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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pistols everyday "
Same, The Clash went on too long and became a bit mainstream, although they did make some great music... But it was the Pistols who broke the mold  |
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Clash, no contest. Pistols were hugely important in getting the movement started but fell too quickly into novelty records, drugs, death and Country Life. The Clash made 5 hugely influential albums.. and one shit one  |
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"Both....but I could quite happily forget about the clash after give em enough rope..
The album after that is their classic London Calling!"
To be honest I don't think there's anything classic about it..I own a copy but rarely gets played.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I taught my mum to pogo to Pretty Vacant. My elder brothers were both heavily into the early Punk movement so influenced my musical tastes.
Have both still playing in the car. |
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"Both. The Pistols were so influential but only around for one album. The Clash I love. My favourite album was Sandinista which is the album that just about everybody else hates! "
The first two where the nuts after that I lost interest in them ... saw em in the give em enough rope tour  |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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If I had to choose, The Clash - they had so much more about them than just punk - The Pistols put punk in the headlines but were pretty much one album wonders - The Clash had so much more about them and developed in ways the Pistols never did |
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"If I had to choose, The Clash - they had so much more about them than just punk - The Pistols put punk in the headlines but were pretty much one album wonders - The Clash had so much more about them and developed in ways the Pistols never did "
True but the Pistols defined the look and the sound of punk. Without them punk wouldn't even have the iconic imagery and sound that we know now and that defined that era that other bands, including The Clash, followed.
Pretty much it wasn't the Pistols though. It was Johnny Rotten (Lydon) who was the inspiration for a generation, and generations to follow, he invented the look, the sneer, the vocal style, safety pins, etc and wrote those songs that shocked the nation and transformed youth at that time. And the work he did with PIL afterwards was truly groundbreaking. And underrated and under-appreciated. It inspired a whole new post-punk movement.
He should be knighted for services to music. Such a shame he wrote "God save the Queen"  |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"If I had to choose, The Clash - they had so much more about them than just punk - The Pistols put punk in the headlines but were pretty much one album wonders - The Clash had so much more about them and developed in ways the Pistols never did
True but the Pistols defined the look and the sound of punk. Without them punk wouldn't even have the iconic imagery and sound that we know now and that defined that era that other bands, including The Clash, followed.
Pretty much it wasn't the Pistols though. It was Johnny Rotten (Lydon) who was the inspiration for a generation, and generations to follow, he invented the look, the sneer, the vocal style, safety pins, etc and wrote those songs that shocked the nation and transformed youth at that time. And the work he did with PIL afterwards was truly groundbreaking. And underrated and under-appreciated. It inspired a whole new post-punk movement.
He should be knighted for services to music. Such a shame he wrote "God save the Queen" "
Agree with much of that although truth be told The Pistols, The Clash AND The Damned (plus a few others) all had a hand in defining punk for what it was - none more than the others - I love John Lydon but I do think he likes to give himself a lot more credit than perhaps is reality although it's undeniable that he was a huge influence - I just think the likes of The Clash and The Damned (who were both going in parallel to The Pistols) just got on with it and largely ducked the headlines leaving the impression that the Pistols were leading the way on their own |
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
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Both, however I have to mention that without The Buzzcocks setting up a gig in Manchester at the lesser free trade hall it is debatable but we may not have had
Joy Division who then became New Order, who basically funded the whole of factory and the Hacienda.
The Smiths, Morrisey was at the gig.
The Fall Mark E Smith was there
Tony Wilson for all his faults what a guy and to me one of the most important men in music
Paul Morley who wrote it all in NME
Now if we add everyone to this gig who said they were there we’d fill the Lesser Free trade hall 70 or 80 times over
Now this one gig is spoken about in the same regard as Woodstock, Live aid etc for its importance and influence.
This gig took place in June 1976, and without it it is doubtful the whole Manchester music scene would have taken off.
Just a thought
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"Both, however I have to mention that without The Buzzcocks setting up a gig in Manchester at the lesser free trade hall it is debatable but we may not have had
Joy Division who then became New Order, who basically funded the whole of factory and the Hacienda.
The Smiths, Morrisey was at the gig.
The Fall Mark E Smith was there
Tony Wilson for all his faults what a guy and to me one of the most important men in music
Paul Morley who wrote it all in NME
Now if we add everyone to this gig who said they were there we’d fill the Lesser Free trade hall 70 or 80 times over
Now this one gig is spoken about in the same regard as Woodstock, Live aid etc for its importance and influence.
This gig took place in June 1976, and without it it is doubtful the whole Manchester music scene would have taken off.
Just a thought
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It's true Durutti Column were inspired there too, Martin Hannett was in the audience and, oh for fucks sake, Mick Hucknall also. I'll never forgive the Buzzcocks for that. |
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
Essex |
"Both, however I have to mention that without The Buzzcocks setting up a gig in Manchester at the lesser free trade hall it is debatable but we may not have had
Joy Division who then became New Order, who basically funded the whole of factory and the Hacienda.
The Smiths, Morrisey was at the gig.
The Fall Mark E Smith was there
Tony Wilson for all his faults what a guy and to me one of the most important men in music
Paul Morley who wrote it all in NME
Now if we add everyone to this gig who said they were there we’d fill the Lesser Free trade hall 70 or 80 times over
Now this one gig is spoken about in the same regard as Woodstock, Live aid etc for its importance and influence.
This gig took place in June 1976, and without it it is doubtful the whole Manchester music scene would have taken off.
Just a thought
It's true Durutti Column were inspired there too, Martin Hannett was in the audience and, oh for fucks sake, Mick Hucknall also. I'll never forgive the Buzzcocks for that. "
I have met Mick Hucknall, along with quite a few others in my younger days in Manchester. He was a nice guy and he bought the beer. |
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"Both, however I have to mention that without The Buzzcocks setting up a gig in Manchester at the lesser free trade hall it is debatable but we may not have had
Joy Division who then became New Order, who basically funded the whole of factory and the Hacienda.
The Smiths, Morrisey was at the gig.
The Fall Mark E Smith was there
Tony Wilson for all his faults what a guy and to me one of the most important men in music
Paul Morley who wrote it all in NME
Now if we add everyone to this gig who said they were there we’d fill the Lesser Free trade hall 70 or 80 times over
Now this one gig is spoken about in the same regard as Woodstock, Live aid etc for its importance and influence.
This gig took place in June 1976, and without it it is doubtful the whole Manchester music scene would have taken off.
Just a thought
It's true Durutti Column were inspired there too, Martin Hannett was in the audience and, oh for fucks sake, Mick Hucknall also. I'll never forgive the Buzzcocks for that.
I have met Mick Hucknall, along with quite a few others in my younger days in Manchester. He was a nice guy and he bought the beer. "
I've stood in a urinal in Manchester with Mick Hucknall one side and Terry Christian the other. It wasn't a pleasant experience |
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
Essex |
"Both, however I have to mention that without The Buzzcocks setting up a gig in Manchester at the lesser free trade hall it is debatable but we may not have had
Joy Division who then became New Order, who basically funded the whole of factory and the Hacienda.
The Smiths, Morrisey was at the gig.
The Fall Mark E Smith was there
Tony Wilson for all his faults what a guy and to me one of the most important men in music
Paul Morley who wrote it all in NME
Now if we add everyone to this gig who said they were there we’d fill the Lesser Free trade hall 70 or 80 times over
Now this one gig is spoken about in the same regard as Woodstock, Live aid etc for its importance and influence.
This gig took place in June 1976, and without it it is doubtful the whole Manchester music scene would have taken off.
Just a thought
It's true Durutti Column were inspired there too, Martin Hannett was in the audience and, oh for fucks sake, Mick Hucknall also. I'll never forgive the Buzzcocks for that.
I have met Mick Hucknall, along with quite a few others in my younger days in Manchester. He was a nice guy and he bought the beer.
I've stood in a urinal in Manchester with Mick Hucknall one side and Terry Christian the other. It wasn't a pleasant experience "
I won’t mention the people I’ve met in toilets but being in Manchester in the late 80s and 90w it’s surprising |
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"Both. The Pistols were so influential but only around for one album. The Clash I love. My favourite album was Sandinista which is the album that just about everybody else hates! "
Worth all 6 sides just for Washington Bullets. |
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Saw the Clash at RAR Victoria Park. This ideology of inclusiveness and social justice is still a defining part of my identity today.
The Pistols came along and created year zero and a much needed era of creativity. Didn't see them live until 97.
I followed the Clash until the end seeing them 4 times on the Combat Rock tour - Go Straight to Hell Boy always the highlight of the night.
Think there are more who'd say just the Pistols than both. Me? I could never say just one.
A good question at a time of reflectiveness |
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"Both, however I have to mention that without The Buzzcocks setting up a gig in Manchester at the lesser free trade hall it is debatable but we may not have had
Joy Division who then became New Order, who basically funded the whole of factory and the Hacienda.
The Smiths, Morrisey was at the gig.
The Fall Mark E Smith was there
Tony Wilson for all his faults what a guy and to me one of the most important men in music
Paul Morley who wrote it all in NME
Now if we add everyone to this gig who said they were there we’d fill the Lesser Free trade hall 70 or 80 times over
Now this one gig is spoken about in the same regard as Woodstock, Live aid etc for its importance and influence.
This gig took place in June 1976, and without it it is doubtful the whole Manchester music scene would have taken off.
Just a thought
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The movie 24 Hour Party People begins there. |
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"Both, however I have to mention that without The Buzzcocks setting up a gig in Manchester at the lesser free trade hall it is debatable but we may not have had
Joy Division who then became New Order, who basically funded the whole of factory and the Hacienda.
The Smiths, Morrisey was at the gig.
The Fall Mark E Smith was there
Tony Wilson for all his faults what a guy and to me one of the most important men in music
Paul Morley who wrote it all in NME
Now if we add everyone to this gig who said they were there we’d fill the Lesser Free trade hall 70 or 80 times over
Now this one gig is spoken about in the same regard as Woodstock, Live aid etc for its importance and influence.
This gig took place in June 1976, and without it it is doubtful the whole Manchester music scene would have taken off.
Just a thought
It's true Durutti Column were inspired there too, Martin Hannett was in the audience and, oh for fucks sake, Mick Hucknall also. I'll never forgive the Buzzcocks for that.
I have met Mick Hucknall, along with quite a few others in my younger days in Manchester. He was a nice guy and he bought the beer.
I've stood in a urinal in Manchester with Mick Hucknall one side and Terry Christian the other. It wasn't a pleasant experience "
So who was bigger.?.come on you must have had a crafty look.. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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Clash really, love the first 2 albums, London Calling too many filler tracks, would be a good single album, as for Sandanista, keep revisiting every few years in the hope I am wrong, but no, still too long, too self-indulgent. For a blast of pure noise & energy, then the pistols hit the spot. |
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"Clash really, love the first 2 albums, London Calling too many filler tracks, would be a good single album, as for Sandanista, keep revisiting every few years in the hope I am wrong, but no, still too long, too self-indulgent. For a blast of pure noise & energy, then the pistols hit the spot."
Can't really disagree with that, the did to much boring rubbish.xxx
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The clash they mixed every style of music Sandinista was the best triple lp they did well the only one Pistols had on sound ...punk was rock and roll at the end of the day it was already with us before the pistols punk was an overused word the media gave the style of fast music with attitude the clash were more than that plus a great bunch of guys
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Can’t stand the sex pistols but I do believe they were an important band in musical history.
However I can listen to the Clash and recognise how great they were and how each album borrowed from different musical influences.
So the Clash out of the two groups are the only one that’s actually on my Spotify account |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Stiff little fingers.....
The Clash for me next as the Pistols were a one album band(probably one of the best all time Punk albums) but after London Calling it dwindled for me,
Complete Control is still one of my all time favourites!! |
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
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The Sex Pistols came along and basically blew away all of the shite that was in the charts at the time. In the UK we were bombarded with disco music and it was dull dull dull. They couldn't play or sing but the music had balls and energy. Others followed including the Clash who were much more talented but the Pistols broke the mould. Nivarna did a similar thing in the nineties and to a lesser extent The Arctic monkeys in the 00's? I think we are now due another rule breaking band to appear to blow away all of the current shite!! |
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New york dolls Blondie marc bolan plenty more All before the pistols were promoted by Malcolm His shop and the press its all fast rock and roll at the end of the day it was happening and Malcolm homed in on it even nicked new york dolls guitars |
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"The Sex Pistols came along and basically blew away all of the shite that was in the charts at the time. In the UK we were bombarded with disco music and it was dull dull dull. They couldn't play or sing but the music had balls and energy....."
Pretty much the only two requirements I have in a band....
The Pistols are important in music history, but only because they were shamelessly plugged by McLaren who wanted the infamy and more people into his shop. Even Lydon twigged they were all being manipulated.
The Clash could actually play, and had far more depth intellectually, and so they get my vote |
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By (user no longer on site) 39 weeks ago
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It’s a hard one .. the question would be who would you rather the opening warm up act be for who? The sex pistol opening for the clash or the clash opening for the sex pistol? |
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The Clash - versatile musicians better clever lyrics . Met Joe Strummer and he was perfect .
Sex Pistols - 1 seminal album , then the rest was manufactured image money making rehash controlled by Malcolm McLaren .
Matlock was a genius and was axed / left for Vicious . Then it becomes a circus .
Musically The Clash not even a competion if you look at the music live performances |
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By (user no longer on site) 39 weeks ago
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"I’m glad you noticed that I noticed."
Not going to derail further. But just look how silly my comments look in this thread?
And I gained nothing from it. It wasn’t funny.
Just really confused at the constant need to announce you don’t know someone or to hate on them when you’re not asked.
Oh well. |
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"Which do prefer or both."
Never Mind The Bollocks is a brilliant nihilistic statement, but they became panto after Rotten left. The Clash made more varied and interesting music and Strummer was a great lyricist. The Pistols had to implode, The Clash were always aiming outwards. Overall I prefer The Clash as a band overall, but NMTB is an essential record. |
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"Both sold out for money , crass is the true punk band
Yeah but look how that ended up Steve ignorant with his backing band performing the greatest hits of crass...you couldn't make it up.. "
I wonder what pennys takes on all that is ,didn't know that thought he just toured his own stuff |
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Things were happening before the pistols were hugh corwalls jet black dave and brunnel around in 74 and punk was a extension of glam rock and rock and roll as adam ant lyrics say i always though punk was an over used word as a matter of fact im a b side baby thats that…anyhow damned had the dingle out before the pistols malcolms little project cash in on the youth
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By (user no longer on site) 35 weeks ago
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The Clash without doubt....
I preferred Johnny Lydon in Pil & Leftfield but I did like a few Sex Pistols too but I do prefer The Clash above The Sex Pistols. |
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The clash.
No diss to the pistols tho. Mind , love the irony how of Johnny rotten being all conservatibe and everythig he railed against befkre he got old and weathy.
Joe Strummer. Oof now therse was a damn fine human bean. |
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"For initial impact NMTB is hard to beat but overall catalogue The Clash are way ahead ??
What's nmtb? "
Never Mind the Bollocks.
The opening bars of Pretty Vacant are the Pistols’ joker card I n any ‘who’s best’ debate. |
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"For initial impact NMTB is hard to beat but overall catalogue The Clash are way ahead ??
What's nmtb?
Never Mind the Bollocks.
The opening bars of Pretty Vacant are the Pistols’ joker card I n any ‘who’s best’ debate. "
Me First and the Gimme Gimme Gimmes put it to great use too in one of their covers. |
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I’ve grown to enjoy Pistols more since there heyday, mostly as Heavy Rock and Metal are closer to their style. I always thought Steve Jones wouldn’t be out of place in a Heavy Rock/Metal band, and Pretty Thing is one of my favourite songs, by anyone.
Having said that I think Clash were better song writers, more sophisticated, sounded more ‘grown up’ which I admit is a strange thing to say about Punk and the off shoots of that Genre |
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Lots of nonsense on this thread about both bands. They both appeal in different ways. The Clash were more cerebral and musically diverse and I'll always favour them over any other band...but when the opening bars of Anarchy in the UK or Pretty Vacant are played there's just nothing that comes close. The Pistols were more fun, The Clash though had a blueprint for life. |
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As adam ant said punk was a over used word the press gave and only lasted around a year without the pistols it would of still happened rock and roll was always there many stepped on the bandwagon theres a core of bands that progressed to do better things …i still hate the word punk….pistols Malcolm's marketing gimmick to the kids… it sells |
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"Lots of nonsense on this thread about both bands. They both appeal in different ways. The Clash were more cerebral and musically diverse and I'll always favour them over any other band...but when the opening bars of Anarchy in the UK or Pretty Vacant are played there's just nothing that comes close. The Pistols were more fun, The Clash though had a blueprint for life."
Never mind the bollocks, it’s full of ballads & fun / entertaining. Some of the clash stuff really bored me |
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By *yzykMan 35 weeks ago
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"Jones couldnt play on the bollocks they git a session player in …to give it grunt….
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Not true, Steve Jones played all the guitar parts and some bass parts - one of the tightest guitarists the producer ever worked with according to the Classic Albums documentary |
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