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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago
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Ryanair won't be offering flights at rock bottom prices any more thanks to the soaring cost of fuel, the budget airline's boss has admitted.
The airline's average fare would rise from around €40 (£33.75) last year to roughly €50 over the next five years, he told the BBC.
Is this still too low a price to pay to destroy our planet? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
The reality is Ryanair rarely sold a flight for €10. That was always the headline price, once you added on the far more expensive return flight, 99.999% want to come back! Add a seat and baggage the average EU flight price is close to €300 return to the UK.
The sceptic in me thinks O'Leary has timed this just right for a quick boost in sales, for next year or winter sun this year... |
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"Is this still too low a price to pay to destroy our planet?"
Yes it is still too low. Aircraft fuel should be taxed at the same rate as road fuel (or more as emissions into the upper atmosphere are more harmful). People should then pay the true cost of flying. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Is this still too low a price to pay to destroy our planet?
Yes it is still too low. Aircraft fuel should be taxed at the same rate as road fuel (or more as emissions into the upper atmosphere are more harmful). People should then pay the true cost of flying."
If tax was to be applied aviation fuel, how would that impact the wider view of the air industry, in terms of import / exports of cargo?
Could this tax also drive inflation to all time highs, or would there be a plan to avoid that? |
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"Is this still too low a price to pay to destroy our planet?
Yes it is still too low. Aircraft fuel should be taxed at the same rate as road fuel (or more as emissions into the upper atmosphere are more harmful). People should then pay the true cost of flying.
If tax was to be applied aviation fuel, how would that impact the wider view of the air industry, in terms of import / exports of cargo?
Could this tax also drive inflation to all time highs, or would there be a plan to avoid that?"
Live life slower. Eat food in season. The price of air freight would rise, but it is not essential. If you need something so desperately you will have to pay. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Is this still too low a price to pay to destroy our planet?
Yes it is still too low. Aircraft fuel should be taxed at the same rate as road fuel (or more as emissions into the upper atmosphere are more harmful). People should then pay the true cost of flying.
If tax was to be applied aviation fuel, how would that impact the wider view of the air industry, in terms of import / exports of cargo?
Could this tax also drive inflation to all time highs, or would there be a plan to avoid that?
Live life slower. Eat food in season. The price of air freight would rise, but it is not essential. If you need something so desperately you will have to pay."
This is idealistic and not a reality. The world is now a global market as seen with food shortages, an effect of the Ukrainian war, the ship grounding in the Suez canal bringing shortages.
New technologies are needed, rather than trying to reverse into the past. |
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"This is idealistic and not a reality. The world is now a global market as seen with food shortages, an effect of the Ukrainian war, the ship grounding in the Suez canal bringing shortages.
New technologies are needed, rather than trying to reverse into the past."
No, we need to reduce our reliance on cheap manufacturing, which is only cheap because of poor labour and environmental standards. Buy less stuff, most of it is rubbish you don't need. Pay the correct environmental tax on shipping and offshoring becomes less viable. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"This is idealistic and not a reality. The world is now a global market as seen with food shortages, an effect of the Ukrainian war, the ship grounding in the Suez canal bringing shortages.
New technologies are needed, rather than trying to reverse into the past.
No, we need to reduce our reliance on cheap manufacturing, which is only cheap because of poor labour and environmental standards. Buy less stuff, most of it is rubbish you don't need. Pay the correct environmental tax on shipping and offshoring becomes less viable."
You can't tell people what they want or need, this why a movement away from what we have today stumbles and fails at the first hurdle, as you get shut down for not having an alternative that is relatable and at least thought out.
We need alternatives that work, not alternatives that meet an ideal bourn out of wishful thinking. |
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"Anyone suggesting increasing tax when we are about to be clobbered with silly energy bills is very detached.
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In general we agree, which is why the recent tax hikes (both overt and the sneaky freezing of allowances) should be reversed.
Also, tax should be reduced on power and road fuel for the duration of the current crisis.
The thread is specifically about air fares, and our reply was about that. Air travel and freight should pay the true environmental cost as they are not essential. |
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"You can't tell people what they want or need, this why a movement away from what we have today stumbles and fails at the first hurdle, as you get shut down for not having an alternative that is relatable and at least thought out.
We need alternatives that work, not alternatives that meet an ideal bourn out of wishful thinking."
Again, this thread is specifically about air fares, however the general principle of consuming less is a good one. Live life slower, buy less, buy local and the savings come automatically.
In terms of telling people what they want, on the rare occasions we watch TV or surf the web on a device without ad blockers we are astounded by the number of adverts for non-essential rubbish. People must be stupid enough to buy the stuff otherwise there wouldn't be any point in the adverts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I remember going to Madrid for two nights
Return flight from Dublin with Ryanair €30
Two nights in a hostel €30
Ticket to see Real Madrid v Deportivo La Coruña €30
€90 for the lot! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"You can't tell people what they want or need, this why a movement away from what we have today stumbles and fails at the first hurdle, as you get shut down for not having an alternative that is relatable and at least thought out.
We need alternatives that work, not alternatives that meet an ideal bourn out of wishful thinking.
Again, this thread is specifically about air fares, however the general principle of consuming less is a good one. Live life slower, buy less, buy local and the savings come automatically.
In terms of telling people what they want, on the rare occasions we watch TV or surf the web on a device without ad blockers we are astounded by the number of adverts for non-essential rubbish. People must be stupid enough to buy the stuff otherwise there wouldn't be any point in the adverts."
You seem to have lost track on the way the thread developed, but let's not dwell on that.. Going back to the original post about taxing fuel you made and my question about that impact.
In short you have not got any ideas, other than you think people shouldn't buy things you consider worthless. Great work  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"The less stupidly cheap international flights there are the less people will fly and the less impact on the environment."
How does this work in reality? The rich become the only people that can fly long haul? Airlines and all industries connected to aviation, fold?
People want to travel, people want to be more environmentally friendly, what is the solution other than saying stop doing it, as I can't see that happening. |
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"You seem to have lost track on the way the thread developed, but let's not dwell on that.. Going back to the original post about taxing fuel you made and my question about that impact.
In short you have not got any ideas, other than you think people shouldn't buy things you consider worthless. Great work "
What further ideas are required? Spelling it out...
Increasing tax on aircraft fuel will increase the cost of flights and air freight, neither of which are essential.
This should modify people's behaviour so they fly less and buy fewer goods which have travelled by air.
This will help the planet. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"You seem to have lost track on the way the thread developed, but let's not dwell on that.. Going back to the original post about taxing fuel you made and my question about that impact.
In short you have not got any ideas, other than you think people shouldn't buy things you consider worthless. Great work
What further ideas are required? Spelling it out...
Increasing tax on aircraft fuel will increase the cost of flights and air freight, neither of which are essential.
This should modify people's behaviour so they fly less and buy fewer goods which have travelled by air.
This will help the planet."
You are assuming everything traveling by air is not essential. Which is flawed.
You are assuming taxing aviation fuel will stop travel and air cargo, this wont happen it will simply push up the prices, and people who can least afford will be the ones paying the price.
The simplistic idea that stopping something will resolve itself, never really works out. Alternatives need to be found, we are progressive not regressive. |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
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"The reality is Ryanair rarely sold a flight for €10. That was always the headline price, once you added on the far more expensive return flight, 99.999% want to come back! Add a seat and baggage the average EU flight price is close to €300 return to the UK"
Simply not true!
We fly almost exclusively Ryanair between Marseille and Stansted, many times per year. Yes, hand-luggage only, but in January this year, a single journey STN-MRS cost me £19.98. In March and June, return journeys STN-MRS-STN were each £45.00. In the other direction, MRS-STN-MRS in May was 61 euro, and a single journey MRS-STN in June was 34 euro. Admittedly to get my son on the same flight as the last one, a last-minute booking cost me 135 euro!
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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""The reality is Ryanair rarely sold a flight for €10. That was always the headline price, once you added on the far more expensive return flight, 99.999% want to come back! Add a seat and baggage the average EU flight price is close to €300 return to the UK"
Simply not true!
We fly almost exclusively Ryanair between Marseille and Stansted, many times per year. Yes, hand-luggage only, but in January this year, a single journey STN-MRS cost me £19.98. In March and June, return journeys STN-MRS-STN were each £45.00. In the other direction, MRS-STN-MRS in May was 61 euro, and a single journey MRS-STN in June was 34 euro. Admittedly to get my son on the same flight as the last one, a last-minute booking cost me 135 euro!
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Even with mid week, out of season benefits you are still massively over the €10 flight headline.
It is more like £105 rather than €20 |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"LTN BZR last December 9.99 out 10.00 back
Great excuse to pop over to Cap for a week to service bicycles scooter and write a speech.
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Looks like you found the one for €10 but I'm going to bet you paid for luggage and / or a seat? |
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"LTN BZR last December 9.99 out 10.00 back
Great excuse to pop over to Cap for a week to service bicycles scooter and write a speech.
forgot to add, great find "
And it is precisely this environmental madness that makes taxing aircraft fuel appropriately essential. Until flights are priced similarly to other methods of transport people won't change their behaviour. |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun |
For millennia, man looked at the birds flying above and dreamed of having that freedom to just go wherever they liked.
Now in just over a century since the first proper flight, we treat it as a birthright, completely taking it for granted and moaning about the little queues and issues we deal with to get on our strange metal contraptions that will fly us further than our ancestors could ever have imagined, many of us sleeping for this absurd trek.
Building our whole systems around these (as well as the metal contraptions with wheels we spend much of our time in, bumper to bumper with other folk and bitching about the price of the long dead ancient crushed remains of microorganisms we regularly fill them with) has been a mistake and we need to wake up to that and see the absurdity for what it is. It may have been good in an "economical" way, but it's short term and has allowed us to become trapped in an unsustainable way of life that has no future. |
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"LTN BZR last December 9.99 out 10.00 back
Great excuse to pop over to Cap for a week to service bicycles scooter and write a speech.
Looks like you found the one for €10 but I'm going to bet you paid for luggage and / or a seat? "
Not a penny more. No need to reserve a seat and for one small bag the is no charge. |
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"For millennia, man looked at the birds flying above and dreamed of having that freedom to just go wherever they liked.
Now in just over a century since the first proper flight, we treat it as a birthright, completely taking it for granted and moaning about the little queues and issues we deal with to get on our strange metal contraptions that will fly us further than our ancestors could ever have imagined, many of us sleeping for this absurd trek.
Building our whole systems around these (as well as the metal contraptions with wheels we spend much of our time in, bumper to bumper with other folk and bitching about the price of the long dead ancient crushed remains of microorganisms we regularly fill them with) has been a mistake and we need to wake up to that and see the absurdity for what it is. It may have been good in an "economical" way, but it's short term and has allowed us to become trapped in an unsustainable way of life that has no future."
I hope you are not suggesting we go back the the Middle Ages? |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun |
"For millennia, man looked at the birds flying above and dreamed of having that freedom to just go wherever they liked.
Now in just over a century since the first proper flight, we treat it as a birthright, completely taking it for granted and moaning about the little queues and issues we deal with to get on our strange metal contraptions that will fly us further than our ancestors could ever have imagined, many of us sleeping for this absurd trek.
Building our whole systems around these (as well as the metal contraptions with wheels we spend much of our time in, bumper to bumper with other folk and bitching about the price of the long dead ancient crushed remains of microorganisms we regularly fill them with) has been a mistake and we need to wake up to that and see the absurdity for what it is. It may have been good in an "economical" way, but it's short term and has allowed us to become trapped in an unsustainable way of life that has no future.
I hope you are not suggesting we go back the the Middle Ages? "
Why didn't you answer the other post where I rightfully called you out and showed that your assertion was bullshit?
And yes, we need to take a serious look at the world now and properly see how absurd things are.
We're heading for climate catastrophe while useless governments make silly promises about the possibility of endless growth. This way of life has been an ecological disaster and it's only human arrogance that has us thinking it needs to continue.
We're a species that simply uses far more resources than it needs (especially in the first world), all the while usually blissfully unaware of the beauty and sheer wonder in the natural world, preferring to fixate on unimportant celebrities instead of accepting that this world is not ours, but shared with many other organisms who honestly are far more important to the ecosystems they're in than us. |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun |
"For millennia, man looked at the birds flying above and dreamed of having that freedom to just go wherever they liked.
Now in just over a century since the first proper flight, we treat it as a birthright, completely taking it for granted and moaning about the little queues and issues we deal with to get on our strange metal contraptions that will fly us further than our ancestors could ever have imagined, many of us sleeping for this absurd trek.
Building our whole systems around these (as well as the metal contraptions with wheels we spend much of our time in, bumper to bumper with other folk and bitching about the price of the long dead ancient crushed remains of microorganisms we regularly fill them with) has been a mistake and we need to wake up to that and see the absurdity for what it is. It may have been good in an "economical" way, but it's short term and has allowed us to become trapped in an unsustainable way of life that has no future.
I hope you are not suggesting we go back the the Middle Ages? "
Humans are likely one of the most hostile species to ever be spawned from this planet, mainly due to our intelligence.
Predators have a natural instinct of not over consuming, as then the resources they depend on are spent and they'd struggle more in the years that follow.
We seem to have completely ignored that instinct and gone out of our way to assert our dominance in every surrounding ecosystem, arrogantly assuming it was all for us to use as we wish.
If we want a habitable planet for our future, we need to seriously change our ways as a species. |
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"For millennia, man looked at the birds flying above and dreamed of having that freedom to just go wherever they liked.
Now in just over a century since the first proper flight, we treat it as a birthright, completely taking it for granted and moaning about the little queues and issues we deal with to get on our strange metal contraptions that will fly us further than our ancestors could ever have imagined, many of us sleeping for this absurd trek.
Building our whole systems around these (as well as the metal contraptions with wheels we spend much of our time in, bumper to bumper with other folk and bitching about the price of the long dead ancient crushed remains of microorganisms we regularly fill them with) has been a mistake and we need to wake up to that and see the absurdity for what it is. It may have been good in an "economical" way, but it's short term and has allowed us to become trapped in an unsustainable way of life that has no future.
I hope you are not suggesting we go back the the Middle Ages?
Why didn't you answer the other post where I rightfully called you out and showed that your assertion was bullshit?
And yes, we need to take a serious look at the world now and properly see how absurd things are.
We're heading for climate catastrophe while useless governments make silly promises about the possibility of endless growth. This way of life has been an ecological disaster and it's only human arrogance that has us thinking it needs to continue.
We're a species that simply uses far more resources than it needs (especially in the first world), all the while usually blissfully unaware of the beauty and sheer wonder in the natural world, preferring to fixate on unimportant celebrities instead of accepting that this world is not ours, but shared with many other organisms who honestly are far more important to the ecosystems they're in than us."
Who are you responding to? |
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"Predators have a natural instinct of not over consuming, as then the resources they depend on are spent and they'd struggle more in the years that follow."
Bollocks.
Nature doesn't work that way. Predator numbers grow until the food source gets low, then lots of them starve until the food source can replenish.
Just ask any chicken farmer what happens when a fox gets into the enclosure. |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
Kilkenny, but Dublin is more fun |
"For millennia, man looked at the birds flying above and dreamed of having that freedom to just go wherever they liked.
Now in just over a century since the first proper flight, we treat it as a birthright, completely taking it for granted and moaning about the little queues and issues we deal with to get on our strange metal contraptions that will fly us further than our ancestors could ever have imagined, many of us sleeping for this absurd trek.
Building our whole systems around these (as well as the metal contraptions with wheels we spend much of our time in, bumper to bumper with other folk and bitching about the price of the long dead ancient crushed remains of microorganisms we regularly fill them with) has been a mistake and we need to wake up to that and see the absurdity for what it is. It may have been good in an "economical" way, but it's short term and has allowed us to become trapped in an unsustainable way of life that has no future.
I hope you are not suggesting we go back the the Middle Ages?
Why didn't you answer the other post where I rightfully called you out and showed that your assertion was bullshit?
And yes, we need to take a serious look at the world now and properly see how absurd things are.
We're heading for climate catastrophe while useless governments make silly promises about the possibility of endless growth. This way of life has been an ecological disaster and it's only human arrogance that has us thinking it needs to continue.
We're a species that simply uses far more resources than it needs (especially in the first world), all the while usually blissfully unaware of the beauty and sheer wonder in the natural world, preferring to fixate on unimportant celebrities instead of accepting that this world is not ours, but shared with many other organisms who honestly are far more important to the ecosystems they're in than us.
Who are you responding to? "
You. You just seem genuinely shocked and outraged that we should even fathom taking a few steps back without truly considering the absurd unsustainability of the current system we've managed to convince ourselves is reality.
Reality is that we've been on this ancient planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan as it orbits the sun at 30km/s which in turn is hurtling through the milky way, and our current actions as a species are making it very the future a more and more inhabitable place not just for us, but for many forms of complex life that adapted to live in this period. Life will very likely flourish again, but our dependance on very sensitive domestic crops leaves us very fragile.
You could very easily come to think that "intelligent" life may be super rare in the universe not only because it's so dependant on scenarios that make intelligence and self awareness a bonus, but due to how capable it is of overshoot and advancing far quicker than it's able for. Say nothing about our self destructive tendencies.
We're very likely looking at a collapse of our current interconnected and utterly complex civilisation anyway, but it's better if we plan and adapt for it now and pushing degrowth than for us to suddenly be in a position where many complex and frail supply chains we rely on start falling apart. |
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