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Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.  |
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"...let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Sure!
Just not on our dime.
Come on ! Work is terrible, let them put it off as long as possible."
They can put it off as long as they want too, just don’t expect old grouches like me to sub them.  |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry. "
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke. |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke."
Is Johnny in the Hotel Trade ? |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke.
Is Johnny in the Hotel Trade ?"
Nope. How is this related to the misinformation in your post? |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke.
Is Johnny in the Hotel Trade ?
Nope. How is this related to the misinformation in your post?"
I'm just making conversation. |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke.
Is Johnny in the Hotel Trade ?
Nope. How is this related to the misinformation in your post?
I'm just making conversation. "
Nice.
Is Leo in the hotel trade? |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke.
Is Johnny in the Hotel Trade ?
Nope. How is this related to the misinformation in your post?
I'm just making conversation.
Nice.
Is Leo in the hotel trade?"
No but I enjoy an occasional liason in a Travelodge so I do my bit to support them. The all you can eat breakfasts are better in Premier Inn though.🥐🍳🥓 |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry. "
Didn't the previous government propose something very similar and were criticised for it or am I mistaken? I presume those in hotels refers to the asylum seekers. I think until their case is resolved they will not be on the unemployment system. |
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke.
Is Johnny in the Hotel Trade ?
Nope. How is this related to the misinformation in your post?
I'm just making conversation.
Nice.
Is Leo in the hotel trade?
No but I enjoy an occasional liason in a Travelodge so I do my bit to support them. The all you can eat breakfasts are better in Premier Inn though.🥐🍳🥓"
Premier Inn breakfasts are usually disappointing. |
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By *os19Man 2 weeks ago
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Unless there are health issues , disability then everyone from 18-59 should work or be looking for work.At 60 we should be entitled to take our state pension.I know it’s not going to happen but that’s how I feel. |
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This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sense |
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In April to June 2024 there were 872,000 people aged 16-24 who were not in employment, education or training, 12.2% of all 16-24 year olds.
872,000 what are they all doing?
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sense"
childchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear "
PIP, why? Mrs x |
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"In April to June 2024 there were 872,000 people aged 16-24 who were not in employment, education or training, 12.2% of all 16-24 year olds.
872,000 what are they all doing?"
Most of them are desperately hunting for jobs, and getting turned down everywhere. There simply aren't that many jobs available for untrained youngsters.
It'll only get worse with the increase in the minimum wage, which will make young people even less employable. |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear PIP, why? Mrs x"
close friend ex neigbour is on pip and he even admits that he cant afford to go back to working now |
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"In April to June 2024 there were 872,000 people aged 16-24 who were not in employment, education or training, 12.2% of all 16-24 year olds.
872,000 what are they all doing?
Most of them are desperately hunting for jobs, and getting turned down everywhere. There simply aren't that many jobs available for untrained youngsters.
It'll only get worse with the increase in the minimum wage, which will make young people even less employable."
Most of them? I can't comment on your neck of the woods but it's certainly not the case in my experience |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear PIP, why? Mrs xclose friend ex neigbour is on pip and he even admits that he cant afford to go back to working now "
Why? It's only about £700 a month isn't it? Mrs x |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear PIP, why? Mrs xclose friend ex neigbour is on pip and he even admits that he cant afford to go back to working now "
You can still receive pip when working. |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. "
Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs x |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs x"
nope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs x"
That depends on individual circumstances I'd imagine.
A single mother of young children certainly wouldn't be better off unless she had free childcare (that might be available, I have no idea) |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets "
also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets "
On those figures he's definitely better off working, benefits aren't going to come in at around 3500 per month and he has the PIP payment too which he wouldn't lose. Mrs x |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets On those figures he's definitely better off working, benefits aren't going to come in at around 3500 per month and he has the PIP payment too which he wouldn't lose. Mrs x"
possibly but say 3200 working with approx 2500 a month bills??? Or 1200 spare a month with all bills paid and you dont have to work 🤷dont get me wrong his breathing is bad but he can drive around in his camper all day |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse "
But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs x |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets On those figures he's definitely better off working, benefits aren't going to come in at around 3500 per month and he has the PIP payment too which he wouldn't lose. Mrs xpossibly but say 3200 working with approx 2500 a month bills??? Or 1200 spare a month with all bills paid and you dont have to work 🤷dont get me wrong his breathing is bad but he can drive around in his camper all day"
Where are you getting the figures from for his bill, especially when you say all bills paid because benefits don't pay bills, other than rent and that's locked down as tight as can be. All other bills are your neighbours responsibility, he won't get extra for energy, utilities, water, food etc. He may be able to claim council tax relief but even that's mean tested now. So where are you getting the estimated for all bills paid? Mrs x |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs x"
no this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, |
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The ONS have said that the reintroduced LFS estimates should be treated with additional caution, and that the quarterly change estimates are particularly volatile.
In July to September 2024:
there were 627,000 young people aged 16 to 24 who were unemployed, 128,000 more than the previous year. The unemployment rate for young people was 14.8%, up from 12.1% from the year before.
there were 3.60 million young people aged 16 to 24 in employment, 46,000 less than the previous year. The employment rate for young people was 50.0%, down from 51.3% the year before.
there were 2.96 million young people aged 16 to 24 who were economically inactive, 10,000 more than the previous year. This is close to the highest recorded number since the current series began in 1992.
However, the inactivity rate for young people was 41.2%, down slightly from 41.6% in the previous year. (12nov2024 House Commons library)
Why so many, education, poverty, life chances, illness, criminal record, society failed them all ?
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs xno this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, "
But benefits are not as lucrative as you seem to think. He would always be better off working, unless he's not being honest with you. Either exaggerating what he's claiming or getting money from elsewhere.
Is he married?
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs xno this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, But benefits are not as lucrative as you seem to think. He would always be better off working, unless he's not being honest with you. Either exaggerating what he's claiming or getting money from elsewhere.
Is he married?
Mrs x"
The figures for UC are as follows for this financial year.
The standard monthly Universal Credit (UC) allowance for a single person or couple in the 2024/25 tax year is:
Single and under 25: £311.68
Single and 25 or over: £393.45
Couple, both under 25: £489.23 (total for both)
Couple, either person 25 or over: £617.60 (total for both)
So if he's single he'll have an annual amount of benefit of between 3740.16 or 4721.40
If he's married its a joint amount for the year of between 5870.86 or 7412.40.
So say he rents he'll be able to claim for a one bedroom rate at 450 per month based on figures in Bradford. So thats another 5400.
And say he claims all his council tax allowance, in band c that's another 1850.
So in total he can get a maximum of 14,662.
So he'd be much better off working, much better off. Using your figures of 800 a week, that's 41,600. That's almost 27,000 pounds more a year by working.
So not sure he's telling you the while truth.
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear PIP, why? Mrs xclose friend ex neigbour is on pip and he even admits that he cant afford to go back to working now "
I think the maximum PIP award is around £750 every 4 weeks. Your neighbour must be on other benefits as well as PIP if he can't afford to go back to working now.... |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear PIP, why? Mrs xclose friend ex neigbour is on pip and he even admits that he cant afford to go back to working now
I think the maximum PIP award is around £750 every 4 weeks. Your neighbour must be on other benefits as well as PIP if he can't afford to go back to working now...."
And/or he is lying and working cash in hand. |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear PIP, why? Mrs xclose friend ex neigbour is on pip and he even admits that he cant afford to go back to working now
I think the maximum PIP award is around £750 every 4 weeks. Your neighbour must be on other benefits as well as PIP if he can't afford to go back to working now...."
He'd be thousands of pounds better off by working, thousands, it's a misconception people are better off on benefits, Mrs x |
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs xno this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, But benefits are not as lucrative as you seem to think. He would always be better off working, unless he's not being honest with you. Either exaggerating what he's claiming or getting money from elsewhere.
Is he married?
Mrs xThe figures for UC are as follows for this financial year.
The standard monthly Universal Credit (UC) allowance for a single person or couple in the 2024/25 tax year is:
Single and under 25: £311.68
Single and 25 or over: £393.45
Couple, both under 25: £489.23 (total for both)
Couple, either person 25 or over: £617.60 (total for both)
So if he's single he'll have an annual amount of benefit of between 3740.16 or 4721.40
If he's married its a joint amount for the year of between 5870.86 or 7412.40.
So say he rents he'll be able to claim for a one bedroom rate at 450 per month based on figures in Bradford. So thats another 5400.
And say he claims all his council tax allowance, in band c that's another 1850.
So in total he can get a maximum of 14,662.
So he'd be much better off working, much better off. Using your figures of 800 a week, that's 41,600. That's almost 27,000 pounds more a year by working.
So not sure he's telling you the while truth.
Mrs x"
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/benefit-and-pension-rates-2024-to-2025/benefit-and-pension-rates-2024-to-2025 |
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By *ty31Man 2 weeks ago
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"Benefit amounts are a joke, how anyone can have a decent standard of living from benefits is beyond me, Mrs x"
The problem with the benefits system is that too many people are on it who shouldn't be so the persons who really need the support don't get enough.
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs xno this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, But benefits are not as lucrative as you seem to think. He would always be better off working, unless he's not being honest with you. Either exaggerating what he's claiming or getting money from elsewhere.
Is he married?
Mrs xThe figures for UC are as follows for this financial year.
The standard monthly Universal Credit (UC) allowance for a single person or couple in the 2024/25 tax year is:
Single and under 25: £311.68
Single and 25 or over: £393.45
Couple, both under 25: £489.23 (total for both)
Couple, either person 25 or over: £617.60 (total for both)
So if he's single he'll have an annual amount of benefit of between 3740.16 or 4721.40
If he's married its a joint amount for the year of between 5870.86 or 7412.40.
So say he rents he'll be able to claim for a one bedroom rate at 450 per month based on figures in Bradford. So thats another 5400.
And say he claims all his council tax allowance, in band c that's another 1850.
So in total he can get a maximum of 14,662.
So he'd be much better off working, much better off. Using your figures of 800 a week, that's 41,600. That's almost 27,000 pounds more a year by working.
So not sure he's telling you the while truth.
Mrs x"
so hes around 50 single no kids, he is diagnosed with copd so may get some form of disability ontop which he were looking at getting a car but decided to keep his and the higher payments instead, and he hasnt ever disclosed what he gets but i know him very well and he dosent work at all other than tinker with his car and camper, i just know from his lifestyle and habits he does very very well for not working compaired to most working families |
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"Benefit amounts are a joke, how anyone can have a decent standard of living from benefits is beyond me, Mrs x
The problem with the benefits system is that too many people are on it who shouldn't be so the persons who really need the support don't get enough.
"
That's another misconception, how are those that need it going to get more if those that don't are stopped from claiming.
Those that need it should already be getting the 'right' amounts, they won't be getting more.
The problem is benefit levels are white because those that need them are an easy target, lazy bastards, spongers, benefit cheats etc.
Society should help those in need not castigated and ostracise them.
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs xno this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, But benefits are not as lucrative as you seem to think. He would always be better off working, unless he's not being honest with you. Either exaggerating what he's claiming or getting money from elsewhere.
Is he married?
Mrs xThe figures for UC are as follows for this financial year.
The standard monthly Universal Credit (UC) allowance for a single person or couple in the 2024/25 tax year is:
Single and under 25: £311.68
Single and 25 or over: £393.45
Couple, both under 25: £489.23 (total for both)
Couple, either person 25 or over: £617.60 (total for both)
So if he's single he'll have an annual amount of benefit of between 3740.16 or 4721.40
If he's married its a joint amount for the year of between 5870.86 or 7412.40.
So say he rents he'll be able to claim for a one bedroom rate at 450 per month based on figures in Bradford. So thats another 5400.
And say he claims all his council tax allowance, in band c that's another 1850.
So in total he can get a maximum of 14,662.
So he'd be much better off working, much better off. Using your figures of 800 a week, that's 41,600. That's almost 27,000 pounds more a year by working.
So not sure he's telling you the while truth.
Mrs xso hes around 50 single no kids, he is diagnosed with copd so may get some form of disability ontop which he were looking at getting a car but decided to keep his and the higher payments instead, and he hasnt ever disclosed what he gets but i know him very well and he dosent work at all other than tinker with his car and camper, i just know from his lifestyle and habits he does very very well for not working compaired to most working families "
So those are the correct figures for benefits, so we're else is he getting money from? If he's disabled he could be claiming LCRWA and that's about another 5,000 a year.
So he will still be thousands of pounds off by working. Not included any PIP benefit because he'd get the same whether he was working or not.
He cannot be getting the amount you are suggesting he's getting from benefits.
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs xno this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, But benefits are not as lucrative as you seem to think. He would always be better off working, unless he's not being honest with you. Either exaggerating what he's claiming or getting money from elsewhere.
Is he married?
Mrs xThe figures for UC are as follows for this financial year.
The standard monthly Universal Credit (UC) allowance for a single person or couple in the 2024/25 tax year is:
Single and under 25: £311.68
Single and 25 or over: £393.45
Couple, both under 25: £489.23 (total for both)
Couple, either person 25 or over: £617.60 (total for both)
So if he's single he'll have an annual amount of benefit of between 3740.16 or 4721.40
If he's married its a joint amount for the year of between 5870.86 or 7412.40.
So say he rents he'll be able to claim for a one bedroom rate at 450 per month based on figures in Bradford. So thats another 5400.
And say he claims all his council tax allowance, in band c that's another 1850.
So in total he can get a maximum of 14,662.
So he'd be much better off working, much better off. Using your figures of 800 a week, that's 41,600. That's almost 27,000 pounds more a year by working.
So not sure he's telling you the while truth.
Mrs xso hes around 50 single no kids, he is diagnosed with copd so may get some form of disability ontop which he were looking at getting a car but decided to keep his and the higher payments instead, and he hasnt ever disclosed what he gets but i know him very well and he dosent work at all other than tinker with his car and camper, i just know from his lifestyle and habits he does very very well for not working compaired to most working families So those are the correct figures for benefits, so we're else is he getting money from? If he's disabled he could be claiming LCRWA and that's about another 5,000 a year.
So he will still be thousands of pounds off by working. Not included any PIP benefit because he'd get the same whether he was working or not.
He cannot be getting the amount you are suggesting he's getting from benefits.
Mrs x"
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets also know a lad who is a brilliant stone mason doing carving work ect who is now an alki in spoons everyday on pip/uc whatever benefits i know for certain i cpuldnt afford it and i bring in a decent wage and wifes a band 6 nurse But you are making assumptions without knowing all aspects of his finances. If he's an alcoholic is he paying all his bills, rent etc. He may be able to afford it because he's neglecting other aspects of his life. I don't know either but no chooses to go on benefits because they will be better off. Mrs xno this one isnt a drinker and bills arent probably that high more like 2k a month my point without asking him for a bank statement is he lives a very comfortable life for someone who dosent work, i know he had no savings,assets or other incomes and since been "on benifits" now has a motorhome and a daily car with the luxuries of phone contracts sky Netflixs ect, But benefits are not as lucrative as you seem to think. He would always be better off working, unless he's not being honest with you. Either exaggerating what he's claiming or getting money from elsewhere.
Is he married?
Mrs xThe figures for UC are as follows for this financial year.
The standard monthly Universal Credit (UC) allowance for a single person or couple in the 2024/25 tax year is:
Single and under 25: £311.68
Single and 25 or over: £393.45
Couple, both under 25: £489.23 (total for both)
Couple, either person 25 or over: £617.60 (total for both)
So if he's single he'll have an annual amount of benefit of between 3740.16 or 4721.40
If he's married its a joint amount for the year of between 5870.86 or 7412.40.
So say he rents he'll be able to claim for a one bedroom rate at 450 per month based on figures in Bradford. So thats another 5400.
And say he claims all his council tax allowance, in band c that's another 1850.
So in total he can get a maximum of 14,662.
So he'd be much better off working, much better off. Using your figures of 800 a week, that's 41,600. That's almost 27,000 pounds more a year by working.
So not sure he's telling you the while truth.
Mrs xso hes around 50 single no kids, he is diagnosed with copd so may get some form of disability ontop which he were looking at getting a car but decided to keep his and the higher payments instead, and he hasnt ever disclosed what he gets but i know him very well and he dosent work at all other than tinker with his car and camper, i just know from his lifestyle and habits he does very very well for not working compaired to most working families So those are the correct figures for benefits, so we're else is he getting money from? If he's disabled he could be claiming LCRWA and that's about another 5,000 a year.
So he will still be thousands of pounds off by working. Not included any PIP benefit because he'd get the same whether he was working or not.
He cannot be getting the amount you are suggesting he's getting from benefits.
Mrs xhe must be a secret millionaire then renting a flat in halifax lol "
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It wouldn't work, we'd end up with shoddy workmanship all over the place.
From the experience I've had from training people if someone hasn't got the the aptitude or interest in learning and working you're not going to get anywhere with them. You can't force people to do anything, Hitler tried it and failed abysmally.
The work place is too much of a battle ground, bullying, personel agendas and politics.
Until the government solve those issues first nothing will improve.
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"In April to June 2024 there were 872,000 people aged 16-24 who were not in employment, education or training, 12.2% of all 16-24 year olds.
872,000 what are they all doing?
(12Nov2024. House commons library) "
They were all in the library? Wow, big library  |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear "
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"Just realised that myself, so should be better off not worse, Mrs x
He may have confused pip with uc. Yeah but surely you'll still be better off working, benefit amounts aren't great are they? Mrs xnope certainly pip and obvs they're means tested, he were a subby plasterer so would be on at least 800 a week now after deductions and drives around with a motorhome and nice honda car, he did tell me a while ago his weekly spare cash after his bills ect and im sure it were 300ish so who knows what he gets "
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"Benefit amounts are a joke, how anyone can have a decent standard of living from benefits is beyond me, Mrs x
The problem with the benefits system is that too many people are on it who shouldn't be so the persons who really need the support don't get enough.
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"Benefit amounts are a joke, how anyone can have a decent standard of living from benefits is beyond me, Mrs x"
I couldn't agree more if I tried.
Anyone who thinks people on benefits are living the life of Riley hasn't got a clue.
I've been signed off sick for nearly three months. No idea when I'll be back at work.
I get SSP.
SSP doesn't cover council tax and utility bills let alone anything else.
Can't get a penny out of Universal Credit yet, although I "might" next month. Not holding my breath.
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"Benefit amounts are a joke, how anyone can have a decent standard of living from benefits is beyond me, Mrs x
I couldn't agree more if I tried.
Anyone who thinks people on benefits are living the life of Riley hasn't got a clue.
I've been signed off sick for nearly three months. No idea when I'll be back at work.
I get SSP.
SSP doesn't cover council tax and utility bills let alone anything else.
Can't get a penny out of Universal Credit yet, although I "might" next month. Not holding my breath.
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Good luck with that, sounds rotten. |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities."
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Pretty much every economist (except Rachel Reeves) and business person says the rises in NH contributions and minimum wage will hit recruitment of young people hard. At same time us oldies are expected to work to 70 and who knows how many jobs will be lost to AI.
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"Labour Govt is proposing that all young people must be in work or training or lose all benefits, although apparently this won’t apply to recent arrivals bunked up in 5 star hotels.
But isn't youth a time for enjoying yourself and not being tied to the 9 to 5 as soon as you leave school ? Is this just another example of Labour's Fun Police in action ?
There's plenty of energetic oldies like me to fill the vacancies, let the youngsters eat, drink and be merry.
Good work shoehorning in some irrelevant and completely false anti-immigrant nonsense into this news.
Very woke.
Is Johnny in the Hotel Trade ?"
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x"
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. |
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Plenty of jobs for untrained young people, they may not be wonderful vocations but they are there.
Care homes
Cleaning
Fast food
Entry level retail
Warehouse order pickers
Landscaping
Labouring
Now....
Want to take a punt at the correlation of foreign people applying for, and happy to do this work, and British applicants?
"In April to June 2024 there were 872,000 people aged 16-24 who were not in employment, education or training, 12.2% of all 16-24 year olds.
872,000 what are they all doing?
Most of them are desperately hunting for jobs, and getting turned down everywhere. There simply aren't that many jobs available for untrained youngsters.
It'll only get worse with the increase in the minimum wage, which will make young people even less employable."
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AI can't replace loads of jobs.
Just a brief example:
Hairdresser
Hole digger
Bar tender
Dancer
Roofer
And many many more...
So making excuses for them because of AI does not fly.
Problem is many many youngsters now ambitions lay in sitting behind a screen playing games or recording themselves as "influences" few want to do actual manual work, which is one of the reasons the service industry for example is struggling get staff following Brexit all the cheap European labour fucked off and many of our unskilled people don't want to "lower" themselves to do a job that they see as beneath them.
Entitled and lazy spring to mind
NOT ALL OBVIOUSLY but many won't entertain the idea of doing a job that's actually hard work, see farm's, hotels, retail industry that has always relied on school leavers struggling to get staff.
Plus this obsession that's become out of control with everyone having to have a degree via university.
All this does is devalue the qualification if everyone has one how does it hold any weight?
Surely for many jobs experience and the ability to prove reliable is more important than a sociology degree?
We've been enabling laziness and entitlement for too long.
If someone doesn't want to work then I'm not paying for them to sit on their arses.
And using mental health as an excuse doesn't fly either.
Many millions of people work with mental health issues and get by,why should they be any different?
Let's be honest we all have mental health issues one way or another I've been working with severe depression for forty years,yeah some days you can't do it but most days you just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other and keep moving. |
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"AI can't replace loads of jobs.
Just a brief example:
Hairdresser
Hole digger
Bar tender
Dancer
Roofer
And many many more...
So making excuses for them because of AI does not fly.
Problem is many many youngsters now ambitions lay in sitting behind a screen playing games or recording themselves as "influences" few want to do actual manual work, which is one of the reasons the service industry for example is struggling get staff following Brexit all the cheap European labour fucked off and many of our unskilled people don't want to "lower" themselves to do a job that they see as beneath them.
Entitled and lazy spring to mind
NOT ALL OBVIOUSLY but many won't entertain the idea of doing a job that's actually hard work, see farm's, hotels, retail industry that has always relied on school leavers struggling to get staff.
Plus this obsession that's become out of control with everyone having to have a degree via university.
All this does is devalue the qualification if everyone has one how does it hold any weight?
Surely for many jobs experience and the ability to prove reliable is more important than a sociology degree?
We've been enabling laziness and entitlement for too long.
If someone doesn't want to work then I'm not paying for them to sit on their arses.
And using mental health as an excuse doesn't fly either.
Many millions of people work with mental health issues and get by,why should they be any different?
Let's be honest we all have mental health issues one way or another I've been working with severe depression for forty years,yeah some days you can't do it but most days you just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other and keep moving."
Doesn't AI run autopilot on planes and would therefore fly? |
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"Plenty of jobs for untrained young people, they may not be wonderful vocations but they are there.
Care homes
Cleaning
Fast food
Entry level retail
Warehouse order pickers
Landscaping
Labouring
Now....
Want to take a punt at the correlation of foreign people applying for, and happy to do this work, and British applicants?
In April to June 2024 there were 872,000 people aged 16-24 who were not in employment, education or training, 12.2% of all 16-24 year olds.
872,000 what are they all doing?
Most of them are desperately hunting for jobs, and getting turned down everywhere. There simply aren't that many jobs available for untrained youngsters.
It'll only get worse with the increase in the minimum wage, which will make young people even less employable."
Foreign people or non white British? Us white brits - lazy fuckers (although I'll have you know I work too hard  ) |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one."
But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
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"AI can't replace loads of jobs.
Just a brief example:
Hairdresser
Hole digger
Bar tender
Dancer
Roofer
And many many more...
So making excuses for them because of AI does not fly.
Problem is many many youngsters now ambitions lay in sitting behind a screen playing games or recording themselves as "influences" few want to do actual manual work, which is one of the reasons the service industry for example is struggling get staff following Brexit all the cheap European labour fucked off and many of our unskilled people don't want to "lower" themselves to do a job that they see as beneath them.
Entitled and lazy spring to mind
NOT ALL OBVIOUSLY but many won't entertain the idea of doing a job that's actually hard work, see farm's, hotels, retail industry that has always relied on school leavers struggling to get staff.
Plus this obsession that's become out of control with everyone having to have a degree via university.
All this does is devalue the qualification if everyone has one how does it hold any weight?
Surely for many jobs experience and the ability to prove reliable is more important than a sociology degree?
We've been enabling laziness and entitlement for too long.
If someone doesn't want to work then I'm not paying for them to sit on their arses.
And using mental health as an excuse doesn't fly either.
Many millions of people work with mental health issues and get by,why should they be any different?
Let's be honest we all have mental health issues one way or another I've been working with severe depression for forty years,yeah some days you can't do it but most days you just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other and keep moving.
Doesn't AI run autopilot on planes and would therefore fly? "
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x"
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week  .
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment."
You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x"
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence. |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence."
It's a question of interpretation, the assessors over the tribunal, Mrs x |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence."
There are plenty of guides on how you should 'word' your application that should help you achieve more success initially. Also it's the quality and volume of medical reports supporting your case that weighs heavily on the initial judgement.
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So my theory that could or couldnt work is that when your born you're assinged 1 big pot, healthcare dental benifits and pension ect even schooling, throughout your life you pay for these things, if you work and pay your tax and contributions you top up your pot and when you come to retire if your lucky enough to get there your pot is what you retire with |
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"So my theory that could or couldnt work is that when your born you're assinged 1 big pot, healthcare dental benifits and pension ect even schooling, throughout your life you pay for these things, if you work and pay your tax and contributions you top up your pot and when you come to retire if your lucky enough to get there your pot is what you retire with "
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"So my theory that could or couldnt work is that when your born you're assinged 1 big pot, healthcare dental benifits and pension ect even schooling, throughout your life you pay for these things, if you work and pay your tax and contributions you top up your pot and when you come to retire if your lucky enough to get there your pot is what you retire with
That's an excellent idea. "
im sure there would be a lot more involved but the basic principle is, look after yourself work hard and you will retire quite well,not sure what the verdict would be when the pot ran out but people need to take responsibility for themselves and their children 🤷tough shit is a saying that springs to mind |
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"So my theory that could or couldnt work is that when your born you're assinged 1 big pot, healthcare dental benifits and pension ect even schooling, throughout your life you pay for these things, if you work and pay your tax and contributions you top up your pot and when you come to retire if your lucky enough to get there your pot is what you retire with
That's an excellent idea. im sure there would be a lot more involved but the basic principle is, look after yourself work hard and you will retire quite well,not sure what the verdict would be when the pot ran out but people need to take responsibility for themselves and their children 🤷tough shit is a saying that springs to mind"
It would only work if the safety nets were removed, otherwise people would carry on doing what they are doing now, blow what they’ve got and fuck the consequences because the state steps in to support you.
As you say, people need to be responsible for themselves. |
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"So my theory that could or couldnt work is that when your born you're assinged 1 big pot, healthcare dental benifits and pension ect even schooling, throughout your life you pay for these things, if you work and pay your tax and contributions you top up your pot and when you come to retire if your lucky enough to get there your pot is what you retire with
That's an excellent idea. im sure there would be a lot more involved but the basic principle is, look after yourself work hard and you will retire quite well,not sure what the verdict would be when the pot ran out but people need to take responsibility for themselves and their children 🤷tough shit is a saying that springs to mind
It would only work if the safety nets were removed, otherwise people would carry on doing what they are doing now, blow what they’ve got and fuck the consequences because the state steps in to support you.
As you say, people need to be responsible for themselves. "
probably get a load of abuse but the safety nets are the problem it would have to be cruel to be kind with a pay in to get out system and if you end up in an unfortunate position then its hard luck 🤷 |
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Not working or being in education is simply not an option I allowed for my eldest.
They did GCSE and Alevels during the covid years. Took a year out to work part time in 2 jobs.
They are now studying for a vocational degree with placements as well as doing casual work. Living away from home.
They have anxiety and mental health issues so sitting around doing nothing doesn't help them. I helped them get the right support and now they manage their mental health really well.
Young people should be given support and every incentive to work or study rather than be given benefits.
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Just treat them like they treat those paying to be here through visa's. No recourse to public funds. Most MPs when asked what that even meant didn't have a clue themselves. So quick lesson.. Visas allow a person to work and they are also paying tax,paying national insurance, paying for medical, and for over 7 years you're not eligible for ANY benefits spouse or the person on the visa.
SOO... for those that are capable of working and who just so happen to be born here yet simply refuses to work because benefits are thrown out like candy treats.
Treat them similarly as those with no recourse to public funds.
Make it so that they are not eligible for benefits until they have 5 years of Full national insurance contributions per every 1 year of unemployment benefits they receive.
For those claiming mental or physical illness they should be required to be in therapy/volunteering and given credits towards the contribution requirements along with PT work as their option.
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UBI for those that do not wish to work.
Work is not compulsory as far as I know ?
Some folks do not wish to work. That's their choice surely ? They might have a billion and one reasons they do not wish to work. That's irrelevant. The moment you ask about reasons, is the moment you move in to value judgement territory.
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Each person who does not join the labour pool creates an opening for someone else who does wish to join. Less competition for those seeking work.
A smaller labour pool also creates worker scarcity, so employers have to pay better wages. Higher salaries means more spending power for consumers. Companies like that.
More consumption = higher tax take and there's your UBI.
Offset by indirect jobs some of the non-workers may do to pass their time if they deem it. Caring / public/civic volunteering, etc.
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The current system of a few individuals hoovering up every nickel and dime is not sustainable in the long term and will reach, if it hasn't already, a critical mass. Something has to give.
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"UBI for those that do not wish to work.
Work is not compulsory as far as I know ?
Some folks do not wish to work. That's their choice surely ? They might have a billion and one reasons they do not wish to work. That's irrelevant.
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People have the right to choose not to work ... for those that choose not to work they should not be entitled to benefits.
For those who can not work, or where a job genuinely can not be found then that is where benefits is a safety net. |
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"Not working or being in education is simply not an option I allowed for my eldest.
They did GCSE and Alevels during the covid years. Took a year out to work part time in 2 jobs.
They are now studying for a vocational degree with placements as well as doing casual work. Living away from home.
They have anxiety and mental health issues so sitting around doing nothing doesn't help them. I helped them get the right support and now they manage their mental health really well.
Young people should be given support and every incentive to work or study rather than be given benefits.
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence.It's a question of interpretation, the assessors over the tribunal, Mrs x"
More likely how they are taught to interpret. Most assessors nowadays (if not all) are nurses and they do six weeks of training before they get to assess. At least one member of the tribunal panel is a doctor. |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence.There are plenty of guides on how you should 'word' your application that should help you achieve more success initially. Also it's the quality and volume of medical reports supporting your case that weighs heavily on the initial judgement.
Mrs x"
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"Just treat them like they treat those paying to be here through visa's. No recourse to public funds. Most MPs when asked what that even meant didn't have a clue themselves. So quick lesson.. Visas allow a person to work and they are also paying tax,paying national insurance, paying for medical, and for over 7 years you're not eligible for ANY benefits spouse or the person on the visa.
SOO... for those that are capable of working and who just so happen to be born here yet simply refuses to work because benefits are thrown out like candy treats.
Treat them similarly as those with no recourse to public funds.
Make it so that they are not eligible for benefits until they have 5 years of Full national insurance contributions per every 1 year of unemployment benefits they receive.
For those claiming mental or physical illness they should be required to be in therapy/volunteering and given credits towards the contribution requirements along with PT work as their option.
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Therapy .
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence.There are plenty of guides on how you should 'word' your application that should help you achieve more success initially. Also it's the quality and volume of medical reports supporting your case that weighs heavily on the initial judgement.
Mrs x
I know. This is my second trip around the sun. "
I've helped a few people fill in their forms and have not been declined yet. Mrs x |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence.There are plenty of guides on how you should 'word' your application that should help you achieve more success initially. Also it's the quality and volume of medical reports supporting your case that weighs heavily on the initial judgement.
Mrs x
I know. This is my second trip around the sun. I've helped a few people fill in their forms and have not been declined yet. Mrs x"
The first time around I filled in my form. Being a nurse I was able to explication everything. My assessor was a layman and ignored "community" nurse and stated since I was on my feet all day on a ward...
And cos I articulated well...
Twat didn't know his arse from his elbow. Zero points. Tribunal gave me 4 points.
Moving on, I had help from adult social services, benefits advisor. Writing about 10% of what I did and got 6 points. And omitting points from ignored evidence. Minimum due is 8, which I meet criteria. |
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"This is actually a good idea somewhat
If they weren’t absolute idiots on illegals they could even sell it well
Our country is already struggling with too many on state benefits.Making sure we’re not adding any more makes quite a bit of sensechildchare for working parents needs sorting out too, then once you leave school its a job or zilch unless physically medically unable to work not no "i identify as a sofa shite" and also pip needs addressing from people i know of and stories i hear
I agree about PIP. Some of us work with disabilities.So are you saying PIP should be replaced? Mrs x
Overhauled. Same with work capability assessment. You cannot get one if you're working but you can work with one. But isn't that the point of these benefits. One means you can't work and are exempt from having to look for work, that's the work capability and.
PIP is given to cover expenses that disabled people have to pay just to live their lives, over and above able bodied people.
If that's the case then both are justified, surely?
Mrs x
PIP - tribunals overturn majority of refused claims (I started my claim over a year ago). Assessors don't know that 4 days = more than 50% of the week .
Re work capability, more people will feign sick to get an assessment.You have to have medical reports to be successful for work capability.
Did you challenge there version of percentage of the week and did you get an award.
Lots of people don't get awarded PIP initially. So what would you do differently?
Mrs x
I'm waiting for a date for the tribunal.
I would find out what the common factor is for why points aren't being allotted by the assessors but are by the tribunal when they go on the same evidence.There are plenty of guides on how you should 'word' your application that should help you achieve more success initially. Also it's the quality and volume of medical reports supporting your case that weighs heavily on the initial judgement.
Mrs x
I know. This is my second trip around the sun. I've helped a few people fill in their forms and have not been declined yet. Mrs x
The first time around I filled in my form. Being a nurse I was able to explication everything. My assessor was a layman and ignored "community" nurse and stated since I was on my feet all day on a ward...
And cos I articulated well...
Twat didn't know his arse from his elbow. Zero points. Tribunal gave me 4 points.
Moving on, I had help from adult social services, benefits advisor. Writing about 10% of what I did and got 6 points. And omitting points from ignored evidence. Minimum due is 8, which I meet criteria."
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