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By *sianManc OP Man
over a year ago
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Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
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I think its only fair that once the deal is reached that British people get to vote on it. Accept the deal, leave with no deal or stay in the union. Brexiters will have no time for that though because they know the public would vote to remain once people see the details. |
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I think there is another voice in this too.
If we get another vote at the end of 2 years of exit negotiations surly the other citizens of the EU should also get a vote because maybe after 40 years of this sort of shit from us they are so fed up they no longer want us!
After all it is not all about us.
Just saying... |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"I think there is another voice in this too.
If we get another vote at the end of 2 years of exit negotiations surly the other citizens of the EU should also get a vote because maybe after 40 years of this sort of shit from us they are so fed up they no longer want us!
After all it is not all about us.
Just saying..."
You could probably say something very similar about another Scottish independence referendum. Surely the whole of the UK should be allowed to vote on it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So the EU just have to make things so bad that it will force a vote to stay then  straws clutching at spring to mind.
I for one have had it with the whole things and will just be looking out for number one whichever way it all goes. |
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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So the EU just have to make things so bad that it will force a vote to stay then straws clutching at spring to mind.
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Exactly. They could simply offer a trade deal of 200% import charges on everything and laugh in the knowledge that nobody could ever leave.... Or maybe people could keep clamouring for a revote because it didn't go the way they wanted. |
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now.... "
Once again it's always about the so called lies the Leave campaign told. What about the lies told by Remain, and the fact that people voted Remain based on lies. Just because it didn't go the Remainers way they now love to gloss over all of their lies. |
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"So the EU just have to make things so bad that it will force a vote to stay then straws clutching at spring to mind.
Exactly. They could simply offer a trade deal of 200% import charges on everything and laugh in the knowledge that nobody could ever leave.... Or maybe people could keep clamouring for a revote because it didn't go the way they wanted. "
That's why Corbyn and Labour's position on brexit is a joke. Corbyn has basically told the EU he will accept any deal which just means they will go all out to offer the worst deal possible if Labour win the general election. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now.... "
If corbyn forms a rainbow coalition then theyll be a 2nd referendum or a vote in parliament on the final decision.If may wins youll get fuck all.So if you voted remain theres only one choice. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"So the EU just have to make things so bad that it will force a vote to stay then straws clutching at spring to mind.
Exactly. They could simply offer a trade deal of 200% import charges on everything and laugh in the knowledge that nobody could ever leave.... Or maybe people could keep clamouring for a revote because it didn't go the way they wanted.
That's why Corbyn and Labour's position on brexit is a joke. Corbyn has basically told the EU he will accept any deal which just means they will go all out to offer the worst deal possible if Labour win the general election. "
Yes of course they will. Just like right now they are promising May a free rainbow farting unicorn for every British citizen.
-Matt |
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now.... If corbyn forms a rainbow coalition then theyll be a 2nd referendum or a vote in parliament on the final decision.If may wins youll get fuck all.So if you voted remain theres only one choice."
You call it a rainbow coalition, I think a coalition of chaos is more appropriate which was clearly on display during the leaders debate on television last Wednesday. |
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now.... If corbyn forms a rainbow coalition then theyll be a 2nd referendum or a vote in parliament on the final decision.If may wins youll get fuck all.So if you voted remain theres only one choice.
You call it a rainbow coalition, I think a coalition of chaos is more appropriate which was clearly on display during the leaders debate on television last Wednesday. "
Only Boris Johnson calls it coalition of chaos... Oh wait: You Are Boris Johnson!!! I always wanted to ask what drugs are you normally on? Who's your hairdresser? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now.... If corbyn forms a rainbow coalition then theyll be a 2nd referendum or a vote in parliament on the final decision.If may wins youll get fuck all.So if you voted remain theres only one choice.
You call it a rainbow coalition, I think a coalition of chaos is more appropriate which was clearly on display during the leaders debate on television last Wednesday. "
A beautiful rainbow of many views because we are all in it togeather.Well atleast those that turned up for the debate. Rather than the one myopic view offered by may. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now.... "
...ffs..where was you when we were threatened with project fear. |
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"When ppl say a lot of leavers AV changed there minds it's all bs prob just as many remainers think we shud just get on with it and leave "
They do most polling shows around 65% just want to get on with Brexit now. |
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Living on the Continent and as an outsider looking in, I've discussed Brexit with many different nationanaliities
There are those Europeans who are genuinly worried about the impact losing a major contributor will have
There are some who would like the UK to crash and burn
Those who are a little worried of the UK's relationship with the USA
Those who genuinly wish the UK well
There are those, probably the majority who are indifferent
I come in contact with Brit leavers - who mostly want to get on with it - I can't say I've met any leavers who have changed his/her mind
There are Brit remainers who have accepted the result and remainers who clearly haven't
Strangely the group I've wittnessed getting the most irate and angry about the result are people from Southern Ireland
As much as I try to understand things, their level of anger seems disproportionate, considering they are not leaving the EU themselves
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"I think there is another voice in this too.
If we get another vote at the end of 2 years of exit negotiations surly the other citizens of the EU should also get a vote because maybe after 40 years of this sort of shit from us they are so fed up they no longer want us!
After all it is not all about us.
Just saying...
You could probably say something very similar about another Scottish independence referendum. Surely the whole of the UK should be allowed to vote on it?"
I thought Mrs May made it clear she as the British supremo would not allow the Scots have another referendum until she had taken the UK (including Scotland regardless of Scots wishes) fully out of the EU. |
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"Living on the Continent and as an outsider looking in, I've discussed Brexit with many different nationanaliities
There are those Europeans who are genuinly worried about the impact losing a major contributor will have
There are some who would like the UK to crash and burn
Those who are a little worried of the UK's relationship with the USA
Those who genuinly wish the UK well
There are those, probably the majority who are indifferent
I come in contact with Brit leavers - who mostly want to get on with it - I can't say I've met any leavers who have changed his/her mind
There are Brit remainers who have accepted the result and remainers who clearly haven't
Strangely the group I've wittnessed getting the most irate and angry about the result are people from Southern Ireland
As much as I try to understand things, their level of anger seems disproportionate, considering they are not leaving the EU themselves
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Really? Apart from just before and after the vote Ive not heard anyone here mention Brexit much at all, let alone have any anger about it. Between Trump, Syria and our own leadership issues Brexit never seems to be on the radar of most people in the Republic. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Living on the Continent and as an outsider looking in, I've discussed Brexit with many different nationanaliities
There are those Europeans who are genuinly worried about the impact losing a major contributor will have
There are some who would like the UK to crash and burn
Those who are a little worried of the UK's relationship with the USA
Those who genuinly wish the UK well
There are those, probably the majority who are indifferent
I come in contact with Brit leavers - who mostly want to get on with it - I can't say I've met any leavers who have changed his/her mind
There are Brit remainers who have accepted the result and remainers who clearly haven't
Strangely the group I've wittnessed getting the most irate and angry about the result are people from Southern Ireland
As much as I try to understand things, their level of anger seems disproportionate, considering they are not leaving the EU themselves
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By 'Southern Ireland' I presume you mean the Republic of Ireland as a whole and not just the people of Cork?
I guess they have two reasons to be angry about it 1) they are about to end up with harder trade with their nearest neighbour and 2) the whole Northern Ireland peace process thing.
Conversely I know a few people (and on here) from Ireland that see it as an opportunity for Ireland to pick up some extra business whilst the UK is busy doing itself harm. And fair play to them, to be honest.
-Matt |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"I think there is another voice in this too.
If we get another vote at the end of 2 years of exit negotiations surly the other citizens of the EU should also get a vote because maybe after 40 years of this sort of shit from us they are so fed up they no longer want us!
After all it is not all about us.
Just saying...
You could probably say something very similar about another Scottish independence referendum. Surely the whole of the UK should be allowed to vote on it?
I thought Mrs May made it clear she as the British supremo would not allow the Scots have another referendum until she had taken the UK (including Scotland regardless of Scots wishes) fully out of the EU."
And then surely the whole of the UK should be allowed to vote on it, by your logic. |
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"And then surely the whole of the UK should be allowed to vote on it, by your logic."
Funny how people like you can twist things...
Firstly, my first comment was regarding the UK having a second referendum to confirm we want to leave AFTER voting to leave and negotiating our divorce deal with the EU. My reasoning being having gone through the divorce procedure that we have initiated unilaterally I think that it is not unreasonable for our spouse to have a veto if we then say 'having seen the divorce settlement we don't want a divorce any more'. That is not the same as saying that Scotland should not have the right to unilaterally decide if they want a divorce from the UK. Especially when we take into account that 3 years ago when they were thinking of leaving us to form a closer relationship with our soon to be ex partner the EU we told Scotland that if they left us they left the EU!
Now if Scotland votes to leave the UK goes through the divorce proceedings and then changes its mind I would definitely demand the right to have a say and I would vote to refuse to let them stay. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes to a vote on what is actually the reality of the offer, not the heap of Conservative shit peddled in 2016"
The Conservatives campaigned to remain ffs. Yep, that was a heap of shit |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They also spent 9 million of tax payers money on a letter for every household in the uk telling us of the sky falling in if we voted leave "
who u votein 4 fox c.?
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now....
Once again it's always about the so called lies the Leave campaign told. What about the lies told by Remain, and the fact that people voted Remain based on lies. Just because it didn't go the Remainers way they now love to gloss over all of their lies. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And then surely the whole of the UK should be allowed to vote on it, by your logic.
Funny how people like you can twist things...
Firstly, my first comment was regarding the UK having a second referendum to confirm we want to leave AFTER voting to leave and negotiating our divorce deal with the EU. My reasoning being having gone through the divorce procedure that we have initiated unilaterally I think that it is not unreasonable for our spouse to have a veto if we then say 'having seen the divorce settlement we don't want a divorce any more'. That is not the same as saying that Scotland should not have the right to unilaterally decide if they want a divorce from the UK. Especially when we take into account that 3 years ago when they were thinking of leaving us to form a closer relationship with our soon to be ex partner the EU we told Scotland that if they left us they left the EU!
Now if Scotland votes to leave the UK goes through the divorce proceedings and then changes its mind I would definitely demand the right to have a say and I would vote to refuse to let them stay."
All this talk of divorce, we need a tinder app for trade deals. That will make millions. |
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"Living on the Continent and as an outsider looking in, I've discussed Brexit with many different nationanaliities
There are those Europeans who are genuinly worried about the impact losing a major contributor will have
There are some who would like the UK to crash and burn
Those who are a little worried of the UK's relationship with the USA
Those who genuinly wish the UK well
There are those, probably the majority who are indifferent
I come in contact with Brit leavers - who mostly want to get on with it - I can't say I've met any leavers who have changed his/her mind
There are Brit remainers who have accepted the result and remainers who clearly haven't
Strangely the group I've wittnessed getting the most irate and angry about the result are people from Southern Ireland
As much as I try to understand things, their level of anger seems disproportionate, considering they are not leaving the EU themselves
By 'Southern Ireland' I presume you mean the Republic of Ireland as a whole and not just the people of Cork?
I guess they have two reasons to be angry about it 1) they are about to end up with harder trade with their nearest neighbour and 2) the whole Northern Ireland peace process thing.
Conversely I know a few people (and on here) from Ireland that see it as an opportunity for Ireland to pick up some extra business whilst the UK is busy doing itself harm. And fair play to them, to be honest.
-Matt"
I'm just curious why the people from the South of Ireland seem to be more upset and have more to say about Brexit than the people from the North of Ireland
This point was raised and brought to my attention by two Swiss friends and I have since realised it rings true
Surely the border issues are the same whichever side you live? And it's the people in the North who will face the major changes - good or bad? |
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"Surely the border issues are the same whichever side you live? And it's the people in the North who will face the major changes - good or bad? "
Maybe the reason that many in the Republic are so angry about brexit is because they had their war of independence and civil war between 1919 and 1923 but have been continually dragged into Northern Ireland's continuing civil war that was caused by a Tory English government partitioning Ireland for it's own political ends in 1922, now see the spectre of that conflict reigniting because another Tory English government refused to consider the implications of a negative vote in an unnecessary referendum promised and called in order to gain an extra few months in power! |
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Again as someone from and currently living in the Republic we dont care that much. Trump makes far more headlines and its him, Syria and our own elected officials that have dominated discussion here. Brexits barely talked about and we're not particularly concerned about it.
Not sure where this narrative that we're "angry" about it comes from but its not accurate. |
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"Just curious but considering the leavers lied to us about the consequences of leaving Brexit and many now admitting they voted leave based on lies then should we have another referendum before we should have let all this election fiasco have started?
What are your thoughts and why?
And your time starts now.... "
Considering the remainers lied to us about the consequences of leaving and now many are admitting they voted to remain based on lies then they should be thankful that they only lost by just over a million. 
Be careful what you wish for. |
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