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Prince Andrew, did he or didn't he?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

On Panarama..not sure what to think?

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'm not watching it. My reasons will draw the under-bridge dwellers so I'll just read the posts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It's sound likes trial by association at the moment. Epstein was incredibly wealthy with lots of rich and famous guests.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

well, one of them sounds believable.... and its not him

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure..."

When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad.

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By *m A FuckerMan over a year ago

kingswood,surrey/leysdown kent

guilty as fuck!!

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By *ovegames42Man over a year ago

london

Guilty as sin.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad.

Ha ha.

I got sent to bed during my 8th birthday party

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure..."

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad.

Haha

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad.

Ha ha.

I got sent to bed during my 8th birthday party "

I think that might be worse. I hope everyone else enjoyed your party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guilty.

No royal goes to puzza hut without press reporting it.

As he said No he nodded his head as a yes.. This is a natural reaction in liars. Its an automonic response.. His truthfully answer was the nod.. And others where bodyl language assessment experts would eniliate him

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pizza.. Hate this phone

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? "
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She was 17 Mickey, but in some states in America, the legal age is 18 , so depends on where the dirty deed ocurred, if indeed it did?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it?

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By *imbobaMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad.

That’s not true. Mine did it all the time but that was because she was d*unk or stoned.

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By *hezuMan over a year ago

East London

Why do we even have royalty still they're useless

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad.

That’s not true. Mine did it all the time but that was because she was d*unk or stoned. "

Oh dear...

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Why do we even have royalty still they're useless"

That's a whole new thread

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad.

Ha ha.

I got sent to bed during my 8th birthday party

I think that might be worse. I hope everyone else enjoyed your party.

They did lol. I can't imagine what I'd done but it must have been bad because my mum wouldn't do that unless I had

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who knows.....

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Who knows....."

Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who knows.....

Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing

Who knows means everything, because only two ppl know.....

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Who knows.....

Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing

Who knows means everything, because only two ppl know.....

What do you think try?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency."
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I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who knows.....

Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing

Who knows means everything, because only two ppl know.....

What do you think try?"

I don't think. If I don't know then I don't know my lovely, gossip is dangerous innit....

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Who knows.....

Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing

Who knows means everything, because only two ppl know.....

What do you think try?

I don't think. If I don't know then I don't know my lovely, gossip is dangerous innit....

No idea I don't indulge.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Who knows.....

Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing

Who knows means everything, because only two ppl know.....

What do you think try?

I don't think. If I don't know then I don't know my lovely, gossip is dangerous innit....

No idea I don't indulge."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am confused tho ?

Not defending his association !

But has he actually brought ken any laws ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency.,

I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad."

You doubt it based on what?

You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly.

I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning?

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency.,

I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad."

Only he knows the truth. No point in assuming anything.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I am confused tho ?

Not defending his association !

But has he actually brought ken any laws ?"

If he has had sex with a girl of 17 in America, in a state where the legal age is 18, then yes he has.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He's accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old in London

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency.,

I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad.

You doubt it based on what?

You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly.

I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning?"

I've seen nothing thus far to suggest he is guilty of paedophilia, where have you seen that?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"He's accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old in London

And...

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By *sianMancMan over a year ago

Manchester

"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it?"

Finally someone in my wavelength

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"He's accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old in London

Jeez, I'd plead guilty to that!

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency.,

I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad.

You doubt it based on what?

You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly.

I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning?

I've seen nothing thus far to suggest he is guilty of paedophilia, where have you seen that?"

17 year olds in USA is below legal age I believe in some states

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Finally someone in my wavelength

Thank goodness

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency.,

I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad.

You doubt it based on what?

You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly.

I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning?

I've seen nothing thus far to suggest he is guilty of paedophilia, where have you seen that?

17 year olds in USA is below legal age I believe in some states "

You are right, 16 to 18, so depends on which state

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old in London

Jeez, I'd plead guilty to that!

I’m not surprised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is something hidden on this case.. There's alot more behind the scenes.

There will be another death mysteriously no one did it.. All will be connected

More breeds silence

Jill Dando knew too much...Jimmy. Saville rolf Harris etc.. . No one found her killer..

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"There is something hidden on this case.. There's alot more behind the scenes.

There will be another death mysteriously no one did it.. All will be connected

More breeds silence

Jill Dando knew too much...Jimmy. Saville rolf Harris etc.. . No one found her killer.. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is something hidden on this case.. There's alot more behind the scenes.

There will be another death mysteriously no one did it.. All will be connected

More breeds silence

Jill Dando knew too much...Jimmy. Saville rolf Harris etc.. . No one found her killer.. "
well said don't forget Jack the ripper was meant to be royalty too x

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By *ix-foot-two-stuMan over a year ago

Coventry

Google Prince andrew body language.

If the body language expert is expert (and she sounds like it) then his mouth says no, but his body says yes.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"There is something hidden on this case.. There's alot more behind the scenes.

There will be another death mysteriously no one did it.. All will be connected

More breeds silence

Jill Dando knew too much...Jimmy. Saville rolf Harris etc.. . No one found her killer.. well said don't forget Jack the ripper was meant to be royalty too x "
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Who was that then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Google Prince andrew body language.

If the body language expert is expert (and she sounds like it) then his mouth says no, but his body says yes."

I just said that in my post ??

But I not watched no expert.. Its called observation. ??

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Google Prince andrew body language.

If the body language expert is expert (and she sounds like it) then his mouth says no, but his body says yes."

I don't doubt he slept with Virginia, but has he committed a crime, is the question, apart from being a liar

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't forget rolf Harris painted the queen and Jimmy savelle got knighted hymmm. Now then now then now then lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Make my skin crawl.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Don't forget rolf Harris painted the queen and Jimmy savelle got knighted hymmm. Now then now then now then lol "

And..

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By *ecretpantyTV/TS over a year ago

lisburn

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? "

17 and travelling the world in luxury meeting famous people and getting payed well for it.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time?

17 and travelling the world in luxury meeting famous people and getting payed well for it."

Yep

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By *ecretpantyTV/TS over a year ago

lisburn

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

It's looking that way...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Google Prince andrew body language.

If the body language expert is expert (and she sounds like it) then his mouth says no, but his body says yes."

Isnt this an r.kelly song

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh yeah and i reckon he is guilty. 100pc

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Oh yeah and i reckon he is guilty. 100pc"

What do you think he is guilty of?

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

No smoke without fire !

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"No smoke without fire !"

I agree, what part do you think he is guilty of?

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

All of it ! Why would someone accuse someone of something they didnt do ?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"All of it ! Why would someone accuse someone of something they didnt do ?"
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Money?

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

Possibly but sounds to me like there could have been some "recreational substances " involved

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

He's not right on too many levels

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Possibly but sounds to me like there could have been some "recreational substances " involved"
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Not heard that one who said that and why does that make him guilty?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"He's not right on too many levels "

On what levels though?

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By *ORDERMANMan over a year ago

wrexham

If today's media had been around in centuries gone, there wouldn't be royal family today..

If and only if he is found guilty, and found to have been a naughty boy.... Rest assured he'd have nothing on some of his ancestors....

Quite an amusing joke on tonight's repeat have I got news for you

Prince Phillip wooed the Queen when she was only 13

Some things run in the family

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"If today's media had been around in centuries gone, there wouldn't be royal family today..

If and only if he is found guilty, and found to have been a naughty boy.... Rest assured he'd have nothing on some of his ancestors....

Quite an amusing joke on tonight's repeat have I got news for you

Prince Phillip wooed the Queen when she was only 13

Some things run in the family"

There has been no question about Andrew being with someone so young...

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

You never get the full story in the press and the royals are obviously always protected from any scandal.

But he says he has no recollection of being with this lady and she says she was forced into it !

Now let's say that I wanted you to fuck me and you said no way ! ....would it happen ? I doubt it. And he says he cant remember if it happened!!!

Sounds very suspect to me.

The lady in question must have known the accusation would receive very serious attention, yet she still goes public ! Mmmmmm

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"You never get the full story in the press and the royals are obviously always protected from any scandal.

But he says he has no recollection of being with this lady and she says she was forced into it !

Now let's say that I wanted you to fuck me and you said no way ! ....would it happen ? I doubt it. And he says he cant remember if it happened!!!

Sounds very suspect to me.

The lady in question must have known the accusation would receive very serious attention, yet she still goes public ! Mmmmmm"

I think he has been with her but what law has he broken?

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

Errrrr, she claims she was forced to go with him and that surely amounts to rapx and against the law !

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

I think he's guilty of being stupid and having horrific taste in friends. He needs to stop with the bullshit, admit whatever he did and deal with the outcome.

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

"I think he's guilty of being stupid and having horrific taste in friends. He needs to stop with the bullshit, admit whatever he did and deal with the outcome. "

Well said !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guilty. Let's face it he could stayed anywhere as which hotel would turn down a royal. But nope he thinks it's a great idea to stay with a pedophile.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Errrrr, she claims she was forced to go with him and that surely amounts to rapx and against the law !"

She wasn't physically forced, why did she get on a plane and come to London?

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By *ay19720Man over a year ago

Ashford kent

"On Panarama..not sure what to think?"

You can't believe the bbc ...

He did it for sure...

He was there more than he said...

Butler in Buckenham palace was nicked for running pedo ring too..Google it..

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Guilty. Let's face it he could stayed anywhere as which hotel would turn down a royal. But nope he thinks it's a great idea to stay with a pedophile.

I keep asking what he is guilty of and thus can be charged with. No he shouldn't be mixing with a paedo, stupid but that's not against the law, I suspect he had sex with a 17 year old, depending on what state he was in, in the US, that may or may not be against the law. Why has she only now, after 17 years come forward?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"On Panarama..not sure what to think?

You can't believe the bbc ...

He did it for sure...

He was there more than he said...

Butler in Buckenham palace was nicked for running pedo ring too..Google it..

What butler?

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

She claims she was forced!

Do you believe he is innocent of all ?

Would you like a date ? Can I handcuff you to the bed and fuck you anal ? Lol

Just a joke ..please dont take offence x

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"She claims she was forced!

Do you believe he is innocent of all ?

Would you like a date ? Can I handcuff you to the bed and fuck you anal ? Lol

Just a joke ..please dont take offence x"

Is that what he did? She wasnt forced to go anywhere or do anything, she could have said no.

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

"She claims she was forced!

Do you believe he is innocent of all ?

Would you like a date ? Can I handcuff you to the bed and fuck you anal ? Lol

Just a joke ..please dont take offence x

Is that what he did? She wasnt forced to go anywhere or do anything, she could have said no."

Of course she could...but did she ?

She claims she was forced.

The royals are well protected from scandal. Its always going to be difficult to prove !

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By *pitfiremk10Man over a year ago

Gloucester

"Guilty. Let's face it he could stayed anywhere as which hotel would turn down a royal. But nope he thinks it's a great idea to stay with a pedophile.

Could be because the Epstein money supply has dried up!

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"She claims she was forced!

Do you believe he is innocent of all ?

Would you like a date ? Can I handcuff you to the bed and fuck you anal ? Lol

Just a joke ..please dont take offence x

Is that what he did? She wasnt forced to go anywhere or do anything, she could have said no.

Of course she could...but did she ?

She claims she was forced.

The royals are well protected from scandal. Its always going to be difficult to prove !"

Forced onto a private jet, I would be kicking and screaming if I didn't want to go. If he has committed a crime I hope he is punished for it, can they prove it after 17 years, I doubt it.

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By *udosMan over a year ago

hull

I'll call my pilot...pack your best undies ! Lol

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Guilty. Let's face it he could stayed anywhere as which hotel would turn down a royal. But nope he thinks it's a great idea to stay with a pedophile.

Could be because the Epstein money supply has dried up!"

Could well be, it has coincided with his 'suicide'

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By *ay19720Man over a year ago

Ashford kent

"On Panarama..not sure what to think?

You can't believe the bbc ...

He did it for sure...

He was there more than he said...

Butler in Buckenham palace was nicked for running pedo ring too..Google it..

What butler?"

2008. Paul kir..55 google it..they have been around pedos for many yrs..Savile. hall harris.plus clergy. .its all there too find.

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By *ay19720Man over a year ago

Ashford kent

Epstien didn't kill himself. ..so who killed him and why..?. What will Epstiens little black book say...lol

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By *traight up guyMan over a year ago

Morpeth

"I am confused tho ?

Not defending his association !

But has he actually brought ken any laws ?"

Yes, if she's been coerced to have sex with him when she didn't want to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty "

Indeed, and more to the point, proven in a court of law and not by media

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Amazing there isn’t a rowdy bunch of people carrying pitchforks and spades running up the Mall shouting “ burn him burn him”

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By *ix-foot-two-stuMan over a year ago

Coventry

Forced is a strong word. I think coerced is probably more accurate. But at 17, Virgina Roberts was a child.

To my mind, Prince Andrew is guilty of accepting sexual arrangements by Epstein and Maxwell involving minors which meant he could then be bl@ckmailed.

He was in an environment in which this kind of sexual activity was the norm and people in that immediate environment knew it.

Ensuring that the threat of bl@ckmail would not become a reality is why he met with Epstein after Epstein was released from jail.

Andrew is guilty of over confidence and stupidity in taking that BBC interview in which he is clearly lying. In doing it, he has dug himself into a deeper hole.

At this point with US subpoenas, he can’t travel to the States without having to testify or challenge the court ruling.

He’s stepped back from public duties. He’s going to have to step back from public life. Live somewhere quiet, unseen and watch a lot of Netflix for a few years.

Note this forum has banned the word bl@ckmail for some unfathomable reason. Ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am confused tho ?

Not defending his association !

But has he actually brought ken any laws ?

Yes, if she's been coerced to have sex with him when she didn't want to."

This is the bit that is being missed. She was a minor who was trafficked and coerced. Let's call it what it is -r@pe.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple over a year ago

notts

And if after the first time why did she go twice more

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The real depressing thing is that yet again on fab people seem to have such a poor understanding of what constitutes consent

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By *ix-foot-two-stuMan over a year ago

Coventry

"And if after the first time why did she go twice more "

Because coercion is not something confined to a single occasion? It can happen over a longer period of time?

Like bl@ckmail is used to coerce someone into doing something for years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment.

Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not watching it. My reasons will draw the under-bridge dwellers so I'll just read the posts.

What do you mean about your reasons?

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By *aked-coffeeMan over a year ago

denby

What he did or did not do he’s not linked with anything illegal just immoral

Anyone on here in that position no one would know or care the fact he’s a royal is why he is better put to trial by media

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

Just to say. The law thing....

”It is an offence for a person aged 18 or over to have any sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 if the older person holds a position of trust as such sexual activity is an abuse of the position of trust.“

He’s screwed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Guilty.

No royal goes to puzza hut without press reporting it.

How many would know Edward if he walked into pizza hut. It is plausible cos he has been out if the public eye for so long. Press wouldn't have been interested in him going to pizza hut most wouldn't even know who he was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guilty as charged he knows what he did

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Errorl Flynn hosted parties with lots of underage girls. His last regular gf was 15.

But he is still considered a legend by most.

Epstein finally didn't get away with it. Prince Andrew is just a dope caught in an apparent free ride but looks as guilty as hell.

Only time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Only 2 people know the truth but which one is telling it

With so much negativity in the world it’s frightening to think what world the young are going to inherit

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Only 2 people know the truth but which one is telling it

With so much negativity in the world it’s frightening to think what world the young are going to inherit "
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Neither of them is telling the truth. Only their version and perception of what happened

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries. "

Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Only 2 people know the truth but which one is telling it

With so much negativity in the world it’s frightening to think what world the young are going to inherit I

Neither of them is telling the truth. Only their version and perception of what happened"

Yes it was sometime ago and she admitted to getting some dates and places muddled up.

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By *ix-foot-two-stuMan over a year ago

Coventry

"Neither of them is telling the truth. Only their version and perception of what happened"

Well they could believe they are telling the truth, and if so, their body language would reveal that.

Andrew clearly knew he was lying.

And within their recollections of events there will more likely than not be truths about core elements. If their memory is good, then there will be more truths.

Andrew said he went to pizza express and already we have people on here saying it was Pizza Hut.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries.

Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out?"

The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries.

Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out?

The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless."

Yes I agree, but she was offered a job as a masseuse at 15 at a high profile persons house, would her father not intervene in this situation?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries.

Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out?

The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless.

Yes I agree, but she was offered a job as a masseuse at 15 at a high profile persons house, would her father not intervene in this situation?"

I Damn well know my father would have!

I think that there's likely to be a whole set of circumstances and variety of people who contributed to what this young woman alleges.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries.

Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out?

The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless.

Yes I agree, but she was offered a job as a masseuse at 15 at a high profile persons house, would her father not intervene in this situation?

I Damn well know my father would have!

I think that there's likely to be a whole set of circumstances and variety of people who contributed to what this young woman alleges. "
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She didn't have a great childhood, which is very sad, maybe she was looking for a better life. There is obviously a lot we don't know and probably never will

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By *ip_brumMan over a year ago

Solihull

Surely it should be fairly easy to prove categorically where he was on these dates, his Royal protection officers will have kept official work diaries. Why have they not been summoned to give evidence in the US?

I’m genuinely intrigued as to has an offence been committed if she was 17 but the sex happened in the UK ? Was she still “underage” ?

Also let’s get the other thing straight Epstein was not a paedophile he was most likely an ephebophile, quite a difference if you look up the definitions. (Spell check not working)

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Surely it should be fairly easy to prove categorically where he was on these dates, his Royal protection officers will have kept official work diaries. Why have they not been summoned to give evidence in the US?

I’m genuinely intrigued as to has an offence been committed if she was 17 but the sex happened in the UK ? Was she still “underage” ?

Also let’s get the other thing straight Epstein was not a paedophile he was most likely an ephebophile, quite a difference if you look up the definitions. (Spell check not working)"
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I don't think anyone is obliged, at this point, to go there. What would they be summoned for. The statute of limitations means that no one is likely to be subpoenaed.Why is Epstein not a paedophile?

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

I’m genuinely intrigued as to has an offence been committed if she was 17 but the sex happened in the UK ? Was she still “underage” ?

Also let’s get the other thing straight Epstein was not a paedophile he was most likely an ephebophile, quite a difference if you look up the definitions. (Spell check not working),

I don't think anyone is obliged, at this point, to go there. What would they be summoned for. The statute of limitations means that no one is likely to be subpoenaed.Why is Epstein not a paedophile?"

I think the guy is saying that Epstein wasn't a paedophile because they are interested in young girls where Ephebophilia is apparently sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally aged 14/15 upwards.

I've Never heard the term before today, I just classed sex with under aged girls as paedophilia and still will.

But regardless of the technicalities of what you want to call him let's not forget he was a sex trafficker and forcing underage girls to have sex with himself and his cronies is vile and illegal.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

I’m genuinely intrigued as to has an offence been committed if she was 17 but the sex happened in the UK ? Was she still “underage” ?

Also let’s get the other thing straight Epstein was not a paedophile he was most likely an ephebophile, quite a difference if you look up the definitions. (Spell check not working),

I don't think anyone is obliged, at this point, to go there. What would they be summoned for. The statute of limitations means that no one is likely to be subpoenaed.Why is Epstein not a paedophile?

I've Never heard the term before today, I just classed sex with under aged girls as paedophilia and still will.

But regardless of the technicalities of what you want to call him let's not forget he was a sex trafficker and forcing underage girls to have sex with himself and his cronies is vile and illegal.

That's my understanding of the term too. Yes Epstein was vile. As I've said if Andrew can help with enquiries into this man, then I think he should, for the victims sake, 18 years is a long time ago though. I doubt he'll go.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Was she paid for the interview? I suspect she is looking to make financial gain out of it all from what I have heard. Did he lie? Did she lie? I doubt either of them are telling the truth as in most cases.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Was she paid for the interview? I suspect she is looking to make financial gain out of it all from what I have heard. Did he lie? Did she lie? I doubt either of them are telling the truth as in most cases."

I would imagine she would have been paid. They've probably both exaggerated the truth or been evasive, at some point, like I said 18 years is a long time. It's a shame Epstein has died, so he cant stand trial.

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By *iker BullMan over a year ago

leeds

Absolutely correct

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dont care

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By *iker BullMan over a year ago

leeds

Don’t think for one minute Epstein killed himself,he was whacked to save the guilty,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles!

Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!!

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles!

Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!! "

Thank you.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Don’t think for one minute Epstein killed himself,he was whacked to save the guilty,"

I do wonder..

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By *hilledout-coupleCouple over a year ago

telford

I believe he has and I also fear for her life. History shows anyone that threatens “the firm” normally ends up dead

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By *sianMancMan over a year ago

Manchester

You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles!

Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!!

Thank you."

It's amazing how when the fuckers in Rotherham etc did it the race and ethnicity was highlighted as was religion as if all that is what makes a criminal but when the shoes on the other foot it's not even hinted at.

Rant over

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I believe he has and I also fear for her life. History shows anyone that threatens “the firm” normally ends up dead "
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Yes, the dark forces!

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles!

Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!!

Thank you.

Rant over"

Yes there is good and bad in all.

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By *ip_brumMan over a year ago

Solihull

"Don’t think for one minute Epstein killed himself,he was whacked to save the guilty,"

I think you’d have to say that’s the logical conclusion, too many people had too much to lose if he opened his mouth in court.

I’m pretty sure he would’ve as well, facing the kind of sentence he was facing, why not go down and take them with him.

As to my earlier post I wasn’t defending him, I just wanted to point out the correct term for his fetish. It’s a shame he won’t be punished for what he undoubtedly did, let’s hope Ms Maxwell get her due.

As for why the girl has come forward now ? I imagine Mr Epstein’s massive estate has some bearing on that.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Don’t think for one minute Epstein killed himself,he was whacked to save the guilty,

I think you’d have to say that’s the logical conclusion, too many people had too much to lose if he opened his mouth in court.

I’m pretty sure he would’ve as well, facing the kind of sentence he was facing, why not go down and take them with him.

As for why the girl has come forward now ? I imagine Mr Epstein’s massive estate has some bearing on that. "

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By *ensualMan over a year ago

Sutton

The question is, what offence has he committed in America? So far the American prosecuting authorities have shown no interest in speaking with him or stated he has committed an offence. Has he committed an offence in the UK? I doubt it someone earlier referred to some UK legislation which I am not sure it is applicable. The criminal claims are being made by the victims of Epstein and their lawyers. The victim in relation to Andrew says she was "trafficked" i.e brought here for the purposes of sex, and Andrew knew and therefore was complicit. There being no other evidence the victim's lawyers are asking Andrew to effectively either voluntarily incriminate himself, or to say something so that they can tie him up in the civil courts so he pays out. That is why they keep throwing up evidence to make him look seedy but do not prove any offence.

Be under no illusion that the end game here is not prosecution of Andrew as a criminal but a civil case and a claim for damages and or a settlement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I haven't watched much of this at all, but have a couple of thoughts:

The girl was 17 - perfectly legal in the UK. He might be a dirty old man, but that, thank fuck, is not a crime.

Even in the US, where she may not have been legal in some states? (don't know) I believe the statute of limitations will have expired in most areas, so no-one is going to charge him.

How was the girl coerced? Or was she paid/bribed at the time, and sees a possible payday again now?

Don't know. Just asking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The question is, what offence has he committed in America? So far the American prosecuting authorities have shown no interest in speaking with him or stated he has committed an offence. Has he committed an offence in the UK? I doubt it someone earlier referred to some UK legislation which I am not sure it is applicable. The criminal claims are being made by the victims of Epstein and their lawyers. The victim in relation to Andrew says she was "trafficked" i.e brought here for the purposes of sex, and Andrew knew and therefore was complicit. There being no other evidence the victim's lawyers are asking Andrew to effectively either voluntarily incriminate himself, or to say something so that they can tie him up in the civil courts so he pays out. That is why they keep throwing up evidence to make him look seedy but do not prove any offence.

Be under no illusion that the end game here is not prosecution of Andrew as a criminal but a civil case and a claim for damages and or a settlement."

This. Spot on

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Be under no illusion that the end game here is not prosecution of Andrew as a criminal but a civil case and a claim for damages and or a settlement."

These are my thoughts too. Surely this can only be a civil case, would she won a case after 18 yeats, maybe not...

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Be under no illusion that the end game here is not prosecution of Andrew as a criminal but a civil case and a claim for damages and or a settlement.

These are my thoughts too. Surely this can only be a civil case, would she won a case after 18 yeats, maybe not..."

*win and years*

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I haven't watched much of this at all, but have a couple of thoughts:

The girl was 17 - perfectly legal in the UK. He might be a dirty old man, but that, thank fuck, is not a crime.

Even in the US, where she may not have been legal in some states? (don't know) I believe the statute of limitations will have expired in most areas, so no-one is going to charge him.

How was the girl coerced? Or was she paid/bribed at the time, and sees a possible payday again now?

Don't know. Just asking."

Yes my understanding is that the statute of limitations will have expired now. I understand she was paid.

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By *iker BullMan over a year ago

leeds

Anybody who watched his interview and doesn’t think he was lying really needs to find a mirror and have a word with themselves. And in some states she was a minor,so it was an offence. Like I’ve already said Epstein was wacked Andrew is guilty,so is maxwell and no doubt dozens more high rankers in society,Christ the bbc covered up jimmy saville for years,,what do you think the mi5,CIA are capable of?

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? "

It's about the abuse if power as well as age.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I'm convinced the guy is a creep.

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By *iker BullMan over a year ago

leeds

Absolutely an abuse of power

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Anybody who watched his interview and doesn’t think he was lying really needs to find a mirror and have a word with themselves. And in some states she was a minor,so it was an offence. Like I’ve already said Epstein was wacked Andrew is guilty,so is maxwell and no doubt dozens more high rankers in society,Christ the bbc covered up jimmy saville for years,,what do you think the mi5,CIA are capable of?"

I thought it looked that way, I'm still not sure why he decided to do the interview, was it because Virginia had recorded hers 3 weeks earlier , why didn't they air it then?

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By *r AmbassadorMan over a year ago

Dublin

Course he did

Get your head out of the sand. Red

Flags were raised on this scumbag years ago, I'd say Fergie sitting on a ton of shite about him,

You just have to look at vids on his 2 buddies, Trump and Mr not dead, filthy fffkers the lot of them,

And the numbers in their powerful circle is frightening.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls."

Most would do what?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most would do what?"
fly round the world with young ladies on arm

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By *ip_brumMan over a year ago

Solihull

Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm "

I don’t think it’s his arm they’re worried about them being on.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm "

A bit more than that. He allegedly had sex with a girl who may have been under the age of consent and who was procured by a madam....

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By *ichaelangelaCouple over a year ago

notts

Well the UK should be happy to send Andrew over there for questioning just as soon as they send that woman here for questioning about that young lad she killed

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

Appreciate it's your opinion so alls good

But you're not talking for me or my mates when you say most men would do the same if we were in his position.

*Where's the fun in having sex with a 17yo girl supplied to you like a piece of meat.

* If it's true

As a man i want sex with a willing partner or I'd rather go without.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Well the UK should be happy to send Andrew over there for questioning just as soon as they send that woman here for questioning about that young lad she killed "
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Sadly, I doubt that will happen. She definitely should be sent here, regardless.

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm "

Some of which have allegedly been groomed from the age of 14 ?!

Wow

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Appreciate it's your opinion so alls good

But you're not talking for me or my mates when you say most men would do the same if we were in his position.

*Where's the fun in having sex with a 17yo girl supplied to you like a piece of meat.

* If it's true

As a man i want sex with a willing partner or I'd rather go without.

Quite true, maybe a lesson learnt for the poster,read the thread before you make such unsavoury comments.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm

Some of which have allegedly been groomed from the age of 14 ?!

Wow

Yep, scary indeed

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan over a year ago

Southern England

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? ,

She was 17 Mickey, but in some states in America, the legal age is 18 , so depends on where the dirty deed ocurred, if indeed it did?

It happened in belgravia by what i understand.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan over a year ago

Southern England

If you watch the bbc interview he is guilty. Provided no evidence to back up his claims.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm "

His friend ran a grooming gang.

Just like in Rotherham.

Trafficking vulnerable young girls for sex with adult men.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? ,

She was 17 Mickey, but in some states in America, the legal age is 18 , so depends on where the dirty deed ocurred, if indeed it did?

It happened in belgravia by what i understand."

Ok. Talking about America where the age of consent, in some states, is 18, she was 17.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"If you watch the bbc interview he is guilty. Provided no evidence to back up his claims."

He hasn't been charged with anything or accused of anything by the authorities.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

GUILTY ME LORD....

Hang on..... He is part of the BIGGEST Mafia families on earth, that being the Royal family..... Look what they errrrrr, ,,,, , didn't do to Dianna? Thinking about it. Hmmmm I like my life so I better say innocent until proven guilty.....

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS over a year ago

west here ford shire

Truth, we will probably not know the real truth, I am not one of these people who see conspiracy in everything, Diana's Death is sad but irrelevant as no one knows what happened therefore you can guess and create mass hysteria ( which seems to be what happened with princess Di.)

Now Andrew, yes he has been guilty of associating with a known sexual predator, as he is now dead m, we will never know what he was going to say in court, so of course the masses are seeing conspiracy again, with what evidence?

Prince Andrew doesn’t seem to have broken any criminal law, yet he is being castrated by the press and a victim has come out of the woodwork 18 yrs on?? Why not sooner??

It seems to me this is now about money, wherever money gets involved in these things, it’s never about the crime, it’s how much can I get!!

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Truth, we will probably not know the real truth, I am not one of these people who see conspiracy in everything, Diana's Death is sad but irrelevant as no one knows what happened therefore you can guess and create mass hysteria ( which seems to be what happened with princess Di.)

Prince Andrew doesn’t seem to have broken any criminal law, yet he is being castrated by the press and a victim has come out of the woodwork 18 yrs on?? Why not sooner??

It seems to me this is now about money, wherever money gets involved in these things, it’s never about the crime, it’s how much can I get!!"

Yes Stella

Dai Davies, former royal protection officer, has said that at that time, Andrew would have been guarded 24/7 and has suggested that he and his security staff are questioned by the FBI, about events, so it can be cleared up one way or the other...hmmm...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As guilty as his father and brother Chaz, all vile humans!

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"GUILTY ME LORD....

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"As guilty as his father and brother Chaz, all vile humans!"

What did they do?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As guilty as his father and brother Chaz, all vile humans!

What did they do?"

Well known peadophiles, Jimmy Savile procured children for the royal family! Common knowledge, he used to walk in and out of Buckingham (biggest council house in world) don't take my word for it, do some research, all the evidence is there, nothing will ever happen to them, because They ARE the law! Sad x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure...

That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? "

Doesn't matter, they were groomed, and afraid.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"As guilty as his father and brother Chaz, all vile humans!

What did they do?

Ok, I wasn't aware that Prince Philip and Prince Charles were paeodophiles, but I will do as you suggest and have a read.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan over a year ago

Aylesbury

Andy is totally guilty, the dirty little perv

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

I'm still doing my research, as suggested, on Prince Charles and Prince Philip being paedophiles...I may be some time...

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

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I know, crazy isn't it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know, crazy isn't it

Well what can we say ?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

What can we say, we could start a new thread!

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