is. People use figures of speech every day and we dont take them literally. Why isn't anyone demanding Johnson be "dead in ditch" on the same grounds?

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By *alcon43Woman over a year ago

Paisley

"It’s a no for me. Since when did 8 years become ‘once in a life time’?

This is a tired one as well.

Youre an adult. You understand what hyperbole is. People use figures of speech every day and we dont take them literally. Why isn't anyone demanding Johnson be "dead in ditch" on the same grounds? "

If she thinks this is the right time for a referendum then I think she underestimates what the people actually want. She did go to Boris for money to extend furlough. So much for being financially independent.

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

" So much for being financially independent. "

Of course we're not, thats the whole point. Boris borrowed the money for furlough from elsewhere, but Scotland doesn't have the powers to do so on its own so we go cap in hand to Westminster and get suck with the bill for the entire UK.

Financial independence isn't about raising every single penny spent within your own boarders, there isnt a single country on earth that operates that way. Its about having sovereignty to have your independence and own borrowing power, something virtually every single other country in the world bar us enjoys.

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By *ighlandguy007Man over a year ago

inverness/Bournemouth

Originally posted in the politics forum but would be interesting to see what people on this post think.

** not wanting to start a name calling argument just an honest question **

Should Scotland be granted a referendum and secure independence I’m assuming that there will be the need for a hard boarder between Scotland and the rest of the uk.

And this being the case and that there is only just word of a freight ferry service returning to rosyth and that it’ll take around 17hrs to reach mainland Europe.

Is this going to cause a huge problem with the import and export of Scottish goods (all goods will with have a long sea journey or have to clear customs at point of entry. to enter the rest of uk and then clear the boarder at either Berwick or Carlisle.surely this will lead to huge delays and tail backs that will make the m20 operations look tame and the Northern Ireland agreement Childs play. And should Scotland be granted eu membership then this will make maters a whole lot worse as Scotland will be an eu member surrounded by a non eu country. the country is relying on exports for the basis of the future of the countries economy.

This isn’t intended as a snp bashing post just genuine interest in how people think this problem will be resolved. Seeing how the eu is treating the uk. Over the Northern Ireland situation. I can’t see the rest of the uk bending over backwards to help an independent Scotland

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s a no for me. Since when did 8 years become ‘once in a life time’?

We voted, Salmond resigned and left us with Sturgeon. If the vote is ‘No’ will she resign?

She’s willing to have a vote regardless of whether it is legal or not. Not exactly a good example to set. "

In the good Friday agreement westminster limits Northern Ireland to "7 years between any referendum" literally enshrined in law.

This "once in a generation, once in a lifetime" the opposition chat are using was the Yes campaign trying to persuade people to vote for them. There are many many quotes from better together just as misleading. Each side throwing them at each other is just an endless circle and does nothing for those undecided who want to know the case for staying or leaving.

For me brexit is massive, we now have a minister for brexit opportunities who point blank refuses to speak about brexit opportunities. We've left a union based mainly on anti immigration rhetoric and now illegal immigration is up.

It was always curious that a brexit referendum only became a thing once the EU started closing loopholes on money laundering and offshore accounts i.e. how the super wealthy avoid contributing to our society.

I'm interested to hear why staying in this union is going to make things better. As all we've seen for 12years is a political circus

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s a no for me. Since when did 8 years become ‘once in a life time’?

We voted, Salmond resigned and left us with Sturgeon. If the vote is ‘No’ will she resign?

She’s willing to have a vote regardless of whether it is legal or not. Not exactly a good example to set.

In the good Friday agreement westminster limits Northern Ireland to "7 years between any referendum" literally enshrined in law.

I'm interested to hear why staying in this union is going to make things better. As all we've seen for 12years is a political circus"

Nailed it.

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By *otbeefandonionsCouple over a year ago

Bathgate

"Originally posted in the politics forum but would be interesting to see what people on this post think.

** not wanting to start a name calling argument just an honest question **

Should Scotland be granted a referendum and secure independence I’m assuming that there will be the need for a hard boarder between Scotland and the rest of the uk.

And this being the case and that there is only just word of a freight ferry service returning to rosyth and that it’ll take around 17hrs to reach mainland Europe.

I imagine that the longest queue would be heading north as most trucks leave Scotland empty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Originally posted in the politics forum but would be interesting to see what people on this post think.

** not wanting to start a name calling argument just an honest question **

Should Scotland be granted a referendum and secure independence I’m assuming that there will be the need for a hard boarder between Scotland and the rest of the uk.

And this being the case and that there is only just word of a freight ferry service returning to rosyth and that it’ll take around 17hrs to reach mainland Europe.

Not to jump into this in depth, but right now there is a sea border between N.I and Scotland and it still falls within the EU customs. Effectively you would just be moving the border from the sea, to between Scotland and England, which would leave you the near direct link to the EU via N.I./ IRE.

The bigger question on that is N.I then being totally isolated.

In reality, you say 'the way the EU treats the UK over N.I.'. The clusterfuck is the making of the Conservative Party and their unwillingness, inability to negotiate effectively. When we left, we knew what the rules were for 3rd country status, we helped make them. We cant complain when they are applied to us.

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By *ighlandguy007Man over a year ago

inverness/Bournemouth

"Originally posted in the politics forum but would be interesting to see what people on this post think.

** not wanting to start a name calling argument just an honest question **

Should Scotland be granted a referendum and secure independence I’m assuming that there will be the need for a hard boarder between Scotland and the rest of the uk.

And this being the case and that there is only just word of a freight ferry service returning to rosyth and that it’ll take around 17hrs to reach mainland Europe.

I imagine that the longest queue would be heading north as most trucks leave Scotland empty. "

Really?? Im not so sure I’ve spent the last 20+yrs driving and I don’t think I’ve ever gone south empty. I’m pretty certain that our fish industry alone is reliant on road transport to reach the large European fish markets in France and Belgium. Plus we don’t have the dock facilities to shift all our goods from road to sea. Everything we have has been on a truck at some point in its journey there is no way to completely remove the need for goods to transit the rUK

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By *unx2019Couple over a year ago

Moray

"It’s a yes from me too.

Judging by the calibre of politicians in Westminster and the corruption, we can’t make a worse job of it.

No just get jailed for fraud!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a hell yes from me. Makes sense cause after we get independence then the new parties will have a chance to be voted in. With new policies tailored to Scotland's needs.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

Scotland should be allowed to have their independence since it's was invaded by the British as well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes from us as well

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By *4Fun11Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

Hell yeah from me

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By *oShrinkingVioletWoman over a year ago

the land of unicorns and fairytales

It’s not Nicolas agenda it’s the party agenda ! It’s the whole basis upon which the SNP was founded ! you might want to check why the SNP was originally founded ?? and what will happen to the SNP of Scotland gets independence ! A wee political history lesson wouldn’t go amiss for folk in here

SNP is one of the only parties that actually follows the agendas that they have been elected on the back of !

I was a yes for freedom and a yes for brexit but now we’re out the EU I’m even more for a yes vote than I was before, on the basis that we don’t jump right back into bed with EU it’s almost as corrupt as Westminster

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not getting into this debate apart to say if you think the nuclear deterrent could feasibly be moved anywhere else with in the UK you are sadly mistaken. This was extensively researched and it's just not viable. The time to recreate all 3 facilities would be enormous and you do not even want to consider the costs.

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set.

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By *oversfunCouple over a year ago

city centre

"Not getting into this debate apart to say if you think the nuclear deterrent could feasibly be moved anywhere else with in the UK you are sadly mistaken. This was extensively researched and it's just not viable. The time to recreate all 3 facilities would be enormous and you do not even want to consider the costs.

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set. "

Pretty sure devonport could house all the nukes or even better build somewhere on the thames

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By *etsplayagain69Man over a year ago

prestwick

How about full devalotion for Scotland we take charge all of our affairs we can keep the queen if she wants rent out the holy loch for there nukes and the four countries do there own thing oh and we all keep our own money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can someone adopt me, the weans and the cat if I vote No....Mr already declared my arse will be out the door!

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By *etsplayagain69Man over a year ago

prestwick

I’ll adopt you but nae cat’s

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By *ringles0510Woman over a year ago

Central Borders

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"I’ll adopt you but nae cat’s "

But are you voting yes or no

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about full devalotion for Scotland we take charge all of our affairs we can keep the queen if she wants rent out the holy loch for there nukes and the four countries do there own thing oh and we all keep our own money "

Have you seen the recent investigation regarding the queen and her legal team modifying political bills before they get to parliment, in order to benefit her personal interests with no oversight? Been going on since 1960 and over 1000 bills have been affected. SNP refuse to release the information in Scotland. Surmise England Wales and NI also affected.

No one can put figures on the "economic benefit" royals bring to the country. So strange.

Added to bags of money in excess of 1million pounds being handed over to their "charity" are we really to believe this is how a modern country should be run?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I Googled what was happening then and found out that October 23rd is “Slap your co-worker day” "

Slap your Co-worker, a massive YES from me

Independence, I was no the last time and whilst I’m not a SNP supporter and never voted for them I’m leaning towards YES especially after the broken promises of the last time and the way that pr!ck and his pals in Westminster have behaved the last few years

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I Googled what was happening then and found out that October 23rd is “Slap your co-worker day”

Slap your Co-worker, a massive YES from me

I'm not SNP either but it seems a likely way to escape them is

A. Wait another 20years for England to mobilize a decent opposition party to escape a consecutive disastrous conservative cabinets.

B. Vote independence and expect Scotland to start forming our own decent opposition parties. As right now neither westminster nor Holyrood has anything resembling decent choice.

Its a shit show but look how we have got here. Labour should be rag dolling that government, instead of trying to be a diluted version of them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I Googled what was happening then and found out that October 23rd is “Slap your co-worker day”

Slap your Co-worker, a massive YES from me

I'm not SNP either but it seems a likely way to escape them is

A. Wait another 20years for England to mobilize a decent opposition party to escape a consecutive disastrous conservative cabinets.

B. Vote independence and expect Scotland to start forming our own decent opposition parties. As right now neither westminster nor Holyrood has anything resembling decent choice.

Its a shit show but look how we have got here. Labour should be rag dolling that government, instead of trying to be a diluted version of them."

Again, this. Wrapped in a nutshell.

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By *andj5Couple over a year ago

edinburgh

Hell no, they still can't sort the basics out.

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By *otbeefandonionsCouple over a year ago

Bathgate

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By *otbeefandonionsCouple over a year ago

Bathgate

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set.

Pretty sure devonport could house all the nukes or even better build somewhere on the thames"

They're strategically based in Faslane because of the geographic position. It's also used by France and USA for the same reason.

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By *lut Sara and bobCouple over a year ago

Renfrewshire

This is ideal. All the yessers get blocked.

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By *eneralKenobiMan over a year ago

North Angus

"This is ideal. All the yessers get blocked. "

Childish but I’m good with that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is ideal. All the yessers get blocked. "

Saves the rest of us a job

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By *amierebelMan over a year ago

My own little world

Would it actually change anything ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can someone adopt me, the weans and the cat if I vote No....Mr already declared my arse will be out the door!"

I can take the cat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Part of me hopes the Supreme Court doesn't grant a referendum legal, as it removes any pretence this is a union of free will (which incidently was initially formed by 0.06% of the population voting in favor of it after scotland was on its arse from the failed Darien scheme, and most of those MPs voting bribed with significant titles and land. Hardly an endearing endorsement)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Voted Yes last time, will be No this time.

I say that if there are 4 million allowed to vote in Scotland, then if Yes get more than 2 million + 1, then they win. Anyone who doesn't vote, soils their paper etc should be a vote for No.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Voted Yes last time, will be No this time.

I say that if there are 4 million allowed to vote in Scotland, then if Yes get more than 2 million + 1, then they win. Anyone who doesn't vote, soils their paper etc should be a vote for No. "

Not sure that could be claimed a fair result. To follow the logic, in a local or general election, anyone not voting or spoiling their vote, votes for the status quo.

....waits for music related jokes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Voted Yes last time, will be No this time.

I say that if there are 4 million allowed to vote in Scotland, then if Yes get more than 2 million + 1, then they win. Anyone who doesn't vote, soils their paper etc should be a vote for No.

Not sure that could be claimed a fair result. To follow the logic, in a local or general election, anyone not voting or spoiling their vote, votes for the status quo.

....waits for music related jokes

Well, whatever you want I suppose. Other elections don't have the PR levels of a referendum.

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By *uralCDTV/TS over a year ago

Highlands

I noticed she (wee naff nicola) is doing a Donald Trump, trying to claim a victory through the courts, when we all already know she has lost.

If this goes ahead, there must be a condition tied in, that this is the last one for 50 years!

If you hadn't noticed am a NO.

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I noticed she (wee naff nicola) is doing a Donald Trump, trying to claim a victory through the courts, when we all already know she has lost.

If this goes ahead, there must be a condition tied in, that this is the last one for 50 years!

If you hadn't noticed am a NO."

But of a misterstanding around the referral to the Supreme Court there. Its an enquiry into the legal status of a section 30 essentially. The legal wording of the constitution is ambiguous and should rightly so be clarified. Its why courts like that exist. Nobody is claiming victory in court or even trying to.

Why should it be limited to 50 years? Seems daft to just pick an arbrtraity number and deny yourself a democratic right and a very shaky precident to set. Theres nobody trying to rob you of your right to vote No, why would you look to remove that from anyone else?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Voted Yes last time, will be No this time.

I say that if there are 4 million allowed to vote in Scotland, then if Yes get more than 2 million + 1, then they win. Anyone who doesn't vote, soils their paper etc should be a vote for No.

Not sure that could be claimed a fair result. To follow the logic, in a local or general election, anyone not voting or spoiling their vote, votes for the status quo.

....waits for music related jokes

Well, whatever you want I suppose. Other elections don't have the PR levels of a referendum. "

Brilliant

They are voting all over the world this way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Voted Yes last time, will be No this time.

I say that if there are 4 million allowed to vote in Scotland, then if Yes get more than 2 million + 1, then they win. Anyone who doesn't vote, soils their paper etc should be a vote for No.

Not sure that could be claimed a fair result. To follow the logic, in a local or general election, anyone not voting or spoiling their vote, votes for the status quo.

....waits for music related jokes

Well, whatever you want I suppose. Other elections don't have the PR levels of a referendum.

Brilliant

They are voting all over the world this way

Then again, doing that may be burning bridges.

Enough with the Quo jokes. I hear them again and again and they're giving me the ol' rag blues (I'll get my (denim) jacket).

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set. "

Independent Scotland won't have nukes, moving it won't be Scotlands problem, nor will we care where its reallocated

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

"This is ideal. All the yessers get blocked. "

Yeah I got a ban from a couple based in London for educating a guy commenting from somewhere in England

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set.

Independent Scotland won't have nukes, moving it won't be Scotlands problem, nor will we care where its reallocated "

Then we do not get into NATO

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's laughable that amount of rasicim aimed at the English, if an English was so anti Scottish they would be hung out to dry, but no it's OK to hate the English!!!!!

How many years have the snp ran the show here and what's improved??

Certainly not drink and drug abuse, but it's all the English fault, if england has any sense they will let Scotland go, build a hard border, only allow in English, or dependants and sit back and watch the Scots implode when they can't blame the English for the snp failures

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's laughable that amount of rasicim aimed at the English, if an English was so anti Scottish they would be hung out to dry, but no it's OK to hate the English!!!!!

How many years have the snp ran the show here and what's improved??

Show me any Anti English posts in this thread? I dont know anyone who's anti English, i do know a bunch of English that are pro indy though. You're mistaking a dislike of Westminster and English Nationalism with Anti-English. The two arent even slightly related except among a few fuckwits.

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set.

Independent Scotland won't have nukes, moving it won't be Scotlands problem, nor will we care where its reallocated

Then we do not get into NATO "

I think you'll find that MOST nato countries don't have nuclear weapons!

Common theme on here, too many people listening to unionist BS and believing it.

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

How many years have the snp ran the show here and what's improved???

Abolition of tuition fees

Free childcare for children under school age

Introduction baby boxes

Scrapping prescription fees

Reduced tax rates for low income households

Recognised as one of the best countries in the world for LGBT+ equality

Theres a few to start. There's tons to read online if you fancy some more. Dead easy to educate yourself these days

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Voted Yes last time, will be No this time.

I say that if there are 4 million allowed to vote in Scotland, then if Yes get more than 2 million + 1, then they win. Anyone who doesn't vote, soils their paper etc should be a vote for No.

Not sure that could be claimed a fair result. To follow the logic, in a local or general election, anyone not voting or spoiling their vote, votes for the status quo.

....waits for music related jokes

Well, whatever you want I suppose. Other elections don't have the PR levels of a referendum.

Brilliant

They are voting all over the world this way

Then again, doing that may be burning bridges.

Enough with the Quo jokes. I hear them again and again and they're giving me the ol' rag blues (I'll get my (denim) jacket)."

.....you have defeated me , damn your extensive knowledge of cheesey British pop rock music

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By *avie65Man over a year ago

In the west.

How many years have the snp ran the show here and what's improved???

Abolition of tuition fees

Free childcare for children under school age

Introduction baby boxes

Scrapping prescription fees

Reduced tax rates for low income households

Recognised as one of the best countries in the world for LGBT+ equality

Theres a few to start. There's tons to read online if you fancy some more. Dead easy to educate yourself these days

It's just a pity the education system is fek in Scotland.

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By *allFromGrace_xWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes!

Infact I’m going to ask everyone who mails me and block the nos

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By *avie65Man over a year ago

In the west.

*^^feked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set.

Independent Scotland won't have nukes, moving it won't be Scotlands problem, nor will we care where its reallocated

Then we do not get into NATO

I think you'll find that MOST nato countries don't have nuclear weapons!

Common theme on here, too many people listening to unionist BS and believing it."

So SNP can guarantee NATO membership? We certainly would need to be as we won't have have any armed forces

IF SNP dont give me the answers I want then it's a no as I do not trust them one bit

Your argument is SNP are great all unionist talk BS, I will wait and see what both sides say and more importantly what NATO and EU say

I don't want to join EU but SNP using this as a selling point that we were dragged out so will be interesting to hear what EU has to say

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

It's just a pity the education system is fek in Scotland. "

It depends what you mean by education really. 3 of the best universities in the world is very good for such a small country.

Or a PISA rating more than doubling for 4.1 in 2015 to 9.3 in 2018 is a pretty good indicator.

Theres always room for improvement, and the importance of education cant very overstated. It would be nice to be able to spend more money on it and other things that benefit Scotland instead of nuclear weapons, HS2, the London underground, Buckingham Palace refurbishments etc etc etc.

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

So SNP can guarantee NATO membership? We certainly would need to be as we won't have have any armed forces

Does that mean you think the rest of the UK just keep all shared assets after a separation?

There's plenty of historical precedent for what happens to things like armies, over seas embassies, shared domestic infrastructure, state pensions etc. This isn't some untested thing and there's answers to all of it, but it isn't a case of r/UK saying "if youre leaving im keeping all of this" and never has been. However its in their intestest to have you believe thats the case.

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By *avie65Man over a year ago

In the west.

It's just a pity the education system is fek in Scotland.

It depends what you mean by education really. 3 of the best universities in the world is very good for such a small country.

Or a PISA rating more than doubling for 4.1 in 2015 to 9.3 in 2018 is a pretty good indicator.

Yes they are 3 of the best but they can attract students from all over the world because of their rankins.

I work in education and I come across students every day that don't know where or when to use a capital letter or know that percentages, fractions & decimals all tell you the same thing. Quite a few don't know what the basic arithmetic operators are or how to work out an average.

There is always room for improvement and we sadly need it, but education has been dumbed down over the last 20 odd years.

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

How many years have the snp ran the show here and what's improved???

Abolition of tuition fees

Free childcare for children under school age

Introduction baby boxes

Scrapping prescription fees

Reduced tax rates for low income households

Recognised as one of the best countries in the world for LGBT+ equality

Theres a few to start. There's tons to read online if you fancy some more. Dead easy to educate yourself these days

Well said and like you say, you've not even scratched the surface of what the snp have done for Scotland

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By *tarbrand5005Man over a year ago

Glasgow

It's just a pity the education system is fek in Scotland.

It depends what you mean by education really. 3 of the best universities in the world is very good for such a small country.

Or a PISA rating more than doubling for 4.1 in 2015 to 9.3 in 2018 is a pretty good indicator.

Yes they are 3 of the best but they can attract students from all over the world because of their rankins.

There is always room for improvement and we sadly need it, but education has been dumbed down over the last 20 odd years. "

It comes down to the difference between anecdotal and measurable.

I dont doubt that youre right about some kids not knowing certain things. Attainment gaps and underfunding chronically lead to problems. An independent Scotland would have considerably more money to spend on education that it does currently.

Maybe the government of the day would spend it there, maybe they wouldn't, its impossible to say, but its a fact that they wouldn't be forced to spend millions on projects outside of Scotland which have no benefit to the people here.

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By *aledonianDoranMan over a year ago

fife

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set.

Independent Scotland won't have nukes, moving it won't be Scotlands problem, nor will we care where its reallocated

Then we do not get into NATO

I think you'll find that MOST nato countries don't have nuclear weapons!

Common theme on here, too many people listening to unionist BS and believing it.

So SNP can guarantee NATO membership? We certainly would need to be as we won't have have any armed forces

IF SNP dont give me the answers I want then it's a no as I do not trust them one bit

Your argument is SNP are great all unionist talk BS, I will wait and see what both sides say and more importantly what NATO and EU say

I don't want to join EU but SNP using this as a selling point that we were dragged out so will be interesting to hear what EU has to say

Where do you get all your information from? Please explain why Scotland won't have any armed forces!!

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By *avie65Man over a year ago

In the west.

It's just a pity the education system is fek in Scotland.

It depends what you mean by education really. 3 of the best universities in the world is very good for such a small country.

Or a PISA rating more than doubling for 4.1 in 2015 to 9.3 in 2018 is a pretty good indicator.

Yes they are 3 of the best but they can attract students from all over the world because of their rankins.

There is always room for improvement and we sadly need it, but education has been dumbed down over the last 20 odd years.

It comes down to the difference between anecdotal and measurable.

I'm not so sure we would have more money to spend here though as we have to pay back a share of the furlough debt.

Surely as a progressive socialist country spending money outside of the country is a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All I am going to say on this matter is Holy Loch US naval base. The precedent has been set.

Independent Scotland won't have nukes, moving it won't be Scotlands problem, nor will we care where its reallocated

Then we do not get into NATO

I think you'll find that MOST nato countries don't have nuclear weapons!

Common theme on here, too many people listening to unionist BS and believing it.

So SNP can guarantee NATO membership? We certainly would need to be as we won't have have any armed forces

IF SNP dont give me the answers I want then it's a no as I do not trust them one bit

Your argument is SNP are great all unionist talk BS, I will wait and see what both sides say and more importantly what NATO and EU say

I don't want to join EU but SNP using this as a selling point that we were dragged out so will be interesting to hear what EU has to say

Where do you get all your information from? Please explain why Scotland won't have any armed forces!!"

Where will all the money come from to have armed forces? Proper one mind not like dad's army

I am open to discussing and listening as I pointed out I voted yes before but the problem is all yes voters think everything is going to be great with independence when there are way to many questions still to be answered and I personally do not think the SNP are up to the job

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By *randmissdemeanourMan over a year ago

glasgow

100% YES