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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Someone certainly needs a rocket for the way they have handled the PR on this ....................

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

is there a payment offered for roofspace lol ???

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

If it's needed then I don't see the problem....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

If there is a genuine need?..... I would have thought perhaps the rooftops of accommodation designated for the Olympic committee would seem a more appropriate and less controversial location…….!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Selfish bunch. Imagine if they were needed and the idea had been scrapped because people didn't want the inconvenience of having soldiers on the roof.

I'm sure the guys providing 24/7 security would much rather be somewhere else.

Security is everywhere and it's there for the publics benefit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

and what about the snipers in helicopters!! they are to shoot the pilots of light aeroplanes who attempt to cross stadium air space and dont respond to orders to turn back! has anyone else not noticed the flaw in this plan? the plane is obviously going to come down in a urban area is it not!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Better a dozen than a thousand. Just be glad it's none of us who would have to make that decision.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and what about the snipers in helicopters!! they are to shoot the pilots of light aeroplanes who attempt to cross stadium air space and dont respond to orders to turn back! has anyone else not noticed the flaw in this plan? the plane is obviously going to come down in a urban area is it not!

About as useful as a North Korean Satellite

Wolf

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By *ashful BazMan over a year ago

poole dorset

I would'nt mind them, with my bloody nosey neighbours, sure they know I'm a swinger now!

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Better a dozen than a thousand. Just be glad it's none of us who would have to make that decision. "

eh!!!

, so if it was your house it came down on and wiped your family out, you would just shrug it off and say 'thank feck the athletes are safe?'

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

I'm not really sure why they would want to give the location away of the missile launcher to the enemy ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Luckily I live in a village.

I seriously doubt that any of the more extreme security measures will be used. I do think it is necessary to take every precaution to protect people and also to act as a deterrant.

I stand by the fact that the loss of one life to prevent the loss of 2, 3, or 100 lives is justified. Your lucky enough not to have to make that decision because there are people there to take on the responsibility.

It's like drivers swerving to avoid a rabbit and smashing up an oncoming vehicle instead. Looking back, would running the rabbit over have been the best course of action?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's like drivers swerving to avoid a rabbit and smashing up an oncoming vehicle instead. Looking back, would running the rabbit over have been the best course of action?"

It's always puzzled my why they have fire hoses inside swimming pools too...

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's like drivers swerving to avoid a rabbit and smashing up an oncoming vehicle instead. Looking back, would running the rabbit over have been the best course of action?

It's always puzzled my why they have fire hoses inside swimming pools too...

Wolf

In case it needs topping up

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

It's like drivers swerving to avoid a rabbit and smashing up an oncoming vehicle instead. Looking back, would running the rabbit over have been the best course of action?

It's always puzzled my why they have fire hoses inside swimming pools too...

Wolf

To wash down the sides of the pool at the end of the day of course!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

oh no

if an ickle fwuffy bunny wabbit hops onto the running track will the nasty snipers shoot?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Luckily I live in a village.

I seriously doubt that any of the more extreme security measures will be used. I do think it is necessary to take every precaution to protect people and also to act as a deterrant.

It's like drivers swerving to avoid a rabbit and smashing up an oncoming vehicle instead. Looking back, would running the rabbit over have been the best course of action?"

erm, your MEANT to run the animal over rather than avoid it and cause a crash! it took me 15mins to hit a badger last time i saw one on the road! the bastard kept running away and dodging me!! but apart from that, ANY loss of life is a tragedy!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some people will do anything for a roadkill dinner these days...

Wolf

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"oh no

if an ickle fwuffy bunny wabbit hops onto the running track will the nasty snipers shoot?

NOW then , i would buy tickets to see that ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even with missiles placed on top of tower blocks i bet the local gang members will still have more weapons than the security forces.Essentially, the Olympics is another money-making scam and to identify us in the world of terrorism. What a great load of wasted space, time and money.

God help us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some people will do anything for a roadkill dinner these days...

Wolf

yep, i had just watched bear grylls and wanted to try the recipe!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

I'm not really sure why they would want to give the location away of the missile launcher to the enemy ?

Hmmm, i've just realised , the open top bus tours companies are in for a back hander aint they , it goes some thing like this .... " morning ladies and gents .. if you look to the tall building on your right , we have the missile launcher location .. and further down on your left we have the terrorist assumed location , and just up ahead we have the .....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I guess the fact it will now be common knowledge amongst wouldbe terrorists that significant air defences are being allocated to defending London’s skies during the games, It might just act as a deterrent for anyone considering posing a threat via such means…… thus rendering the controversial debate about the proposed locations of these missile defences as a very effective publicity campaign which was designed to hit its target audience bang-on the button...... !!!

Impressive direct-hit, I'd say

init, eh!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"So I guess the fact it will now be common knowledge amongst wouldbe terrorists that significant air defences are being allocated to defending London’s skies during the games, It might just act as a deterrent for anyone considering posing a threat via such means…… thus rendering the controversial debate about the proposed locations of these missile defences as a very effective publicity campaign which was designed to hit its target audience bang-on the button...... !!!

Impressive direct-hit, I'd say

init, eh!"

Cant pull the wool over your eyes can i soxy ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

Sounds like the sort of thing Mugabe would do

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

Sounds like the sort of thing Mugabe would do

Lest we forget ...

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

as good a reason as I've heard not to be in London this summer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

this so called plan wouldnt work anyway!!! a jumbo jet travelling at 500mph doesnt just stop dead in mid-air if its hit by a rocket! it keeps going due to size and impetus!! so by the time it reached the rocket defences it would be a moot point anyway!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There were a couple of attack helicopters practising over the thames between westminster and temple a couple of weeks ago. it was a bit unsettling to be honest

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"There were a couple of attack helicopters practising over the thames between westminster and temple a couple of weeks ago. it was a bit unsettling to be honest"

Wait until the Defence Battleship parks up there next week , when they start practicing i'd be worried ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?"

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"this so called plan wouldnt work anyway!!! a jumbo jet travelling at 500mph doesnt just stop dead in mid-air if its hit by a rocket! it keeps going due to size and impetus!! so by the time it reached the rocket defences it would be a moot point anyway! "

I think I'd feel safer trusting the expertise of our armed forces than a bloke on a swingers website on the matter.....no offence.

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

If there were no defences in place and something did happen I'm sure there would be a rush of folk on here starting threads to say how stupid the government were not to have put them in place "just in case"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is there not a huge no fly zone for miles around the stadium anyway?

And as was witnessed at the boat race, it'll be the events away from the main site where the risk is highest.

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

Try reading the news papers instead. Eurofighetrs went supersonic over the Midlands responding to a helicopter broadcasting on the wrong frequency.

Do you actually have a knowledge of the subject or are you just repeating what you've heard or making stuff up?

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

I should have added that they are always part of our air defences not just during the Olympics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It'll not be the terrorists that'll kill ya, it'll be the fecking prices

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is there not a huge no fly zone for miles around the stadium anyway?

Nope. London City Airport is 4 miles away

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Erm, we don't have long range air defence missiles

As we are in partnership with other NATO countries we just deploy short range ones when we go to war.

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

Try reading the news papers instead. Eurofighetrs went supersonic over the Midlands responding to a helicopter broadcasting on the wrong frequency.

Do you actually have a knowledge of the subject or are you just repeating what you've heard or making stuff up?"

lol, and you have first hand knowledge how? or are you just reading about it too and coming to your own conclusions?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Taken from the news article....

An MoD spokesman said: "As announced before Christmas, ground-based air defence systems could be deployed as part of a multi-layered air security plan for the Olympics, including fast jets and helicopters, which will protect the skies over London during the Games."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

ok! il bite! what are the "facts"?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

what gets me is... how the feck do you chuck a javelin with a hook for a hand?

Wolf

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

ok! il bite! what are the "facts"?

I don't know as they are your "facts", I'll just stick to the truth.

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"It'll not be the terrorists that'll kill ya, it'll be the fecking prices

Wolf

Or mebbies the bottled water ( it's gonna be hot ) it as been known for terrorists to use underhand methods , but 'Hey 'it's going to be a drought , i suppose we'd drink anything ... just wondering what other announcements they are going to give out thats all ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Taken from the news article....

ok, so where does it say fighters and helos will actually be flying over london? they will be keeping londons airspace clear, which means AWAY from london! over unpopulated areas!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

ok! il bite! what are the "facts"?

I don't know as they are your "facts", I'll just stick to the truth.

lol, exactly! the truth as YOU hear it! havent heard any facts tho! just conjectures and theories!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

ok, so where does it say fighters and helos will actually be flying over london? they will be keeping londons airspace clear, which means AWAY from london! over unpopulated areas!

I've seen the helicopters practising over London myself and typhoon fighters will be based at RAF Northolt

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/typhoon-fighter-planes-to-be-deployed-during-281829

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sounds like he's digging for info, he must be a terrorist, get him!!!!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Incidentally the details of security for this years Highland Games has just been announced....a bloke dressed up as Mel Gibson in Braveheart with a painted blue face will guard competitors while riding a horse and brandashing a bloody great sword.....

And another bloke will sit at the top of a very high tree with a bow and arrow to replicate a Surface to Air missile battery.....

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story lol"

The air defence system used here will probably be the Rapier, airlifted into place, effective range (depending on target, weather etc) is between 10 and 20km. Although primarily designed for use against military supersonic aircraft, it can be used against anything that flies, and even some ground targets.

Its unlikely that they will use man-portable units (shoulder or prone position launched), as the risk of misfires, incorrect target aquisition and plain old "user error" are too high.

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

ok! il bite! what are the "facts"?

I don't know as they are your "facts", I'll just stick to the truth.

lol, exactly! the truth as YOU hear it! havent heard any facts tho! just conjectures and theories!

OK you got me (not really but I'll play along). If something slips through the net the jets and helicopters will just back off because it is a populated area and let it happen, okies, I believes ya (still playing along here)

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

"Incidentally the details of security for this years Highland Games has just been announced....a bloke dressed up as Mel Gibson in Braveheart with a painted blue face will guard competitors while riding a horse and brandashing a bloody great sword.....

And another bloke will sit at the top of a very high tree with a bow and arrow to replicate a Surface to Air missile battery....."

I have a very fine sword to brandish too, I'll have you know!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

And another bloke will sit at the top of a very high tree with a bow and arrow to replicate a Surface to Air missile battery....."

Erm .. hmmm, this bloke up the tree , did they say if he would be wearing tights .. ( what colour ?) and a kilt ?, and if he's going to be xcomando ...

just wondered if i need to take me camera ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't know why anyone would think that there will be a no fly zone over London during the Olympics. Most flights from Europe to Heathrow follow the Thames and fly the breadth of Central London and London city Airport is on the doorstep of the stadium. London'e sky is always full of planes. It's not gonna be any different during the games

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

And another bloke will sit at the top of a very high tree with a bow and arrow to replicate a Surface to Air missile battery.....

Erm .. hmmm, this bloke up the tree , did they say if he would be wearing tights .. ( what colour ?) and a kilt ?, and if he's going to be xcomando ...

just wondered if i need to take me camera ...

We all wear kilts up here, didn't you know that?

Disclaimer - the truth is never as good a story as a made up "fact"

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"what gets me is... how the feck do you chuck a javelin with a hook for a hand?

Wolf

Arf!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

ok! il bite! what are the "facts"?

I don't know as they are your "facts", I'll just stick to the truth.

lol, exactly! the truth as YOU hear it! havent heard any facts tho! just conjectures and theories!

lol, glad you see it my way! but seriously, that has has been my point this whole time! the first line of defence is over the water, 2nd is over unpopulated areas! if anything gets thru then its the rooftop batteries and helos turn! which was my point to start with! not feckin air battles over the centre of london! that would be bad for nxt time england want to host the world cup wouldnt it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

Pssstttt - I didn't agree with you!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

Pssstttt - I didn't agree with you!

Nor me ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pssstttt - I didn't agree with you!

Is that a fact?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pssstttt - I didn't agree with you!

erm, psssst, i know!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

My brother as been trying to get planning permission for two years to put a Bee Hive on his roof .... Fcuk knows how long it will take the London council to allow planning permission to erect a missile launcher ???

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"My brother as been trying to get planning permission for two years to put a Bee Hive on his roof .... Fcuk knows how long it will take the London council to allow planning permission to erect a missile launcher ???

Crown immunity, they'll site (sp?) national security and ride through any objections.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it's needed then I don't see the problem...."

hmmmmm bit over the top but just say they are indeed needed wont shooting down planes over major cities cause even more death and destruction ! typical government knee jerk reaction like the time they deployed tanks at airports bit ott to stop passengers complaining about flight delays ..joke

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

Crown immunity, they'll site (sp?) national security and ride through any objections."

And what about the decline in Bees ?, my Brother is trying to save the environment , not destroy it with missiles , i dont think your arguement would stand up , if he applied to the Europeaon High Court , ? Do you ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

ok! il bite! what are the "facts"?

I don't know as they are your "facts", I'll just stick to the truth.

lol, exactly! the truth as YOU hear it! havent heard any facts tho! just conjectures and theories!

unpopulated areas here your having a laugh arnt u lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it's needed then I don't see the problem....

We cant possibly impose cast-iron defences against all potential acts of terrorism, but we can provide reasonable deterrents that still allow society to function with some degree of normality, however it seems incredulous that we have people presenting arguments dismissing those efforts as being ineffective or irrelevant simply because our plans might contain abstract anomalies ……

I for one prefer to place my trust in the combined experience and expertise of those people specially trained to manage these situation rather than listen to the defeatist attitude of people who seem to display an attitude almost suggesting they'd like to see our defences fail just to prove their point …….!....... no joke !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i dont know which is most criminal a possible hijack threat ....or the prices there charging to go spectate at the olympics and the price of the merchandising londons welcome to the games ....did make me laugh the organisers saying there will be no travel disruption errr right i bet these organisers noses cant grow any longer after saying that lol they will be coining it in all the foreigners getting caught in the congestion charge areas etc etc

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"i dont know which is most criminal a possible hijack threat ....or the prices there charging to go spectate at the olympics and the price of the merchandising londons welcome to the games ....did make me laugh the organisers saying there will be no travel disruption errr right i bet these organisers noses cant grow any longer after saying that lol they will be coining it in all the foreigners getting caught in the congestion charge areas etc etc

It's just one big advertising scam , but they will price them selfs out the market this year ...this is the last chance saloon for a lot of companies to survive , they are pinning their hopes on making a big profit , from burgers to hotels , but peeps are waking up to them and the rip off culture ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As opposed to allowing said light aircraft to continue unchallenged until it's pilot flies it directly into a packed stadium with enough C4 on board to level it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We cant possibly impose cast-iron defences against all potential acts of terrorism, but we can provide reasonable deterrents that still allow society to function with some degree of normality, however it seems incredulous that we have people presenting arguments dismissing those efforts as being ineffective or irrelevant simply because our plans might contain abstract anomalies ……

Great post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it's needed then I don't see the problem....

defeatist attitude ? okay heres the homeland defence on the war on terror abdul quatar a know factual alqaida terrorist has just been released from a british prison and we cant deport him ...because it would infringe his human rights? ..Terrors just a stealth tax if they were really seriuos about war on terror and protecting us they would provide us with border control i would say stricter border control but as we have never had any border control to start with then a start would be a good idea to protect us from terror as we hear time and time again like the july14 bombers they were all uk nationals wernt they so its not deafeatist just realistic ...if you think putting a few surface to air missiles on a roof top is gonna play a part in the war on terror then more fool you.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Will they have to deploy police to the roof-top, too, to stop the machinery from getting nicked?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isaac, you are blurring the boundary between a cleric who knows how to manipulate the law and stopping terrists in the act of committing terrorist atrocities. It's far easier to shoot down a small plane packed with explosives and worry about the fall out later than it is to break EU law and kick out an undesirable because we want to. The ramifications of that are much greater than Mr Cameron standing up in the House of Commons and saying, "We blew them out of the sky because they were about to kill hundreds of innocent people."

I doubt it will ever come to that but the threat has to be taken seriously and prepared for. Ask yourself this: Would the U.S. have shot down those planes if they'd known they were going to be slammed into buildings and kill thousands of people?

You can bet your life they would have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will they have to deploy police to the roof-top, too, to stop the machinery from getting nicked?

This is the east end we're talking about. They'll probably stay there for good

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will they have to deploy police to the roof-top, too, to stop the machinery from getting nicked?

In Tower Hamlets? They'd need an army... ah, that's right, the army will be there.

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

Regardless of rooftop missiles or not, i just pray that no Brazilian athlete takes the Tube to the stadium, with his kit packed in his rucksack.

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

Will they have to deploy police to the roof-top, too, to stop the machinery from getting nicked?

This is the east end we're talking about. They'll probably stay there for good"

Lol, more like the local toe rags will have them weighed in for scrap within a week ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Isaac, you are blurring the boundary between a cleric who knows how to manipulate the law and stopping terrists in the act of committing terrorist atrocities. It's far easier to shoot down a small plane packed with explosives and worry about the fall out later than it is to break EU law and kick out an undesirable because we want to. The ramifications of that are much greater than Mr Cameron standing up in the House of Commons and saying, "We blew them out of the sky because they were about to kill hundreds of innocent people."

You can bet your life they would have."

fact is he is not nor has he ever been simply a cleric he is a fully fledged known member of alqida with blood on his hands if our government was serious on the war on terror well wouldnt it be in the interest of our countries national security to deport him regardless of his human rights aint like the government aint ever thrown the rule book out the window on odd occassion is it .. he dint give much thought to the human rights of his victims did he.

whilst our government allows this al qaida terrorist to stay in our country at the expense of us the tapayer then sorry but i simply cant take the governments claim to protect us from the war on terror seriously ... wot happens if he masterminds or is implicit in a july 14 type bombing in the future hundreds killed but hey least we dint infinge on his human rights to kill us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Regardless of rooftop missiles or not, i just pray that no Brazilian athlete takes the Tube to the stadium, with his kit packed in his rucksack. "
...............oooooooooof that really did put to bed the police lies on no shoot to kill policies didnt it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Regardless of rooftop missiles or not, i just pray that no Brazilian athlete takes the Tube to the stadium, with his kit packed in his rucksack. ...............oooooooooof that really did put to bed the police lies on no shoot to kill policies didnt it

So if you thought someone was a suicide bomber where would you shoot him? In the chest where the explosives are? In both his hands where a trigger may be? In the foot to piss him off?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Crown immunity, they'll site (sp?) national security and ride through any objections."
- Crown Immunity was scrapped in 1983 for military and civilians. Did you mean combat immunity? Even then there has to be very specific circumstances before the Gov't are allowed to escape liability; it's not easy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So if you thought someone was a suicide bomber where would you shoot him? In the chest where the explosives are? In both his hands where a trigger may be? In the foot to piss him off?"

think your missing the point the person shot dead by the police jean de mendies wasnt a terrorist ..he was an innocent brazillian student shot dead by the police because they ..THOUGHT he was a terrorist. I take it if a member of your family was shot dead by the police because they thought they were a terrorist you would be fine with the police actions at the time becausae although your mother father brother sister wasnt a terrorist the police thought he was and deemed it ok to shoot him dead.

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit. "

..and yet still you post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" So if you thought someone was a suicide bomber where would you shoot him? In the chest where the explosives are? In both his hands where a trigger may be? In the foot to piss him off?

think your missing the point...

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

JEAN DE MENEZES was a man of latino appearance, an appearance that is easily mistaken for arabic (seeing as the Moors were north african and invaded most of lower Europe including Spain, who then colonised South America), and this 'arabic' looking man decided to run when ordered to stop by the police, with a backpack on his back and he headed for Stockwell Tube station two weeks after the July 7 bombings of London transport and only a day after another failed attempt to bomb London.

He was mistakenly identified as one of the bombers but as the police believed he was a suspect at the time they had no option but to shoot to kill.

If only he had stopped when ordered. He'd still be alive. Back home in Brazil, but he'd be alive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So if you thought someone was a suicide bomber where would you shoot him? In the chest where the explosives are? In both his hands where a trigger may be? In the foot to piss him off?

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit. "

It would be interesting to hear what makes you more qualified to talk about the subject.

It's nice to know that you would give people the benefit of the doubt, unfortunately a firearms officer doesn't have that luxury. If someone's pattern of behaviour and actions lead the officer to believe that there is a threat to his life or a threat to someone else's choice then he is entitled to use whatever force is necessary. When dealing with a suspected suicide bomber who you believe to be in possession of an explosive device then there really is only one option.

So what course of action would you advocate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think they're quite right taking extra measures. Probably wrong to publicly announce it tho.

Suppose they are just doing what's needed for xtra security, can't fault them at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"JEAN DE MENEZES was a man of latino appearance, an appearance that is easily mistaken for arabic (seeing as the Moors were north african and invaded most of lower Europe including Spain, who then colonised South America), and this 'arabic' looking man decided to run when ordered to stop by the police, with a backpack on his back and he headed for Stockwell Tube station two weeks after the July 7 bombings of London transport and only a day after another failed attempt to bomb London.

He was mistakenly identified as one of the bombers but as the police believed he was a suspect at the time they had no option but to shoot to kill.

If only he had stopped when ordered. He'd still be alive. Back home in Brazil, but he'd be alive."

The police said he ran when ordered to stop but the facts later emerged from members of the public at the time who witnessed the killing that at the time he was sat on a tube train ..ordered by the police to stand up ..which he did ..and then shot dead in front of commuters on the tube. This was later found to be the truth however the murderers sorry police officers were not tried for the murder unlawfull killing of jean demenzies because they were simply following orders from there superiors

To date nobody was put on trial for the unlawfull killing of the man. The family seeking justice just hit a brick wall when trying to get some sort of justice for there sons killing only to be hit with a whitewash....however they later took there case to the european court who did in fact find in favour of the family in the fact that there son was indeed unlawfully killed. leading to the family recieveing a large substanstial payment by means of settlement by the british government.

In terms of the war on terror and our people doing a sterling job in allowing us to sleep soundly in our beds on this occassion they were given bogus information on known terrorists address this intellegenge was wrong as the suspected terrorist had long gone and the person living at the address was jean demendies they put the address under survellience followed him to the tube station ..The rest is history.

I see you point out the innocent man was of arabic appearence are you saying because of this he was a possible..likely terrorist suspect?

In terms of war on terror and keeping us safe the intellegence on suspects has to be checked and cross checked and cross checked some more prior to shooting that person dead the police are not the law they are servants of the law there job is to uphold it not as on this occassion to act as judge jury and ...executioner...also stricter border controls needs to be in place although granted a lot of said terrorists are uk nationals but border control would discover there movements such as trips to training camps etc and therefore provide better intel on genuine terrorist suspects

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If we put several missile batteries up around London we could organise the first Olympic sized game of Missile Command.

...now all we need is a giant monkey atop some scaffolding throwing barrels at plumbers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit.

..and yet still you post.

well were all entitled to our opinions if certain people were in charge of our security then there would be a hell of a lot of people being shot dead by the police ....simply because they were of arabic appearence lots of people have ran from the police when they havent done anything wrong usually illegal immigrants granted i guess there commiting the offence of being in this country illegally but correct me if ime wrong here you would thinnk it ok to shoot dead that illegal immigrant simply because he runs from the police and is of arabic appearence as this seems to be what your saying in your posts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there were no defences in place and something did happen I'm sure there would be a rush of folk on here starting threads to say how stupid the government were not to have put them in place "just in case"

we already know how stupid the governments are just look at our economy for reference.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit.

..and yet still you post.

Yes we are all entitled to post but your earlier post suggested denying that right to some.

As for answering your latest knee-jerk reactionary rambling: No, of course illegal immigrants shouldn't be shot just for running away from the police (although in America I'd think twice about running away from a policeman with a gun), but in Menezes case, he must have known about the bombings in London just two weeks before and he should have thought it a tad foolhardy running away from the police in such a sensitive time period.

The UK govt (or MI5, security services) know that one terrorist attrocity can be quickly followed by another in they are not vigillant, and London was on full alert in the summer of 2005, much the same as it will be this Summer too, so I'll give some good advice to anyone who thinks of running from the police if they shout 'Stop' - er... stop.

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit.

..and yet still you post.

Yes we are all entitled to post but your earlier post suggested denying that right to some.

STOP !That is the only thing i have seen you write on the forums that was worth reading Wishy Washy , so why dont you now STOP ,while your in my good books ... cheers ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You need planning permission to have big satellite dish on your roof or wall so did the MOD get permission to put big rockets on top of the flats .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

for me if i have no basic understanding of the toppic of the post i tend to say nothing at all for fear of looking like a right tit.

..and yet still you post.

Yes we are all entitled to post but your earlier post suggested denying that right to some.

ignorance is bliss yet again ay ...he didnt run from the police this statement from the officers on the scene was later proved to be false by members of the public fellow commuters who witnessed the killing and said so which was later leaked into the public domain from someone in the independant police complaints authority ..they said he did not tun he was sat down on a tube and ordered to stand to which he did and then shot dead.

This was upheld by the europen courts resulting in the british government making a substantial payment to the demenzies family ...an addmission of guilt by the british government in itself dont you think.

you say i ramble maybe i do but i dont condone shooting people dead simply because a person might look of arabic appearence and as you say run from the police,, which he never actually did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Going back to the OP:

I'm of the opinion regarding missile sites in London that I'd rather we had them and not need them, than need them and not have them.

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

The idea of announcing the location of missile launching sites is stupid , end of , they dont need to be on residential roofs , thats a place to spot your 'OBSERVERES' , the whole point of using a missile launcher is to shoot something down , they need to be mobile , and sited in safely secured areas that have been prepaired and controlled ,and away from the public , so that their arc of fire can be versatile , and a hit can be plotted to a very limited drop area , they are 'SURFACE ,'i repeat SURFACE ' to AIR MISSILES , they do not need to be placed on roof tops ....the idiots have made another stupid announcement , and i for one do not take comfort from their bungling ways time after time , i will not be going to London whilst this fiasco is being held ... and i would defo not pay money to be hearded from one place to another by security gaurds ... i'll get me guinness and watch it in comfort ! TY ..

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By *b430Man over a year ago

Tayside

they are 'SURFACE ,'i repeat SURFACE ' to AIR MISSILES

The top of a roof is a SURFACE, I repeat it is a SURFACE!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

they are 'SURFACE ,'i repeat SURFACE ' to AIR MISSILES

The top of a roof is a SURFACE, I repeat it is a SURFACE!

LOL but the wrong one it's got peeps living under it ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the fact that some think our government shooting down a hijacked plane with innocent civillians on board over a populated area is absurd...for one it can lead to even more deaths secondly it plays straight into the terrorists hands in terms of getting respective governments to do there dirty work for them. The views or census seems to be by some .."well if a hundred have to die to save a thousand so be it." to those people i say maybe you should get yourselfs checked out for psycopathic tendencies.

But i think the announcement of putting surface to air missiles on civillian rooftops is a bullshit statement by a bullshit unelected government.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The views or census seems to be by some .."well if a hundred have to die to save a thousand so be it." to those people i say maybe you should get yourselfs checked out for psycopathic tendencies.

But i think the announcement of putting surface to air missiles on civillian rooftops is a bullshit statement by a bullshit unelected government. "

By your count I just saved 900 lives and at the same time you've just killed 900 more people.

If you want the missiles anywhere then on top of a building is the best place. If you put it on the ground then the building would be in the way lol

Thank god you don't work in a job where you have to make tough decisions.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

No shoot to kill policy?

Police marksmen ALWAYS shoot to kill!

Forget the bollocks you see on tv cop programmes about shooting a gun out of someones hand, or shooting them in the arm or leg to stop them..... the Police prefer not to have to shoot at all ( a comment made by a good friend who was an armed police officer... " I tried never even to draw my weapon, let alone fire it, it creates too much paperwork!").

But if they have to, they fire at centre mass... in other words the middle of the largest part of the body... your chest, and most times thats pretty damn fatal.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"Thats what fighter planes are for,a guy on a rooftop is short range air defence.

Who says it has to be a jumbo jet? What about helicopters and light aircraft?

erm, i think your gettin a bit carried away now m8! fighter planes!!! lol, i think you may be playing too much mw3 on your ps3! its not the middle east we live in!

If you read the whole story you'll see fighter planes and helicopters are going to be part of the air defences during the Olympics!

ye, but over the atlantic and english channel! not the middle of london! that is what radar and long range defences are for!

Ermmm you may want to look up your "facts"!

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story lol

Its unlikely that they will use man-portable units (shoulder or prone position launched), as the risk of misfires, incorrect target aquisition and plain old "user error" are too high."

Well, I am worried now, my choice was the sensible one, but fuck me, if the pic in the paper is right, I aint flying over London whilst the olympics are on!

If they really do use this type of missile system, I hope to god there's a foolproof target designation and "friend or foe" recognition system built in, however I doubt it, and that leaves one of the busiest airspaces being scanned by some young gunner who hasnt got a clue what any type of civilian aircraft looks like at altitude, and these have a much shorter range too, which means much less time to make a "kill" decision!

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

You lot are great, as a nation we fought on or around our shores for most of this century by one terrorist or other. Let the police and the rest of them get on and get sorted, then we can all tell them where they went wrong. Hind sight great thing for us to have. God bless us all and god save the Queen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" and that leaves one of the busiest airspaces being scanned by some young gunner who hasnt got a clue what any type of civilian aircraft looks like at altitude, "

ooo gee, yeah the Armed Forces are really going to put an apprentice gunner on a rooftop to shoot down suspect planes with the whole world watching. Jesus!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ha ha the govt is great at distracting the public.

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By *am sampsonMan over a year ago

cwmbran

" and that leaves one of the busiest airspaces being scanned by some young gunner who hasnt got a clue what any type of civilian aircraft looks like at altitude,

ooo gee, yeah the Armed Forces are really going to put an apprentice gunner on a rooftop to shoot down suspect planes with the whole world watching. Jesus!

Careful wishy we are agreeing on too much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" and that leaves one of the busiest airspaces being scanned by some young gunner who hasnt got a clue what any type of civilian aircraft looks like at altitude,

ooo gee, yeah the Armed Forces are really going to put an apprentice gunner on a rooftop to shoot down suspect planes with the whole world watching. Jesus!

Careful wishy we are agreeing on too much

I agree with some of what everyone posts on here. All of us have some good arguments about some things and the flip side of that is we all post things that some disagree with. The spice of life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

all civil and armed forces planes have thies little magic boxes called transponders in them the tracking system on ground to air missiles lock on to this to tell apart friendly od foe aircraft

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He was mistakenly identified as one of the bombers but as the police believed he was a suspect at the time they had no option but to shoot to kill.

If only he had stopped when ordered. He'd still be alive. Back home in Brazil, but he'd be alive."

Jean De Menenzes was never ordered to stop by the Police. Not once. Even the official report notes that and also mentions conflicting stories from the police. I guess they never had the chance to get their story straight. To clarify again De Menenzes was NEVER ordered to stop

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By *ucsparkMan over a year ago

dudley

"all civil and armed forces planes have thies little magic boxes called transponders in them the tracking system on ground to air missiles lock on to this to tell apart friendly od foe aircraft "

Why the fuck have the American not been given this info

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By *sMinxyWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Well living out in the sticks I would love one on my roof to put paid to the pigeons that keep pooping on my washing and my car... ohh and also have a pop at the raf chappys who seem to like low flying!!!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

unless they do him for Treason , mebbies

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

" and that leaves one of the busiest airspaces being scanned by some young gunner who hasnt got a clue what any type of civilian aircraft looks like at altitude,

ooo gee, yeah the Armed Forces are really going to put an apprentice gunner on a rooftop to shoot down suspect planes with the whole world watching. Jesus!

My point is more about the system they may be using, the first one I mentioned is highly technical, has a greater stand-off range which means it gives more time to ID potential targets, or more importantly whether something IS a target, and has lots of scope to NOT GET IT WRONG... the second, well, you get a few seconds to decide, you point and shoot, and then sit back and watch a plane go boom.... which one would YOU rather be flying over?

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By *adchickCouple over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the plane means no harm or trouble, then it would have no issue with responding to orders, turning around and leaving, therefore will not get shot. The helicopters are there for the planes that will refuse to bugger off and ignore orders and potentially cause alot of damage and heartache.

Sarah

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By *ushroom7Man over a year ago

Bradford

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

sssssssshhhh we don't want the Tele Ban to sign him/her up do we?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sarah "

Potentially cause a lot of damage? How much does a jumbo jet weigh? 300 tons?. If a plane is intent on crashing into The olympic stadium its gonna come down anyway. Speaking as a Londoner which would I prefer? A plane crashing into the olympic stadium or a plane having been shot at by SAM missiles coming down over a wide area of London in handy volkswagen size chunks?

I'd probably go for the former but then I ain't going to Stratford. Typhoons,Apaches,Marines,Warships,SAM missiles..Not one of those is gonna stop someone stepping on to a Jubilee line train and blowing himself up. But we live with that everyday,not for 3 weeks at the end of July

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

I totally fail to see why you would think this is a good thing?......Who would benefit from a reduction in defences during such a high profile event?....apart from terrorists?

People do make me laugh at times....they would be the first to start a thread on here if there was an attack during the Olympics.....moaning about a lack of defences.

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

I totally fail to see why you would think this is a good thing?......Who would benefit from a reduction in defences during such a high profile event?....apart from terrorists?

People do make me laugh at times....they would be the first to start a thread on here if there was an attack during the Olympics.....moaning about a lack of defences.

Lol, you never tell your enemy anything , and defo not the location of your men who are defending you ...,i have had to serve under these idiots , trust me they have know idea how to hold a piss up in a brewery half the time ..but sleep well ,pity the peeps that are living under the launcher on their roof wont tho ,eh ?..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The views or census seems to be by some .."well if a hundred have to die to save a thousand so be it." to those people i say maybe you should get yourselfs checked out for psycopathic tendencies.

But i think the announcement of putting surface to air missiles on civillian rooftops is a bullshit statement by a bullshit unelected government.

By your count I just saved 900 lives and at the same time you've just killed 900 more people.

If you want the missiles anywhere then on top of a building is the best place. If you put it on the ground then the building would be in the way lol

Thank god you don't work in a job where you have to make tough decisions. "

How exactly have you saved 9000 lives and ive killed 900? Ive not said anything about putting such missile sites on the ground How do you know i dont work in a job that requires tough decisions to quote another poster think yv been playing to much modern warfare m8.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

my thoughts? just as well I am in a ground floor flat!

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

my thoughts? just as well I am in a ground floor flat!

Lol ... SECURITY being the key word ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

I totally fail to see why you would think this is a good thing?......Who would benefit from a reduction in defences during such a high profile event?....apart from terrorists?

People do make me laugh at times....they would be the first to start a thread on here if there was an attack during the Olympics.....moaning about a lack of defences.

Look at the israelis when there athletes were killed by terrorists in munich there government turned there mossat secret service agents into assassins to hunt down and kill the terrorists ,,,then they murdered an innocent civillian on incorrect intel.

there really isnt any defence against such acts of terrorism. But i think some semblence of border controls and the co operation btween various countries secret services on the sharing of info on suspects is prob the best way to go rather than surface to air missiles as its best chance to get the would be terrorists before they actually get on any planes and hijack them.

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

I totally fail to see why you would think this is a good thing?......Who would benefit from a reduction in defences during such a high profile event?....apart from terrorists?

People do make me laugh at times....they would be the first to start a thread on here if there was an attack during the Olympics.....moaning about a lack of defences.

Ditto ..and not inform them of your defence locations and weapons

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

I totally fail to see why you would think this is a good thing?......Who would benefit from a reduction in defences during such a high profile event?....apart from terrorists?

People do make me laugh at times....they would be the first to start a thread on here if there was an attack during the Olympics.....moaning about a lack of defences.

Ditto ..and not inform them of your defence locations and weapons

If any of these surface to air missiles were erected round here they would probably go missing and turn up in moss side somwhere i see it now one gang member pulls a glock the other pulls out a surface to air missile launcher he bought of a bloke in a pub

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By *nytimeade OP Man over a year ago

Skegness

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

I totally fail to see why you would think this is a good thing?......Who would benefit from a reduction in defences during such a high profile event?....apart from terrorists?

People do make me laugh at times....they would be the first to start a thread on here if there was an attack during the Olympics.....moaning about a lack of defences.

Ditto ..and not inform them of your defence locations and weapons

Yeah , lol, the thing is a kid these days could come across the electronic firing codes and lock on aiming systems , whilst he's browsing the tinter , and without even knowing they are doing it ,could somehow control the missiles range ,etc fom his / her phone/comp , it's frightening

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, seems like one of the Residents aint Happy ....

, he's taking on the M O D ...and i think he will win ...

I totally fail to see why you would think this is a good thing?......Who would benefit from a reduction in defences during such a high profile event?....apart from terrorists?

People do make me laugh at times....they would be the first to start a thread on here if there was an attack during the Olympics.....moaning about a lack of defences.

Ditto ..and not inform them of your defence locations and weapons

No need to worry, there's no "firing codes" as such and they certainly wouldn't be connected to the Internet unless the squaddie has his iPhone out lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Modern Warfare 8, where do I get hold of that!

Don't worry I was only pointing out the errors in someone else's argument. Next time I won't be lazy and I'll post two replies.

Then you won't feel picked on.

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By *waymanMan over a year ago

newcastle

"all civil and armed forces planes have thies little magic boxes called transponders in them the tracking system on ground to air missiles lock on to this to tell apart friendly od foe aircraft "
IFF worked really well on 9/11

This thread is comedy fucking gold, complete with Wishy's endorsement of the death sentence for anyone guilty of being dark skinned on the Tube anytime the police are feeling a bit jumpy...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Modern Warfare 8, where do I get hold of that!

Don't worry I was only pointing out the errors in someone else's argument. Next time I won't be lazy and I'll post two replies.

Then you won't feel picked on. "

Lol i dont feel picked on you quoted my post stating you save 9000 lives and ide kill 900. Considering you seem to be in agreement on shooting down planes over urban areas and ime not i was simply asking how exactly this would save lives, considering such missiles would be used as last line of defence and as such are short range and the plane would already be over urban areas rather than out at sea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't attribute words to me that I haven't said. I find it extremely offensive that you are indicating that I condone the shooting of anyone with brown skin when all I said was that the police officers involved played it out as to what they believed was happening at the time. If we all had the benefit of foresight nobody would ever die unneccessarily at all.

In your greed to score points you never stop to think just how offensive and peurile your words are.

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By *waymanMan over a year ago

newcastle

Your words Wishy - you decided to tell us what race you thought Jean de Menezes was, you chose to lie about him running away, you chose to make his appearance an excuse for his being shot.

You don't like your offensive, puerile posts being highlighted? I'm gutted....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""JEAN DE MENEZES was a man of latino appearance, an appearance that is easily mistaken for arabic (seeing as the Moors were north african and invaded most of lower Europe including Spain, who then colonised South America), and this 'arabic' looking man decided to run when ordered to stop by the police"

Your words Wishy - you decided to tell us what race you thought Jean de Menezes was, you chose to lie about him running away, you chose to make his appearance an excuse for his being shot.

You don't like your offensive, puerile posts being highlighted? I'm gutted...."

Tell me, would he have been mistakenly identified as a suspected terrorist had he been of a caucasian appearance?

Menezes WAS of latino appearance, that it a simple statement of fact, and it had a bearing on why he was identified (mistakenly) by police officers monitoring the block of flats in which he was living. That's a FACT too.

Spain WAS conquered by the Moors who WERE of North African origin and Spain DID colonise South America which led to the introduction of Latino genes to the gene pool on that continent. That's a fact too.

Maybe he didn't run away and wasn't ordered to stop (I've read up on it since my original post), and I think 7 bullets to the head was a tad excessive but considering that the first one would have killed him it's a bit irrelevant what the subsequent 6 bullets did or did not do. The police got it wrong that day but you can't unkill a man once he's dead.

Now, is any of what I've said in any way condoning the shooting of people with brown skin?

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By *waymanMan over a year ago

newcastle

Your words Wishy - you decided to tell us what race you thought Jean de Menezes was, you chose to lie about him running away, you chose to make his appearance an excuse for his being shot.

You don't like your offensive, puerile posts being highlighted? I'm gutted....

Tell me, would he have been mistakenly identified as a suspected terrorist had he been of a caucasian appearance?

Now, is any of what I've said in any way condoning the shooting of people with brown skin?"

It's a reasonable conclusion to draw from your obsession with his race...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Modern Warfare 8, where do I get hold of that!

Don't worry I was only pointing out the errors in someone else's argument. Next time I won't be lazy and I'll post two replies.

Then you won't feel picked on.

Wow, you have managed to misquote me quoting you, for a second time, even after missing my ironic Modern Warfare M8 misquote.

An Olympic stadium will hold many thousands of people in a small geographic area so the effects of any explosion/collision would cause considerably more casualties compared to it happening somewhere else. The obssession with jumbo jets is probably what is causing your difficulty in understanding this (I'm being kind now). A light aircraft, helicopter, even a hot air balloon could be used in an attack and can be targeted by these missiles and shooting them down will cause very few casualties.

There is a wide range of threats which is why we have a wide range of defences.

Back to my Modern Warfare

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"An Olympic stadium will hold many thousands of people in a small geographic area so the effects of any explosion/collision would cause considerably more casualties compared to it happening somewhere else. The obssession with jumbo jets is probably what is causing your difficulty in understanding this (I'm being kind now). A light aircraft, helicopter, even a hot air balloon could be used in an attack and can be targeted by these missiles and shooting them down will cause very few casualties.

There is a wide range of threats which is why we have a wide range of defences. "

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Faced with the choice of not shooting down a jet/small aircraft/blimp and it exploding in a packed stadium killing thousands of people, or knocking it out of the sky and accepting ground casualities of 10-20, I'd shoot it down.

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

As long as I'd get the launch codes I'd be fine with it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your words Wishy - you decided to tell us what race you thought Jean de Menezes was, you chose to lie about him running away, you chose to make his appearance an excuse for his being shot.

You don't like your offensive, puerile posts being highlighted? I'm gutted....

Tell me, would he have been mistakenly identified as a suspected terrorist had he been of a caucasian appearance?

Now, is any of what I've said in any way condoning the shooting of people with brown skin?

It's a reasonable conclusion to draw from your obsession with his race..."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bet you two follow each on twitter too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sooner the Olympics is over the better....... Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is a wide range of threats which is why we have a wide range of defences.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Soz i keep forgetting that theres no chance whatsover that shooting down aircraft over urban areas will decrease rather than increase the death toll ..because you and some others say so. I also take it supermans gonna come to the rescue fly up in the sky and catch the exploding debri and put it in an unpopulated area. ile take a back seat don me blinkers and bathe in me own ignorance and sleep soundly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Modern Warfare 8, where do I get hold of that!

Don't worry I was only pointing out the errors in someone else's argument. Next time I won't be lazy and I'll post two replies.

Then you won't feel picked on.

Wow, you have managed to misquote me quoting you, for a second time, even after missing my ironic Modern Warfare M8 misquote.

There is a wide range of threats which is why we have a wide range of defences.

Back to my Modern Warfare

Well can only go with facts it was jumbo jets not balloons that smashed into the twin towers so chances are any repeat attack there gonna try hijack planes again. Regarding your use of hot air balloons errrrr how can they pinpoint there targets in a balloon they would be at the mercy of the wind for directing there target. Back to planes.. What if the plane comes down in the middle of london pretty sure there could be easily more casualties than in your stadium.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Soz i keep forgetting that theres no chance whatsover that shooting down aircraft over urban areas will decrease rather than increase the death toll ..because you and some others say so. I also take it supermans gonna come to the rescue fly up in the sky and catch the exploding debri and put it in an unpopulated area. ile take a back seat don me blinkers and bathe in me own ignorance and sleep soundly "

You stick to your 'not hit and hope' option, and I'll stick to my 'hit it and be certain thousands in a stadium won't die but a few on the ground might' and we'll leave it there eh?

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By *am sampsonMan over a year ago

cwmbran

A fully fueled jumbo is likely to have more impact on a concentration of people in a stadium than the debris falling to ground - hence why did the terrorist fly into the twin towers rather than just explode them over a populated area

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A fully fueled jumbo is likely to have more impact on a concentration of people in a stadium than the debris falling to ground - hence why did the terrorist fly into the twin towers rather than just explode them over a populated area"

Some people just can't understand that concept though. Look at the fourth plane that was hijacked on 9/11. The passengers fought back to try and retake the plane so the terrorists slammed it into the ground and only those on board perished. Even the plane that hit the Pentagon 'only' killed 184 people (59 in the aircraft and 125 in the Pentagon).

A hijacked jumbo ploughing into Oxford St would have pretty much the same effect as the Pentagon plane, but if it ploughed into the Olympic Stadium (a confined area) the shock blast would kill many more than 200 people. It would kill more than that just in the stands that are hit directly by it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You stick to your 'not hit and hope' option, and I'll stick to my 'hit it and be certain thousands in a stadium won't die but a few on the ground might' and we'll leave it there eh?"

My option was never not hit and hope my option was some semblence of border control and a willingness from all countries law enforcement agencies in the gathering and sharing of intel on suspected terrorists in the belief that they will never actually make it on to the aircraft in the 1st place. Therfore making the deployment of surface to air missile launchers on civillian roof tops irrelevant.

I have worked within the electronics industry. such missiles do misfire on occassions imagine one misfiring over london during the olympics that would be nearly as criminal as the prices charged by the organisers.

Running with your views on this how would you feel if members of your family were amongst the few sacrificed in order to save the masses..?

When we get to the point of saying oh well lets kill a few or let a few die to save a few more are we really any better than the terrorists themselves ? Personally if thats the case then i guess we have hit the point of no return in maintaing some semblence of humanity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You stick to your 'not hit and hope' option, and I'll stick to my 'hit it and be certain thousands in a stadium won't die but a few on the ground might' and we'll leave it there eh?

Running with your views on this how would you feel if members of your family were amongst the few sacrificed in order to save the masses..?

Border control is no good if they aren't planning on landing ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My option was never not hit and hope my option was some semblence of border control and a willingness from all countries law enforcement agencies in the gathering and sharing of intel on suspected terrorists in the belief that they will never actually make it on to the aircraft in the 1st place. Therfore making the deployment of surface to air missile launchers on civillian roof tops irrelevant.

Running with your views on this how would you feel if members of your family were amongst the few sacrificed in order to save the masses..?

But you are talking about a perfect world where every measure put in place to detect would be terrorists is successful at the first point it possibly could detect them. 9/11 taught that no matter how many measures are put in place a determined person will still get through (although last night's programme on The Hunt for Bin Laden indicated that the internal wranglings between the CIA & the FBI was a direct casue of the system breaking down and information on two of the hijackers was not passed from the CIA to the FBI - if the sources on last night's programme are to be believed that is).

The situation posed is that IF a plane carrying explosives and refuses to answer calls to identify itself and is then discovered to be heading towards the site of the Olympics, should it be shot down.

It's not about why wasn't adequate security measures put in place to prevent the hijacking, nor is it about misfiring electronics on missile systerms. It is quite clearly about shooting down a fully-fuelled aircraft that may well have explosives on board before it can reach it's target and kill thousands of people.

I'm sure that any decision to launch missiles will be taken long before the plane reaches populated areas and it will be challenged whilst it is still possible to prevent deaths on the ground. The missile sites in and around Stratford are for show only and I wouldn't be surprised if any counter measures to shoot said aircraft out of the sky will be launched from HMS Ocean berthed at Greenwich or from Typhoons flying out of RAF Northolt.

Maybe you should stop reading alarmist news progaganda.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Running with your views on this how would you feel if members of your family were amongst the few sacrificed in order to save the masses..?

Maybe you should stop reading alarmist news progaganda."

Alarmist news propaganda ??? Okay how bout i stop watching factual current affairs programmes on the tv and you try make a sensible comment for once other than it was right to shoot dead jean demenzies simply cos he looked like a terrorist....and that adhd is a bullshit condition introduced mainly by single mums claiming benefits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or maybe you should read between the lines and realise that any terrorist thinking of launching an attack on the Olympics should look at missile sites around the Olympic area and know that the ones they can see are not the ones that will bite them on the ass.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You stick to your 'not hit and hope' option, and I'll stick to my 'hit it and be certain thousands in a stadium won't die but a few on the ground might' and we'll leave it there eh?

Running with your views on this how would you feel if members of your family were amongst the few sacrificed in order to save the masses..?

Border control is no good if they aren't planning on landing ..."

They dont just use planes though do they the july 14 bombers simply walked on the tube with bombs in rucksacks ...My view is with better tighter border controls it would allow our intellegence agencies to focus better and more effectivley on our home grown terrorists such as gathering better information on where they are goin coming from such as in the vicinity of trainining terror camps allowing our security forced to operate more effectively by obtaining better intel on would be terrorists in the hope of making arrest prior to them hijacking any planes....shared intel with other countries agencies would be good in tracking said terrorists global movements.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When we get to the point of saying oh well lets kill a few or let a few die to save a few more are we really any better than the terrorists themselves ? Personally if thats the case then i guess we have hit the point of no return in maintaing some semblence of humanity.

That is precisely why we have trained people to make these decisions for us, we can keep our hands clean and our conscience clear.

In truth the best security is never seen, but the best deterent is on public display...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jesus there are some naive fuckers about! The reason stuff is leaked to the press is so the would be terrorists know about what they want them to know. The spook guys then keep track of all their internet natter......come to think of it MI5 will be investigating all that have added to this thread now! Is there an unmarked van outside your house now? If not there will be soon!

The Real sites for Rapier installations will be a well kept secret don’t you know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shit! There's a rathy dodgy looking MkII Capri outside with some leather clad, perm-haired, sunglass wearing dodgy-type people in it. I'm outta here!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shit! There's a rathy dodgy looking MkII Capri outside with some leather clad, perm-haired, sunglass wearing dodgy-type people in it. I'm outta here!

"
Jeez you woke up in Liverpool

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shit! There's a rathy dodgy looking MkII Capri outside with some leather clad, perm-haired, sunglass wearing dodgy-type people in it. I'm outta here!

Jeez you woke up in Liverpool

lmao

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jesus there are some naive fuckers about! The reason stuff is leaked to the press is so the would be terrorists know about what they want them to know. The spook guys then keep track of all their internet natter......come to think of it MI5 will be investigating all that have added to this thread now! Is there an unmarked van outside your house now? If not there will be soon!

The Real sites for Rapier installations will be a well kept secret don’t you know.

I good point ...still it dont stop em carelessly leaving sensitive documents on trains for joe public to have a nosey through

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shit! There's a rathy dodgy looking MkII Capri outside with some leather clad, perm-haired, sunglass wearing dodgy-type people in it. I'm outta here!

Jeez you woke up in Liverpool

lmao "

Oh bollocks, that's even worse. They don't reopen the M62 until 11pm cos by then any car still that still has it's wheels is considered safe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Real sites for Rapier installations will be a well kept secret don’t you know.

I good point ...still it dont stop em carelessly leaving sensitive documents on trains for joe public to have a nosey through"

What they have done that where the air defence installations are going to be sited?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmmm, i see the spirit of the Olympics is kicking in ,

i'm not sure about this latest security announcement ,whats your thoughts

If there is a genuine need?..... I would have thought perhaps the rooftops of accommodation designated for the Olympic committee would seem a more appropriate and less controversial location…….!.

even more so if such missiles were trained on the committee there the ones in masks trying to get you to buy there merchandise.. maybe these missiles being used to prevent a terrorist attack are all a load of baloney and there true intent is simply to fire one up dwain chambers arse in the hope it can spur im on to getting us gold in the 100 meteres

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Saw the forum title. Started reading through the thread. Got bored when it became a slanging match between 'experts' but hey - that's life in the forums!

Only question I want to know is - can I have some. need something on the roof to deter the fecking pigeons round here from shitting on my car roof every day!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Saw the forum title. Started reading through the thread. Got bored when it became a slanging match between 'experts' but hey - that's life in the forums!

Only question I want to know is - can I have some. need something on the roof to deter the fecking pigeons round here from shitting on my car roof every day!

Would be experts! lol yeh we have a few google specialists on here!

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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