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Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
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By *lynJMan 5 weeks ago
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?"
Apparently, Apple are resisting the rollback. Good for them! |
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By *ornycougaWoman 5 weeks ago
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My issue with EDI policies is that the company has to live and breathe them - not just write a policy and file it away. Too often they just pay lip service and are a box ticking exercise. So for companies that do this, sure they are going to be exposed to more risk. I'm absolutely not saying this is OK, real change in leadership behaviours and culture is what is needed |
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It's incredibly shit. But it's in response to Trump and Musk and their particular brand of stupidity.
But it looks like some conservative groups were looking at suing companies with DEI policies so this is preemptive before that happens. (the risk that OP mentions) |
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They never believed in it in the first place. Companies will always just position themselves to blow with the prevailing wind and it is naive to think otherwise.
It’s just branding and marketing and no one should be taken in, whichever the direction they are currently facing. |
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?"
What have you got against meritocracy, OP ? |
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
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"How quick the woke revolution fell apart - who'd have thought most people in the real world have no interest in pronouns and 74 gender identities."
I think it has more to do with people not being allowed to be part of inclusion, making it exclusionary, and wanting things to be on individual merit, rather than identity based merits.
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By *inaTitzTV/TS 5 weeks ago
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?
What have you got against meritocracy, OP ?"
It's not a meritocracy when certain groups of people are disadvantaged. |
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?"
Or is it that is gone so far one way its costing company's more.
To comply so its easier to scrap it than it is to keep going down a road. |
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?
What have you got against meritocracy, OP ?
It's not a meritocracy when certain groups of people are disadvantaged. "
So you favour people getting jobs because of their identity rather than their abilities ? |
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?
What have you got against meritocracy, OP ?
It's not a meritocracy when certain groups of people are disadvantaged. "
Isn't a Meritocracy where the best, most suitable person for the job gets it, regardless who they are? How does that disadvantage any group, other than those who are not best suited for it?
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"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination."
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws. |
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?"
No I do not think it is, my view of DEI is through the movies I watched.
I saw my heroes killed off or replaced, all in the name of DEI my favourite Francises ruined due to DEI.
Because DEI has cost some companies like Miller Light their reputations and profit loss.
Also Hollywood losing money hand over fist, so something had to give.
The best thing about this rollback is James Bond might reappear. |
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By *abioMan 5 weeks ago
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It’s the first step towards the 2 greater targets which are
1) the removal and gutting of the civil rights act
2 the removal and gutting of LGBT protections .. and the removal of same sex marriage |
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
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"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws. "
And we wonder why investment in this country is mediocre at best, with attitudes such as "American companies think they can roughshod over British laws". Do you really believe these corps don't understand their obligations in countries and territories they employee people in? |
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"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws.
And we wonder why investment in this country is mediocre at best, with attitudes such as "American companies think they can roughshod over British laws". Do you really believe these corps don't understand their obligations in countries and territories they employee people in? "
Elon Musk didn’t when he summarily dismissed British employees of Twitter in the immediate aftermath of his takeover. |
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws.
And we wonder why investment in this country is mediocre at best, with attitudes such as "American companies think they can roughshod over British laws". Do you really believe these corps don't understand their obligations in countries and territories they employee people in?
Elon Musk didn’t when he summarily dismissed British employees of Twitter in the immediate aftermath of his takeover."
Fair point but you must admit that is an outlier against the list of businesses mentioned. |
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"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws.
And we wonder why investment in this country is mediocre at best, with attitudes such as "American companies think they can roughshod over British laws". Do you really believe these corps don't understand their obligations in countries and territories they employee people in?
Elon Musk didn’t when he summarily dismissed British employees of Twitter in the immediate aftermath of his takeover.
Fair point but you must admit that is an outlier against the list of businesses mentioned."
P&O Cruises?? Owned by Carnival which is American
The point still stands, these Companies will still have to follow British law, in this case the Equality Act. |
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By *ronisMan 5 weeks ago
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?"
No, it's a bit GREAT.
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By *ronisMan 5 weeks ago
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"Some of the biggest Global companies including Apple, Amazon, Meta and McDonalds are rolling back their DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies stating it exposes them to more risk.
Is this a bit shit?
What have you got against meritocracy, OP ?
It's not a meritocracy when certain groups of people are disadvantaged. "
Like the people who don't want it and if they don't fall into line and adhere to it they will lose their job? |
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws.
And we wonder why investment in this country is mediocre at best, with attitudes such as "American companies think they can roughshod over British laws". Do you really believe these corps don't understand their obligations in countries and territories they employee people in?
Elon Musk didn’t when he summarily dismissed British employees of Twitter in the immediate aftermath of his takeover.
Fair point but you must admit that is an outlier against the list of businesses mentioned.
P&O Cruises?? Owned by Carnival which is American
The point still stands, these Companies will still have to follow British law, in this case the Equality Act."
Who said they don't need to follow employment laws etc?
One minor correction, P&O Cruises and P&O Ferries are held by different companies.
P&O ferries are owned by DP World a Dubai logistics company, owned by Dubai government. That brings other questions though.. |
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Good to know that the circus is coming to an end. If anything, those policies promoted more division than reducing it. Not to mention the unfairness.
And kudos to the group that filed the US supreme court case against Harvard. Apparently that's what started the wave against these kind of policies. Now companies are scared that they will face lawsuits too. |
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By *ronisMan 5 weeks ago
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"Good to know that the circus is coming to an end. If anything, those policies promoted more division than reducing it. Not to mention the unfairness.
And kudos to the group that filed the US supreme court case against Harvard. Apparently that's what started the wave against these kind of policies. Now companies are scared that they will face lawsuits too."
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
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"Good to know that the circus is coming to an end. If anything, those policies promoted more division than reducing it. Not to mention the unfairness.
And kudos to the group that filed the US supreme court case against Harvard. Apparently that's what started the wave against these kind of policies. Now companies are scared that they will face lawsuits too."
It was crazy to think you should favour one group or race over another and at some point not be accused of being discriminatory.
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"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws.
And we wonder why investment in this country is mediocre at best, with attitudes such as "American companies think they can roughshod over British laws". Do you really believe these corps don't understand their obligations in countries and territories they employee people in?
Elon Musk didn’t when he summarily dismissed British employees of Twitter in the immediate aftermath of his takeover.
Fair point but you must admit that is an outlier against the list of businesses mentioned.
P&O Cruises?? Owned by Carnival which is American
The point still stands, these Companies will still have to follow British law, in this case the Equality Act.
Who said they don't need to follow employment laws etc?
One minor correction, P&O Cruises and P&O Ferries are held by different companies.
P&O ferries are owned by DP World a Dubai logistics company, owned by Dubai government. That brings other questions though.. "
Yes they are 2 separate companies. P&O Cruises are owned by Carnival Corporation which is American. |
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws.
And we wonder why investment in this country is mediocre at best, with attitudes such as "American companies think they can roughshod over British laws". Do you really believe these corps don't understand their obligations in countries and territories they employee people in?
Elon Musk didn’t when he summarily dismissed British employees of Twitter in the immediate aftermath of his takeover.
Fair point but you must admit that is an outlier against the list of businesses mentioned.
P&O Cruises?? Owned by Carnival which is American
The point still stands, these Companies will still have to follow British law, in this case the Equality Act.
Who said they don't need to follow employment laws etc?
One minor correction, P&O Cruises and P&O Ferries are held by different companies.
P&O ferries are owned by DP World a Dubai logistics company, owned by Dubai government. That brings other questions though..
Yes they are 2 separate companies. P&O Cruises are owned by Carnival Corporation which is American."
It was P&O ferries that sacked the workforce. However that is semantics on my part and I think we are veering off the DEI topic, but some fair challenges |
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By *enelope2UWoman 5 weeks ago
Doesn't matter cant block distances |
"The Companies still have to abide the Equality Act though, if they are employing staff in the UK?
The Equality Law does allow for some positive discrimination.
Any explicit discrimination can still be challenged in UK courts, regardless of what these Companies want to roll back.
American ( and they’re mostly American) Companies think they can just run roughshod over British laws. "
British laws think only discrimination applies in America.. maybe once you face it you'll understand it. |
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"It’s the first step towards the 2 greater targets which are
1) the removal and gutting of the civil rights act
2 the removal and gutting of LGBT protections .. and the removal of same sex marriage "
Very unlikely to be true. |
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"Surely the most important consideration when appointing staff is their ability or potential ability to do the job. "
You would expect that to be the case and to make business sense but it's not always how it happens. I was a victim of this myself, being promoted above far more able colleagues simply because of my colour, so management could tick a box. It was bad for myself, my colleagues and the business. |
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By *abioMan 5 weeks ago
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"It’s the first step towards the 2 greater targets which are
1) the removal and gutting of the civil rights act
2 the removal and gutting of LGBT protections .. and the removal of same sex marriage
Very unlikely to be true. "
Why do you think either is not true…
1) republican states have already taken shots at the civil rights act in order to under represent minorities in federal elections by way of gerrymandering seats and the change of rules regarding how they operate, and ID provisions , for example closing on certain Sundays to stop black churches initiative “souls to the polls”
2) specifically in roe versus wade, in the judgment for the removal judges Clarence Thomas and Samuel alito both wrote a separate dissent stating that other potential laws and opinions should be looked at being repealed… for example, same sex marriage
I still think one southern state will at least give it a shot and when others jump on the case it will end up at SCOTUS….
If you think abortion is the only target of the evangelicals, Christian nationalists and tea party republicans, then I think you are seriously underestimating and underplaying it |
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"It’s the first step towards the 2 greater targets which are
1) the removal and gutting of the civil rights act
2 the removal and gutting of LGBT protections .. and the removal of same sex marriage
Very unlikely to be true.
Why do you think either is not true…
1) republican states have already taken shots at the civil rights act in order to under represent minorities in federal elections by way of gerrymandering seats and the change of rules regarding how they operate, and ID provisions , for example closing on certain Sundays to stop black churches initiative “souls to the polls”
2) specifically in roe versus wade, in the judgment for the removal judges Clarence Thomas and Samuel alito both wrote a separate dissent stating that other potential laws and opinions should be looked at being repealed… for example, same sex marriage
I still think one southern state will at least give it a shot and when others jump on the case it will end up at SCOTUS….
If you think abortion is the only target of the evangelicals, Christian nationalists and tea party republicans, then I think you are seriously underestimating and underplaying it"
1. I see absolutely no chance of the 1964 Civil Rights Act being removed or gutted. A few local issues are hardly a sign this is imminent.
2. Like abortion rights I don't really understand how gay marriage can be a Constitutional rather than legal right so just as Roe v Wade was repealed for that reason it is possible that gay marriage will also become a State decision. That seems logical and constitutionaly correct in a Federal system.
The closing down of DEI programmes is also perfectly in line with Constitutional and legal precedents and this process began with the Supreme Ct decision that Universities were discriminating against Asian students to promote African American ones with much worse academic records.
21st Century identity politics are completely at odds with the founding principles of the USA and are quite rightly being challenged in court and in politics.
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21st Century identity politics are completely at odds with the founding principles of the USA and are quite rightly being challenged in court and in politics.
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21st century identity politics is completely at odds with itself, never mind the founding principles of USA. It's one of the most self contradictory political philosophies in the history. It's the main reason why they prefer shutting down debates. |
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