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Use of Cis terminology

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How many straight or bi people are annoyed by the term Cis? Ok I wouldn't rage at someone for mis-gendering me, because thats how I see it, but it does irk me. Being offended doesn't hurt lol.

Personally I don't like it. I'm a man, not a cis-man. Gina hates being called cis-female as she's a woman.

Surely its up to the individual as to how they are gendered and not anyone else?

Thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I personally don't like labeling things but it does help others identify who they see themselves as.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

(Hands OP tin hat).

I think it's a lot of fucking nonsense.

Same with pronouns. Fair enough if someone wants to state theirs but don't expect everyone to play along and spit the dummy when they don't. If you need to ask if I am a woman or want to be referred to as "she" then it's going to be a short conversation.

I'm a woman, not a sub category of anything. Just a woman.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wouldn't thank you for it if someone referred to me as cis female. I'm female, always have been and always will be x

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well if everyone can choose their own label why does some random person who doesn't know me get to specify what mine is?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Miss muff and kitty katt, you're pictures certainly confirmed that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread smells of Tory

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It smells of something!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread smells of Tory"

That's sweeping generalisation.

I've never voted Tory in my life.

Labour, then SNP...though that may change as NS is buying into this pish too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread smells of Tory

That's sweeping generalisation.

I've never voted Tory in my life.

Labour, then SNP...though that may change as NS is buying into this pish too."

Buying into what pish?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Not tory either, sorry. But you say that like it's a bad thing? So what do you mean?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally don't want or need a tin hat.

If your born a female and stay a female your a female.

If you decide to get an op your a trans.

You can choose not too and identify as whatever the hell you want.you can however ask people to refere you to your chosen identity but you cannot tell others what to think.

If you as a woman trans or whatever you get arrested and 2 big feck off hairy arsed policemen say you need strip searched..you say sorry only female officers can do that..OK they say that's OK.. we identify as women.

Your OK with that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread smells of Tory

That's sweeping generalisation.

I've never voted Tory in my life.

Labour, then SNP...though that may change as NS is buying into this pish too.

Buying into what pish? "

Virtue signalling.

I saw footage of her recently stating her pronouns. Fair enough, she can do that if she wants but call me cynical...it's not to be inclusive, or kind, it's an attempt to appeal to a younger demographic.

There are far more people in the community with disabilities (visible or not) than there are trans people but I've yet to see or hear an MP stand up and refer to themselves as able bodied, or hearing, in recognition of their "privilege" and to demonstrate they know everyone isn't the same.

It's completely disingenuous on the part of the politicians.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who cares? If you’re annoyed by a 3 letter prefix you need to get your priorities sorted. How often are you realistically going to be referred to as ‘cis’ in day to day life anyway? If it makes things easier for others then it’s all good in my eyes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who cares? If you’re annoyed by a 3 letter prefix you need to get your priorities sorted. How often are you realistically going to be referred to as ‘cis’ in day to day life anyway? If it makes things easier for others then it’s all good in my eyes

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I had to Google it

Hey ho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So in some circumstances I'm being asked to use pronouns which don't obviously correlate with the person I see in front of me (I do just to avoid hassle btw) but I can't expect the same courtesy in return when I ask not to be referred to as Cis?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

As a friend of prison officers, the female guards are pissed at having to search males with erections, and that's not uncommon, or face losing their jobs. This happened multiple times and they are repremanded if they refuse.

And contrary to belief, male guards really don't want to search females either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a friend of prison officers, the female guards are pissed at having to search males with erections, and that's not uncommon, or face losing their jobs. This happened multiple times and they are repremanded if they refuse.

And contrary to belief, male guards really don't want to search females either."

Rhona Hotchkiss (former prison governor at Cornton Vale) has spoke extensively about this. Have a look for her on YouTube.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And contrary to belief, male guards really don't want to search females either."
my point is can't have it both ways..well there's a joke in there somewhere lol

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By *izzmasterzeroMan over a year ago

Aberdeen

This shit pisses me off, a small percentage of people are confused about what they are so instead of figuring it out they get together in their little communities and hate on everyone else for having the nerve to call them as the gender they were born... has a vagina, has breasts, has a small female frame, long hair, wears female clothes... and we have the audacity to assume it's a female ugh the horror, also all these nonsense made up words like ze, zim, xem, hirs... the list is endless for fuck sake and these people expect everyone to keep up? Fair enough if I personally know you and we interact regularly then I have no problem calling you whatever you want, but don't be giving complete stranger shit for saying what they see, keep it inside your head for the whole 2 minutes you interact with them instead of going ape shit.

... "To what degree am I expected to partake in your own self esteem / worth"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t understand how anyone can be against normalising the use of pronouns. Regardless of your “beliefs”, it’s such a simple and small thing for you to adjust which can make someone feel accepted, safe and respected.

At the end of the day, nobody can force you to use specific language so you can do what you want. I just don’t get why you would actively go out of your way to be intolerant. The fact that there’s even a conversation or debate about this is so fucked.

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By *eaSlutsCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

You being referred to by someone as a cis-woman isn't someone using a pronoun. Granted, it may be somewhat irritating for you but, in essence, they are agreeing with your viewpoint in that they are addressing you as an individual who was assigned female gender at birth and lives as a woman. It's not a misgendering situation.

If you use the person's prefered pronouns, that's amazing as you are recognising their identity in doing so.

If you didn't use their preferred pronouns, not to say that you ever do or would, that would be like someone referring to you as he/him/man etc which, I assume, would be a bit irritating to you as well.

At the end of the day, the use of pronouns and gender indicators is all about providing recognition to the way people identify and should be respected.

Hell, if someone wanted to he referred to as a tattie, I would, because realistically it doesn't affect me in any manner but not referring to someone as they wish to be referred could be very impactful in their life.

C x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally feel uneasy calling someone them.its rude to me.if she or he looks like a female or male I'm saying him or her.Sorry if that offends you but its a fekn headfu*k to ask folk to know instinctively what you want to be known as.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Me personally feel uneasy calling someone them.its rude to me.if she or he looks like a female or male I'm saying him or her.Sorry if that offends you but its a fekn headfu*k to ask folk to know instinctively what you want to be known as."

Okay, but what if they ASKED you to?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don’t understand how anyone can be against normalising the use of pronouns. Regardless of your “beliefs”, it’s such a simple and small thing for you to adjust which can make someone feel accepted, safe and respected.

I've said I would use their pronouns (he/she...no made up nonsense) when talking to them. That doesn't extend to what I'm thinking though. None of us has the right to expect to define how others see us. In that case I'd expect to be seen as an 18yr centrefold 365 days a year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you use the person's prefered pronouns, that's amazing as you are recognising their identity in doing so.

At the end of the day, the use of pronouns and gender indicators is all about providing recognition to the way people identify and should be respected.

C x

By referring to me as a "cis woman" the inference is that there are different kinds of women.

And there aren't. Just the female kind.

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

This whole thread sums up the hatred and othering that trans people face. It’s horrible.

I suppose in a site where people are disinhibited about some aspects of their life, they’re more likely to use that anonymity to lower the mask and let the hate out.

Its the sneering hateful way it’s delivered that really irks too. They say they “don’t have a problem with….” but then demand an end to or limitations on rights which people have held for years.

The anonymity of a swingers site just makes it easier for the hateful speech in the thread above to flow freely. They hide their faces because they know society will judge theirs for their kinks, fetishes, or other sexual proclivities, but are quite happy to throw hate at anyone who doesn’t confirm to their own version of ‘normal’.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns."

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This whole thread sums up the hatred and othering that trans people face. It’s horrible.

I suppose in a site where people are disinhibited about some aspects of their life, they’re more likely to use that anonymity to lower the mask and let the hate out.

Why is it deemed hateful to say wee disagree with someone?

This is an adult site.

Adults should be able to disagree without name calling?

I don't hate anyone on here. Why would I hate people who I have never met?

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By *eaSlutsCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x"

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

Trans doesn't bother me as a term. It doesn't apply to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Okay, but what if they ASKED you to? "

I did ask them and they went mental at me for for being transphibic and denying their existence. Sound familiar?

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By *eaSlutsCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

Trans doesn't bother me as a term. It doesn't apply to me."

And thats great. You would be amazed though at the types of responses people have posted on the various threads in these forums. The transphobia is rife on this site which is crazy. Not just the disagreement about pronouns/terminology but actual, bilious hate being spewed.

Aren't we all just here for a good time?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x"

That’s literally the reason why this thread was made. OP doesn’t like to be called a cis-man. Seems to be something small or slight thing, no?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry did I miss the hateful speech?

Again on this forum too many take disagreeing with someone as hate speech or personal attacks.

We are all ment to be grown adults not kids throwing their toys out a pram because God forbid someone has a different opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

Trans doesn't bother me as a term. It doesn't apply to me.

Aren't we all just here for a good time?!"

I've been called transphobic, a bigot, a TERF and told to fuck off for expressing the above views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oofft I got blocked lol think I got off lightly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry did I miss the hateful speech?

Again on this forum too many take disagreeing with someone as hate speech or personal attacks.

We are all ment to be grown adults not kids throwing their toys out a pram because God forbid someone has a different opinion. "

It depends on what your opinion is about though. Contrary to popular belief, opinions CAN be wrong and some should be condemned. Nobody is saying that there’s hate speech in this thread, but there have been some threads with some very questionable, bigoted and downright hateful “opinions”. You wouldn’t be encouraging people to have differing opinions about racism, would you? We can all agree that is factually something that should be fought against. It’s the same idea when discussing people’s sexuality/gender identity etc. We should all be agreeing that being tolerant, respectful and accepting of people is the way forward, yet it’s still something that’s being debated.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x"

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

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By *eaSlutsCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x"

In your opinion, for what reason can that question not be addressed to women?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm away for a lie down.

My head hurts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

Of course I do. Do you honestly think I would identify myself as anything else? I'm not a man and I'm not trans, that does not apply to me. What do you identify as?

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By *uietbloke67Man over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"This thread smells of Tory"

Quote stinks of I don't agree so I brand it Tory and I can pigeon hole it

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

You’re so close to getting the whole point here. Gender identify can be confusing. You are unlikely to have heard of the concept of ‘non binary’ in relation to gender before now. We’ve known for a while, though, in polite society that intentionally misgendering a trans or NB person is rude and deeply offensive. Normalising setting out which pronouns you use is exactly to avoid any guessing and reduce the chances of accidental misgendering.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

Of course I do. Do you honestly think I would identify myself as anything else? I'm not a man and I'm not trans, that does not apply to me. What do you identify as?"

Looks like we’re just a couple of CIS-women then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

Sex is observed at birth. Not assigned.

None of my midwife friends have ever had to have a wee confab as there was some confusion over the sex of a baby they delivered.

(And intersex is a whole other debate before someone jumps in with that one, it has bugger all to do with trans).

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

Sex is observed at birth. Not assigned.

None of my midwife friends have ever had to have a wee confab as there was some confusion over the sex of a baby they delivered.

(And intersex is a whole other debate before someone jumps in with that one, it has bugger all to do with trans)."

Sex and gender are different.

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

Of course I do. Do you honestly think I would identify myself as anything else? I'm not a man and I'm not trans, that does not apply to me. What do you identify as?"

There was a similar moral panic when “straight” and “heterosexual” started to be used to indicate “not gay/bi”.

If your objection to the term is because to you it simply means “normal”, you might want to consider why that would be a problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

And there's the issue. She is, by definition, a woman, not a cis-woman. Because that is her preferred pronoun. Why can't she be called woman?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

Sex is observed at birth. Not assigned.

None of my midwife friends have ever had to have a wee confab as there was some confusion over the sex of a baby they delivered.

(And intersex is a whole other debate before someone jumps in with that one, it has bugger all to do with trans).

Sex and gender are different. "

How many genders are there?

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By *4Fun11Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

Oh fgs does it really matter? The world has gone mad for labelling!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh fgs does it really matter? The world has gone mad for labelling!

Only ones I'm interested in are the yellow ones as they get snapped up for his dinner

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

And there's the issue. She is, by definition, a woman, not a cis-woman. Because that is her preferred pronoun. Why can't she be called woman? "

I don’t think you understand what a pronoun is. If she’s a cis woman, I imagine the pronouns she uses are she/her. Certainly those are the pronouns you’ve been using for her without any issue.

If you didn’t know they were a woman, I’m quite sure you could use “they” without any issue.

“Cis woman” doesn’t replace “woman” it’s a sub set. In the same way as “tall woman” or “German woman” or “kind woman” are all descriptive sets.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

And there's the issue. She is, by definition, a woman, not a cis-woman. Because that is her preferred pronoun. Why can't she be called woman? "

As already explained to you earlier in the thread, “cis” is not the same as the typical he/him, she/her, they/them pronouns. It’s just used for describing someone who identifies as the gender assigned to them at birth. It’s a very useful term, especially in conversations like this where you may want to differentiate someone who is cis versus someone who is trans.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

And there's the issue. She is, by definition, a woman, not a cis-woman. Because that is her preferred pronoun. Why can't she be called woman?

I don’t think you understand what a pronoun is. If she’s a cis woman, I imagine the pronouns she uses are she/her. Certainly those are the pronouns you’ve been using for her without any issue.

If you didn’t know they were a woman, I’m quite sure you could use “they” without any issue.

“Cis woman” doesn’t replace “woman” it’s a sub set. In the same way as “tall woman” or “German woman” or “kind woman” are all descriptive sets."

Great explanation, far better than mine!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

And there's the issue. She is, by definition, a woman, not a cis-woman. Because that is her preferred pronoun. Why can't she be called woman?

I don’t think you understand what a pronoun is. If she’s a cis woman, I imagine the pronouns she uses are she/her. Certainly those are the pronouns you’ve been using for her without any issue.

If you didn’t know they were a woman, I’m quite sure you could use “they” without any issue.

“Cis woman” doesn’t replace “woman” it’s a sub set. In the same way as “tall woman” or “German woman” or “kind woman” are all descriptive sets."

What is a woman?

(Extra points for giving us a definition without using the word "woman")

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By *he Regina PhalangeWoman over a year ago

Lanarkshire

I am a woman. I only learned what cis stood for very recently.

I’m still a woman.

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead. "

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's my take on it too

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

And there's the issue. She is, by definition, a woman, not a cis-woman. Because that is her preferred pronoun. Why can't she be called woman?

I think you knew what i meant.

Woman who started as a woman and remains a woman = cis-woman.

Woman who started as a man = woman, not trans woman? Why are they so offended by being called what they are instead of pushing women out of the term woman and taking it over?

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"I am a woman. I only learned what cis stood for very recently.

I’m still a woman."

Yes. No-one is suggesting you aren’t. A trans woman is also a woman. Them being a woman doesn’t make you any less a woman. You are a cis woman and they are a trans woman. The only time you need to worry about anyone using ‘cis’ to describe you is if they are describing you as being distinct from trans women.

But you’re still a woman.

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By *uietbloke67Man over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Something dead meaningful and profound is written here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a woman. I only learned what cis stood for very recently.

I’m still a woman."

Yeah, you’re a woman, but you’re also a cis woman x

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

What is a woman?

(Extra points for giving us a definition without using the word "woman")"

That’s not how language (or science) works.

I could ask you the same question but to define a chair (without using the word chair or the word table).

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead.

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man. "

And this is where we disagree. I'm a man, they are a trans man. I, and many others, don't accept they are a man. Thats not offensive, not hate speech and certainly doesnt degrade them or refuse their existence. It calls them what they are, they just don't like it. Being offended doesn't automatically mean you're right.

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Then obviously I'd do it.

That's manners.

In real life I know trans people and never ever had any of them had their knickers in a twist as much as folk on here about correct pronouns.

I'm pretty sure it's because people get offended by the slightest thing. Something is said and it always gets twisted and or taken out of context in some way x

Like those being irritated by the use of cis/trans?

I'm certainly not irritated by it as I am not cis or trans. That's really not a question that should be directed at women x

Do you identify as a woman? If that’s the gender you were assigned at birth then you are, by definition, a cis-woman x

And there's the issue. She is, by definition, a woman, not a cis-woman. Because that is her preferred pronoun. Why can't she be called woman?

I don’t think you understand what a pronoun is. If she’s a cis woman, I imagine the pronouns she uses are she/her. Certainly those are the pronouns you’ve been using for her without any issue.

If you didn’t know they were a woman, I’m quite sure you could use “they” without any issue.

“Cis woman” doesn’t replace “woman” it’s a sub set. In the same way as “tall woman” or “German woman” or “kind woman” are all descriptive sets.

Great explanation, far better than mine! "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead.

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man.

Okay I was waiting for you to eventually just admit that your problem isn’t a 3 letter prefix, but rather a deeper intolerance against other people. That makes a lot more sense now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead.

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man.

If it’s just a name why not use the terms real woman and non biological woman?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry but your very angry at alot of folk.

As much as you can say it until your red blue or pink in the face women born woman and choose to stay women will never use the term cis women.

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead.

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man.

Okay. A couple of things. Apologies for misgendering you - I read “Gina” and my mind filled in the blanks. You don’t appear to be too offended, so that’s good. Just in case though, it was unintentional and not an attempt to point-score.

I can’t agree with your “they just don’t like it” argument. There are all sorts of reasons why saying things like that is wrong.

Someone might not think that immigrants to these shores can be “British/Scottish”. To quietly seethe at this injustice is your lookout. To loudly and repeatedly claim that they’re not and never will be “British/Scottish” and to take to Internet forums to state that case over and over again would be the actions of someone who is racist.

This is an imperfect comparison for a number of reasons, but my point isn’t about the philosophy of what makes a “woman” or what makes a “Brit”, my point is about the social blind-spot many people seem to have about this issue and who don’t seem to care who they hurt when throwing their opinions around.

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Sorry but your very angry at alot of folk.

As much as you can say it until your red blue or pink in the face women born woman and choose to stay women will never use the term cis women."

You’re simply wrong about that. Aside from your problematic use of “choose” there, it’s simply not true.

There are plenty cis women who do agree with you. But there are also plenty who don’t.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As I said I had to Google the term so new 1 on me.hence why I'd say most wouldn't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead.

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man.

Okay I was waiting for you to eventually just admit that your problem isn’t a 3 letter prefix, but rather a deeper intolerance against other people. That makes a lot more sense now. "

You disagree therefore you're intolerant. That didn't take long. I win the bullshit bingo round with that remark

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By *teve_it_aloneMan over a year ago

Dunfermline

"As I said I had to Google the term so new 1 on me.hence why I'd say most wouldn't."

I think you’re right. The reason a lot of people wouldn’t use it is that they don’t know it exists, never mind what it means.

I genuinely hope we’ve been able to help you understand a little more about what it means and why it is used… and maybe make it a little less threatening or frightening for you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead.

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man.

If it’s just a name why not use the terms real woman and non biological woman?"

SNP terminology used for adverts for smear test invites for "persons with a uterus"

ffs Women have a uterus. The world is going mad.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Very good, but yet again the question is not answered. Why can't a woman just be called a woman if that is the desired term?

And it has replaced woman in the trans community. And how come its ok for a man to say they are a woman but not a woman? They are called cis-woman instead.

It hasn’t though. You’re a woman. I have no issue with that. A trans woman is also a woman. The difference between you (one of them) is that you’re a cis woman and they’re a trans woman.

I’m a man. A trans man is also a man. They’re a trans man and I’m a cis man. We’re both men. Them existing makes me no less a man. Me existing makes then no less a man.

I can’t agree with your “they just don’t like it” argument. There are all sorts of reasons why saying things like that is wrong.

No offence taken, you've not been rude and hopefully I've not been rude back.

I don't want to get off topic regarding the brit thing so I'll keep it on track although I get what you're meaning with the similarity.

Language is not set in stone, it changes over time as society changes. My issue is the minority, and trans are a minority, seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill regarding the use of the word female or woman. They are a very noisy minority and the main bulk of people disagree with what they are doing to the words.

Being in disagreement with someone is not hatred of the person or an attqck on them, certainly not in this case, its a disagreement on the use of the english language.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What is a woman?

(Extra points for giving us a definition without using the word "woman")

That’s not how language (or science) works.

I could ask you the same question but to define a chair (without using the word chair or the word table). "

Chair: (noun) a separate seat for one person, typically with a back and four legs.

Woman: (noun) an adult female human being.