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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x" Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate... | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate..." When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x" This is very biased and an inaccurate dangerous statement | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x" It's a shame you justify the killing of innocent people to reach that, while condemning the killing of innocent people based on their religion and ethnicity | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime." While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces? | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?" Why don't you read back through the past few months of posting history. You will find mentions of China, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. Then come back with your questions about "virtue signalling", if you still feel that's what this is. 
Hint: you will find nothing considered virtuous coming from these quarters. Vituperative, yes. We do not aim to please or pander. | |||
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"The thing is Russia gets active in the area which could bring conflict between them and Israel who have been popping missiles into Syria every so often. Are we looking at Armageddon as prophesied? " No. But the closest it’s come (ing) in my lifetime. | |||
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"The thing is Russia gets active in the area which could bring conflict between them and Israel who have been popping missiles into Syria every so often. Are we looking at Armageddon as prophesied? " Unlikely because of Russia/Israel. Israel and Russia tend to officially ignore each other, but unofficially avoid engagement and have been doing so for many years. There are reports that Russia is not terribly interested in getting more involved with Syria at the moment, has made some personnel changes in the region (fired generals) and is withdrawing troops from many positions. Putin may well continue to prop up Assad (especially with air support), but Iran and Turkey are the big players there at the moment. Israel will mostly just sit back and enjoy the show at this point, while monitoring mostly Hezbollah-related movements, getting involved where weapons/personnel transfers seem likely. The less Israel is involved, the less likely opposing ideologies (such as those behind Hamas and Hezbollah) are to band together against a common enemy. | |||
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" Are we looking at Armageddon as prophesied? " To this specific question... As prophesied, from a Christian viewpoint, there is no prophecy relating to Damascus in Gog & Magog. Consider following Amir Tsarfati on Telegram for a view from a Christian Arab, who discusses this a lot (and also has a huge amount of early-release news on what's going on in the Middle East). | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x This is very biased and an inaccurate dangerous statement " But it's not is it. You aren't condemning anyone in these conflicts. You reserve your condemnation for me because it's obvious who I feel is to blame in another conflict. In fact you cannot move beyond this. I am blaming Islamic terrorism in all it's forms. I am horrified by the amount of innocent deaths which have occurred here, mainly Muslim deaths. But like I said its not very popular on these forums because of the absence of the Jews but well done for bringing them into this thread, you are quite silly at times. I hope you can just find a way discussing the issues here and condemn the killing of ALL innocent lives.. Mrs x | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces? Why don't you read back through the past few months of posting history. You will find mentions of China, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. Then come back with your questions about "virtue signalling", if you still feel that's what this is.
Hint: you will find nothing considered virtuous coming from these quarters. Vituperative, yes. We do not aim to please or pander."So are you the authority here? | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x It's a shame you justify the killing of innocent people to reach that, while condemning the killing of innocent people based on their religion and ethnicity " How am I justifying killing innocents? I'm explaining how Islamic terrorism is a bigger danger to Muslims than it is to anyone else but saying that everyone is a target, no one is safe. When you say... 'It's a shame you justify the killing of innocent people to reach that', I'm not even sure what you are getting at. What is it you think I'm trying to reach? Mrs x | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces? Why don't you read back through the past few months of posting history. You will find mentions of China, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. Then come back with your questions about "virtue signalling", if you still feel that's what this is.
Hint: you will find nothing considered virtuous coming from these quarters. Vituperative, yes. We do not aim to please or pander.
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" So are you the authority here? " Not in the slightest! But you came along with the accusation of "virtue signalling" (whatever you meant by that) and a question as to whether it covers other conflicts. We have pointed out that if you want to understand our position on other conflicts, you may readily look back through posting history to see what is covered. Enjoy the read. Then come back and we can happily discuss all of the conflicts of the world.  | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?" Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x It's a shame you justify the killing of innocent people to reach that, while condemning the killing of innocent people based on their religion and ethnicity How am I justifying killing innocents? I'm explaining how Islamic terrorism is a bigger danger to Muslims than it is to anyone else but saying that everyone is a target, no one is safe. When you say... 'It's a shame you justify the killing of innocent people to reach that', I'm not even sure what you are getting at. What is it you think I'm trying to reach? Mrs x" Killing civilians is abhorrent no matter the circumstances You have stated in the past that it's unfortunate yet nessacery to kill civilians to achieve total defeat of Hamas with total disregard to the root causes that's creating this mess in the first place | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x " I wasn't asking you | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking you" You are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking youYou are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x" You assumed I was saying that in a rude manner because your applying your attitude to my words. Insimplybstted that I wasn't asking you because your opinions will differ. | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking youYou are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x You assumed I was saying that in a rude manner because your applying your attitude to my words. Insimplybstted that I wasn't asking you because your opinions will differ." I've not assumed anything. I believe I have judged your comment objectively as a rude statement, said during an open conversation. So what you are saying is it's OK during a conversation for you to make a point and when someone adds something you don't like, for example a different opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to tell them...'I wasn't talking to you'. That's not polite in any circumstance. I believe it's rude, very rude but you don't. You then try to double down by saying my opinion are due to my attitude, well we can agree that 'attitude' is a factor here but it's not me. Weren't you taught the maximum 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'? Mrs x | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking youYou are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x You assumed I was saying that in a rude manner because your applying your attitude to my words. Insimplybstted that I wasn't asking you because your opinions will differ.I've not assumed anything. I believe I have judged your comment objectively as a rude statement, said during an open conversation. So what you are saying is it's OK during a conversation for you to make a point and when someone adds something you don't like, for example a different opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to tell them...'I wasn't talking to you'. That's not polite in any circumstance. I believe it's rude, very rude but you don't. You then try to double down by saying my opinion are due to my attitude, well we can agree that 'attitude' is a factor here but it's not me. Weren't you taught the maximum 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'? Mrs x" I'm not going to lower myself answering base remarks like that. I've already explained my reply and If you you have an issue then that's your problem. | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking youYou are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x You assumed I was saying that in a rude manner because your applying your attitude to my words. Insimplybstted that I wasn't asking you because your opinions will differ.I've not assumed anything. I believe I have judged your comment objectively as a rude statement, said during an open conversation. So what you are saying is it's OK during a conversation for you to make a point and when someone adds something you don't like, for example a different opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to tell them...'I wasn't talking to you'. That's not polite in any circumstance. I believe it's rude, very rude but you don't. You then try to double down by saying my opinion are due to my attitude, well we can agree that 'attitude' is a factor here but it's not me. Weren't you taught the maximum 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'? Mrs x I'm not going to lower myself answering base remarks like that. I've already explained my reply and If you you have an issue then that's your problem. " Your lack of manners is not my problem it's yours. Chat to people like you'd like to be chatted to. It's simple manners. No problem if you can't do this, it just shows what you really think. Mrs x | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime." and Russia supports the Assad regime too. | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. and Russia supports the Assad regime too." As does Iran, whereas Turkey supports the rebels (just not the Kurdish ones). It's all very messy. | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking youYou are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x You assumed I was saying that in a rude manner because your applying your attitude to my words. Insimplybstted that I wasn't asking you because your opinions will differ.I've not assumed anything. I believe I have judged your comment objectively as a rude statement, said during an open conversation. So what you are saying is it's OK during a conversation for you to make a point and when someone adds something you don't like, for example a different opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to tell them...'I wasn't talking to you'. That's not polite in any circumstance. I believe it's rude, very rude but you don't. You then try to double down by saying my opinion are due to my attitude, well we can agree that 'attitude' is a factor here but it's not me. Weren't you taught the maximum 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'? Mrs x I'm not going to lower myself answering base remarks like that. I've already explained my reply and If you you have an issue then that's your problem. " If you think I have made a 'base remark' then you've led an exceptionally sheltered life. Mrs x | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking youYou are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x You assumed I was saying that in a rude manner because your applying your attitude to my words. Insimplybstted that I wasn't asking you because your opinions will differ.I've not assumed anything. I believe I have judged your comment objectively as a rude statement, said during an open conversation. So what you are saying is it's OK during a conversation for you to make a point and when someone adds something you don't like, for example a different opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to tell them...'I wasn't talking to you'. That's not polite in any circumstance. I believe it's rude, very rude but you don't. You then try to double down by saying my opinion are due to my attitude, well we can agree that 'attitude' is a factor here but it's not me. Weren't you taught the maximum 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'? Mrs x I'm not going to lower myself answering base remarks like that. I've already explained my reply and If you you have an issue then that's your problem. If you think I have made a 'base remark' then you've led an exceptionally sheltered life. Mrs x" That's your opinion and entitl to it  | |||
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"Since so many people are very concerned about every life in the Middle East, it's remarkable how little attention is given to this very significant development. Is it perhaps because people are not sure which side to support/condemn? To help: Hamas supports the rebels. Hezbollah supports the Assad regime. While your virtue signalling with this does this also cover the attrocities and war mongering in Somalia by American forces?Why should it, is Syria isn't concerned with conflicts elsewhere in the world. If you want you could start such a thread and discuss it in depth. Mrs x I wasn't asking youYou are a polite guy aren't you haha. Unfortunately for you this is a public forum so anyone can respond to any posts. Telling me to basically shut up is a bit of a Red Flag to a Bull and makes me want to respond to all your posts for no other reason than I know it bothers you. Are you being rude just because it's in your nature or is it because I'm a woman and not worthy of an opinion? Nice this, isn't it, Mrs x You assumed I was saying that in a rude manner because your applying your attitude to my words. Insimplybstted that I wasn't asking you because your opinions will differ.I've not assumed anything. I believe I have judged your comment objectively as a rude statement, said during an open conversation. So what you are saying is it's OK during a conversation for you to make a point and when someone adds something you don't like, for example a different opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to tell them...'I wasn't talking to you'. That's not polite in any circumstance. I believe it's rude, very rude but you don't. You then try to double down by saying my opinion are due to my attitude, well we can agree that 'attitude' is a factor here but it's not me. Weren't you taught the maximum 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'? Mrs x I'm not going to lower myself answering base remarks like that. I've already explained my reply and If you you have an issue then that's your problem. If you think I have made a 'base remark' then you've led an exceptionally sheltered life. Mrs x That's your opinion and entitl to it "Certainly is, Mrs x | |||
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"BBC News - More Russian strikes as Syrian rebels advance after taking Aleppo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr7rkzz2gmo 12 killed by a (Russian) airstrike on a hospital. Yesterday. In some conflicts, people are rushing to condemn these sorts of things? What's different here?" It's sad but you know what the difference is, Mrs x | |||
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"Free, free Syria? All eyes on Aleppo? From the Tigris to the sea! Syria will be free! Demonstrations?" No chance. The Gaza 'demonstrators' don't give a damn about civilians being slaughtered, in Syria or Yemen. They just hate Jews, simple as that. | |||
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"Free, free Syria? All eyes on Aleppo? From the Tigris to the sea! Syria will be free! Demonstrations? No chance. The Gaza 'demonstrators' don't give a damn about civilians being slaughtered, in Syria or Yemen. They just hate Jews, simple as that." Well I wouldn't tar people with the same brush | |||
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"No Jews, No News. "Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner, Mrs x | |||
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"Free, free Syria? All eyes on Aleppo? From the Tigris to the sea! Syria will be free! Demonstrations? No chance. The Gaza 'demonstrators' don't give a damn about civilians being slaughtered, in Syria or Yemen. They just hate Jews, simple as that. Well I wouldn't tar people with the same brush " Why not when they share the same anti semitism ? | |||
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"How can anyone choose a side in this? Assad’s regime is authoritarian, and alternatives are shockingly worse, ranging from weak moderates that will never see the light of day, to extremists like ISIS. If Assad falls, Syria will be chaos, under extremist rule, if he stays in power it will be comparable. The people of Syria certainly didn't start out wanting things to be worse in the long run, I just can't see it ending any other way. " Kurds should get a Kurdistan. Weak moderates would be great, although they'll never hold power in the region. The only viable alternative for most of the Middle East is smaller, mostly autonomous, states in a federation, with a very strict separation of powers. The whole damned map is a disaster of colonial mismanagement. The concept of countries in the Middle East is novel in many areas and unworkable. The intersections of religion, culture, ethnicities, families, tribes and politics do not allow for Western style states along current geographical borders. | |||
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"How can anyone choose a side in this? Assad’s regime is authoritarian, and alternatives are shockingly worse, ranging from weak moderates that will never see the light of day, to extremists like ISIS. If Assad falls, Syria will be chaos, under extremist rule, if he stays in power it will be comparable. The people of Syria certainly didn't start out wanting things to be worse in the long run, I just can't see it ending any other way. Kurds should get a Kurdistan. Weak moderates would be great, although they'll never hold power in the region. The only viable alternative for most of the Middle East is smaller, mostly autonomous, states in a federation, with a very strict separation of powers. The whole damned map is a disaster of colonial mismanagement. The concept of countries in the Middle East is novel in many areas and unworkable. The intersections of religion, culture, ethnicities, families, tribes and politics do not allow for Western style states along current geographical borders." You are right about colonial borders like Sykes-Picot disrupting natural alignments. A federal model with autonomous regions could ease power struggles, but it requires cooperation that isn’t just unlikely it’s a non starter in the current climate. Similarly, granting the Kurds a new bordered state would create another Israel like trouble spot in the region. | |||
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"How can anyone choose a side in this? Assad’s regime is authoritarian, and alternatives are shockingly worse, ranging from weak moderates that will never see the light of day, to extremists like ISIS. If Assad falls, Syria will be chaos, under extremist rule, if he stays in power it will be comparable. The people of Syria certainly didn't start out wanting things to be worse in the long run, I just can't see it ending any other way. Kurds should get a Kurdistan. Weak moderates would be great, although they'll never hold power in the region. The only viable alternative for most of the Middle East is smaller, mostly autonomous, states in a federation, with a very strict separation of powers. The whole damned map is a disaster of colonial mismanagement. The concept of countries in the Middle East is novel in many areas and unworkable. The intersections of religion, culture, ethnicities, families, tribes and politics do not allow for Western style states along current geographical borders. You are right about colonial borders like Sykes-Picot disrupting natural alignments. A federal model with autonomous regions could ease power struggles, but it requires cooperation that isn’t just unlikely it’s a non starter in the current climate. Similarly, granting the Kurds a new bordered state would create another Israel like trouble spot in the region." Agreed on all points. But long term, it's the only viable option. | |||
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"How can anyone choose a side in this? Assad’s regime is authoritarian, and alternatives are shockingly worse, ranging from weak moderates that will never see the light of day, to extremists like ISIS. If Assad falls, Syria will be chaos, under extremist rule, if he stays in power it will be comparable. The people of Syria certainly didn't start out wanting things to be worse in the long run, I just can't see it ending any other way. Kurds should get a Kurdistan. Weak moderates would be great, although they'll never hold power in the region. The only viable alternative for most of the Middle East is smaller, mostly autonomous, states in a federation, with a very strict separation of powers. The whole damned map is a disaster of colonial mismanagement. The concept of countries in the Middle East is novel in many areas and unworkable. The intersections of religion, culture, ethnicities, families, tribes and politics do not allow for Western style states along current geographical borders. You are right about colonial borders like Sykes-Picot disrupting natural alignments. A federal model with autonomous regions could ease power struggles, but it requires cooperation that isn’t just unlikely it’s a non starter in the current climate. Similarly, granting the Kurds a new bordered state would create another Israel like trouble spot in the region. Agreed on all points. But long term, it's the only viable option." You are right, longterm solutions like federalism and regional autonomy are the only viable paths, but they do seem impossible now as stability feels way off in regions plagued by persistent conflict and deep political / religious divisions. It might take something extreme to unite humanity, a shared challenge like climate change or even devastation of global conflict. In my opinion achieving Type 1 civilisation, let alone progressing toward Type 2, demands a shift in priorities and collective thinking that feels out of reach for now, and therefore we will continue to plod as we are... | |||
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"My guess if assad is gone Syria in a year or two will resemble the other dusty shithole Libya open air SL ave markets fucked infrastructure and different areas controlled by those terrorists the west has spent the last decade arming" This exactly. The elephant in the room no one is talking about us who funded these 'Rebels' and who actually controls them. Iran next. I wonder how the modern equivalent of Kermit Roosevelt Jnr will play it this time? | |||
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"My guess if assad is gone Syria in a year or two will resemble the other dusty shithole Libya open air SL ave markets fucked infrastructure and different areas controlled by those terrorists the west has spent the last decade arming This exactly. The elephant in the room no one is talking about us who funded these 'Rebels' and who actually controls them. Iran next. I wonder how the modern equivalent of Kermit Roosevelt Jnr will play it this time?" Turkey (predominantly) funded them, but nobody controls them. There's not much debate on that. Unless you're Iran, with an axe to grind. | |||
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"Looks like it's time-up for the Assad dynasty. It's hard to see what follows next in Syria, but it won't be democracy. An uneasy alliance of tribal and religious factions seems the most likely." The (Russian) plane reportedly carrying Assad out of Syria disappeared from the radar after some odd manoeuvres and supposedly crashed, about 5h ago. How very interesting. | |||
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" 5. Holding accountable all those who have committed crimes against the Syrian people, in accordance with the law and justice. " This is the blank cheque that all revolutions write themselves, which can result in a reign of terror. Let's hope that's not the case here and that the international community can quickly trade recognition for some semblance of reason and benevolent governance... | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x" Sounds like you support genocide to me. How you rationalise it is shocking too, and likely you don't realise just how like them you are. | |||
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"Everyone is forgetting that Assad's wife holds dual Syrian/British nationality and the UK government would struggle under ECHR to prevent her and her children's entry to this country. Under family reunion protocols it might also be compelled to allow Assad himself in unless he is charged with war crimes or is designated a persona non grata. Let's be reminded too that many Labour party MPs have met and have been in dialogue with Assad. I am sure George Galloway and Jezza would be only too happy to give him a lift into town from LHR." The UK is in no position to be the holier than though nation. Look at the hideous regimes the UK is in bed with | |||
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"My guess if assad is gone Syria in a year or two will resemble the other dusty shithole Libya open air SL ave markets fucked infrastructure and different areas controlled by those terrorists the west has spent the last decade arming" Possibly although Libya under Gaddafi was relatively stable whereas Syria has been at civil war for almost a decade. | |||
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"I'm glad the tyrant is gone. He should pay for crimes that his family and supporters have committed. " I wouldn't be popping the champagne corks just yet. The new lot could be worse. Btw war crimes committed by UK's allies are just as bad | |||
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"I'm glad the tyrant is gone. He should pay for crimes that his family and supporters have committed. I wouldn't be popping the champagne corks just yet. The new lot could be worse. Btw war crimes committed by UK's allies are just as bad" Two things can true at the same time. We don't know what the new Syria will be like but we can still be pleased that a terrible dictator has fallen. Iraq was a fuck up after the US invasion but I bet most Iraqis are pleased Saddam has gone. | |||
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"Everyone is forgetting that Assad's wife holds dual Syrian/British nationality and the UK government would struggle under ECHR to prevent her and her children's entry to this country. Under family reunion protocols it might also be compelled to allow Assad himself in unless he is charged with war crimes or is designated a persona non grata. Let's be reminded too that many Labour party MPs have met and have been in dialogue with Assad. I am sure George Galloway and Jezza would be only too happy to give him a lift into town from LHR. The UK is in no position to be the holier than though nation. Look at the hideous regimes the UK is in bed with " My enemy's enemy is my friend. Just a fact of life to survive and stay safe. | |||
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"I'm glad the tyrant is gone. He should pay for crimes that his family and supporters have committed. I wouldn't be popping the champagne corks just yet. The new lot could be worse. Btw war crimes committed by UK's allies are just as bad Two things can true at the same time. We don't know what the new Syria will be like but we can still be pleased that a terrible dictator has fallen. Iraq was a fuck up after the US invasion but I bet most Iraqis are pleased Saddam has gone." Yes I agree but at a terrible price. the UN, USA UK and a number of other countries say Hayat Tahrir al-Sham as an al-Qaeda affiliate and frequently refer to it as al-Nusra Front. The US has named Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani a global terrorist so like I say ; let's not be cracking open the champagne over Syria just yet | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x Sounds like you support genocide to me. How you rationalise it is shocking too, and likely you don't realise just how like them you are. " Removing a terrorist groups is not genocide and you are ridiculous suggesting I'm like them. Sometimes you say the silliest things Dan, Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x Sounds like you support genocide to me. How you rationalise it is shocking too, and likely you don't realise just how like them you are. Removing a terrorist groups is not genocide and you are ridiculous suggesting I'm like them. Sometimes you say the silliest things Dan, Mrs x" I think you should drink decaffe coffee Mrs X | |||
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"I'm glad the tyrant is gone. He should pay for crimes that his family and supporters have committed. I wouldn't be popping the champagne corks just yet. The new lot could be worse. Btw war crimes committed by UK's allies are just as bad Two things can true at the same time. We don't know what the new Syria will be like but we can still be pleased that a terrible dictator has fallen. Iraq was a fuck up after the US invasion but I bet most Iraqis are pleased Saddam has gone. Yes I agree but at a terrible price. the UN, USA UK and a number of other countries say Hayat Tahrir al-Sham as an al-Qaeda affiliate and frequently refer to it as al-Nusra Front. The US has named Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani a global terrorist so like I say ; let's not be cracking open the champagne over Syria just yet " This is the concerning thing, that although it's good to see Asad toppled and a defeat for Iran and Russia, the new lot have been designated terrorists across the world ages ago. It's been pointed out on reports that the promises they are giving to behave and not impose their ideology on the citizens is the same as the Taliban used when taking over Afghanistan. They learnt to say whatever the world wanted to hear at first but bit by bit went back to their old ways. Hopefully this will not be the case in Syria. | |||
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" the UN, USA UK and a number of other countries say Hayat Tahrir al-Sham as an al-Qaeda affiliate and frequently refer to it as al-Nusra Front. The US has named Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani a global terrorist so like I say ; let's not be cracking open the champagne over Syria just yet This is the concerning thing, that although it's good to see Asad toppled and a defeat for Iran and Russia, the new lot have been designated terrorists across the world ages ago. It's been pointed out on reports that the promises they are giving to behave and not impose their ideology on the citizens is the same as the Taliban used when taking over Afghanistan. They learnt to say whatever the world wanted to hear at first but bit by bit went back to their old ways. Hopefully this will not be the case in Syria." The news appears to show Syrians supportive and happy with the new leaders. Unless that is our media spin. Uk and USA cannot judge look at the mess they left in Iraq | |||
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"I'm glad the tyrant is gone. He should pay for crimes that his family and supporters have committed. I wouldn't be popping the champagne corks just yet. The new lot could be worse. Btw war crimes committed by UK's allies are just as bad Two things can true at the same time. We don't know what the new Syria will be like but we can still be pleased that a terrible dictator has fallen. Iraq was a fuck up after the US invasion but I bet most Iraqis are pleased Saddam has gone. Yes I agree but at a terrible price. the UN, USA UK and a number of other countries say Hayat Tahrir al-Sham as an al-Qaeda affiliate and frequently refer to it as al-Nusra Front. The US has named Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani a global terrorist so like I say ; let's not be cracking open the champagne over Syria just yet This is the concerning thing, that although it's good to see Asad toppled and a defeat for Iran and Russia, the new lot have been designated terrorists across the world ages ago. It's been pointed out on reports that the promises they are giving to behave and not impose their ideology on the citizens is the same as the Taliban used when taking over Afghanistan. They learnt to say whatever the world wanted to hear at first but bit by bit went back to their old ways. Hopefully this will not be the case in Syria." I think there's some very valid concerns but I also think the influence of their backers, largely Turkey has to be a consideration.. Whether their support was given with the expectations that further turmoil and sectarian revenge is to be seen but one hopes so.. | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x Sounds like you support genocide to me. How you rationalise it is shocking too, and likely you don't realise just how like them you are. Removing a terrorist groups is not genocide and you are ridiculous suggesting I'm like them. Sometimes you say the silliest things Dan, Mrs x" There's a multitude of ways to deal with terrorists and the methods you support are horrorendous. Did you write that yourself or are you quoting a genocidal despot you support. Your from southern Ireland, should the RAF have bombed thousands of innocent Irish people to get one or two IRA terrorists? Killing you your parents your siblings? Would you have condoned that? Dan! Lol, is he some mug that fancies you? | |||
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"Just heard that the rebels have taken Damascus and that Assad has fled the Country. What happens now?" Plane to Dubai where he lives out his life with a shedload of cash! | |||
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"Its been reported that the Kurdish who occupy part of Syria could be attacked next their backed by the USA but hated by Turkey." The PKK and The YPG are both considered terrorist groups by erdogun I could see Turkey trying to take some Syrian land and calling it a “buffer zone” The most interesting question actually may be how much can the US lean of a new Syrian government to get the Russians to leave their military and naval bases… | |||
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"Just heard that the rebels have taken Damascus and that Assad has fled the Country. What happens now?" I visited Damascus in the 90s, was an amazing City then. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon could all have amazing tourist industries. | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x" exactly that you’ve nailed it again iv also noticed the usuall suspects missing on this weired | |||
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"Assad in Moscow, hope its minus 30 this winter and his heating doesn't work." Let’s hope the rebels get Tartus port. Paywall torygraph says that could be serious trouble for Putins war effort. | |||
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"Assad in Moscow, hope its minus 30 this winter and his heating doesn't work." He won’t be there for long.. I still think he ends up in Dubai with all his hidden cash | |||
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"Assad in Moscow, hope its minus 30 this winter and his heating doesn't work. Let’s hope the rebels get Tartus port. Paywall torygraph says that could be serious trouble for Putins war effort. " According to Al Jazeera, the Russians have abandoned Tartus naval base. | |||
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"Assad in Moscow, hope its minus 30 this winter and his heating doesn't work. Let’s hope the rebels get Tartus port. Paywall torygraph says that could be serious trouble for Putins war effort. According to Al Jazeera, the Russians have abandoned Tartus naval base." Not surprised.. The russians have been butchering women and children for Assad for years, they will get hung by their ankles if they're caught.. | |||
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" the UN, USA UK and a number of other countries say Hayat Tahrir al-Sham as an al-Qaeda affiliate and frequently refer to it as al-Nusra Front. The US has named Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani a global terrorist so like I say ; let's not be cracking open the champagne over Syria just yet This is the concerning thing, that although it's good to see Asad toppled and a defeat for Iran and Russia, the new lot have been designated terrorists across the world ages ago. It's been pointed out on reports that the promises they are giving to behave and not impose their ideology on the citizens is the same as the Taliban used when taking over Afghanistan. They learnt to say whatever the world wanted to hear at first but bit by bit went back to their old ways. Hopefully this will not be the case in Syria. The news appears to show Syrians supportive and happy with the new leaders. Unless that is our media spin. Uk and USA cannot judge look at the mess they left in Iraq " Yes I see some footage of that. Hope their new leaders are true to their word but the fear is these are recognised terrorists and they may replicate what the Taliban done in Afghanistan. Good that hat Asad is gone. Only time will tell I guess. | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x Sounds like you support genocide to me. How you rationalise it is shocking too, and likely you don't realise just how like them you are. Removing a terrorist groups is not genocide and you are ridiculous suggesting I'm like them. Sometimes you say the silliest things Dan, Mrs x There's a multitude of ways to deal with terrorists and the methods you support are horrorendous. Did you write that yourself or are you quoting a genocidal despot you support. Your from southern Ireland, should the RAF have bombed thousands of innocent Irish people to get one or two IRA terrorists? Killing you your parents your siblings? Would you have condoned that? Dan! Lol, is he some mug that fancies you? " Add something to the thread, anything. All you do is post to me about non related stuff, questioning my responses. It's just so boring and if I'm honest demonstrates you have a one track mind and cannot cope with having to think for yourself. Also do I owe you anything or is it free for me to be living inside your head, you're obsessed haha, Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x Sounds like you support genocide to me. How you rationalise it is shocking too, and likely you don't realise just how like them you are. Removing a terrorist groups is not genocide and you are ridiculous suggesting I'm like them. Sometimes you say the silliest things Dan, Mrs x There's a multitude of ways to deal with terrorists and the methods you support are horrorendous. Did you write that yourself or are you quoting a genocidal despot you support. Your from southern Ireland, should the RAF have bombed thousands of innocent Irish people to get one or two IRA terrorists? Killing you your parents your siblings? Would you have condoned that? Dan! Lol, is he some mug that fancies you? Add something to the thread, anything. All you do is post to me about non related stuff, questioning my responses. It's just so boring and if I'm honest demonstrates you have a one track mind and cannot cope with having to think for yourself. Also do I owe you anything or is it free for me to be living inside your head, you're obsessed haha, Mrs x" All of this is your opinion and your entitled to it and I have my opinions too. No furthe point in discussing anything if you make comments like this. You do it to others too | |||
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"assuming there's some arguementative message in this thread from certain elements on here giving somewhat conceited lectures about larger conflicts that don't involve Israel, that does not diminish the wrongs of Israel. Yemen Somalia Syria are not really conflicts we could influence without major direct involvement, Israel is. " Was there any meat in that word salad? | |||
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""I visited Damascus in the 90s, was an amazing City then" We lived there for four years, our two youngest children were born there. Under Hafez-al-Assad Syria was liberal, women had the same education and career opportunities as men, I had male, female, Sunni, Christian, even Sri Lanki employees. Plus one Alawi who was disliked by the others because he felt superior! The extremists (Muslim Brotherhood etc.) had been quietened - yes, sometimes brutally - Shia Muslims kept themselves to themselves, and Basil was being groomed to take over; he'd already cleared out a lot of corruption, especially in his own Lattakia region. But it all went wrong when he died and Bashar allowed himself to be Russia's puppet. My own view is that he should've been more like his Uncle Rifaat..." What a wonderful experience for you. I had a friend studying there on a cultural exchange so I visited for a couple of weeks- it was a very memorable time, the City seemed very peaceful and open. | |||
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"assuming there's some arguementative message in this thread from certain elements on here giving somewhat conceited lectures about larger conflicts that don't involve Israel, that does not diminish the wrongs of Israel. Yemen Somalia Syria are not really conflicts we could influence without major direct involvement, Israel is. Was there any meat in that word salad?" No, I've examined sais 'wird salad' and there is no meat, no meat at all, Mrs x | |||
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"By whom and from whom? Quneitra just about sums up the whole situation: it was was part of an area taken over and occupied by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967. They withdrew after the 1973 Yom Kippur War and, being in the UN buffer zone, it was still unoccupied during all the time I was living in Damascus. I took visitors there a few times though, to show them around what was an eerie ghost town. BUT, Syria told the world that the Israelis had destroyed everything (heart-breaking to see a large hospital with all its windows smashed and walls knocked down by tanks) before they left. Israelis maintained that the Syrians themselves had done it to make them look bad. One will never know the real truth behind this and so much of what goes on in that region… although I can understand Israel putting their own forces in the Golan rather than trusting the UN to continue to keep them apart." seeing as Israel have deliberately targeted the UN peacekeepers headquarters and injured in peacekeepers I doubt the Un will have much sympathy Israel. And Israel knocking down/attacking a hospital it wouldn't be the first time! | |||
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"Doubt they'll be getting them back, Mrs x" In short, what your saying is that you and the op of the thread are some kind of omnipotent god's gift fountain of knowledge in the subject of the middle east and anyone disagreeing with you and your op double act lectures are inferior. | |||
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"Doubt they'll be getting them back, Mrs x In short, what your saying is that you and the op of the thread are some kind of omnipotent god's gift fountain of knowledge in the subject of the middle east and anyone disagreeing with you and your op double act lectures are inferior. " How do you figure that out? | |||
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"Doubt they'll be getting them back, Mrs x In short, what your saying is that you and the op of the thread are some kind of omnipotent god's gift fountain of knowledge in the subject of the middle east and anyone disagreeing with you and your op double act lectures are inferior. " Haha you have no answers to any questions just personal attacks. It's both funny and sad all at the same time. Just try and answer a question, or contribute something to a thread without attacking someone, so at least it looks like you have some sort of understanding of what's being discussed. Mrs x | |||
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"well that didn't take long did it .... Israli government has put boots on the ground inside syria and started wholsale bombing of the revolutionaries newly aquired assets." Israel are rightly going after the Iranian missiles being made in Syria for Hezbollah and Hamas plus the Americans have carried out at least 75 strikes on ISIS targets .. The major concern is also the stockpiles of chemical weapons and who they might end up in the hands of.. | |||
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"well that didn't take long did it .... Israli government has put boots on the ground inside syria and started wholsale bombing of the revolutionaries newly aquired assets. Israel are rightly going after the Iranian missiles being made in Syria for Hezbollah and Hamas plus the Americans have carried out at least 75 strikes on ISIS targets .. The major concern is also the stockpiles of chemical weapons and who they might end up in the hands of.." regardless of the official excuses for the action, this will destabilise the whole region .... which is probably the idea behind it. | |||
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"well that didn't take long did it .... Israli government has put boots on the ground inside syria and started wholsale bombing of the revolutionaries newly aquired assets. Israel are rightly going after the Iranian missiles being made in Syria for Hezbollah and Hamas plus the Americans have carried out at least 75 strikes on ISIS targets .. The major concern is also the stockpiles of chemical weapons and who they might end up in the hands of.. regardless of the official excuses for the action, this will destabilise the whole region .... which is probably the idea behind it." No one profits from that though and I doubt that was Turkeys end game in backing the current lot who overthrew Assad.. It weakens Iran which is no bad thing, and if Russia loses it's based that's a blow for them in the region.. | |||
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"well that didn't take long did it .... Israli government has put boots on the ground inside syria and started wholsale bombing of the revolutionaries newly aquired assets." Fancy Israel not wanting a bunch of terrorists, who (today) have said that next is Al Aqsa, not to have the entire arsenal of a state at their disposal... | |||
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"List of countries that announced today they are freezing all Syrian asylum applications: 🇩🇪 Germany 🇫🇷 France 🇮🇹 Italy 🇬🇧 UK 🇳🇱 Netherlands 🇧🇪 Belgium 🇦🇹 Austria 🇸🇪 Sweden 🇫🇮 Finland 🇩🇰 Denmark 🇳🇴 Norway 🇨🇿 Czechia 🇨🇭 Switzerland 🇭🇷 Croatia 🇬🇷 Greece" As far as Britain goes that's a bit of spin which will be quietly dropped - we accept loads of asylum applications from safe and stable countries. Any applicants from Syria will now just claim to be persecuted by the new regime. I imagine other European countries will be much tougher and actually start returning Syrians soon. | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.." I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come. | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come." Let's hope so, could be a big blow against Islamic terrorism, Mrs x | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come." I can see where they are coming from, Biden wasn't strong enough in influencing Netanyahu with several aspects that rightly have drawn valid criticism whilst they went after Hamas.. Trump will back them unequivocally and they look to be using the opportunity afforded them after Oct 7 to weaken Iran and their proxy's.. Iran are weaker than they were when they gave Hamas the green light to butcher innocent Israeli's and Russia if they lose their bases in Syria will be also.. Turkey look intent on wiping out the Kurds and the USA won't want a direct conflict with the former over the latter.. When you think it's a mess it gets even messier.. | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come." I think Iran are going to have huge problems with there own ppl specially the young educated I can see another uprising in the whole region | |||
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"the further to right = the bigger the shit show "The further to the left or the right = the bigger shit show | |||
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"the further to right = the bigger the shit show
The further to the left or the right = the bigger shit show "think we are the only country going to the left right now | |||
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"the further to right = the bigger the shit show
The further to the left or the right = the bigger shit show think we are the only country going to the left right now "It may take a while but we may end up with homogeneous haircuts and work fatigues in a decade or so | |||
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"the further to right = the bigger the shit show
The further to the left or the right = the bigger shit show think we are the only country going to the left right now
It may take a while but we may end up with homogeneous haircuts and work fatigues in a decade or so "you're obviously predicting either nutty NigEl Dulce or sturmbahnfurher badenoch as next PM | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come.I think Iran are going to have huge problems with there own ppl specially the young educated I can see another uprising in the whole region " Distinct possibility even after the crackdowns after the last one.. | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come.I think Iran are going to have huge problems with there own ppl specially the young educated I can see another uprising in the whole region Distinct possibility even after the crackdowns after the last one.." It would be good to see the downfall of such oppressive governments, the price that will be paid for that to happen, worries me. | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come.I think Iran are going to have huge problems with there own ppl specially the young educated I can see another uprising in the whole region Distinct possibility even after the crackdowns after the last one.. It would be good to see the downfall of such oppressive governments, the price that will be paid for that to happen, worries me. " Might be too high for it's citizens.. | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come.I think Iran are going to have huge problems with there own ppl specially the young educated I can see another uprising in the whole region Distinct possibility even after the crackdowns after the last one.. It would be good to see the downfall of such oppressive governments, the price that will be paid for that to happen, worries me. Might be too high for it's citizens.." It will be terribly high right now. However, the last uprising sparked by the death of Mahsa Amini in September 2022, was supported by young men as well as women, that could be a signal that things can and will change over the next decade or 2. fingers crossed. | |||
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"Ironic that Israel's actions in degrading Syria's military assets and expansion in the Golan might strengthen Putin's case for keeping his bases there.. I can see why Israel are taking out some assets but if they leave the new regime with nothing they may look to stronger neighbours who seek to exploit their own strategic aims.. I'm not sure what to make of Israel right now, they are single handedly taking on the middle east and have destabilised much of the power base in the countries that were problematic to them. Iran, who in my opinion started this conflict by proxy, must be worried that they have lost a lot of their influence and are going to be exposed from a loss of external militarily support for years to come.Let's hope so, could be a big blow against Islamic terrorism, Mrs x" Hope so as well, though their status as a terrorist organisation now seems to be under discussion again. It appears that if a terrorist group overthrow a brutal dictator then the their past seems less of an issue all of a sudden | |||
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"Churchill was branded a war criminal for sinking the French Fleet in WWII (to keep ships out of the hands of the Germans). Isn't that the exact same thing Netanyahu has done to the Syrian Fleet? " Then brand him a war criminal... But that was more about the 1300 French navy personnel killed. | |||
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"Churchill was branded a war criminal for sinking the French Fleet in WWII (to keep ships out of the hands of the Germans). Isn't that the exact same thing Netanyahu has done to the Syrian Fleet? Then brand him a war criminal... But that was more about the 1300 French navy personnel killed." Well the UN already have done that job for me. How many dead Syrian sailors would exempt your hero then? | |||
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"Churchill was branded a war criminal for sinking the French Fleet in WWII (to keep ships out of the hands of the Germans). Isn't that the exact same thing Netanyahu has done to the Syrian Fleet? Then brand him a war criminal... But that was more about the 1300 French navy personnel killed. Well the UN already have done that job for me. How many dead Syrian sailors would exempt your hero then?" He is most definitely not our hero. | |||
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"Churchill was branded a war criminal for sinking the French Fleet in WWII (to keep ships out of the hands of the Germans). Isn't that the exact same thing Netanyahu has done to the Syrian Fleet? Then brand him a war criminal... But that was more about the 1300 French navy personnel killed. Well the UN already have done that job for me. How many dead Syrian sailors would exempt your hero then? He is most definitely not our hero." Fair enough. But my point was that absolute numbers do not natter when assessing war crimes. It's more the deed itself. | |||
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"Churchill was branded a war criminal for sinking the French Fleet in WWII (to keep ships out of the hands of the Germans). Isn't that the exact same thing Netanyahu has done to the Syrian Fleet? Then brand him a war criminal... But that was more about the 1300 French navy personnel killed. Well the UN already have done that job for me. How many dead Syrian sailors would exempt your hero then? He is most definitely not our hero. Fair enough. But my point was that absolute numbers do not natter when assessing war crimes. It's more the deed itself." 100% The context, proportionality, intent and sheer bloodthirstiness is the (messy and subjective) measure by which they must be judged. | |||
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"Churchill was branded a war criminal for sinking the French Fleet in WWII (to keep ships out of the hands of the Germans). Isn't that the exact same thing Netanyahu has done to the Syrian Fleet? Then brand him a war criminal... But that was more about the 1300 French navy personnel killed. Well the UN already have done that job for me. How many dead Syrian sailors would exempt your hero then? He is most definitely not our hero. Fair enough. But my point was that absolute numbers do not natter when assessing war crimes. It's more the deed itself. 100% The context, proportionality, intent and sheer bloodthirstiness is the (messy and subjective) measure by which they must be judged. " I'll go with that. "Take him down to the cells!" | |||
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"Doubt they'll be getting them back, Mrs x In short, what your saying is that you and the op of the thread are some kind of omnipotent god's gift fountain of knowledge in the subject of the middle east and anyone disagreeing with you and your op double act lectures are inferior. Haha you have no answers to any questions just personal attacks. It's both funny and sad all at the same time. Just try and answer a question, or contribute something to a thread without attacking someone, so at least it looks like you have some sort of understanding of what's being discussed. Mrs x" Depends what your basing your questions on based on your point of view. I base my points of view on ethics and a sense of principles. If someone who's a narcissist without any ethics or principles are asking me things from their point of view especially loaded ones based on their assumptions /fundings then discussing anything is difficult at best | |||
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"Doubt they'll be getting them back, Mrs x In short, what your saying is that you and the op of the thread are some kind of omnipotent god's gift fountain of knowledge in the subject of the middle east and anyone disagreeing with you and your op double act lectures are inferior. Haha you have no answers to any questions just personal attacks. It's both funny and sad all at the same time. Just try and answer a question, or contribute something to a thread without attacking someone, so at least it looks like you have some sort of understanding of what's being discussed. Mrs x Depends what your basing your questions on based on your point of view. I base my points of view on ethics and a sense of principles. If someone who's a narcissist without any ethics or principles are asking me things from their point of view especially loaded ones based on their assumptions /fundings then discussing anything is difficult at best " Again a personal attack. Do you just go from thread to thread searching me out? Sorry that was a question and I know how you hate being asked them, even very simple ones, Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs x" What a vile specimen you are | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are " So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x" QED! After stating " Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon" Then asks a question like that. Some people need to give their heads a wobble | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x" Do you support the Israeli terrorist actions? | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x QED! After stating " Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon" Then asks a question like that. Some people need to give their heads a wobble " So you support terrorists too, doesn't surprise me, Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x Do you support the Israeli terrorist actions?" Israel is not a recognised terrorist organisation, Hamas is though, Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x QED! After stating " Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon" Then asks a question like that. Some people need to give their heads a wobble " They are savages and that's why they hide behind woman and kidd because they do mean nothing to them, it's obvious but you seem to think otherwise. Are these terrorist kind and benevolent because you seem to view them in a different light to me, they are savages, baby burning savages and deserve everything that's coming to them. I'd tell you to give your head a wobble but I'd worry about your tin foil hat falling off, Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x Do you support the Israeli terrorist actions?Israel is not a recognised terrorist organisation, Hamas is though, Mrs x" it does appear from your many statements that whilst Israel may not be a terrorist state you never condemn any actions the IDF carry out. For example the continued bombing of tents in the displaced area that Israel said was safe! Or the drone attacks on the medical workers who try to retrieve the injured and dead bodies. What's your view on the attacks by the illegal settlements on the Palestinians? | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x Do you support the Israeli terrorist actions?Israel is not a recognised terrorist organisation, Hamas is though, Mrs x" Then your justifying who's a terrorist and who isn't, who commits atrocities and who isn't, not based on acts themselves but by justifying them on context. People believe that the Muslims who's lived there fo centuries - millennia are chattle in the way are to be dispensed with and the true Aires of the area are Jews from European countries. Yes the Jews have suffered awful persecution through history and anyone denying that is insane. But the by founding Israel as a home for Jews has caused them to escape brutality , only to become what they despise. They are the oppressors now, I condemn hamas's attacks on 7 October as I condemn Israel in its murderous persecution of innocent people, I'd condemn the British government if they carpet bombed Ireland and flattened huge areas. A war crime isn't determined by the context of who what when why but the act itself. | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x Do you support the Israeli terrorist actions?Israel is not a recognised terrorist organisation, Hamas is though, Mrs x Then your justifying who's a terrorist and who isn't, who commits atrocities and who isn't, not based on acts themselves but by justifying them on context. People believe that the Muslims who's lived there fo centuries - millennia are chattle in the way are to be dispensed with and the true Aires of the area are Jews from European countries. Yes the Jews have suffered awful persecution through history and anyone denying that is insane. But the by founding Israel as a home for Jews has caused them to escape brutality , only to become what they despise. They are the oppressors now, I condemn hamas's attacks on 7 October as I condemn Israel in its murderous persecution of innocent people, I'd condemn the British government if they carpet bombed Ireland and flattened huge areas. A war crime isn't determined by the context of who what when why but the act itself. " ... 'by the act itself', I cannot disagree. You do know that using 'human shields' is actually defined as a war crime? I know another question, you don't like them. You still not hot any response to why 2 million Palestinians choose to live in peace in Israel? You won't answer that will you, goes against your while narrative. Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists. Mrs x | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x Do you support the Israeli terrorist actions?Israel is not a recognised terrorist organisation, Hamas is though, Mrs x Then your justifying who's a terrorist and who isn't, who commits atrocities and who isn't, not based on acts themselves but by justifying them on context. People believe that the Muslims who's lived there fo centuries - millennia are chattle in the way are to be dispensed with and the true Aires of the area are Jews from European countries. Yes the Jews have suffered awful persecution through history and anyone denying that is insane. But the by founding Israel as a home for Jews has caused them to escape brutality , only to become what they despise. They are the oppressors now, I condemn hamas's attacks on 7 October as I condemn Israel in its murderous persecution of innocent people, I'd condemn the British government if they carpet bombed Ireland and flattened huge areas. A war crime isn't determined by the context of who what when why but the act itself. " you do know Jews have lived there for centuries thousands of years aswell lol | |||
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"There's a Jewish shaped void and that's why there isn't as much 'interest' in this conflict as there might have been, this despite more deaths occurring here than in other conflicts. Or I might just be a little cynical, Mrs x Very possible so. There can be no outrage until people have figured out whom to hate...When you try and explain that Islamic terrorism and their aims to people, they just think of the Israeli conflict. But they don't have any idea that Islamic terrorism is in fact a larger danger to Muslims... These terrorists will kill anyone whom their Holy book tells them is a non believer, including fellow Muslims who don't believe in their particular strand of the Muslim faith. They have been killing fellow Muslims shortly after the faith came into being. The excuse that their Holy text compels this so is just a terribly evil interpretation of their scriptures. So if you don't challenge these murderous religious ideology then they will continue killing other Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who they believe does not follow the right path. Human life means nothing to these savaged, that's why they hide behind woman and children because they mean nothing. Hope they are all wiped off the face of the Earth soon, Mrs xWhat a vile specimen you are So does that make you a terrorist supporter then? Mrs x Do you support the Israeli terrorist actions?Israel is not a recognised terrorist organisation, Hamas is though, Mrs x it does appear from your many statements that whilst Israel may not be a terrorist state you never condemn any actions the IDF carry out. For example the continued bombing of tents in the displaced area that Israel said was safe! Or the drone attacks on the medical workers who try to retrieve the injured and dead bodies. What's your view on the attacks by the illegal settlements on the Palestinians?" You know my response to that, I've answered it many times before, once last time I don't agree with that, I think it's wrong. Wrong in the same way individual suicide bombers from Gaza blow up innocent Israelis. There are good and bad on either side of the border but the bad in Gaza are terrorists, committing terrorism. This is not defined by me but by the international community. Mrs x | |||
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""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion." OK say you are right, so say this same this same neutral visitor looked at Israel and saw the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, what would they think about that? You have never attempted to answer this, always avoided it. It cannot be Palestinians that they want to eradicate, from the 2 million in Israel, to the 'fact' that they have killed, as a result of a war that Hamas started, 1.25% of the total population of the Palestinians in the area, 98.75% are still alive, those are the facts. So what do you think is the answer to the question of why Israel allows 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully within their borders? Not just that why do they let them integrate fully, becoming politicians and supreme court judged, if they want to kill all Palestinians? Mrs x | |||
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""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion.OK say you are right, so say this same this same neutral visitor looked at Israel and saw the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, what would they think about that? You have never attempted to answer this, always avoided it. It cannot be Palestinians that they want to eradicate, from the 2 million in Israel, to the 'fact' that they have killed, as a result of a war that Hamas started, 1.25% of the total population of the Palestinians in the area, 98.75% are still alive, those are the facts. So what do you think is the answer to the question of why Israel allows 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully within their borders? Not just that why do they let them integrate fully, becoming politicians and supreme court judged, if they want to kill all Palestinians? Mrs x" There's nothing to answer. There are Christians in Israel too. So what? many Muslim majority countries host minorities of Jews and Christians, and they mostly live in peace. tbh I don't see the connection to Israel's laying waste to Gaza and the 10,000s deaths of innocent non-combatants. | |||
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""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion.OK say you are right, so say this same this same neutral visitor looked at Israel and saw the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, what would they think about that? You have never attempted to answer this, always avoided it. It cannot be Palestinians that they want to eradicate, from the 2 million in Israel, to the 'fact' that they have killed, as a result of a war that Hamas started, 1.25% of the total population of the Palestinians in the area, 98.75% are still alive, those are the facts. So what do you think is the answer to the question of why Israel allows 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully within their borders? Not just that why do they let them integrate fully, becoming politicians and supreme court judged, if they want to kill all Palestinians? Mrs x There's nothing to answer. There are Christians in Israel too. So what? many Muslim majority countries host minorities of Jews and Christians, and they mostly live in peace. tbh I don't see the connection to Israel's laying waste to Gaza and the 10,000s deaths of innocent non-combatants." You do know that following the creation of Israel, most Muslim countries kicked the Jewish population out of their countries. Over 850,000 Jews forcibly removed, property st@len, no compensation, more than the Nakba the Palestinians suffered by more than 100000. There's less than 28,000 Jews living in Muslim countries since 2019, and I should imagine there's less now following 7th October. So Muslim countries not really 'hosting' Jews, only Turkey and surprisingly Iran. But only in the thousands not the millions like Palestinians in Israel. As for not being able see the connection between Palestinians living peacefully in Israel and the devastation in Gaza and the thousands of civillian deaths, that's your issue and not why I responded to your post. You posted ...""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion." So I merely explained why I believe that Israel only want to kill Islamic terrorists. I then asked why there are 2 million Palestinians living in Israel peacefully, as an example that they don't want to kill Palestinians. I could point out that if their aims were to eradicate Palestinians then they could round up this group very easily and start with them. I could point out the atrocities of Nazism or the Bosnian War but I suspect you've seen how easily this was achieved by the rulers of these terrible regimes. Hats why I believe they only want to kill Islamic terrorism and not Palestinians. As for the terrible loss of innocent lives, it's a diabolic tactic by Hamas using human shields, deliberately putting their citizens in harms way to gain a propaganda advantage. Even after saying that the numbers killed have not exceeded the accepted numbers of deaths for an Urban war, which has accepted casualty figures which are higher than any other type of conflict. I don't expect you to believe this but you could do your own research on these figures. So the question, which you have avoided again, is purely about Israel not wanting to kill ordinary Palestinians because if they did why do they allow 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully in their country? Can't wait for your next deflection. Mrs x | |||
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""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion.OK say you are right, so say this same this same neutral visitor looked at Israel and saw the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, what would they think about that? You have never attempted to answer this, always avoided it. It cannot be Palestinians that they want to eradicate, from the 2 million in Israel, to the 'fact' that they have killed, as a result of a war that Hamas started, 1.25% of the total population of the Palestinians in the area, 98.75% are still alive, those are the facts. So what do you think is the answer to the question of why Israel allows 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully within their borders? Not just that why do they let them integrate fully, becoming politicians and supreme court judged, if they want to kill all Palestinians? Mrs x There's nothing to answer. There are Christians in Israel too. So what? many Muslim majority countries host minorities of Jews and Christians, and they mostly live in peace. tbh I don't see the connection to Israel's laying waste to Gaza and the 10,000s deaths of innocent non-combatants.You do know that following the creation of Israel, most Muslim countries kicked the Jewish population out of their countries. Over 850,000 Jews forcibly removed, property st@len, no compensation, more than the Nakba the Palestinians suffered by more than 100000. There's less than 28,000 Jews living in Muslim countries since 2019, and I should imagine there's less now following 7th October. So Muslim countries not really 'hosting' Jews, only Turkey and surprisingly Iran. But only in the thousands not the millions like Palestinians in Israel. As for not being able see the connection between Palestinians living peacefully in Israel and the devastation in Gaza and the thousands of civillian deaths, that's your issue and not why I responded to your post. You posted ...""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion." So I merely explained why I believe that Israel only want to kill Islamic terrorists. I then asked why there are 2 million Palestinians living in Israel peacefully, as an example that they don't want to kill Palestinians. I could point out that if their aims were to eradicate Palestinians then they could round up this group very easily and start with them. I could point out the atrocities of Nazism or the Bosnian War but I suspect you've seen how easily this was achieved by the rulers of these terrible regimes. Hats why I believe they only want to kill Islamic terrorism and not Palestinians. As for the terrible loss of innocent lives, it's a diabolic tactic by Hamas using human shields, deliberately putting their citizens in harms way to gain a propaganda advantage. Even after saying that the numbers killed have not exceeded the accepted numbers of deaths for an Urban war, which has accepted casualty figures which are higher than any other type of conflict. I don't expect you to believe this but you could do your own research on these figures. So the question, which you have avoided again, is purely about Israel not wanting to kill ordinary Palestinians because if they did why do they allow 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully in their country? Can't wait for your next deflection. Mrs x" In summary, to take-in gullible people like you who've bought it hook, line and sinker. Convenient if you don't want to look over the barbed wire fences into Gaza and see the true carnage inflicted on a largely civilian population. Now THAT'S deflection right there. But you can sleep well at night at least. | |||
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""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion.OK say you are right, so say this same this same neutral visitor looked at Israel and saw the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, what would they think about that? You have never attempted to answer this, always avoided it. It cannot be Palestinians that they want to eradicate, from the 2 million in Israel, to the 'fact' that they have killed, as a result of a war that Hamas started, 1.25% of the total population of the Palestinians in the area, 98.75% are still alive, those are the facts. So what do you think is the answer to the question of why Israel allows 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully within their borders? Not just that why do they let them integrate fully, becoming politicians and supreme court judged, if they want to kill all Palestinians? Mrs x There's nothing to answer. There are Christians in Israel too. So what? many Muslim majority countries host minorities of Jews and Christians, and they mostly live in peace. tbh I don't see the connection to Israel's laying waste to Gaza and the 10,000s deaths of innocent non-combatants.You do know that following the creation of Israel, most Muslim countries kicked the Jewish population out of their countries. Over 850,000 Jews forcibly removed, property st@len, no compensation, more than the Nakba the Palestinians suffered by more than 100000. There's less than 28,000 Jews living in Muslim countries since 2019, and I should imagine there's less now following 7th October. So Muslim countries not really 'hosting' Jews, only Turkey and surprisingly Iran. But only in the thousands not the millions like Palestinians in Israel. As for not being able see the connection between Palestinians living peacefully in Israel and the devastation in Gaza and the thousands of civillian deaths, that's your issue and not why I responded to your post. You posted ...""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion." So I merely explained why I believe that Israel only want to kill Islamic terrorists. I then asked why there are 2 million Palestinians living in Israel peacefully, as an example that they don't want to kill Palestinians. I could point out that if their aims were to eradicate Palestinians then they could round up this group very easily and start with them. I could point out the atrocities of Nazism or the Bosnian War but I suspect you've seen how easily this was achieved by the rulers of these terrible regimes. Hats why I believe they only want to kill Islamic terrorism and not Palestinians. As for the terrible loss of innocent lives, it's a diabolic tactic by Hamas using human shields, deliberately putting their citizens in harms way to gain a propaganda advantage. Even after saying that the numbers killed have not exceeded the accepted numbers of deaths for an Urban war, which has accepted casualty figures which are higher than any other type of conflict. I don't expect you to believe this but you could do your own research on these figures. So the question, which you have avoided again, is purely about Israel not wanting to kill ordinary Palestinians because if they did why do they allow 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully in their country? Can't wait for your next deflection. Mrs x In summary, to take-in gullible people like you who've bought it hook, line and sinker. Convenient if you don't want to look over the barbed wire fences into Gaza and see the true carnage inflicted on a largely civilian population. Now THAT'S deflection right there. But you can sleep well at night at least." You do realise that sometimes you need to think about what you say before saying it. 'Carnage inflicted on a largely civillian population'... is one such phrase. ALL Urban wars inflict carnage on civillian populations, the clue is in the title, Urban. That's because that's where the civilian population lives. Name another Urban war that hasn't done this, anyone, anywhere in the world, during any period. Stalingrad, Cologne, Dresden, London, Hiroshima, Nagasaki all urban conflicts all created carnage, terrible loss of innocent civillian lives. And that's just from one conflict. As for your barbed wire fences, they were erected to keep Gazan suicide bombers out of Israel not to keep ordinary Palestinians in Gaza. 18,000 Palestinians crossed into Israel daily before Oct 7th. Do you think the barbed wire fences that Egypt erected, also to keep Gazans out of their country are OK, or should they be criticised too for wanting to control their borders? You are the gullible one if you believe this is a conflict of genocide, Hamas promote this idea by using 'human shields'. So you believe that Israel would rather kill innocent Palestinians in Gaza than kill Hamas terrorists? Ridiculous statement, you've fell hook line and sinker for terrorist propaganda. Why not come back with some rebuttal on the figures I've quoted? Only 2.5% of population in Gaza have been killed, which equates to only 1.25% of the total population of Palestinians in the region. These figures alone suggest they don't want to kill ordinary Palestinians, their goal is to eradicate Islamic terrorism and their threat to the state of Israel. Instead of being emotive, use logic, give actual empirical facts to back up your arguments. It's an emotive subject but using emotion does not strengthen your argument, without facts or reasoning it's not effective debating. Mrs x | |||
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"I have asked this question before, on another thread of a similar theme but I cant seem to find it?? Do Hamas still control Gaza, do they police and control social affairs? Is the answer to the question important or irrelevant? " To what extent I'm not sure. However I read an article the other day, in relation to aid being allowed into Gaza from Israel. The convoy they were reporting on, unfortunately, was hijacked by a known crime family in Gaza, resulting in the loss of 97 trucks. The article appeared to question why this happened, asking questions about the roles of Israel, Hamas and the UN in ensuring the aid got to where it was needed. By the responses given from all sides, blaming each other naturally, it appeared that Hamas is still in control but to what extent I don't know and the article was definitive about this. Not sure this helps but according to all sides Hamas are still in the game, Mrs x | |||
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"I have asked this question before, on another thread of a similar theme but I cant seem to find it?? Do Hamas still control Gaza, do they police and control social affairs? Is the answer to the question important or irrelevant? " From a BBC article from June 2024. Hamas faces growing public dissent as Gaza war erodes support. Is the title, put it in your search engine you should find it. | |||
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"When it comes to urban warfare, the civilian population become refugees, but if the population are kept within walls (trapped so to speak), then international law requests escape routes or ceasefires so the civil unarmed population can escape. This is the difference the population are being kept in not allowed to leave hence big civilian murders. Normal urban warfare, the unarmed are given a choice to leave." So they left Stalingrad, Dresden, Coventry, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Berlin, do you want to take a little time to think about what you've said and get back to me? As for the big civilian numbers, the numbers of civilian deaths have not exceed the acceptable numbers for such a conflict but don't let the truth get in the way of your narrative, Mrs c | |||
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""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion.OK say you are right, so say this same this same neutral visitor looked at Israel and saw the 2 million Palestinians living in peace in Israel, what would they think about that? You have never attempted to answer this, always avoided it. It cannot be Palestinians that they want to eradicate, from the 2 million in Israel, to the 'fact' that they have killed, as a result of a war that Hamas started, 1.25% of the total population of the Palestinians in the area, 98.75% are still alive, those are the facts. So what do you think is the answer to the question of why Israel allows 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully within their borders? Not just that why do they let them integrate fully, becoming politicians and supreme court judged, if they want to kill all Palestinians? Mrs x There's nothing to answer. There are Christians in Israel too. So what? many Muslim majority countries host minorities of Jews and Christians, and they mostly live in peace. tbh I don't see the connection to Israel's laying waste to Gaza and the 10,000s deaths of innocent non-combatants.You do know that following the creation of Israel, most Muslim countries kicked the Jewish population out of their countries. Over 850,000 Jews forcibly removed, property st@len, no compensation, more than the Nakba the Palestinians suffered by more than 100000. There's less than 28,000 Jews living in Muslim countries since 2019, and I should imagine there's less now following 7th October. So Muslim countries not really 'hosting' Jews, only Turkey and surprisingly Iran. But only in the thousands not the millions like Palestinians in Israel. As for not being able see the connection between Palestinians living peacefully in Israel and the devastation in Gaza and the thousands of civillian deaths, that's your issue and not why I responded to your post. You posted ...""Israel do not want to eradicate Palestinians just Islamic terrorists" I wish I shared your certainty on that statement. If a completely neutral onlooker visited Gaza, gathered the facts, I'm not sure they'd come to that conclusion." So I merely explained why I believe that Israel only want to kill Islamic terrorists. I then asked why there are 2 million Palestinians living in Israel peacefully, as an example that they don't want to kill Palestinians. I could point out that if their aims were to eradicate Palestinians then they could round up this group very easily and start with them. I could point out the atrocities of Nazism or the Bosnian War but I suspect you've seen how easily this was achieved by the rulers of these terrible regimes. Hats why I believe they only want to kill Islamic terrorism and not Palestinians. As for the terrible loss of innocent lives, it's a diabolic tactic by Hamas using human shields, deliberately putting their citizens in harms way to gain a propaganda advantage. Even after saying that the numbers killed have not exceeded the accepted numbers of deaths for an Urban war, which has accepted casualty figures which are higher than any other type of conflict. I don't expect you to believe this but you could do your own research on these figures. So the question, which you have avoided again, is purely about Israel not wanting to kill ordinary Palestinians because if they did why do they allow 2 million Palestinians to live peacefully in their country? Can't wait for your next deflection. Mrs x In summary, to take-in gullible people like you who've bought it hook, line and sinker. Convenient if you don't want to look over the barbed wire fences into Gaza and see the true carnage inflicted on a largely civilian population. Now THAT'S deflection right there. But you can sleep well at night at least.You do realise that sometimes you need to think about what you say before saying it. 'Carnage inflicted on a largely civillian population'... is one such phrase. ALL Urban wars inflict carnage on civillian populations, the clue is in the title, Urban. That's because that's where the civilian population lives. Name another Urban war that hasn't done this, anyone, anywhere in the world, during any period. Stalingrad, Cologne, Dresden, London, Hiroshima, Nagasaki all urban conflicts all created carnage, terrible loss of innocent civillian lives. And that's just from one conflict. As for your barbed wire fences, they were erected to keep Gazan suicide bombers out of Israel not to keep ordinary Palestinians in Gaza. 18,000 Palestinians crossed into Israel daily before Oct 7th. Do you think the barbed wire fences that Egypt erected, also to keep Gazans out of their country are OK, or should they be criticised too for wanting to control their borders? You are the gullible one if you believe this is a conflict of genocide, Hamas promote this idea by using 'human shields'. So you believe that Israel would rather kill innocent Palestinians in Gaza than kill Hamas terrorists? Ridiculous statement, you've fell hook line and sinker for terrorist propaganda. Why not come back with some rebuttal on the figures I've quoted? Only 2.5% of population in Gaza have been killed, which equates to only 1.25% of the total population of Palestinians in the region. These figures alone suggest they don't want to kill ordinary Palestinians, their goal is to eradicate Islamic terrorism and their threat to the state of Israel. Instead of being emotive, use logic, give actual empirical facts to back up your arguments. It's an emotive subject but using emotion does not strengthen your argument, without facts or reasoning it's not effective debating. Mrs x" Logical and analytical always, and leaning towards the UN position that there is a case to answer for genocide. The truth will out eventually, and culprits brought to account. | |||
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"I have asked this question before, on another thread of a similar theme but I cant seem to find it?? Do Hamas still control Gaza, do they police and control social affairs? Is the answer to the question important or irrelevant? From a BBC article from June 2024. Hamas faces growing public dissent as Gaza war erodes support. Is the title, put it in your search engine you should find it." From a BBC article: "The man in the video is beside himself, a mask of anguish radiating through his bloodied face. “I am an academic doctor,” he says, “I had a good life, but we have a filthy [Hamas] leadership. They got used to our bloodshed, may God curse them! They are scum!” The video - unthinkable before the Gaza war - was filmed outside a hospital, inundated with hundreds of Palestinian casualties after an Israeli operation to free hostages from central Gaza last month. Seconds before the video ends, he turns to the crowd. “I’m one of you,” he says, “but you are a cowardly people. We could have avoided this attack!” The video went viral. And it’s not the only one. An injured man in Gaza denounced the Hamas leadership's actions in a video shared on social media last month Open criticism of Hamas has been growing in Gaza, both on the streets and online. Some have publicly criticised Hamas for hiding the hostages in apartments near a busy marketplace, or for firing rockets from civilian areas. Residents have told the BBC that swearing and cursing against the Hamas leadership is now common in the markets, and that some drivers of donkey carts have even nicknamed their animals after the Hamas leader in Gaza - Yahya Sinwar - urging the donkeys forward with shouts of "Yallah, Sinwar!" “People say things like, ‘Hamas has destroyed us’ or even call on God to take their lives,” one man said. “They ask what the 7 October attacks were for - some say they were a gift to Israel.” Some are even urging their leaders to agree a ceasefire with Israel. There are still those in Gaza fiercely loyal to Hamas and after years of repressive control, it’s difficult to know how far the group is losing support, or how far existing opponents feel more able to speak their mind. But a senior Hamas official privately acknowledged to the BBC, months ago, that they were losing support as a result of the war. And even some on the group’s own payroll are wavering. One senior Hamas government employee told the BBC that the Hamas attacks were “a crazy, uncalculated leap”. He asked that we concealed his identity. “I know from my work with the Hamas government that it prepared well for the attack militarily, but it neglected the home front,” he said. “They did not build any safe shelters for people, they did not reserve enough food, fuel and medical supplies. If my family and I survive this war, I will leave Gaza, the first chance I get.”" Thanks for pointing out that article. So I'm not alone in saying the things I've said about Hamas, ordinary Palestinians and even senior Hamas officials are saying it to. Particularly that the people could have avoided the attacks, criticising hiding hostages in apartments and also for firing rockets from civilian areas and the senior Hamas official stating that Hamas did not provide any shelter for the civilians. This is most damning because it shows Hamas's true intent, they want, in fact they need civilian casualties to further their propagandist agenda. Hamas are savages and do not value woman and children's lives. So now it's not me saying this, what have you got to say about this? Mrs x | |||
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"Coventry, bombed during the night no warning. Nagasaki, bombed using nuclear weapon, surprise attack, as was Hiroshima. Berlin civilain population trapped as the Americans and allies were approaching from one side Russians the other leaving no safe escape route, and to escape meant no food or water, which was still available in the city. Dresden the most horrible attack which caused a firestorm many burned, surprise attack, no means of escape largely seen as a war crime. Bosina, population mostly rounded up for extermination, others did escaped seen as a war crime and the leader of those crimes tried and jailed I believe, just like our benny will when the warrant is executed "All no warnings, so how do you explain the leaflet drops Israel made warning of attacks? How do you feel about ordinary Palestinians saying they could have avoided these attacks and calling out others saying they are a 'cowardly people', like the guy from that article you referenced? Hamas wants civilian deaths, Mrs x | |||
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"I have asked this question before, on another thread of a similar theme but I cant seem to find it?? Do Hamas still control Gaza, do they police and control social affairs? Is the answer to the question important or irrelevant? From a BBC article from June 2024. Hamas faces growing public dissent as Gaza war erodes support. Is the title, put it in your search engine you should find it." Thanks, I have had a read and it emphasises the point I would like to make. Hamas, I assume has lost its grip on the people of Gaza? If that is the case, would it not be in Israel's best interest to push for a change in government? There needs to be a political resolution, a war can't bring an end to conflict alone. I would imagine hit and run gorilla warfare is probably the biggest challenge to the Israel right now, and that will not simply stop overnight, history shows us resistance fighters will continue. In my opinion a political direction of travel is now the only viable way forward. | |||
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