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By *stella OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Tell me more. You do it better than google. X"
The award winning Philip Pullman trilogy; a coming of age story set in fantasy lands and parallel universes. Beautiful storytelling being retold with a sublime cast by the resplendent BBC. |
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"Tell me more. You do it better than google. X
The award winning Philip Pullman trilogy; a coming of age story set in fantasy lands and parallel universes. Beautiful storytelling being retold with a sublime cast by the resplendent BBC. "
Thank you lovely x |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
I'm really looking forward to it. It has to be better than the glossy film, that missed the point.
It's got Clarke Peters in it. That's enough for me. Although, I will have to stop my brain from singing Louis Jordan every time he speaks.
I've got the second Book of Dust waiting for me as my Christmas read.
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By *stella OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"I feel like a little kid before Christmas!
I can sense your excitement and it's getting me excited  "
I’m literally squirming in my seat waiting. Please let it be good! I want that escapist joy that comes with entering a world created with adventures and peril and good and evil, oh how I yearn for a rollicking adventure! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't know... I read all the books many years ago and loved them so much. The film was utter shite though 
Saying that, i read Good Omens over 20 years ago and loved it to bits and was dreading the series.. but I actually really enjoyed it  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I liked it, however I feel it underplayed the importance of the daemons. Even though it said it was a person's soul. Lots of people on screen, hardly any daemons."
But great play made of the daemons at the coming of age ceremony.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"I liked it, however I feel it underplayed the importance of the daemons. Even though it said it was a person's soul. Lots of people on screen, hardly any daemons.
But great play made of the daemons at the coming of age ceremony.
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Yes, I feel that helped a little. Was actually an awesome scene. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I read the books years ago, along with the follow on Once Upon a Time in the North.
Amazing! I loved the Golden Compass film they did a few years ago, shame they didn't continue
Loved this new series! Have been so waiting for it |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Far better then the movie so far, looking forward to the rest of the series."
I think the longer form will help with the pacing. The film had to strip back too much from the story to fit the format. They decided to feature scenes with the big name stars and it suffered for those decisions.
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
Craggy Island |
"Far better then the movie so far, looking forward to the rest of the series.
I think the longer form will help with the pacing. The film had to strip back too much from the story to fit the format. They decided to feature scenes with the big name stars and it suffered for those decisions.
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It just goes to prove that most books make better tv then film. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Far better then the movie so far, looking forward to the rest of the series.
I think the longer form will help with the pacing. The film had to strip back too much from the story to fit the format. They decided to feature scenes with the big name stars and it suffered for those decisions.
It just goes to prove that most books make better tv then film."
The Green Mile and Shawshank might not have worked as a long-form telly.
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
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"Far better then the movie so far, looking forward to the rest of the series.
I think the longer form will help with the pacing. The film had to strip back too much from the story to fit the format. They decided to feature scenes with the big name stars and it suffered for those decisions.
It just goes to prove that most books make better tv then film.
The Green Mile and Shawshank might not have worked as a long-form telly.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"Watched for the first time tonight ... nope.... can’t get into it at all. It’s similar to J K Rowling Fantastic Beasts and where to find them, I couldn’t get into that either. "
As much as I like the show, the first 2 episodes are not doing a great deal to show how good the books actually are. It does and should get better. |
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"Watched for the first time tonight ... nope.... can’t get into it at all. It’s similar to J K Rowling Fantastic Beasts and where to find them, I couldn’t get into that either.
As much as I like the show, the first 2 episodes are not doing a great deal to show how good the books actually are. It does and should get better."
I tend to find if I leave until series end and then watch on catch up, I sometimes do then get into it.... maybe.... |
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By *stella OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Watched for the first time tonight ... nope.... can’t get into it at all. It’s similar to J K Rowling Fantastic Beasts and where to find them, I couldn’t get into that either.
As much as I like the show, the first 2 episodes are not doing a great deal to show how good the books actually are. It does and should get better."
I think knowing the books and being as big a fan as I am of them will certainly be influencing my glee in watching a good adaptation unfold. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Loving it. Saw the Philip Pullman doc afterwards which had scenes from the film. Just confirmed how rubbish the film was and how good the series is. It’s a slow build, which is risky in the multichannel Netflix era, but I think it’s wonderful.
I’m particularly enjoying Lord Boreal, or would like to (cough).  |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"Watched for the first time tonight ... nope.... can’t get into it at all. It’s similar to J K Rowling Fantastic Beasts and where to find them, I couldn’t get into that either.
As much as I like the show, the first 2 episodes are not doing a great deal to show how good the books actually are. It does and should get better.
I think knowing the books and being as big a fan as I am of them will certainly be influencing my glee in watching a good adaptation unfold. "
That's the thing that slightly worries me. Because it is so slow it is less appealing overall to none readers. Obviously there will be exceptions. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Loving it. Saw the Philip Pullman doc afterwards which had scenes from the film. Just confirmed how rubbish the film was and how good the series is. It’s a slow build, which is risky in the multichannel Netflix era, but I think it’s wonderful.
I’m particularly enjoying Lord Boreal, or would like to (cough). "
Ditto. Also |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm just re watching the first episode before I watch tonight's one. If I'm really honest I'm not getting it so far  "
Stick with it, once the Armoured Bear gets involved it’ll come together.. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"It’s such a relief that they are sticking closely to the book unlike that rubbish film a few years ago. I can’t wait for them to get to Svalbard and meet Iorek Byrnison"
The film was decidedly meh. It did feel risky tuning in for this. It was a Pullman interview that gave me hope.
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"I'm just re watching the first episode before I watch tonight's one. If I'm really honest I'm not getting it so far
Stick with it, once the Armoured Bear gets involved it’ll come together.."
Still non the wiser.....
Guess I'll see what next week's episode brings  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Love even more than the film,I hope it goes further than the film"
I think they are already filming the next series.
This is infinitely better than the film.
I just wish I liked Lyra more.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
That should have been much more brutal than it was. Like much more, even the movie with less blood had the most brutal part.
It felt rushed unfortunately, as good as it was, it certainly did not do the books justice in this case. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"That should have been much more brutal than it was. Like much more, even the movie with less blood had the most brutal part.
It felt rushed unfortunately, as good as it was, it certainly did not do the books justice in this case. "
Have you skipped ahead to the end?
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"That should have been much more brutal than it was. Like much more, even the movie with less blood had the most brutal part.
It felt rushed unfortunately, as good as it was, it certainly did not do the books justice in this case.
Have you skipped ahead to the end?
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Sorry I mean just the episode tonight. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"That should have been much more brutal than it was. Like much more, even the movie with less blood had the most brutal part.
It felt rushed unfortunately, as good as it was, it certainly did not do the books justice in this case.
Have you skipped ahead to the end?
Sorry I mean just the episode tonight. "
Ah!
I found Sister Clara's murder quite brutal.
Adaptation are always interpretations and I suppose they decided this section could be truncated. It's always a risk watching someone's interpretation of your interpretation of another's work.
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One of my favourite, if not the favourite, series of the year.
It's so good. When I read the books it's how I imagined they looked like in my head but on screen.
I get they can't do everything like the gory battle and some things have been changed but I like it.
There's less of an emphasis on the demons and the alethiometer and more on Lyra, which I think is nice.
Loving it all far. Already looking forward to season 2! |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"It's a good adaptation. Bearing in mind it's pre-watershed telly, with a clear intent on worldwide sales, it's doing the book as much justice as it can."
Actually this episode was purposely aired after watershed (bit just due to sports personality). It was due to the visible blood. At that rate they might have gone the whole 9 yards and shown the jaw being swiped off. Even the movie had that very critical part. I reread the fight sequence and the TV show duel really let the writing of the book down big time. One thing the movie did well was showing the brutality of that fight (just didn't have blood). The whole relationship with Lyra and Iorek is rushed.
My largest criticism of the whole thing (and I do love the show) is that too much build up of Will is happening at the same time, when we should be getting more focus on Lyra's world.
All of the Will stuff could have been done in episode 1 of season 2. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"It's a good adaptation. Bearing in mind it's pre-watershed telly, with a clear intent on worldwide sales, it's doing the book as much justice as it can.
Actually this episode was purposely aired after watershed (bit just due to sports personality). It was due to the visible blood. At that rate they might have gone the whole 9 yards and shown the jaw being swiped off. Even the movie had that very critical part. I reread the fight sequence and the TV show duel really let the writing of the book down big time. One thing the movie did well was showing the brutality of that fight (just didn't have blood). The whole relationship with Lyra and Iorek is rushed.
My largest criticism of the whole thing (and I do love the show) is that too much build up of Will is happening at the same time, when we should be getting more focus on Lyra's world.
All of the Will stuff could have been done in episode 1 of season 2. "
Even the movie had shown the detailed killing blow of swiping Ragnar's jaw clean off. |
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I've not read the books but I am completely obsessed with the show. I do feel like it's moving very fast though and I'm missing out on loads of information!! I'll have to read the books. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I wanted to be gripped but gave up at episode 3. I want to binge it at the end and give it my total concentration. I found Lyra a bit disappointing initially but the effects are outstanding.
Has anyone else spent too much time pondering on what their Daemon would be? Peacock for me.  |
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"I've not read the books but I am completely obsessed with the show. I do feel like it's moving very fast though and I'm missing out on loads of information!! I'll have to read the books. "
Mrs and I were musing on just this last night. Book readers can fill in the gaps almost subconsciously. We did think it would seem fast paced and a little confusing for non book viewers. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I've not read the books but I am completely obsessed with the show. I do feel like it's moving very fast though and I'm missing out on loads of information!! I'll have to read the books. "
Do it!
The writing in the books is so good. Not just the content itself but words used and in such a way.
I even found it good on audio book too. The one I listened to had multiple readers and voices for different characters. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"It's a good adaptation. Bearing in mind it's pre-watershed telly, with a clear intent on worldwide sales, it's doing the book as much justice as it can.
Actually this episode was purposely aired after watershed (bit just due to sports personality). It was due to the visible blood. At that rate they might have gone the whole 9 yards and shown the jaw being swiped off. Even the movie had that very critical part. I reread the fight sequence and the TV show duel really let the writing of the book down big time. One thing the movie did well was showing the brutality of that fight (just didn't have blood). The whole relationship with Lyra and Iorek is rushed.
My largest criticism of the whole thing (and I do love the show) is that too much build up of Will is happening at the same time, when we should be getting more focus on Lyra's world.
All of the Will stuff could have been done in episode 1 of season 2. "
The director wrote about introducing Will's story in the way it has been. It's worth a read.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stuck with it so interested to see how it finishes.
Xmas Carol looks like it might be good too."
Created by the people who did Peaky Blinders so should be good |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm traumatised, I have bought the books for Christmas, no way can I wait 10 months to find out what happens next."
The books are deep and rich. Perfect for Christmas. I think The Subtle Knife is my favourite of the trilogy.
I think this has been a fairly good adaptation, on the whole. Ruth Wilson's physicality was outstanding.
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By *stella OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I'm traumatised, I have bought the books for Christmas, no way can I wait 10 months to find out what happens next.
The books are deep and rich. Perfect for Christmas. I think The Subtle Knife is my favourite of the trilogy.
I think this has been a fairly good adaptation, on the whole. Ruth Wilson's physicality was outstanding.
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Agreed re Ruth. Her rageful screams were terrifying. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm traumatised, I have bought the books for Christmas, no way can I wait 10 months to find out what happens next.
The books are deep and rich. Perfect for Christmas. I think The Subtle Knife is my favourite of the trilogy.
I think this has been a fairly good adaptation, on the whole. Ruth Wilson's physicality was outstanding.
Agreed re Ruth. Her rageful screams were terrifying."
I found her simian attack, mirroring her daemon, was horrifically terrifying. The quivering with rage made me tense waiting for her to spring.
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By *r MoriartyMan
over a year ago
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"Have to be honest I think this has been poor, the first two episodes I enjoyed and thought it had promise but since then it's gone really down hill.
What aspects did you find poor?
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The middle episodes were repetitive, the amount of times I heard the line "we will get our children back" just became grating and it didn't seem to be going anywhere.
The relationship with Lyra and the Bear felt unnatural and hurried, they became soul mates and she describes him as loving her but I don't see the events they went through together as enough to account for such a bond bearing in mind they had only known each other a matter of days, hours maybe? There are other things which I didn't like and spoiled it for me but they are the first to come to mind.
I've watched it all as some episodes are decent overall.
It just feels like it was made for kids to me, it doesn't feel like a fantasy epic for adults which I was hoping it would be. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Have to be honest I think this has been poor, the first two episodes I enjoyed and thought it had promise but since then it's gone really down hill.
What aspects did you find poor?
The middle episodes were repetitive, the amount of times I heard the line "we will get our children back" just became grating and it didn't seem to be going anywhere.
The relationship with Lyra and the Bear felt unnatural and hurried, they became soul mates and she describes him as loving her but I don't see the events they went through together as enough to account for such a bond bearing in mind they had only known each other a matter of days, hours maybe? There are other things which I didn't like and spoiled it for me but they are the first to come to mind.
I've watched it all as some episodes are decent overall.
It just feels like it was made for kids to me, it doesn't feel like a fantasy epic for adults which I was hoping it would be."
Yes, very much.
Stand alone it was fine, but like all adaptions they made short cuts and failed to keep to the spirit of things.
I have said it before, Will's back story should have been the first episode of season 2, not running along side Lyra's in season 1. The other world stuff is part of the mystery of her journey. It took away a huge chunk of time for character building from her. Lyra herself has much more attitude in the books.
Maybe it's because I knew what happens, but it didn't seem to me they tried to be subtle (book pun!) in trying to hide the secrets and small twists that were big things in the book. Lyra's parents for example, far too obvious who they were in episode 1 and 2.
As said, her relationship with Iorek goes much deeper and there is a connection between them that was rushed and barely seen. In fact Iorek's entire personality was watered down. It didn't show how proud but also ashamed he was of his heritage and past. The fight to the death, while bloody and had impact fell far short of the grace, majesty, and amazing writing of that scene in the books. It was rushed.
To say I hated it and feel my time watching was wasted would be a lie. But disappointed in how it did eventually turn out is true. |
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I think my daughter summed it up quite well. She came in while I was watching, and was struck that it was a BBC production and not a Netflix one. It was impressive for the BBC but... It was missing so much |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I think my daughter summed it up quite well. She came in while I was watching, and was struck that it was a BBC production and not a Netflix one. It was impressive for the BBC but... It was missing so much"
BBC and HBO joint production. That's why it's impressive for the BBC. |
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"Loving the series. Never read Philip Pullman before but I think I’ll treat myself for Christmas! "
The books are excellent. That's one reason why it's hard for any film or tv adaptation to live up to them.
So far, given all the various restrictions, this has been a decent effort.
It's not going to do Phil, HBO or the BBC's bank balance any harm, for sure. |
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