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"Are we all fed up with it now? Should we have a second vote ?" Now we all have more information and can begin to see the realities of leaving. We should have for a real informed 2nd vote. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld ." 
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now. | |||
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"No 2nd referendum. Just cancel the whole stupid idea. Why people keep banging on about a vote from two bloody years ago is beyond me. There hasn't been anything to suggest the U.K. will be better off leaving the EU and lots of things that will be worse. So why bother? Dump Brexit. Crack on and claim our place as a European Giant " | |||
"No 2nd referendum. Just cancel the whole stupid idea. Why people keep banging on about a vote from two bloody years ago is beyond me. There hasn't been anything to suggest the U.K. will be better off leaving the EU and lots of things that will be worse. So why bother? Dump Brexit. Crack on and claim our place as a European Giant "Unfortunately politicians are too spineless to do the right thing. | |||
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"Are we all fed up with it now? Should we have a second vote ?" I said it years ago, 2 years ago before the referendum, I said it also after the referendum, over this Xmas when May won her parties confidence and I still say it... we won't be leaving | |||
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"Are we all fed up with it now? Should we have a second vote ? Now we all have more information and can begin to see the realities of leaving. We should have for a real informed 2nd vote." what rubbish . trying to play the ignorance card doesn't wash( a typical remain trait) .this was supposed this be a once in a lifetime vote . we had a result so we make the best of it now however good or bad it mat be. in all honesty nobody really knows what will actually happen .all the previous forecasted hasn't really happened . A second vote is just an easy option andxi for one don't welcome another vote .its time the people and the politicians got on with this . its time to think about this country and not the EU.stop the childishness,stop the tomfoolery .the behaviour of this country and is becoming unacceptable .its not a bloody game .the bandwagon for another vote needs de ,-railing .stop acting like spoilt brats .grow a set ....and grow up . if the people in charge can't bring this about get some on who will.stop this shit | |||
"Are we all fed up with it now? Should we have a second vote ? Now we all have more information and can begin to see the realities of leaving. We should have for a real informed 2nd vote.what rubbish . trying to play the ignorance card doesn't wash( a typical remain trait) .this was supposed this be a once in a lifetime vote . we had a result so we make the best of it now however good or bad it mat be. in all honesty nobody really knows what will actually happen .all the previous forecasted hasn't really happened . A second vote is just an easy option andxi for one don't welcome another vote .its time the people and the politicians got on with this . its time to think about this country and not the EU.stop the childishness,stop the tomfoolery .the behaviour of this country and is becoming unacceptable .its not a bloody game .the bandwagon for another vote needs de ,-railing .stop acting like spoilt brats .grow a set ....and grow up . if the people in charge can't bring this about get some on who will.stop this shit " Yet more evidence for why we shouldn’t have another referendum. This persons complete misunderstanding of the situation seems to be commonplace. As a nation we’re not on the ball here, at all. | |||
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"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well." An interesting take on things! What I don't understand is your opposition to the EU being too big? As we will see how Britain will cope vs US, CHINA, & Japan as well as Russia when it comes to dealings at all levels. I assume also that your retired and enjoying life in Deutschland? That you just want a trading club for Europe? Obviously your wife is German and as we know there are many different parties and she wants Germany out too - which is fine but Germany has dominated Europe for decades, but even mighty Germany is small fry in the grand scheme of things. Germany has done very well out of the EU but it is being challenged by other states and currently is in turmoil like most of the "western countries " mainly because "mutty" has been in power too long! I agree the EU does need to reform but I don't have a problem with "unelected " commissioners- I would rather have the best in the job as opposed to someone the public like (Brexit personalities for example). With regards to Greece it made its own problems- fiddled the figures to join and was corrupt in its system (read adults in the room) -so was a broken system. It's now recovering and is getting there slowly- was the medicine right - I don't know there were two approaches but Germany economics ruled - not perhaps the best for Greece? The lesson with both Greece & UK is alone we are small nations, together we are an economic superpower on the same level as US, China & Russia. We will be bullied by the big boys get used to it - the empire has gone! | |||
"No 2nd referendum. Just cancel the whole stupid idea. Why people keep banging on about a vote from two bloody years ago is beyond me. There hasn't been anything to suggest the U.K. will be better off leaving the EU and lots of things that will be worse. So why bother? Dump Brexit. Crack on and claim our place as a European Giant "Actually there is nothing to substantiate it being worse either!! It’s all bollocks but the population voted out so put it is!! | |||
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"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well." Brillient post | |||
"Democracy is a continuous process and so we should do what is right and understood progressively. The brexit campaign was so full of lies and illegal activity that youd only assume would happen and be overlooked in a tinpot third world country. The whole affair should have triggered an immediate halt to any exit progress. With just a few weeks to go and the governing party not having agreed what it should do, Article 50 would be canceled by anyone with credible leadership. But we don't have that. Absolutely remain as it's the cohesive answer that's superior to Mays or no deal. " Project fear is full of lies allways has been but you lot refuse to admit the truth that you must know,surely your smarter than that | |||
"I now own a French company and looking at moving!" Good bye and I hope we stop your pension when your older,and your heating allowance,this country does not need you. | |||
"No 2nd referendum. Just cancel the whole stupid idea. Why people keep banging on about a vote from two bloody years ago is beyond me. There hasn't been anything to suggest the U.K. will be better off leaving the EU and lots of things that will be worse. So why bother? Dump Brexit. Crack on and claim our place as a European Giant "Good plan, we all seemed to have much more fun before the referendum!  | |||
"No 2nd referendum. Just cancel the whole stupid idea. Why people keep banging on about a vote from two bloody years ago is beyond me. There hasn't been anything to suggest the U.K. will be better off leaving the EU and lots of things that will be worse. So why bother? Dump Brexit. Crack on and claim our place as a European Giant
Actually there is nothing to substantiate it being worse either!! It’s all bollocks but the population voted out so put it is!!"But that's a circular argument. There's nothing substantive to say we'll be better off out. So there is no point risking a possible down turn. I couldn't care less about the flawed vote from two years ago. The amount of clueless nonsense being spout on all side made it a pointless farce. | |||
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"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well." Treaty of Rome 1957. This is what we joined. Article 2 and Article 3c. I agree with you about over-expansion. Hungary and, particularly sadly, Poland prove that. Greece not do much. It was their own corruption and poor investment that put them where they were. What was your solution? More money and carry on? Ireland and Portugal got on and recovered far faster so why was Greece a special case? The Commission is unelected. So is our civil service. I'm not sure I follow your point. ARTICLE 1 By this Treaty, the HIGH CONTRACTING PARTIES establish among themselves a EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY. ARTICLE 2 The Community shall have as its task, by establishing a common market and progressively approximating the economic policies of Member States, to promote throughout the Community a harmonious development of economic activities, a continuous and balanced expansion, an increase in stability, an accelerated raising of the standard of living and closer relations between the States belonging to it. ARTICLE 3 For the purposes set out in Article 2, the activities of the Community shall include, as provided in this Treaty and in accordance with the timetable set out therein (a) the elimination, as between Member States, of customs duties and of quantitative restrictions on the import and export of goods, and of all other measures having equivalent effect; (b) the establishment of a common customs tariff and of a common commercial policy towards third countries; (c) the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to freedom of movement for persons, services and capital; (d) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of agriculture; (e) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of transport; (f) the institution of a system ensuring that competition in the common market is not distorted; (g) the application of procedures by which the economic policies of Member States can he co-ordinated and disequilibria in their balances of payments remedied; (h) the approximation of the laws of Member States to the extent required for the proper functioning of the common market; (i) the creation of a European Social Fund in order to improve employment opportunities for workers and to contribute to the raising of their standard of living; (j) the establishment of a European Investment Bank to facilitate the economic expansion of the Community by opening up fresh resources; (k) the association of the overseas countries and territories in order to increase trade and to promote jointly economic and social development | |||
"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well." Well said Europe is in a bloody mess, our own country is suffering with poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess, the collosal amount of money paid to Europe would be better spent securing our own countries, and putting the money into our infrastructure, other countries in the world trade. Perfectly well around the world we will survive and prosper with the right conditions we put more into Europe than we get out of it it's time to make it better and leave.. people are easily scaremongered and afraid of change however change can be good for everyone . It takes faith and determination to make it work | |||
"I still believe in it and don’t want another referendum after nigh on two years of scare tactics by remoaners in govt and in the press and media." | |||
"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well. Well said Europe is in a bloody mess, our own country is suffering with poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess, the collosal amount of money paid to Europe would be better spent securing our own countries, and putting the money into our infrastructure, other countries in the world trade. Perfectly well around the world we will survive and prosper with the right conditions we put more into Europe than we get out of it it's time to make it better and leave.. people are easily scaremongered and afraid of change however change can be good for everyone . It takes faith and determination to make it work " The EU has nothing to do with: poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess. That's our mess which we made. Should we blame others for your own problems? We send the EU a lot of money. Less than others relative to the size of our economy. We don't give it to them in exchange for nothing. We are a major force in a world economic superpower. We have over 90% of the votes in a 27 member group go our way. Does that make us a victim? We have free trade within one of the world's richest trading blocks on our doorstep as well as over 60 other countries including Japan and Canada. 4 of the G7. We also trade on EU agreements with almost every country in the world including the USA and China. Not WTO rules. Losing these will cost us far more than any money we "save". We have far greater influence in the world due to oir prominent | |||
"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well. Well said Europe is in a bloody mess, our own country is suffering with poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess, the collosal amount of money paid to Europe would be better spent securing our own countries, and putting the money into our infrastructure, other countries in the world trade. Perfectly well around the world we will survive and prosper with the right conditions we put more into Europe than we get out of it it's time to make it better and leave.. people are easily scaremongered and afraid of change however change can be good for everyone . It takes faith and determination to make it work " Every day I am astounded at the depth of the misunderstandings surrounding the EU by people that post on this forum. In this day and age with all the information available and still people have no clue. | |||
"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well. Well said Europe is in a bloody mess, our own country is suffering with poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess, the collosal amount of money paid to Europe would be better spent securing our own countries, and putting the money into our infrastructure, other countries in the world trade. Perfectly well around the world we will survive and prosper with the right conditions we put more into Europe than we get out of it it's time to make it better and leave.. people are easily scaremongered and afraid of change however change can be good for everyone . It takes faith and determination to make it work " The EU has nothing to do with: "poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess". That's our mess which we made. Should we blame others for your own problems? We send the EU a lot of money. Less than others relative to the size of our economy. We don't give it to them in exchange for nothing. We are a major force in a world economic superpower. We have over 90% of the votes in a 27 member group go our way. Does that make us a victim? We have free trade within one of the world's richest trading blocks on our doorstep as well as over 60 other countries including Japan and Canada. 4 of the G7. We also trade on EU agreements with almost every country in the world including the USA and China. Not WTO rules. Losing these will cost us far more than any money we "save". We have far greater influence in the world due to our prominent position in the EU than we will alone. We will lose that. We will have much worse place to live in the short term. That's 5-10 years. Yes we'll "survive" if that's your ambition. We will be worse off in the medium term (10-20 years). I don't have the time to lay out in detail why, but it's taken us two years to achieve nothing. We have 40 years of laws and organisations to dismantle and rebuild before we get to square one. After that? Who knows? I see and hear nothing that will make anyone's life better. Have you, other than saying that you believe in it? I'm not afraid. I'm reasonably insulated from this process financially. I don't want to see my country diminished. I don't think that you do either but I think that you are blaming the wrong people for our problems. How long will you be prepared to wait for:"poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess" before you are angry again? | |||
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"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well. Well said Europe is in a bloody mess, our own country is suffering with poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess, the collosal amount of money paid to Europe would be better spent securing our own countries, and putting the money into our infrastructure, other countries in the world trade. Perfectly well around the world we will survive and prosper with the right conditions we put more into Europe than we get out of it it's time to make it better and leave.. people are easily scaremongered and afraid of change however change can be good for everyone . It takes faith and determination to make it work The EU has nothing to do with: "poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess". That's our mess which we made. Should we blame others for your own problems? We send the EU a lot of money. Less than others relative to the size of our economy. We don't give it to them in exchange for nothing. We are a major force in a world economic superpower. We have over 90% of the votes in a 27 member group go our way. Does that make us a victim? We have free trade within one of the world's richest trading blocks on our doorstep as well as over 60 other countries including Japan and Canada. 4 of the G7. We also trade on EU agreements with almost every country in the world including the USA and China. Not WTO rules. Losing these will cost us far more than any money we "save". We have far greater influence in the world due to our prominent position in the EU than we will alone. We will lose that. We will have much worse place to live in the short term. That's 5-10 years. Yes we'll "survive" if that's your ambition. We will be worse off in the medium term (10-20 years). I don't have the time to lay out in detail why, but it's taken us two years to achieve nothing. We have 40 years of laws and organisations to dismantle and rebuild before we get to square one. After that? Who knows? I see and hear nothing that will make anyone's life better. Have you, other than saying that you believe in it? I'm not afraid. I'm reasonably insulated from this process financially. I don't want to see my country diminished. I don't think that you do either but I think that you are blaming the wrong people for our problems. How long will you be prepared to wait for:"poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess" before you are angry again?" We don't have a prominent position in the EU, and our influence in the world is diminished because of our membership of the EU, not enhanced as you suggest. Our voice is drowned out as a member of the EU amongst 27 other member states, so much so that it becomes nothing more than a whisper. Our voice can be much better heard out on the world stage on our own, where it's not drowned out or diminished by other competing members in a shitty trade block. You say you don't have time to lay out in detail why you think we'll be worse off in the short to medium term but the truth of it is you can't lay it out because you don't know. Remain propoganda and Project fear scaremongering is proven to be wrong time and time again, that's why you can't say because if you do it will be debunked as it has been over the last 2 and half years since the country voted Leave and none of Project Fears forecasts and predictions have materialised or happened. | |||
"Bring on a people's vote and stop Brexit. " The People's Vote campaign who lied about having 700,000 supporters on its march last October. What a joke. The Greater London Authority and Scotland Yard exposed the lies and said only 250,000 people were on that march. What else have the People's Vote lied about? | |||
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"Bring on a people's vote and stop Brexit. The People's Vote campaign who lied about having 700,000 supporters on its march last October. What a joke. The Greater London Authority and Scotland Yard exposed the lies and said only 250,000 people were on that march. What else have the People's Vote lied about? " JUST BRING IT ON. | |||
"Bring on a people's vote and stop Brexit. " Think this is heading for a no deal brexit,if JC gets his way on a general election by the time its happened we will be out by default moggy and boris must be loving him at the moment he is going to achieve exactly what they want and if the polls are to be believed they will be back in power after too.Must be laughing their cocks off. | |||
"Bring on a people's vote and stop Brexit. Think this is heading for a no deal brexit,if JC gets his way on a general election by the time its happened we will be out by default moggy and boris must be loving him at the moment he is going to achieve exactly what they want and if the polls are to be believed they will be back in power after too.Must be laughing their cocks off." I believe Corbyn has been secretly backing hard Brexit all along, and I think he voted Leave in the privacy of the polling booth in the 2016 EU referendum. He's opposed the EU virtually his whole career in politics. I think he's trying to help the tory Brexiteers like Mogg and Bojo achieve a clean break Brexit otherwise known as no deal or a managed no deal. Corbyn has fooled the mostly remain parliamentary Labour party, and has successfully pulled the wool over their eyes and other remainers out in the country over the last 2 and a half years. | |||
"Bring on a people's vote and stop Brexit. Think this is heading for a no deal brexit,if JC gets his way on a general election by the time its happened we will be out by default moggy and boris must be loving him at the moment he is going to achieve exactly what they want and if the polls are to be believed they will be back in power after too.Must be laughing their cocks off. I believe Corbyn has been secretly backing hard Brexit all along, and I think he voted Leave in the privacy of the polling booth in the 2016 EU referendum. He's opposed the EU virtually his whole career in politics. I think he's trying to help the tory Brexiteers like Mogg and Bojo achieve a clean break Brexit otherwise known as no deal or a managed no deal. Corbyn has fooled the mostly remain parliamentary Labour party, and has successfully pulled the wool over their eyes and other remainers out in the country over the last 2 and a half years. " Does this mean you are secretly a Remainer? | |||
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"This is all very well, but if you want the full facts do what I did today. Pop in to WH Smiths and cast your eyes over the Penguin book of Brexit. I was still laughing when I was driving home. Back to work in that terrible EU place next week. Can't wait to show my continental chums the full facts of Brexit as fully explained in the said Penguin book. " Is one of your continental chums Jean Claude Juncker? If so best to show him your Penguin book before noon, as he'll probably be too pissed to read it after lunchtime. | |||
"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well. Well said Europe is in a bloody mess, our own country is suffering with poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess, the collosal amount of money paid to Europe would be better spent securing our own countries, and putting the money into our infrastructure, other countries in the world trade. Perfectly well around the world we will survive and prosper with the right conditions we put more into Europe than we get out of it it's time to make it better and leave.. people are easily scaremongered and afraid of change however change can be good for everyone . It takes faith and determination to make it work The EU has nothing to do with: "poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess". That's our mess which we made. Should we blame others for your own problems? We send the EU a lot of money. Less than others relative to the size of our economy. We don't give it to them in exchange for nothing. We are a major force in a world economic superpower. We have over 90% of the votes in a 27 member group go our way. Does that make us a victim? We have free trade within one of the world's richest trading blocks on our doorstep as well as over 60 other countries including Japan and Canada. 4 of the G7. We also trade on EU agreements with almost every country in the world including the USA and China. Not WTO rules. Losing these will cost us far more than any money we "save". We have far greater influence in the world due to our prominent position in the EU than we will alone. We will lose that. We will have much worse place to live in the short term. That's 5-10 years. Yes we'll "survive" if that's your ambition. We will be worse off in the medium term (10-20 years). I don't have the time to lay out in detail why, but it's taken us two years to achieve nothing. We have 40 years of laws and organisations to dismantle and rebuild before we get to square one. After that? Who knows? I see and hear nothing that will make anyone's life better. Have you, other than saying that you believe in it? I'm not afraid. I'm reasonably insulated from this process financially. I don't want to see my country diminished. I don't think that you do either but I think that you are blaming the wrong people for our problems. How long will you be prepared to wait for:"poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess" before you are angry again? We don't have a prominent position in the EU, and our influence in the world is diminished because of our membership of the EU, not enhanced as you suggest. Our voice is drowned out as a member of the EU amongst 27 other member states, so much so that it becomes nothing more than a whisper. Our voice can be much better heard out on the world stage on our own, where it's not drowned out or diminished by other competing members in a shitty trade block. You say you don't have time to lay out in detail why you think we'll be worse off in the short to medium term but the truth of it is you can't lay it out because you don't know. Remain propoganda and Project fear scaremongering is proven to be wrong time and time again, that's why you can't say because if you do it will be debunked as it has been over the last 2 and half years since the country voted Leave and none of Project Fears forecasts and predictions have materialised or happened. " Any evidence to back this up or is it your usual have faith...then someone else will sort it out scenario? | |||
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"In a perfect world, or perfect EU (which we were quite close to in the days of the EEC) I would have been a remainer. However the EU just got far too big for its boots and its constant drive towards a full United States of Europe (ever closer union was/is the mantra) was just a step too far. On top of that it expanded eastwards far too quickly bringing in basket case former Soviet block countries that were just not ready to join. Then there was (still is) the Greek debacle which, for nothing more than political reasons, forced a wonderful country into poverty. The EU needs root and branch reform, not just a bit of tinkering around the edges, but radical change. Sadly the arrogant unelected (yes no matter how remainers like to gloss over it they are unelected) commission and its hangers on will not budge an inch. So, albeit slightly reluctantly, I am a brexiter, oh! and given half a chance the Mrs would have the Germans out as well. Well said Europe is in a bloody mess, our own country is suffering with poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess, the collosal amount of money paid to Europe would be better spent securing our own countries, and putting the money into our infrastructure, other countries in the world trade. Perfectly well around the world we will survive and prosper with the right conditions we put more into Europe than we get out of it it's time to make it better and leave.. people are easily scaremongered and afraid of change however change can be good for everyone . It takes faith and determination to make it work The EU has nothing to do with: "poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess". That's our mess which we made. Should we blame others for your own problems? We send the EU a lot of money. Less than others relative to the size of our economy. We don't give it to them in exchange for nothing. We are a major force in a world economic superpower. We have over 90% of the votes in a 27 member group go our way. Does that make us a victim? We have free trade within one of the world's richest trading blocks on our doorstep as well as over 60 other countries including Japan and Canada. 4 of the G7. We also trade on EU agreements with almost every country in the world including the USA and China. Not WTO rules. Losing these will cost us far more than any money we "save". We have far greater influence in the world due to our prominent position in the EU than we will alone. We will lose that. We will have much worse place to live in the short term. That's 5-10 years. Yes we'll "survive" if that's your ambition. We will be worse off in the medium term (10-20 years). I don't have the time to lay out in detail why, but it's taken us two years to achieve nothing. We have 40 years of laws and organisations to dismantle and rebuild before we get to square one. After that? Who knows? I see and hear nothing that will make anyone's life better. Have you, other than saying that you believe in it? I'm not afraid. I'm reasonably insulated from this process financially. I don't want to see my country diminished. I don't think that you do either but I think that you are blaming the wrong people for our problems. How long will you be prepared to wait for:"poverty rising, constant need for food banks, nhs in a mess, education in a mess" before you are angry again? We don't have a prominent position in the EU, and our influence in the world is diminished because of our membership of the EU, not enhanced as you suggest. Our voice is drowned out as a member of the EU amongst 27 other member states, so much so that it becomes nothing more than a whisper. Our voice can be much better heard out on the world stage on our own, where it's not drowned out or diminished by other competing members in a shitty trade block. You say you don't have time to lay out in detail why you think we'll be worse off in the short to medium term but the truth of it is you can't lay it out because you don't know. Remain propoganda and Project fear scaremongering is proven to be wrong time and time again, that's why you can't say because if you do it will be debunked as it has been over the last 2 and half years since the country voted Leave and none of Project Fears forecasts and predictions have materialised or happened. " Quite difficult to lay out in one post what I have patiently explained to you time and again. You are saying that we are a weak victim in an EU of 27 states and gain no influence in the world by being one of the largest economies in the worlds biggest trading block. However, when we leave we will be stronger and more influential? Please explain your logic. It has become progressively clearer post after post that the only sources that you have with respect to Brexit are: The Daily Express, The Sun and The Daily Mail. Time and time again you quote them verbatim and when asked a question not in your script you run away. We have fallen from the fastest growing economy in the G7 to the slowest since 2016. The employment growth rate was rising before the referendum but has since fallen. Wage growth was higher than inflation from 2014 to 2016 but real wages fell after the referendum until the last quarter when they barely crept above the inflation rate. The BoE spent over £3bn stabilising the economy after the referendum vote. Out of sheer luck the referendum coincided with a synchronized global economic boom. Are any of these things untrue? Show me your unicorns Centaur. Let's try this one again: If we trade on WTO rules and there is a dispute, will the UK Supreme Court have sovereignty? Will it even be involved? | |||
"Bring on a people's vote and stop Brexit. The People's Vote campaign who lied about having 700,000 supporters on its march last October. What a joke. The Greater London Authority and Scotland Yard exposed the lies and said only 250,000 people were on that march. What else have the People's Vote lied about? " Taken from the Daily Express because you don't want to pay for the Telegraph?
The Express quotes the Telegraph saying:
"Following a request under the Freedom of Information Act, Scotland Yard told The Sunday Telegraph: "The Greater London Authority (GLA) has included an estimated attendance figure of 250,000 in a debrief document.
"Please note this is not a Metropolitan Police Service estimate as we have not recorded an estimated attendance figure for the march."
So the paper quotes another paper that does not state what the FOI request was for. The Metropolitan Police has no figure.
The Telegraph then implies that the GLA figure is definitive but gives no context just that it "recorded an estimated attendance figure of 250,000".
Was that a prediction before the event? Was it at the start as people were gathering? Was it during the event? Was it at the speeches?
Do you know?
Has the text of the FOI or the debrief document?
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"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld ." I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess." I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU..." I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. " you are a real democrat. If only other people who voted remain could accept defeat with good grace and dignity in the way you have demonstrated, the country would be a much better place. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. " It's not an argument, it's discussing a topic but I understand you're not on here for the politics but for the fun. It wasn't my intention to single you out. The 'unfair EU treatment' is just a point made repeatedly by many but has no substance at all.  | |||
"This is all very well, but if you want the full facts do what I did today. Pop in to WH Smiths and cast your eyes over the Penguin book of Brexit. I was still laughing when I was driving home. Back to work in that terrible EU place next week. Can't wait to show my continental chums the full facts of Brexit as fully explained in the said Penguin book. Is one of your continental chums Jean Claude Juncker? If so best to show him your Penguin book before noon, as he'll probably be too pissed to read it after lunchtime. " Wish he was, maybe get a pay rise if he was my boss. But then again, probably not. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. you are a real democrat. If only other people who voted remain could accept defeat with good grace and dignity in the way you have demonstrated, the country would be a much better place. "How would it be better ? This place would be quieter. Although I’d imagine there’d still be threads on whether the decision was right. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. you are a real democrat. If only other people who voted remain could accept defeat with good grace and dignity in the way you have demonstrated, the country would be a much better place. "Women in Switzerland gained the right to vote in federal elections after a referendum in February 1971. A previous referendum on women's suffrage was held on 1 February 1959 and was rejected by the majority (67%) of Switzerland's men. Perhaps they should have respected the first and only legitimate democratic decision and gone back to the kitchen like good little girls? | |||
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"Good idea wait 12 yrs for the next referendum like Switzerland lol" I know that you're being facetious, but 12 more years without the vote? Should they have just been quiet? Do you know think that they were? Were they disrepecting democracy by not accepting the result? | |||
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"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. you are a real democrat. If only other people who voted remain could accept defeat with good grace and dignity in the way you have demonstrated, the country would be a much better place.
Women in Switzerland gained the right to vote in federal elections after a referendum in February 1971.
A previous referendum on women's suffrage was held on 1 February 1959 and was rejected by the majority (67%) of Switzerland's men.
Perhaps they should have respected the first and only legitimate democratic decision and gone back to the kitchen like good little girls?"Was the first referendum result in 1959 fully implemented before the next vote was allowed in 1971? Yes or no? Has the result of the EU referendum in 2016 been fully implemented yet? Yes or no? | |||
"Good idea wait 12 yrs for the next referendum like Switzerland lol I know that you're being facetious, but 12 more years without the vote? Should they have just been quiet? Do you know think that they were? Were they disrepecting democracy by not accepting the result?" The result of the first referendum in Switzerland was fully implemented before another one was allowed 12 years later. | |||
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"Difference being that our referendum are advisory and not mandatory. & of course maintaining the status quo was easy to enable! "The first EU/common market referendum in the UK in the 1970's was not to maintain the status quo. The country wasn't in the EU/common market, but voted to join. That was a change of the status quo, but was fully implemented before another vote was allowed in 2016. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. you are a real democrat. If only other people who voted remain could accept defeat with good grace and dignity in the way you have demonstrated, the country would be a much better place.
Women in Switzerland gained the right to vote in federal elections after a referendum in February 1971.
A previous referendum on women's suffrage was held on 1 February 1959 and was rejected by the majority (67%) of Switzerland's men.
Perhaps they should have respected the first and only legitimate democratic decision and gone back to the kitchen like good little girls?
Was the first referendum result in 1959 fully implemented before the next vote was allowed in 1971? Yes or no?
Has the result of the EU referendum in 2016 been fully implemented yet? Yes or no? "What a simple-minded question. There was nothing to implement. So actually it was not implemented at all
Having answered your question directly, how about having the courtesy to do the same?
Should women have accepted the first referendum result and not made a fuss? Do you think that they kept quiet about it? Were they anti-democratic? Was democracy well served by this result?
A decision does not have to be implemented to change your mind. You have heard of the Consumer Rights Act?
Ever returned faulty goods or goods that do not fit their description? | |||
"Difference being that our referendum are advisory and not mandatory. & of course maintaining the status quo was easy to enable!
The first EU/common market referendum in the UK in the 1970's was not to maintain the status quo. The country wasn't in the EU/common market, but voted to join. That was a change of the status quo, but was fully implemented before another vote was allowed in 2016. "The difference is that the outcome was unambiguous. Joining the EU under its existing rules. We are leaving with no definition of what that means. Please post a link to where the Leave campaign specified leaving the EU with no deal under WTO rules was defined as a likely option or an option at all. You might be a while | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld . I am the opposite, I voted remain but as this person above has said the result was to leave. I lost and over the past 2 years I am kind of shifting to agree with the leave voters as I hate the way the EU has treated us. Like many others I just wish this was over and done with, I do not want another referendum I just want us out and this cleared up so we can get on with our lives. If there was another referendum I think I would definitely change my vote and vote for Leave this time. such a horrible mess. I've seen this 'how (bad) the EU treated us' so many times, I'd love to know when and how? And remember it's the UK who wants to leave the EU... I am not looking for an argument with you, I was just asked how I feel and I have explained. I am sick of leavers and remainers squabbling and ageing, we had our referendum, I was on the side that lost and I feel we should all now get together and respect the outcome. I am sorry I opened this post in the beginning. I will stick to the swinging side of fab from now on, I want to make friends not arguments. you are a real democrat. If only other people who voted remain could accept defeat with good grace and dignity in the way you have demonstrated, the country would be a much better place.
Women in Switzerland gained the right to vote in federal elections after a referendum in February 1971.
A previous referendum on women's suffrage was held on 1 February 1959 and was rejected by the majority (67%) of Switzerland's men.
Perhaps they should have respected the first and only legitimate democratic decision and gone back to the kitchen like good little girls?
Was the first referendum result in 1959 fully implemented before the next vote was allowed in 1971? Yes or no?
Has the result of the EU referendum in 2016 been fully implemented yet? Yes or no?
What a simple-minded question.
There was nothing to implement. So actually it was not implemented at all
Having answered your question directly, how about having the courtesy to do the same?
Should women have accepted the first referendum result and not made a fuss? Do you think that they kept quiet about it? Were they anti-democratic? Was democracy well served by this result?
A decision does not have to be implemented to change your mind. You have heard of the Consumer Rights Act?
Ever returned faulty goods or goods that do not fit their description? "As foxychick said earlier, happy for you to have another vote on it in 12 years time, if you're using Switzerland as an example I'll use the time frame of what happened in Switzerland as an example. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now. "Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing | |||
"Difference being that our referendum are advisory and not mandatory. & of course maintaining the status quo was easy to enable!
The first EU/common market referendum in the UK in the 1970's was not to maintain the status quo. The country wasn't in the EU/common market, but voted to join. That was a change of the status quo, but was fully implemented before another vote was allowed in 2016.
The difference is that the outcome was unambiguous. Joining the EU under its existing rules.
We are leaving with no definition of what that means.
Please post a link to where the Leave campaign specified leaving the EU with no deal under WTO rules was defined as a likely option or an option at all.
You might be a while "The Leave campaign specified leaving the EU, leaving the single market to end free movement of people, and leaving the customs union so we can do our own trade deals. A no deal brexit delivers on all of those specifications. Glad to be of help. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing "It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving. | |||
"Difference being that our referendum are advisory and not mandatory. & of course maintaining the status quo was easy to enable!
The first EU/common market referendum in the UK in the 1970's was not to maintain the status quo. The country wasn't in the EU/common market, but voted to join. That was a change of the status quo, but was fully implemented before another vote was allowed in 2016.
The difference is that the outcome was unambiguous. Joining the EU under its existing rules.
We are leaving with no definition of what that means.
Please post a link to where the Leave campaign specified leaving the EU with no deal under WTO rules was defined as a likely option or an option at all.
You might be a while
The Leave campaign specified leaving the EU, leaving the single market to end free movement of people, and leaving the customs union so we can do our own trade deals. A no deal brexit delivers on all of those specifications. Glad to be of help. "What do you mean by specified ? They couldn’t make promises, and this is above and beyond the question on the ballot sheet. No wonder people thinks Mays deal isn’t the brexit they voted for if the leave campaign specified this. | |||
"Difference being that our referendum are advisory and not mandatory. & of course maintaining the status quo was easy to enable!
The first EU/common market referendum in the UK in the 1970's was not to maintain the status quo. The country wasn't in the EU/common market, but voted to join. That was a change of the status quo, but was fully implemented before another vote was allowed in 2016.
The difference is that the outcome was unambiguous. Joining the EU under its existing rules.
We are leaving with no definition of what that means.
Please post a link to where the Leave campaign specified leaving the EU with no deal under WTO rules was defined as a likely option or an option at all.
You might be a while
The Leave campaign specified leaving the EU, leaving the single market to end free movement of people, and leaving the customs union so we can do our own trade deals. A no deal brexit delivers on all of those specifications. Glad to be of help.
What do you mean by specified ? They couldn’t make promises, and this is above and beyond the question on the ballot sheet.
No wonder people thinks Mays deal isn’t the brexit they voted for if the leave campaign specified this. "Only problem is the leave campaigns were not Government backed so it don't mean one tepid turd what the leave campaigns promised at all, only what Cameron said, which may have been very similar anyway. Side note though, many if not all prominent leave campaigning MP's have stated in the past that the UK should retain strong links through being in the Single Market in an event that we ever left the EU. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving. "Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years. | |||
"Difference being that our referendum are advisory and not mandatory. & of course maintaining the status quo was easy to enable!
The first EU/common market referendum in the UK in the 1970's was not to maintain the status quo. The country wasn't in the EU/common market, but voted to join. That was a change of the status quo, but was fully implemented before another vote was allowed in 2016.
The difference is that the outcome was unambiguous. Joining the EU under its existing rules.
We are leaving with no definition of what that means.
Please post a link to where the Leave campaign specified leaving the EU with no deal under WTO rules was defined as a likely option or an option at all.
You might be a while
The Leave campaign specified leaving the EU, leaving the single market to end free movement of people, and leaving the customs union so we can do our own trade deals. A no deal brexit delivers on all of those specifications. Glad to be of help. "But it doesn’t - do we now have to have a formal border wall in Ireland? Given the “quality” of our negotiators with the EU, can you reall see us ending up with any beneficial trade deal? Brexit is a myth created by, and for, the right wing of the Tory party. Only those that already have a good life will see any benefit from leaving and that is solely because they will be screwing (no pun intended) the rest of us.., for a bigger share of a smaller pie | |||
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"Difference being that our referendum are advisory and not mandatory. & of course maintaining the status quo was easy to enable!
The first EU/common market referendum in the UK in the 1970's was not to maintain the status quo. The country wasn't in the EU/common market, but voted to join. That was a change of the status quo, but was fully implemented before another vote was allowed in 2016.
The difference is that the outcome was unambiguous. Joining the EU under its existing rules.
We are leaving with no definition of what that means.
Please post a link to where the Leave campaign specified leaving the EU with no deal under WTO rules was defined as a likely option or an option at all.
You might be a while
The Leave campaign specified leaving the EU, leaving the single market to end free movement of people, and leaving the customs union so we can do our own trade deals. A no deal brexit delivers on all of those specifications. Glad to be of help.
What do you mean by specified ? They couldn’t make promises, and this is above and beyond the question on the ballot sheet.
No wonder people thinks Mays deal isn’t the brexit they voted for if the leave campaign specified this. "It was EasyUk who said "specified" so I framed my answer in reply to the language he used. | |||
"can anyone tell me what more they know about trade since we had the referendum the pros and cons?" You buy shit for as little as possible You sell shit for as much as possible | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years. "What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016. | |||
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"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016. "You fancy reeling off all the Leave bullshit propaganda ?, you know, just for balance sake ? | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016. "You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long. The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute. Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016. And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term. Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity. Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. | |||
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"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. "Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted."That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink. You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. "Lol. I suggest you go and read the EU's own no deal planning, which rules out planes being grounded, food and medicine shortages, and ferry Port turmoil. Coupled with the uk's own no deal planning which has provided for continuity of food and medicine supply, and ferry Port contingency planning to allow continuation of free flowing traffic. The Project horror you and other remainers like to scaremonger about simply won't happen. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true.
Lol. I suggest you go and read the EU's own no deal planning, which rules out planes being grounded, food and medicine shortages, and ferry Port turmoil. Coupled with the uk's own no deal planning which has provided for continuity of food and medicine supply, and ferry Port contingency planning to allow continuation of free flowing traffic. The Project horror you and other remainers like to scaremonger about simply won't happen. "Just like the FTSE was going to the moon | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices. "Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices.
Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario. "Sure isn't great it have a supportive family to turn to in case of trouble | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices.
Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario.
Sure isn't great it have a supportive family to turn to in case of trouble "We'll be too busy getting on signing a new trade deal with USA to worry about what little Leo is upto in Brussels with his begging bowl. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true.
Lol. I suggest you go and read the EU's own no deal planning, which rules out planes being grounded, food and medicine shortages, and ferry Port turmoil. Coupled with the uk's own no deal planning which has provided for continuity of food and medicine supply, and ferry Port contingency planning to allow continuation of free flowing traffic. The Project horror you and other remainers like to scaremonger about simply won't happen. "I feel so much safer with Chris Grayling in charge - we can rely on a start up company with no ferries, crew, licence to operate or experience to get us out of this mess... | |||
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"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices.
Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario.
Sure isn't great it have a supportive family to turn to in case of trouble
We'll be too busy getting on signing a new trade deal with USA to worry about what little Leo is upto in Brussels with his begging bowl. "You should write for a tabloid
Best of luck dealing with Mr America First | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices.
Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario.
Sure isn't great it have a supportive family to turn to in case of trouble
We'll be too busy getting on signing a new trade deal with USA to worry about what little Leo is upto in Brussels with his begging bowl.
You should write for a tabloid
Best of luck dealing with Mr America First "Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU. | |||
"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices.
Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario.
Sure isn't great it have a supportive family to turn to in case of trouble
We'll be too busy getting on signing a new trade deal with USA to worry about what little Leo is upto in Brussels with his begging bowl.
You should write for a tabloid
Best of luck dealing with Mr America First
Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU. "Just like when you told us Mrs May will be an excellent negotiator
Can I ask a question?
What would it take for you to admit that Brexit was a bad idea?
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"The average Brexit supporter is hell bent on upholding democracy, to such an extent there is no depth to which the country may sink that would change there minds. They will also be the first to bitch when due to the economy being in trouble there taxes will rise...Oh i got my income tax info today...the pie chart on the back is so very invaluable in reminding me how little of our GDP we pay to the E U... "Frankly 1 penny is too much out of my tax to pay towards that pile of shit in Brussels. I resent paying a single penny towards it. As for tax being increased to pay for Brexit, didn't the vote on the finance bill the other day prevent the government from doing that. | |||
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"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices.
Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario.
Sure isn't great it have a supportive family to turn to in case of trouble
We'll be too busy getting on signing a new trade deal with USA to worry about what little Leo is upto in Brussels with his begging bowl.
You should write for a tabloid
Best of luck dealing with Mr America First
Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU.
Just like when you told us Mrs May will be an excellent negotiator
Can I ask a question?
What would it take for you to admit that Brexit was a bad idea?
How much economic strife and in what timeframe?"Nothing can be as bad as remaining in the EU and eventually being swallowed up in a federalist United States of Europe. The economic strife you talk of is a hypothetical. As as I said earlier most of remains doom and gloom predictions and forecasts have turned out to be false. | |||
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" What would it take for you to admit that Brexit was a bad idea? How much economic strife and in what timeframe? Nothing can be as bad as remaining in the EU and eventually being swallowed up in a federalist United States of Europe. The economic strife you talk of is a hypothetical. As as I said earlier most of remains doom and gloom predictions and forecasts have turned out to be false. " | |||
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" Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU. " I see you've swallowed the bullshit. Both Trump and Putin want to weaken the EU. It is a strategic objective common to both. Neither gives a shit about the UK. Other than to use the UK to weaken the EU. Why do you think they want to weaken the EU? Because they see at as a threat to their own geopolitical hegemony. Why is that? Because the collective strength of 28 countries gives them leverage that threatens their own interests. The idea that Trump is Little Britain's new best friend is, well, just nonsense. Good luck trying to negotiate with him as a stand-alone country. | |||
" Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU. I see you've swallowed the bullshit. Both Trump and Putin want to weaken the EU. It is a strategic objective common to both. Neither gives a shit about the UK. Other than to use the UK to weaken the EU. Why do you think they want to weaken the EU? Because they see at as a threat to their own geopolitical hegemony. Why is that? Because the collective strength of 28 countries gives them leverage that threatens their own interests. The idea that Trump is Little Britain's new best friend is, well, just nonsense. Good luck trying to negotiate with him as a stand-alone country. " The EU isnt a threat to any one they dont have an army remember and dont intend to have one
Economically its china,india and asia that are the threat to the usa | |||
" Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU. I see you've swallowed the bullshit. Both Trump and Putin want to weaken the EU. It is a strategic objective common to both. Neither gives a shit about the UK. Other than to use the UK to weaken the EU. Why do you think they want to weaken the EU? Because they see at as a threat to their own geopolitical hegemony. Why is that? Because the collective strength of 28 countries gives them leverage that threatens their own interests. The idea that Trump is Little Britain's new best friend is, well, just nonsense. Good luck trying to negotiate with him as a stand-alone country. The EU isnt a threat to any one they dont have an army remember and dont intend to have one
Economically its china,india and asia that are the threat to the usa " True, and if Trump really wants to undermine the EU, the best way for him to achieve that is to give the UK a great trade deal to entice others into leaving. | |||
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"The EU is a mass market of by world standards wealthy consumers. It is a trading pact that the USA would like to break up. Russia also has designs on the eastern countries of Europe,So Brexit is a golden chance for them to sow the seeds of discontent...Mr Farage and his followers are the "useful idiots" that keep Putin smiling "Remind me again what the eu tried to do in the ukraine, right on his door step, putin is a nut job IMO but what the hell did the eu think he would do when the eu tried to stir the ukraine against him. Its the eu that is empire building, but they are doing it by bribing the poor countries into joining instead of by force like the last few times in was tried | |||
" Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU. I see you've swallowed the bullshit. Both Trump and Putin want to weaken the EU. It is a strategic objective common to both. Neither gives a shit about the UK. Other than to use the UK to weaken the EU. Why do you think they want to weaken the EU? Because they see at as a threat to their own geopolitical hegemony. Why is that? Because the collective strength of 28 countries gives them leverage that threatens their own interests. The idea that Trump is Little Britain's new best friend is, well, just nonsense. Good luck trying to negotiate with him as a stand-alone country. The EU isnt a threat to any one they dont have an army remember and dont intend to have one
Economically its china,india and asia that are the threat to the usa
True, and if Trump really wants to undermine the EU, the best way for him to achieve that is to give the UK a great trade deal to entice others into leaving. "So do you think the UK will still be in the G7 if we crash out? | |||
"Read his interview with Bloomberg in August, in which he states the EU is "almost as bad as China, only smaller" and uses the Euro currency to weaken the US. The same interview in which he trashes the WTO. In Trump's world, the allies of the US are his enemies, and the enemies of the US are his allies. He likes to smash things up. The EU is on that list." We won't be in the EU from March 29th onwards. | |||
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"OUT , it has been voted upon and that is democracy , and democracy must be upheld .
This. I voted Leave and still want to leave. The politicians gave this to the public to decide and the pulic voted to Leave. Then we had a general election and the 2 main parties, Labour and Conservative both put it in their manifestos they would implement the result of the referendum and Leave. The tories and Labour got around 85% share of the combined vote. The politicians just need to get on with it now.
Like a toddler with the sweets at the supermarket checkout. I want I want I want
Respect democracy and have a second vote to factor in the massively changed premise of the whole thing
It's sore loser remainers who are behaving like toddlers who can't get what they want (to remain). Respecting democracy means fully implementing the result of the referendum in 2016. The country voted leave and we're now in the process of leaving.
Only an idiot would continue unphased by the events of the past two years.
What events? The remain campaign said there would be a deep and immediate recession following a vote to leave....It never happened. The remain campaign said house prices would crash following a leave vote, it never happened. The remain campaign said around 500,000 jobs would be lost following a leave vote, again it never happened and more jobs have been added to the UK economy than lost since 2016.
You've been dining out on these "facts" for far too long.
The pound has still slipped, the ftse and GDP have nose dived and businesses are leaving by the minute.
Add failed negotiations and a lot of harsh reality vs. the wishful thinking of 2016.
And you haven't even crashed out yet with the many headaches that will bring... short, medium and long term.
Just the work alone to put things back to semi normality will be a massive drain on productivity.
Stopped flights, food and medicines shortages, ferry port turmoil. Project horror coming true. Project fear! and i would be very worried if i lived in Dublin because southern ireland is going to suffer terribly if the EU cant get a trade deal sorted.
That's your only answer to anything I say. Part of me welcomes a hard Brexit for the comedic aspect alone. I'd love to see some of you taste your own medicine but the rest of me pities the innocent victims on the ship you're trying to sink.
You'll be coming to us, cap in hand soon enough. We've a rush in our passport offices.
Correction, it's been widely reported in the press the only person going cap in hand to anywhere will be Leo Varadker going cap in hand to Brussels begging for a hand out in a no deal scenario.
Sure isn't great it have a supportive family to turn to in case of trouble
We'll be too busy getting on signing a new trade deal with USA to worry about what little Leo is upto in Brussels with his begging bowl.
You should write for a tabloid
Best of luck dealing with Mr America First
Mr America first who also happens to be half British, and is a self confessed Anglophile and is a supporter of Brexit. The same Mr America first who also happens to have an intense dislike of the EU.
Just like when you told us Mrs May will be an excellent negotiator
Can I ask a question?
What would it take for you to admit that Brexit was a bad idea?
How much economic strife and in what timeframe?"What strife? we haven't even left yet.No trade deal has been agreed with anyone all you are doing is speculating.I admit the whole blot of them in parliament are a shower of shit all out for their own agenda instead of the will of the people.It could go tits up but it could be great who knows until deals start getting done? | |||
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"Oh Centaur i do hope your happy and will smile as people lose there jobs. You are certainly no patriot, your arrogant ramblings are always the giveaway of the insecure... "You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA. | |||
" You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA. " Deluded. Removing the UK from the EU removes the brake from ever closer union. As part of the EU, the UK can take on the US from a position of strength. Outside the EU, the UK is a prime target to be gobbled up and spat out by Trump's America. It may come as a huge disappointment to you, but no-one outside the UK really cares what is happening to the UK. | |||
"Oh Centaur i do hope your happy and will smile as people lose there jobs. You are certainly no patriot, your arrogant ramblings are always the giveaway of the insecure...
You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA. "That may be the baseless dream in your head but there's no evidence that that is remotely possible. Plus the economic impact of an EU collapse would have global negative effects! Why don't you join the 21st globalist century. The era of the petty little nation state will gradually fade away. Big business will be the new major powers in more and more powerful trading blocks. There you go. There's no evidence for any of that either but if your going to just make shit up so will i! | |||
"Oh Centaur i do hope your happy and will smile as people lose there jobs. You are certainly no patriot, your arrogant ramblings are always the giveaway of the insecure...
You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA. "You've been trotting out the same old same old for years, funny enough they are not forthcoming still.. | |||
" You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA. Deluded. Removing the UK from the EU removes the brake from ever closer union. As part of the EU, the UK can take on the US from a position of strength. Outside the EU, the UK is a prime target to be gobbled up and spat out by Trump's America. It may come as a huge disappointment to you, but no-one outside the UK really cares what is happening to the UK. " You're the deluded one. As you pointed out earlier in the thread Trump wants to undermine and weaken the EU. Do you think he would best achieve that by giving the UK a shit trade Deal or a great trade deal to entice others to leave? Think about it. | |||
" You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA. Deluded. Removing the UK from the EU removes the brake from ever closer union. As part of the EU, the UK can take on the US from a position of strength. Outside the EU, the UK is a prime target to be gobbled up and spat out by Trump's America. It may come as a huge disappointment to you, but no-one outside the UK really cares what is happening to the UK. " Thats fine just as we dont care what other countries do, thats the whole point about individual countries they can do what they want, as long as they are peaceful of course. Do you really think that the majority of europeans want ever closer union? The polls and rise of anti eu parties suggest the opposite, | |||
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"Oh Centaur i do hope your happy and will smile as people lose there jobs. You are certainly no patriot, your arrogant ramblings are always the giveaway of the insecure...
You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA.
You've been trotting out the same old same old for years, funny enough they are not forthcoming still.. "No actually. When I said on here years ago when politics was discussed in the lounge, (before the politics forum was formed) that anti EU parties would gain more strength and bigger vote shares in Europe, I was laughed at. Same as when I initially said Trump would win the Presidency I was laughed at. Look at what has been happening over the last few years and it's self evident. | |||
"Oh Centaur i do hope your happy and will smile as people lose there jobs. You are certainly no patriot, your arrogant ramblings are always the giveaway of the insecure...
You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA.
You've been trotting out the same old same old for years, funny enough they are not forthcoming still..
No actually. When I said on here years ago when politics was discussed in the lounge, (before the politics forum was formed) that anti EU parties would gain more strength and bigger vote shares in Europe, I was laughed at. Same as when I initially said Trump would win the Presidency I was laughed at. Look at what has been happening over the last few years and it's self evident. "You and others were saying similar yes, what you and others were saying was that far right parties would be so successful that they would be in coalition or in power.. The EU and even the least objective person may have acknowledged has stood as one in the negotiations with us, despite attempts by May and others to divide.. And it has yet to fail, when will that be I wonder.. | |||
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"Oh Centaur i do hope your happy and will smile as people lose there jobs. You are certainly no patriot, your arrogant ramblings are always the giveaway of the insecure...
You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA.
You've been trotting out the same old same old for years, funny enough they are not forthcoming still..
No actually. When I said on here years ago when politics was discussed in the lounge, (before the politics forum was formed) that anti EU parties would gain more strength and bigger vote shares in Europe, I was laughed at. Same as when I initially said Trump would win the Presidency I was laughed at. Look at what has been happening over the last few years and it's self evident.
You and others were saying similar yes, what you and others were saying was that far right parties would be so successful that they would be in coalition or in power..
The EU and even the least objective person may have acknowledged has stood as one in the negotiations with us, despite attempts by May and others to divide..
And it has yet to fail, when will that be I wonder.. "Not exactly. Anti EU parties have got into power in coalition in Italy. The Populusts gained bigger vote shares in other countries. The EU may be trying to put on a united front but look closer behind the scenes there is a clear split. One group of countries (France, Germany, etc) want to punish the uk for having the audacity to leave, another group of countries (Hungary, Poland, etc) as revealed by Hungary leader Victor Orban want to have a good mutually beneficial brexit deal with the UK. If you watch proceedings in the European Parliament there is also a clear split between what pro EU MEP's want and what Anti EU MEP's want from Brexit and I'm not just talking about ukip, I'm talking about MEP's all over the European continent. | |||
"And whilst all empires do end, wanting your neighbours house to burn down because you don't like his car choice or that they have more or newer cars than yourself is madness when your a semi and the adjoin you.. Cutting ones nose off to spite your face is not a good idea.. " We're not adjoined in a semi, there is a big moat between us called the English channel. | |||
"And whilst all empires do end, wanting your neighbours house to burn down because you don't like his car choice or that they have more or newer cars than yourself is madness when your a semi and the adjoin you.. Cutting ones nose off to spite your face is not a good idea.. We're not adjoined in a semi, there is a big moat between us called the English channel. "Oh dear. Oh dearie me. (Shakes head) | |||
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"Oh Centaur i do hope your happy and will smile as people lose there jobs. You are certainly no patriot, your arrogant ramblings are always the giveaway of the insecure...
You still don't get it do you. The EU is going to fail and disintegrate anyway, the migration crisis and the Eurozone debt crisis and the rise of Populist parties all over Europe will see to that (Brexit is small fry by comparison). The UK (or at least Brexiteers) are just smart enough to be the first ones to realise what is going on and the first ones to get out, and make the most of advantages like being the first ones to leave to strike trade deals with the likes of the USA.
You've been trotting out the same old same old for years, funny enough they are not forthcoming still..
No actually. When I said on here years ago when politics was discussed in the lounge, (before the politics forum was formed) that anti EU parties would gain more strength and bigger vote shares in Europe, I was laughed at. Same as when I initially said Trump would win the Presidency I was laughed at. Look at what has been happening over the last few years and it's self evident.
You and others were saying similar yes, what you and others were saying was that far right parties would be so successful that they would be in coalition or in power..
The EU and even the least objective person may have acknowledged has stood as one in the negotiations with us, despite attempts by May and others to divide..
And it has yet to fail, when will that be I wonder..
Not exactly. Anti EU parties have got into power in coalition in Italy. The Populusts gained bigger vote shares in other countries.
The EU may be trying to put on a united front but look closer behind the scenes there is a clear split. One group of countries (France, Germany, etc) want to punish the uk for having the audacity to leave, another group of countries (Hungary, Poland, etc) as revealed by Hungary leader Victor Orban want to have a good mutually beneficial brexit deal with the UK. If you watch proceedings in the European Parliament there is also a clear split between what pro EU MEP's want and what Anti EU MEP's want from Brexit and I'm not just talking about ukip, I'm talking about MEP's all over the European continent. "quoting Orban.. yeah that's the level and type of influence eh.. | |||
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"It's the young ones I feel sorry for. Their prospects were already dented by the 2008 crash. Now they see the UK turning its back on a $20 trillion economy and switching to a $3 trillion economy surrounded by barriers. If that's not enough of a setback, there's even some who actively want to cause the biggest economic crash any of us have ever seen by setting fire to the rest of Europe. It is complete madness. " I loved watching the Young One’s, strangely this situation reminds me a lot of where we are going - we need SPG to help us out | |||
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"It's the young ones I feel sorry for. Their prospects were already dented by the 2008 crash. Now they see the UK turning its back on a $20 trillion economy and switching to a $3 trillion economy surrounded by barriers. If that's not enough of a setback, there's even some who actively want to cause the biggest economic crash any of us have ever seen by setting fire to the rest of Europe. It is complete madness. " We don't have to set fire to Europe, the embers were burning there long before the Brexit vote happened. | |||
"It's the young ones I feel sorry for. Their prospects were already dented by the 2008 crash. Now they see the UK turning its back on a $20 trillion economy and switching to a $3 trillion economy surrounded by barriers. If that's not enough of a setback, there's even some who actively want to cause the biggest economic crash any of us have ever seen by setting fire to the rest of Europe. It is complete madness. We don't have to set fire to Europe, the embers were burning there long before the Brexit vote happened. " Or in reality, the vast majority of people would be quite happy for this to stop. Pretending there is a horde of BNP loons ready to defend Brexit is just laughable. Britain is better from being n the EU. | |||
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"It's the young ones I feel sorry for. Their prospects were already dented by the 2008 crash. Now they see the UK turning its back on a $20 trillion economy and switching to a $3 trillion economy surrounded by barriers. If that's not enough of a setback, there's even some who actively want to cause the biggest economic crash any of us have ever seen by setting fire to the rest of Europe. It is complete madness. We don't have to set fire to Europe, the embers were burning there long before the Brexit vote happened. " How long before you predict it will crash and burn then? | |||
"FTA's generally make your products cheaper to buy & sell No FTA's generally make your products more expensive The more FTA's you have the better off your economy & population would generally be. I really don't think we needed BREXIT for people to grasp this simple concept though." It’s not that simple though... our labour and other costs are much higher than in many other countries. Remove all tariffs and our manufactures can’t compete with cheaper imports. Yes those still in employment will be able to buy cheaper goods short term but manufacturing collapses, massive unemployment, the pound crashes. Tariffs protect jobs. | |||
" It’s not that simple though... our labour and other costs are much higher than in many other countries. Remove all tariffs and our manufactures can’t compete with cheaper imports. Yes those still in employment will be able to buy cheaper goods short term but manufacturing collapses, massive unemployment, the pound crashes. Tariffs protect jobs." The goods won't be cheaper, though. Quite the opposite. Britain imports more than it exports. And a lot of exports depend on raw materials for imports. When the £ goes down, all those imports become more expensive. An awful lot of people will feel their budgets getting squeezed hard. | |||
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