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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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I've been thinking about this recently. I think that it's just as important for children to grow up recognising strong characters of all genders as well as having their parental figures, in order to become accepting adults.
I try to make sure that my children are shown as many examples of positive gender role models as possible to this end.
In recent years there have been more and more strong female leads. Do you agree with this? Is this something that you look for? Do you feel that more can be done? |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"Do you mean role models like on tv or real life? Some parents might not live in a community where there's an opportunity to mingle with decent people."
I'm thinking from fiction and in real life. |
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over a year ago
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Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months. |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"Who are some strong female role models that you discuss with your kids?
Apologies I couldn’t answer your OP in that I don’t have children myself."
We went to see Captain Marvel the other week, in that there's a sequence which denotes her getting up every time that she gets knocked down. I found that particularly striking and it set me thinking about the role models that I show to my kids, in fiction and real life.
I realised that I show them characters and people like that of all genders (not just female ones) |
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By *ydnNancyCouple
over a year ago
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In recent years there have been more and more strong female leads. Do you agree with this? Is this something that you look for? Do you feel that more can be done? "
There have been some great strides to promote strong females, and more importantly with no race or culture bias either
I think it’s really important and we should promote the reality not the stereotypes we cling onto
As a woman who works in a male dominated industry I’m hoping to be a role model to those who follow, so why shouldn’t there be more in pop culture
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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From a slightly different angle, female superheroes are making it more on to tv/film/cartoon so for kids this can spark their interest more than say Marie curie or Florence nightingale
The natural history museum recently uploaded a picture of all their female staff, curators scientists etc. Which was pretty ace! |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"Who are some strong female role models that you discuss with your kids?
Apologies I couldn’t answer your OP in that I don’t have children myself.
We went to see Captain Marvel the other week, in that there's a sequence which denotes her getting up every time that she gets knocked down. I found that particularly striking and it set me thinking about the role models that I show to my kids, in fiction and real life.
I realised that I show them characters and people like that of all genders (not just female ones) "
I was wondering if you were thinking about Captain Marvel! Yes, it was a bloody beautiful scene and that resilience was wonderful. I did leave the cinema feeling particularly... empowered? I'm not sure. More depictions of women lifting each other up and supporting each other would be great. |
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By *Jones19Man
over a year ago
Evesham, Worcester, Pershore |
I think there are a few more. But also that there's more publicity round it all now. Pushing for women in pretty much every lead role and the spotlight on those movies and shows that do have strong female leads.
Just off the top of my head... Can u imagine the publicity a show like Veronica Mars would get now, aimed at the teen audience. Would never be off the air. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Who are some strong female role models that you discuss with your kids?
Apologies I couldn’t answer your OP in that I don’t have children myself.
We went to see Captain Marvel the other week, in that there's a sequence which denotes her getting up every time that she gets knocked down. I found that particularly striking and it set me thinking about the role models that I show to my kids, in fiction and real life.
I realised that I show them characters and people like that of all genders (not just female ones) "
You’re a good papa bear. I like that particular lesson too, resilience and grit is a hard lesson to learn and so very important.
I went to a fascinating workshop this week about the experiences of intersex people. Listening to them discuss and answer queries, and hearing some of the legal constraints, forced medical normalisation and rights issues was mindblowing. I digress...
But yes, I think helping people/children widen perspectives and experiences through exposure is incredibly important. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who are some strong female role models that you discuss with your kids?
Apologies I couldn’t answer your OP in that I don’t have children myself.
We went to see Captain Marvel the other week, in that there's a sequence which denotes her getting up every time that she gets knocked down. I found that particularly striking and it set me thinking about the role models that I show to my kids, in fiction and real life.
I realised that I show them characters and people like that of all genders (not just female ones) "
Ha! We must of been sharing a brain wave there |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months."
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing. |
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Strong women are not popular. It takes a strong parent to encourage strong daughters and support strong women in the public eye.
Also it would be very helpful if someone could give me an alternative word for strong   |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been thinking about this recently. I think that it's just as important for children to grow up recognising strong characters of all genders as well as having their parental figures, in order to become accepting adults.
I try to make sure that my children are shown as many examples of positive gender role models as possible to this end.
In recent years there have been more and more strong female leads. Do you agree with this? Is this something that you look for? Do you feel that more can be done? "
I dunno latley there seem ro be a lot of token women who fit the "Mary sue" category of just being "perfect" unflawed and unbelievable in their univese and almost 2d in thier character
While in the past strong female leads faced the same challenges as male leads.
Bur i wpuldnt be using the tv and movies to raise your kids dude |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"Who are some strong female role models that you discuss with your kids?
Apologies I couldn’t answer your OP in that I don’t have children myself.
We went to see Captain Marvel the other week, in that there's a sequence which denotes her getting up every time that she gets knocked down. I found that particularly striking and it set me thinking about the role models that I show to my kids, in fiction and real life.
I realised that I show them characters and people like that of all genders (not just female ones)
I was wondering if you were thinking about Captain Marvel! Yes, it was a bloody beautiful scene and that resilience was wonderful. I did leave the cinema feeling particularly... empowered? I'm not sure. More depictions of women lifting each other up and supporting each other would be great."
I agree. The message of 'I don't need a man to save me' was also very strong in that too. |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing. "
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work. |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing.
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work."
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"I've been thinking about this recently. I think that it's just as important for children to grow up recognising strong characters of all genders as well as having their parental figures, in order to become accepting adults.
I try to make sure that my children are shown as many examples of positive gender role models as possible to this end.
In recent years there have been more and more strong female leads. Do you agree with this? Is this something that you look for? Do you feel that more can be done?
I dunno latley there seem ro be a lot of token women who fit the "Mary sue" category of just being "perfect" unflawed and unbelievable in their univese and almost 2d in thier character
While in the past strong female leads faced the same challenges as male leads.
Bur i wpuldnt be using the tv and movies to raise your kids dude"
Lessons in point.
I believe that its important to have the message across all forms of influence, personal, factual and fictional. |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing.
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work."
I think you'll find that isn't true.
In my family clone there are nurses, chefs, doctors, shop workers, office workers among the younger generation all "wanting" to do a "proper" days work. |
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"I've been thinking about this recently. I think that it's just as important for children to grow up recognising strong characters of all genders as well as having their parental figures, in order to become accepting adults.
I try to make sure that my children are shown as many examples of positive gender role models as possible to this end.
In recent years there have been more and more strong female leads. Do you agree with this? Is this something that you look for? Do you feel that more can be done?
I dunno latley there seem ro be a lot of token women who fit the "Mary sue" category of just being "perfect" unflawed and unbelievable in their univese and almost 2d in thier character
While in the past strong female leads faced the same challenges as male leads.
Bur i wpuldnt be using the tv and movies to raise your kids dude
Lessons in point.
I believe that its important to have the message across all forms of influence, personal, factual and fictional. "
I agree.
Years ago I had a discussion with a friend who said it didn't matter that all the engines in Thomas the Tank Engine were male and all the carriages female. I argued that it makes it normal and accepted for men to be leaders. For the same reason I dislike books like Bridget Jones's Diary . |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing.
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work."
I think I sportsmen and woman can be role models. There are some truly inspirational stories out there of people having true grit and determination to succeed under difficult circumstances. |
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The upcoming Black Widow film will be interesting. A conflicted character. I thought the female general in Black Panther particularly strong. Honour, duty. Sacrifice. |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing.
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work."
Do you have kids? Children will have role models irrespective of how strong their parents are, people who embody specific traits or ideals that they strive for. I know that I did and so did all of my friends as do my children. One of who has grown up into a strong inependant and wonderful woman of whom I'm very proud (the others are still growing) |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing.
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work.
I think you'll find that isn't true.
In my family clone there are nurses, chefs, doctors, shop workers, office workers among the younger generation all "wanting" to do a "proper" days work."
I think you'll find it is, look at the NHS and the amount of job vacancies it cant fill in. My partner works in a hospital and left on wards herself due to lack of staff. Construction industry that I work in is the same, the majority dont want to do this work and employers struggling to get apprentices. Also I never at any poinr did I say all young people. I know theres plenty out there who do a hard days work. That good your family was clearly good role models within the home and instilled a working attitude in them |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing.
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work.
Do you have kids? Children will have role models irrespective of how strong their parents are, people who embody specific traits or ideals that they strive for. I know that I did and so did all of my friends as do my children. One of who has grown up into a strong inependant and wonderful woman of whom I'm very proud (the others are still growing) "
Yes I do have children, two boys and the look to me and family members for guidance and advice on life and Not someone on the tv |
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Christina aguliria was my idol growing up she got me through my school years.
Historically I would have to say every single one of the suffergate women it is down to them that ya woman can vote after all
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months."
I think your issue here is whether you think the role model is worthy of being one or not, and not whether they are in the home or people in the public eye. Important not to conflate the two. |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
I disagree, role models should be from all walks of life, not just in the home. It's good to have hero's that teach kids what they can be and who they want to be. Otherwise they just become echoes of mum and dad.
As for them growing up as entitled or idle? That's a different thing entirely. Basing lives around social media is a dangerous thing.
If parents are doing a great job then they dont need to look up to celebrities ect. Yeah I agree people like teachers, scientists and people who do good things for the world should be role models. But celebrities and sports stars shouldnt be role models and they shouldnt be burdened with that responsibility either.
Well it's not a different thing, there idle because of the people there looking up to who portray these lives where they swam about doing next to nothing all day and we have a generation who think the bank of mum and dad can fund there lives, while they try to get famous. Look at the industry's in this country, health care, construction, catering and hospitality all struggle to get young people into them now because they dont to do a proper days work.
I think you'll find that isn't true.
In my family clone there are nurses, chefs, doctors, shop workers, office workers among the younger generation all "wanting" to do a "proper" days work.
I think you'll find it is, look at the NHS and the amount of job vacancies it cant fill in. My partner works in a hospital and left on wards herself due to lack of staff. Construction industry that I work in is the same, the majority dont want to do this work and employers struggling to get apprentices. Also I never at any poinr did I say all young people. I know theres plenty out there who do a hard days work. That good your family was clearly good role models within the home and instilled a working attitude in them"
You said "we have a generation" that's everyone in an entire generation. |
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If the decision about role models is utilising fiction then I would have to promote Lagertha from the TV series Vikings (surprise surprise eh?) 
Irl? (Yes I know Lagertha was based upon a real life viking warrior of same name) Sylvia Plath. Tackling issues in her writings that where not spoken about at the time instills the message that courage of ones convictions is an amazing thing to have. Also Aung San Suu Kyi and Margaret Cavendish.
Just my two cents, back under my rock I go lol |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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Yes I do have children, two boys and the look to me and family members for guidance and advice on life and Not someone on the tv"
OK, I'm not going to presume to tell you how to bring up your children. I just believe that children do and will look outside of the family dynamic for role models, it's natural and healthy to do so.
I think that my points are being somewhat misunderstood and misrepresented though. I don't hold up fictional characters as ideals to live by (I'd rather they didn't go jumping into gamma reactors), but as strong cross gender roles become more normalised, I will point those out as part of wider life lessons. |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months."
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Dr. Hannah Fry (BBC/Mathematics), Dr. Alice Roberts (BBC/Anthropology), Bethany Hamilton (professional surfer), Jessica Ennis Hill (Athletics), Steph Houghton (Football), Ellie Simmonds (Swimming), Hannah Cockroft (Athletics), JK Rowling (author), Moira Stewart (BBC/Journalism), Liz Bonnin (BBC/Biology), Adele (Singer/Songwriter), Dame Judi Dench, Dame Helen Mirran, Dame Maggie Smith, Helena Bonham Carter, Sarah Milligan (Comedy), Miranda Hart (Comedy), Catherine Tate (Comedy), Sue Perkins (Presenting), Theresa May, Nicola Sturgeon, Liz Saville Roberts, Caroline Lucas, Jo Cox MP.
Tried to keep it contemporary and British. I'm sure I've forgotten tons of names. I don't like all the women I've listed. Some jar politically or get on my tits in some ways. Some I fancy the fuck out of, some for reasons you'd not expect.
All leaders in their fields and great role models on those grounds alone. I think it's one thing our country should rightfully be proud of. Our strong, women.
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'd like to think my sister's, other female family/friends etc and I were role models not vacuous celebrities. "
I think it depends on what you class as celebrities. If it's the loose term referring to the people on social media or reality programmes then yes. If it's people who have strived, fought and succeeded in their chosen fields then they're anything but vacuous. |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"Dr. Hannah Fry (BBC/Mathematics), Dr. Alice Roberts (BBC/Anthropology), Bethany Hamilton (professional surfer), Jessica Ennis Hill (Athletics), Steph Houghton (Football), Ellie Simmonds (Swimming), Hannah Cockroft (Athletics), JK Rowling (author), Moira Stewart (BBC/Journalism), Liz Bonnin (BBC/Biology), Adele (Singer/Songwriter), Dame Judi Dench, Dame Helen Mirran, Dame Maggie Smith, Helena Bonham Carter, Sarah Milligan (Comedy), Miranda Hart (Comedy), Catherine Tate (Comedy), Sue Perkins (Presenting), Theresa May, Nicola Sturgeon, Liz Saville Roberts, Caroline Lucas, Jo Cox MP.
Tried to keep it contemporary and British. I'm sure I've forgotten tons of names. I don't like all the women I've listed. Some jar politically or get on my tits in some ways. Some I fancy the fuck out of, some for reasons you'd not expect.
All leaders in their fields and great role models on those grounds alone. I think it's one thing our country should rightfully be proud of. Our strong, women.
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By *Jones19Man
over a year ago
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This has been an interesting read.
What about those who's family doesn't provide good role models, or have certain parts missing (like a single parent family for example) with no alternative but to look elsewhere. Those who's communities aren't the best to look at.
Surely looking at those who have had "success" in this world can help anyone.
I live in a family that was female dominated in terms of how much time i spent with them. I still looked upto both my Dad and Grandad. But I also learnt from the male "celebs and stars" I saw on tv or on the sports fields. |
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over a year ago
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"Having a role model based on their sex is about as pointless as basing it on their eye colour. Men and women can be role models for either sex."
Very true. |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
"Having a role model based on their sex is about as pointless as basing it on their eye colour. Men and women can be role models for either sex."
Which was kind of my OP, I'd say that it's important to have a mix of them. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Some "get on my tits". Isn't this a sexist phrase ?
Is it? Just thought it was a phrase, as in they annoy me. "
We also have “get on my wick” - the 'wick' in question is a now rather archaic shortening of Hampton Wick, Cockney rhyming slang for prick. Hampton Wick being a London suburb.
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"Some "get on my tits". Isn't this a sexist phrase ?
Is it? Just thought it was a phrase, as in they annoy me.
We also have “get on my wick” - the 'wick' in question is a now rather archaic shortening of Hampton Wick, Cockney rhyming slang for prick. Hampton Wick being a London suburb.
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Does this mean Danny Dyer is a Hampton? |
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over a year ago
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I would agree there does seem to be a better potrayal particulary in film of strong female role models and rightly so.
I tend to think of athletes and sports women as good examples especially as they tend to cite hard work, practise and perseverance as reasons as to why they are good at what they do.
In today's quick, disposable society its hard, particularly for young people to understand the longer term effort required. |
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over a year ago
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"I think it's clear from my list, that I like to mix.
I'd be interested who Fab thinks are positive male role models. fact or fiction.
Get your own thread! 
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"I've been thinking about this recently. I think that it's just as important for children to grow up recognising strong characters of all genders as well as having their parental figures, in order to become accepting adults.
I try to make sure that my children are shown as many examples of positive gender role models as possible to this end.
In recent years there have been more and more strong female leads. Do you agree with this? Is this something that you look for? Do you feel that more can be done?
I dunno latley there seem ro be a lot of token women who fit the "Mary sue" category of just being "perfect" unflawed and unbelievable in their univese and almost 2d in thier character
While in the past strong female leads faced the same challenges as male leads.
Bur i wpuldnt be using the tv and movies to raise your kids dude
Lessons in point.
I believe that its important to have the message across all forms of influence, personal, factual and fictional. "
Alien 1 and 2 then. Ripley was nails |
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What more can be done? People look up to the people they like. If that's Katie Price, YouTube types, or Kim K, what can we do about it?
There may be lots of strong female role models but if their teen mates are all using Snapchat filters and posing with fish faces, will those young women really bother looking up to the decent role models? |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"I've been thinking about this recently. I think that it's just as important for children to grow up recognising strong characters of all genders as well as having their parental figures, in order to become accepting adults.
I try to make sure that my children are shown as many examples of positive gender role models as possible to this end.
In recent years there have been more and more strong female leads. Do you agree with this? Is this something that you look for? Do you feel that more can be done?
I dunno latley there seem ro be a lot of token women who fit the "Mary sue" category of just being "perfect" unflawed and unbelievable in their univese and almost 2d in thier character
While in the past strong female leads faced the same challenges as male leads.
Bur i wpuldnt be using the tv and movies to raise your kids dude
Lessons in point.
I believe that its important to have the message across all forms of influence, personal, factual and fictional.
Alien 1 and 2 then. Ripley was nails"
Maybe ill save that for when they're older... |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"What more can be done? People look up to the people they like. If that's Katie Price, YouTube types, or Kim K, what can we do about it?
There may be lots of strong female role models but if their teen mates are all using Snapchat filters and posing with fish faces, will those young women really bother looking up to the decent role models?"
Personally I think that's down to the values and beliefs that I've taught my children. If they were so interested in form over substance that would be my concern.
I know that many hold these people up to be idols for how they look or live, I would hope that I've taught my children that it's who you are and what you can achieve that's important. |
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I like a strong woman who just gets on with it, and doesn't have to shout to the world how she's doing it all alone, without the help of a man.
There's loads of the latter on Facebook. |
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"What more can be done? People look up to the people they like. If that's Katie Price, YouTube types, or Kim K, what can we do about it?
There may be lots of strong female role models but if their teen mates are all using Snapchat filters and posing with fish faces, will those young women really bother looking up to the decent role models?
Personally I think that's down to the values and beliefs that I've taught my children. If they were so interested in form over substance that would be my concern.
I know that many hold these people up to be idols for how they look or live, I would hope that I've taught my children that it's who you are and what you can achieve that's important. "
If you've taught them all that then suddenly they reach their teens and get very questionable- perhaps even 'dangerous' role models, how would you try and turn that around? Telling them it's bad at that age usually just makes them want to do that more. |
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"I like a strong woman who just gets on with it, and doesn't have to shout to the world how she's doing it all alone, without the help of a man.
There's loads of the latter on Facebook. "
Loads of the shouty types on Facebook? Maybe they want kudos/ approval for getting themselves out of a crappy relationship? |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"What more can be done? People look up to the people they like. If that's Katie Price, YouTube types, or Kim K, what can we do about it?
There may be lots of strong female role models but if their teen mates are all using Snapchat filters and posing with fish faces, will those young women really bother looking up to the decent role models?
Personally I think that's down to the values and beliefs that I've taught my children. If they were so interested in form over substance that would be my concern.
I know that many hold these people up to be idols for how they look or live, I would hope that I've taught my children that it's who you are and what you can achieve that's important.
If you've taught them all that then suddenly they reach their teens and get very questionable- perhaps even 'dangerous' role models, how would you try and turn that around? Telling them it's bad at that age usually just makes them want to do that more. "
That is all very theoretical and generalised. Neither my daughter nor my eldest son have done that. What do you consider to be dangerous?
Children rebel as part of their development and finding their own identity. |
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"What more can be done? People look up to the people they like. If that's Katie Price, YouTube types, or Kim K, what can we do about it?
There may be lots of strong female role models but if their teen mates are all using Snapchat filters and posing with fish faces, will those young women really bother looking up to the decent role models?
Personally I think that's down to the values and beliefs that I've taught my children. If they were so interested in form over substance that would be my concern.
I know that many hold these people up to be idols for how they look or live, I would hope that I've taught my children that it's who you are and what you can achieve that's important.
If you've taught them all that then suddenly they reach their teens and get very questionable- perhaps even 'dangerous' role models, how would you try and turn that around? Telling them it's bad at that age usually just makes them want to do that more.
That is all very theoretical and generalised. Neither my daughter nor my eldest son have done that. What do you consider to be dangerous?
Children rebel as part of their development and finding their own identity."
Apologies, I wasn't inferring you are a bad parent. It was a general thought about kids going bad.
Probably nothing can be done. |
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Where fictional characters are concerned, imo Harry Potter and Buffy were full of amazingingly strong female characters.
I follow a lot of female celebrities on Instagram that I think are very inspiring too. Selma Blair, who talks about her MS a lot which inspires others, Katie Piper who has taken the trauma of her acid attack and turned it into a positive, Stacey Dooley who goes into all sorts of dangerous situations to expose them & Charisma Carpenter (Cordilia in Buffy) who was attacked when she was younger and now really speaks out about how that damaged her mental health and how she got better are the women who immediately spring to my mind. |
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I’ve always had strong women in my life, starting with my grandmother then my sisters, the coping skills my mother had gave her unbelievable strength to get us through difficult times when we was small, at school I had 2 strong women that kept me in line and made me open my mind to travel, living in different countries and a love of science. I don’t know who my children think is their strong women models are but I’m absolutly sure they have some, and I’d like to think I’m one of them too remember many strong individual independent interesting women walking among us all and always have been |
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"Where fictional characters are concerned, imo Harry Potter and Buffy were full of amazingingly strong female characters.
I follow a lot of female celebrities on Instagram that I think are very inspiring too. Selma Blair, who talks about her MS a lot which inspires others, Katie Piper who has taken the trauma of her acid attack and turned it into a positive, Stacey Dooley who goes into all sorts of dangerous situations to expose them & Charisma Carpenter (Cordilia in Buffy) who was attacked when she was younger and now really speaks out about how that damaged her mental health and how she got better are the women who immediately spring to my mind. "
Stacey Dooley was one I knew I'd left out, but name I couldn't remember. |
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"Where fictional characters are concerned, imo Harry Potter and Buffy were full of amazingingly strong female characters.
I follow a lot of female celebrities on Instagram that I think are very inspiring too. Selma Blair, who talks about her MS a lot which inspires others, Katie Piper who has taken the trauma of her acid attack and turned it into a positive, Stacey Dooley who goes into all sorts of dangerous situations to expose them & Charisma Carpenter (Cordilia in Buffy) who was attacked when she was younger and now really speaks out about how that damaged her mental health and how she got better are the women who immediately spring to my mind.
Stacey Dooley was one I knew I'd left out, but name I couldn't remember."
I think she's marvellous and so down to earth. I'm reading her book atm |
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"Where fictional characters are concerned, imo Harry Potter and Buffy were full of amazingingly strong female characters.
I follow a lot of female celebrities on Instagram that I think are very inspiring too. Selma Blair, who talks about her MS a lot which inspires others, Katie Piper who has taken the trauma of her acid attack and turned it into a positive, Stacey Dooley who goes into all sorts of dangerous situations to expose them & Charisma Carpenter (Cordilia in Buffy) who was attacked when she was younger and now really speaks out about how that damaged her mental health and how she got better are the women who immediately spring to my mind.
Stacey Dooley was one I knew I'd left out, but name I couldn't remember.
I think she's marvellous and so down to earth. I'm reading her book atm "
If I could start again. I think investigative journalism would be a good choice. |
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Unfortunately these days due to the amount of publicity they get most young girls tend aspire to breing like their favourite love island character fake boobs,orange skin,fake hair.......
I'm not saying that having someone who is a strong character as a role model isn't a bad thing, but surely someone who has some substance to their personality , standing up against injustice or a leader in industry, stands up for their beliefs is better than someone who has great boob's and say's "iz it" .
It sends the wrong signal to young women.
Malala yousafzai is someone who parents should actively encourage their children not just girls to learn about. |
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"Where fictional characters are concerned, imo Harry Potter and Buffy were full of amazingingly strong female characters.
I follow a lot of female celebrities on Instagram that I think are very inspiring too. Selma Blair, who talks about her MS a lot which inspires others, Katie Piper who has taken the trauma of her acid attack and turned it into a positive, Stacey Dooley who goes into all sorts of dangerous situations to expose them & Charisma Carpenter (Cordilia in Buffy) who was attacked when she was younger and now really speaks out about how that damaged her mental health and how she got better are the women who immediately spring to my mind.
Stacey Dooley was one I knew I'd left out, but name I couldn't remember.
I think she's marvellous and so down to earth. I'm reading her book atm
If I could start again. I think investigative journalism would be a good choice. "
Why not give it a go? |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"What more can be done? People look up to the people they like. If that's Katie Price, YouTube types, or Kim K, what can we do about it?
There may be lots of strong female role models but if their teen mates are all using Snapchat filters and posing with fish faces, will those young women really bother looking up to the decent role models?
Personally I think that's down to the values and beliefs that I've taught my children. If they were so interested in form over substance that would be my concern.
I know that many hold these people up to be idols for how they look or live, I would hope that I've taught my children that it's who you are and what you can achieve that's important.
If you've taught them all that then suddenly they reach their teens and get very questionable- perhaps even 'dangerous' role models, how would you try and turn that around? Telling them it's bad at that age usually just makes them want to do that more.
That is all very theoretical and generalised. Neither my daughter nor my eldest son have done that. What do you consider to be dangerous?
Children rebel as part of their development and finding their own identity.
Apologies, I wasn't inferring you are a bad parent. It was a general thought about kids going bad.
Probably nothing can be done. "
No offence taken in any way shape or form!
I recognise that I'm always learning with my children and I'm always listening to other parents and my kids about things. I wasn't being (or meaning to be) defensive, it was a genuine question. |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately these days due to the amount of publicity they get most young girls tend aspire to breing like their favourite love island character fake boobs,orange skin,fake hair.......
I'm not saying that having someone who is a strong character as a role model isn't a bad thing, but surely someone who has some substance to their personality , standing up against injustice or a leader in industry, stands up for their beliefs is better than someone who has great boob's and say's "iz it" .
It sends the wrong signal to young women.
Malala yousafzai is someone who parents should actively encourage their children not just girls to learn about."
I think that's a very generalised comment based around social media. Part of me wonders if parents need social media 'education'. I think that my generation of parents struggle the most with social media and information lag.
I just wonder if understanding what our children are following, viewing or liking would be helpful in the long run. Not in an intrusive or spying way I hasten to add. Simply in an understanding and connective stance |
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"What more can be done? People look up to the people they like. If that's Katie Price, YouTube types, or Kim K, what can we do about it?
There may be lots of strong female role models but if their teen mates are all using Snapchat filters and posing with fish faces, will those young women really bother looking up to the decent role models?
Personally I think that's down to the values and beliefs that I've taught my children. If they were so interested in form over substance that would be my concern.
I know that many hold these people up to be idols for how they look or live, I would hope that I've taught my children that it's who you are and what you can achieve that's important.
If you've taught them all that then suddenly they reach their teens and get very questionable- perhaps even 'dangerous' role models, how would you try and turn that around? Telling them it's bad at that age usually just makes them want to do that more.
That is all very theoretical and generalised. Neither my daughter nor my eldest son have done that. What do you consider to be dangerous?
Children rebel as part of their development and finding their own identity.
Apologies, I wasn't inferring you are a bad parent. It was a general thought about kids going bad.
Probably nothing can be done.
No offence taken in any way shape or form!
I recognise that I'm always learning with my children and I'm always listening to other parents and my kids about things. I wasn't being (or meaning to be) defensive, it was a genuine question. "
Dangerous as in their behaviours and beliefs. Lack of respect for people. In an abusive way but not seeing it as such. |
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"Unfortunately these days due to the amount of publicity they get most young girls tend aspire to breing like their favourite love island character fake boobs,orange skin,fake hair.......
I'm not saying that having someone who is a strong character as a role model isn't a bad thing, but surely someone who has some substance to their personality , standing up against injustice or a leader in industry, stands up for their beliefs is better than someone who has great boob's and say's "iz it" .
It sends the wrong signal to young women.
Malala yousafzai is someone who parents should actively encourage their children not just girls to learn about.
I think that's a very generalised comment based around social media. Part of me wonders if parents need social media 'education'. I think that my generation of parents struggle the most with social media and information lag.
I just wonder if understanding what our children are following, viewing or liking would be helpful in the long run. Not in an intrusive or spying way I hasten to add. Simply in an understanding and connective stance"
How else would a parent know what their child is watching, without spying? They'd only admit to watching PG stuff. |
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"I like a strong woman who just gets on with it, and doesn't have to shout to the world how she's doing it all alone, without the help of a man.
There's loads of the latter on Facebook.
Loads of the shouty types on Facebook? Maybe they want kudos/ approval for getting themselves out of a crappy relationship?"
Yes, but they forget we know about their crappy behaviour in those relationships too. |
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I never felt the need to foist gender models or any other form of appropriate or approved persons on my son.
Hopefully I helped him to learn to discern for himself what sort of person he was going to be, and who those others were who would make a positive impact on his life.
I'm rather proud of him and the man he has become.... |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months."
Funnily enough I had a 22 year girl in the car with me this week and her comment was ‘ all my mates think they are going to be YouTube stars and that it’s a proper job!!’ |
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
Funnily enough I had a 22 year girl in the car with me this week and her comment was ‘ all my mates think they are going to be YouTube stars and that it’s a proper job!!’ "
There is good money in it but you need to be a good editor and have skill at presenting |
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By *irthandgirthMan
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Years ago during London 2012 my daughter became quite infatuated with Jessica Ennis, to the point she took up sports for the first time. That didn't survive her transition through her teens, but reflecting on it from the OP, I can't think of many better public figures for a strong female role model. Hard working, driven, intelligent, skilful, eloquent, gracious, resilient, bouncing back after pregnancy...
She wasn't hit with the ugly stick either.. |
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Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani girl shot in the head by Taliban thugs,for advocating education for girls,now internationally advocating education for girls. a true role model |
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By *ea monkey OP Man
over a year ago
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"Role models should be in the home and not celebrities or people in the public eye. So many younger ones have unreal expectations about life due to looking up to so called Instagram celebrities or reality TV celebrities and they think you can make a living being a lay about.my old work struggled to get an apprentice for 10 months because kids dont want to work on building sites and do a hard days graft.My mates having issues with his kid wanting to be a YouTube gaming streamer and thinks he is going to Make a living from it, instead of getting a job or college when he leaves school in a few months.
Funnily enough I had a 22 year girl in the car with me this week and her comment was ‘ all my mates think they are going to be YouTube stars and that it’s a proper job!!’ "
Funnily enough I had a similar conversation with my daughter years ago about Instagram! |
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I brought both my children up without a tv so any famous role models weren't an option thankfully (My son didn't even have internet at home until he was 15 (now 26) and was home schooled) But personally I have always preferred real life people as role models and they have been lucky enough to be inundated with real people who are truly amazing!!! All both genders and have met all sorts of others ... we are lucky enough to be able to pretty much discuss anything as a family too. |
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"I brought both my children up without a tv so any famous role models weren't an option thankfully (My son didn't even have internet at home until he was 15 (now 26) and was home schooled) But personally I have always preferred real life people as role models and they have been lucky enough to be inundated with real people who are truly amazing!!! All both genders and have met all sorts of others ... we are lucky enough to be able to pretty much discuss anything as a family too. "
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