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" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT!and breath! lol " | |||
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" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " BRILLIANT!!! My thoughts exactly and so very well put!!! I bow down lol xxxxx | |||
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"Thread of the year so far....... Could not agree more!" +1 | |||
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"Well.....jolly good for you, and do you know what? We don't give a fuck! Anytime somebody wastes our time on this site we reserve the right to call them a timewaster. If that pisses you off, then I guess it's about time you learnt that "shit happens"! We actually think a rant like that, wether in jest or serious is absolutely disgusting" You are right...Shit does happen.. By why do people need to go on an on about it in their profiles and start forum threads about it!!! The OP is bang on about people complaining!! BEST thread I have read about "Timewasters"... | |||
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"Have you got tourettes...??? Goes and takes cover.... " PMT.............Runs and hides | |||
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"i get so many guys who all they say is hi ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when i ask a few questians , just for my protection and theres ,and dont want them to ram there cock into me within the first few words ,i usaly get ,fucking time waster ,too which i am not" what questions do you like to ask before they ram their cock in you. Mine is usually, Hi do I know you | |||
"i get so many guys who all they say is hi ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when i ask a few questians , just for my protection and theres ,and dont want them to ram there cock into me within the first few words ,i usaly get ,fucking time waster ,too which i am not what questions do you like to ask before they ram their cock in you. Mine is usually, Hi do I know you " No words reqd here, don't ring the bell, the door is open... | |||
"Have you got tourettes...??? Goes and takes cover.... " | |||
"Thread of the year so far....... Could not agree more! +1 " +2 | |||
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" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " Not enough swearing in there add somemore please | |||
"bobby and john said it.... _iew " Veiw asked me to post it cos he was frightened. | |||
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"Just think about all the time spent wasted on discussing Time-wasters. Ironic isn't it. " Your not allowed to mention names........Oh thats an R not a C my mistake | |||
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"Just think about all the time spent wasted on discussing Time-wasters. Ironic isn't it. Your not allowed to mention names........Oh thats an R not a C my mistake " Hey you bugger, don't think I haven't seen this | |||
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"Just think about all the time spent wasted on discussing Time-wasters. Ironic isn't it. Your not allowed to mention names........Oh thats an R not a C my mistake Hey you bugger, don't think I haven't seen this " I misread it I really did. | |||
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"...I shall re-post this here then :- You would hope that when driving to meet someone for 1.5 hours that they would have the courtesy to actually be in, turn up or have given you the correct address. Or have the decency to let you know that they got cold feet and need to cancel. However...... Unfortunately there are some on this site put here with the sole intention of pissing everyone else off. Some genuinely get off on arranging to meet and then watching the poor sods turn up at the house down the street or sit watching from across the road as you pile into some random public house. Some just like the idea of arranging a meet, having a hand shandy thinking about it and then forgetting all about it will the next time they feel an itch and need some relief. Hell, there may even some on this site who may argue that 'nobody owes you anything on this site' - be that a reply to your email or (extrapolating it to the other end of the spectrum) to open their legs for you even though they may have agreed to do so 3 hours earlier. The sad reality is that people get dicked about, pissed off, misdirected, mislead and lied to. So, essentially a microcosm of life in general then? It sucks; it really does, and you wonder when you read some of the threads on here how on earth anyone ever gets to play with anyone else at times. Fundamentally, at its core, the swinging scene is a stunningly imperfect (and possibly broken) a thing as you can get. Everyone (and no-one) makes up the rules; there is no BS Standard for swinging and there aren't really CE marks for people or profiles. When your swimming in the pool of peoples sexual morales and egos there are as many sharks as lifeboats. All any of us can do is play the hand we are dealt by the rules we make and marvel in the fact that, when it all works the way we know it should, its absolutely bloody marvellous. " +1 | |||
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" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " And here is todays best example of "how to get yourself noticed" | |||
" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " Something vexes thee???? LoL great well put rant x | |||
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"Well.....jolly good for you, and do you know what? We don't give a fuck! Anytime somebody wastes our time on this site we reserve the right to call them a timewaster. If that pisses you off, then I guess it's about time you learnt that "shit happens"! We actually think a rant like that, wether in jest or serious is absolutely disgusting" Well if people didn't complain there would not be the backlash although I thought the op was very tongue in cheek .. I do anyone a deal where I would swap the whinges moans and complaints for this .... My first thought when I saw what was written was Amen sister and I know I am going to hell cause in some people's eyes that will make me a bad man.. But it was funny | |||
" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " Are you having a bad tourettes day Polo? | |||
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"Whew! Somebody needs to mellow out a bit!" that is calm! | |||
" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " totally effin agree | |||
" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " I would like to nominate this for "thursday" post of the year... Lol 50 more of the feckers to go but this is truly a work of art!!!! LOL | |||
"i get so many guys who all they say is hi ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when i ask a few questians , just for my protection and theres ,and dont want them to ram there cock into me within the first few words ,i usaly get ,fucking time waster ,too which i am not what questions do you like to ask before they ram their cock in you. Mine is usually, Hi do I know you " Thought it was "Right i have found a pulse lets get on with it...did you not know i do not have time to waste" LOL | |||
"get it UP ya !!! a cock needs a pussy... what's your problem " how very hetronormative of you Best rant ever *said in comic book store guy voice* | |||
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"get it UP ya !!! a cock needs a pussy... what's your problem how very hetronormative of you Best rant ever *said in comic book store guy voice* " I had to lie down after it... testerone rush. | |||
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"get it UP ya !!! a cock needs a pussy... what's your problem how very hetronormative of you Best rant ever *said in comic book store guy voice* I had to lie down after it... testerone rush." i hope you are fanning yourself with a silk handkerchief as you recover | |||
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"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. " You up early xx | |||
"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx " Spent the day with my mum today. | |||
"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. " No school ? Xx | |||
"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. No school ? Xx " No school ..... I shag the truant officer though. | |||
"i get so many guys who all they say is hi ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when i ask a few questians , just for my protection and theres ,and dont want them to ram there cock into me within the first few words ,i usaly get ,fucking time waster ,too which i am not what questions do you like to ask before they ram their cock in you. Mine is usually, Hi do I know you " when did you get so picky | |||
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"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. No school ? Xx No school ..... I shag the truant officer though. :- D" Is he bi? Xx | |||
"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. No school ? Xx No school ..... I shag the truant officer though. :- D Is he bi? Xx " We can live in hope! xx | |||
"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. No school ? Xx No school ..... I shag the truant officer though. :- D Is he bi? Xx We can live in hope! xx " Is that near Glasgow ? Xx | |||
"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. No school ? Xx No school ..... I shag the truant officer though. :- D Is he bi? Xx We can live in hope! xx Is that near Glasgow ? Xx " Down in the Doldrums. | |||
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"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. No school ? Xx No school ..... I shag the truant officer though. :- D Is he bi? Xx We can live in hope! xx Is that near Glasgow ? Xx " Its in Salford Nr manchester | |||
"Well.....jolly good for you, and do you know what? We don't give a fuck! Anytime somebody wastes our time on this site we reserve the right to call them a timewaster. If that pisses you off, then I guess it's about time you learnt that "shit happens"! We actually think a rant like that, wether in jest or serious is absolutely disgusting" I don't think you've understood the point of the rather excellent rant. It's not an attempt to ban the term time waster, but to stop people misusing it when what they really mean is "you won't meet me, wahh!" | |||
"And I always thought you were sweet and innocent like me xx " She is... | |||
"i get so many guys who all they say is hi ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when i ask a few questians , just for my protection and theres ,and dont want them to ram there cock into me within the first few words ,i usaly get ,fucking time waster ,too which i am not what questions do you like to ask before they ram their cock in you. Mine is usually, Hi do I know you when did you get so picky " as of today. changed my age preference to 98-99 | |||
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"i get so many guys who all they say is hi ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when i ask a few questians , just for my protection and theres ,and dont want them to ram there cock into me within the first few words ,i usaly get ,fucking time waster ,too which i am not what questions do you like to ask before they ram their cock in you. Mine is usually, Hi do I know you when did you get so picky as of today. changed my age preference to 98-99 " thats years away...if i pack my granny nitie can u close your eyes and pretend? | |||
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" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " absofuckinglutely correct, good post, no brilliant post xxx | |||
"Dear Customer Thank you for placing your free order for a random 2012 prediction. The Random 2012 Prediction Generator has generated the following prediction: Drink decaffeinated coffee........ xxx" or chai tea | |||
"I'd put Polo's rant on my profile if I thought it would make a difference. You up early xx Spent the day with my mum today. " how is maw today? still getting on at you ?lol | |||
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" It got to me today… the misuse of the word ‘timewaster’. I know it’s nothing new, but I’m just fucking sick to fucking death of people misusing it on their fucking profiles. The following phrases have been slightly altered to protect the dickheads who typed them! Women from timewastersRus.com work out what you want. Too much talking and not enough action from the timewasters. Timewasters who just want to flirt go join a site for dating. Don’t waste my time with message ping pong – I don’t meet timewasters. The timewasters who don’t reply to messages not even with a no thanks. You either want it or you don’t stop being a timewaster. People who can just about manage 4 fucking words about themselves on their profile and yet can type 4 fucking paragraphs about timewasters and still not get the fucking meaning of the fucking word right! A timewaster is someone who sets up a meet and then doesn’t fucking show up, without telling you they are not coming. Yes they are bastards! It’s not someone who wants to chat first. It’s not someone who doesn’t reply to your shit message. It’s not someone who has preferences which you don’t fucking match. It’s not someone who has the good fucking sense to avoid you like the fucking plague. If you want to get an instant shag, fine. Good on ya… it can be fucking fun. Just stop fucking telling other fucking people they are timewasters just because they have a different idea of how they want to fucking go about deciding who they fuck! Three people this morning I might have been interested in meeting if their profile wasn’t padded out with whinging about other people who didn’t want to meet them… and called them all timewasters. Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT! " cmon polo,get off the fence,say what you think. ps they deliver,if you keep forgetting to pick up your prescription. sorry must rush,that's the last call,for the outer mongolian express. | |||
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"This reminded me of Kittys C**t thread..... I haven't stopped laughing Well done Polo and fucking well said " Anyone heard from Kitty lately? I wonder how she is. | |||
"I have started to block those who have "no timewaster" or similar in their profiles. " Great minds lol | |||
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"only a wee point to make... everyones take on a timewaster is diffrent? just cause the OP dosent like it dosent make it gospel i mean,,,maybe peeps dont like the word,, fuck,, but ,,obviously the OP does lol everyones diffrent on here,,,thats the point please dont hate me lol lol auds haaaaa wud never hte ya xxxx auds xx " | |||
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"i have decided that whenever i see a timewaster thread on the site... I am going to link back to this thread... my god it will save me sooooo much typing.... can you just do other threads as templates polo on other subjects.... "married people playing away without consent" "why it isn't rude not to reply to messages" "please help me with my profile" "cliques" "why don't people like asian/black/bi/single guys round here?" I'll bring round the shopping list later..... " I would say your going to be busy then, as about 60% of the threads on here are designed to waste time. As for the original post, its far too full of invective and personally subjective in my opinion to serve as a go-to response to all threads on time-wasting. | |||
"i have decided that whenever i see a timewaster thread on the site... I am going to link back to this thread... my god it will save me sooooo much typing.... can you just do other threads as templates polo on other subjects.... "married people playing away without consent" "why it isn't rude not to reply to messages" "please help me with my profile" "cliques" "why don't people like asian/black/bi/single guys round here?" I'll bring round the shopping list later..... I would say your going to be busy then, as about 60% of the threads on here are designed to waste time. As for the original post, its far too full of invective and personally subjective in my opinion to serve as a go-to response to all threads on time-wasting. " I disagree the OP is f*cking bl@@dy, bast@rdingly, pants pissingly hilariously!!! | |||