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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started. "
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense. |
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Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous . |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense."
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar! |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!"
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered. |
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"We, apes and humans, evolved from a common ancestor, neither ape (in the way now have apes) or human?
Are you not human then?"
What??? My answer is in your reply and you didn't even read it through? |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered."
He couldn't reconcile the belief arguments he was trying to preach and so stopped. |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered."
Sorry I think you’ve misunderstood - I think he used to be on a YouTube channel (now defunct) which was called Snarky Athiests. |
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"We, apes and humans, evolved from a common ancestor, neither ape (in the way now have apes) or human?
Are you not human then?
What??? My answer is in your reply and you didn't even read it through? "
I read it! Who is the ‘we’ that are separate from humans? |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered.
Sorry I think you’ve misunderstood - I think he used to be on a YouTube channel (now defunct) which was called Snarky Athiests."
I apologise. I did misunderstand the context of your comment. |
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"We, apes and humans, evolved from a common ancestor, neither ape (in the way now have apes) or human?
Are you not human then?
What??? My answer is in your reply and you didn't even read it through?
I read it! Who is the ‘we’ that are separate from humans? "
The Royal 'we'. Both subjects of the discussion  |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered.
Sorry I think you’ve misunderstood - I think he used to be on a YouTube channel (now defunct) which was called Snarky Athiests.
I apologise. I did misunderstand the context of your comment. "
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered.
Sorry I think you’ve misunderstood - I think he used to be on a YouTube channel (now defunct) which was called Snarky Athiests.
I apologise. I did misunderstand the context of your comment.
No worries at all "
Sweet... 'Turned the other cheek" there I see instead of' an eye for an eye'. Hard to know which one is right if they both come from the same supposed author... Hehehe |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered."
Favourite you tube channel. Matt kicking believers arses all over the shop! |
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"Evolution or the big bang?
Both of them, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Big Bang happened and then billions of years later, evolution started.
Absolutely.
Look up Matt Dillahunty on YouTube OP. The question is nonsense.
Was this the guy that was on the “Snarky Atheists” channel? He looks familiar!
He's not snarky.. He was a practicing baptist for over 20years with his sights firmly on becoming a minister. That's all he did. He knows the bible inside out.
He debates callers. Most that claim to know the Bible and obviously doesn't, and asks logical questions back that can't be answered.
Sorry I think you’ve misunderstood - I think he used to be on a YouTube channel (now defunct) which was called Snarky Athiests."
Watched it tonight! The Atheisr Experience from austin Texas. |
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Your title thru me,not quite right. Darwin and his theory of evolution is science
So its Darwin and science v god and creation
Or evolution v creation
I favour big bang, primordial soup and evolution as the origin of life. I am a catholic scientist, lol |
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"Aren't they both, technically, science? "
I found the thread title a tad confusing.
Technically though, Darwin himself isn't science - he was a man - but he was a scientist and published a scientific theory.
Now if what the OP actually meant by hus question was 'Evolution vs Science' then I would suggest that perhaps he doesn't understand that Evolution IS science.
But, to be fair, I'm far too tired to fully grasp what he might or might not have meant |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous . "
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ? |
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So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?"
That's not evolution, A caterpillar and a tadpole are not different species... they are just the Pupa stage if their respective adult creatures. A bit like a foetus but more external.
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?"
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species . |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species . "
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right. |
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"They are both correct , the big bang was basically the start of every thing .Darwin's theory of evolution is the beginnings of life on earth "
And could it not be argued that the Universe has evolved from the Big Bang? |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right."
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right.
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
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It is speculation, but it is likely that there are common ancestors to many species.
If you consider that for mammals and lizards/reptiles etc, all have a combination of 2 eyes, 2 ears, 4 limbs, a tail etc. Whilst evolution has taken most families on different paths, you could trace all back to a common ancestor.
The fact there are huge holes in fossil records means there is no way to trace the lineage completely, it would not be unreasonable to speculate that way back there were far fewer species than exist today.
Wolves became wolves and dogs. Boar became boar and pigs etc.
It is unlikely that a pig will evolve to become a horse but we cannot dismiss the possibility that they evolved from the same common ancestor. |
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And to follow the monkey analogy, it is entirely possible that whatever there was before apes and humans branched out to eventually become apes and humans. |
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"And to follow the monkey analogy, it is entirely possible that whatever there was before apes and humans branched out to eventually become apes and humans."
I agree , but when it branches out to become an ape , it stayed an ape , it didn’t become a human . Just as it became a human , not an ape . |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species . "
We are an evolutionary arm of the same family. Hominoids.
Much like the waxy tree frog and the bull frog.
Or a lion and a domesticated cat. |
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"And to follow the monkey analogy, it is entirely possible that whatever there was before apes and humans branched out to eventually become apes and humans.
I agree , but when it branches out to become an ape , it stayed an ape , it didn’t become a human . Just as it became a human , not an ape ."
Because it didn't need to. It found its niche as an ape. Evolution is all about finding your niche |
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"And to follow the monkey analogy, it is entirely possible that whatever there was before apes and humans branched out to eventually become apes and humans.
I agree , but when it branches out to become an ape , it stayed an ape , it didn’t become a human . Just as it became a human , not an ape ."
For an animal to evolve it needs a niche to evolve into, a place we currently and ruthlessly occupy. Also the only reason we are the last surviving species of human is because we wiped all the others out.  |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right.
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
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I think you might need a biology textbook for Christmas 
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right.
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
I think you might need a biology textbook for Christmas
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Perhaps , but as you said earlier , a waxy tree frog and a bull frog , a lion and a domestic cat . They are branches of the same species , but are species in their own right . One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
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"One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
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That is correct, but the first humans were born to a species of Sub-Human... and at some distant point in the evolutionary ladder we descended from a species of ape who were also descendants of modern Apes.
Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
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"One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
That is correct, but the first humans were born to a species of Sub-Human... and at some distant point in the evolutionary ladder we descended from a species of ape who were also descendants of modern Apes.
Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
Cal"
It’s what biologists have looked for since Darwin put forth the origin of species, they have looked for the common ancestor |
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"Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
Cal"
That is almost true, as evidenced by a proportion of humans who are clearly a few evelutionary steps away from a potato! 
there is some evidence that some bacteria may actually travel in or on space dust / rocks so some bacteria may actually be alien life forms. Contamination before examination can't be rulled out though. |
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"One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
That is correct, but the first humans were born to a species of Sub-Human... and at some distant point in the evolutionary ladder we descended from a species of ape who were also descendants of modern Apes.
Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
Cal"
Would it be fair to assume that when we descended from a species of ape , that same ape became extinct when we evolved from it ? |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right.
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
I think you might need a biology textbook for Christmas
Perhaps , but as you said earlier , a waxy tree frog and a bull frog , a lion and a domestic cat . They are branches of the same species , but are species in their own right . One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
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They evolved from a common ancestor. How do you think they came into being as a seperwrw soecues in their own right? |
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"One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
That is correct, but the first humans were born to a species of Sub-Human... and at some distant point in the evolutionary ladder we descended from a species of ape who were also descendants of modern Apes.
Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
Cal
Would it be fair to assume that when we descended from a species of ape , that same ape became extinct when we evolved from it ? "
Are you enjoying your wind up? Lol
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right.
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
I think you might need a biology textbook for Christmas
Perhaps , but as you said earlier , a waxy tree frog and a bull frog , a lion and a domestic cat . They are branches of the same species , but are species in their own right . One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
They evolved from a common ancestor. How do you think they came into being as a seperwrw soecues in their own right? "
According to science everything evolved from a common ancestor at some point . All I’m saying is that we were never another species , and I don’t believe anything was .
Each species evolved from something , I’m well aware of that . But ‘that’ which it evolved from surely can’t be any more can it ? That’s what I’m getting at . We weren’t at any point anything other than what we are now , we weren’t another species . |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right.
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
I think you might need a biology textbook for Christmas
Perhaps , but as you said earlier , a waxy tree frog and a bull frog , a lion and a domestic cat . They are branches of the same species , but are species in their own right . One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
They evolved from a common ancestor. How do you think they came into being as a seperwrw soecues in their own right?
According to science everything evolved from a common ancestor at some point . All I’m saying is that we were never another species , and I don’t believe anything was .
Each species evolved from something , I’m well aware of that . But ‘that’ which it evolved from surely can’t be any more can it ? That’s what I’m getting at . We weren’t at any point anything other than what we are now , we weren’t another species ."
It's not that we evolved from ap3e.... We are apes under the family hominoids |
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"One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
That is correct, but the first humans were born to a species of Sub-Human... and at some distant point in the evolutionary ladder we descended from a species of ape who were also descendants of modern Apes.
Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
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Would it be fair to assume that when we descended from a species of ape , that same ape became extinct when we evolved from it ?
Are you enjoying your wind up? Lol
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Does that mean since all species evolved from protozoa that every species has equal rights (as do humans)? We need to give oysters the right to vote !!!!!! Votes for oysters!!!! |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous .
So what does a butterfly come from or a frog are they always a butterfly and a frog.
Or is the evolution speeded up in those things or whats happening there then ?
The inherent dna is still from the original species . The fact that a tadpole and a caterpillar are external forms of the pre fully formed species is irrelevant . It’s still a frog , it’s still a butterfly .
The frog won’t ever become anything other than a frog , just as the butterfly will always be a butterfly .
I have no doubt that species have adapted to weather and terrain , but I don’t believe for one second that a species has become another species .
A species can deviate sufficiently from another species to be classified in it's own right.
A horse will never become a cow , a pig will never become a dog etc......
Speciation occurs but that’s interbreeding until it’s no longer physical possible , and a ‘new’ species is in existence , but it isn’t a monkey becoming a human , the monkey still exists , and the human is a new species , not a species that used to be something else .
I think you might need a biology textbook for Christmas
Perhaps , but as you said earlier , a waxy tree frog and a bull frog , a lion and a domestic cat . They are branches of the same species , but are species in their own right . One doesn’t suddenly become the other or cross over into something completely different .
All I’m saying is that humans have always been humans . We weren’t chimps or orangutans , we were always humans .
They evolved from a common ancestor. How do you think they came into being as a seperwrw soecues in their own right?
According to science everything evolved from a common ancestor at some point . All I’m saying is that we were never another species , and I don’t believe anything was .
Each species evolved from something , I’m well aware of that . But ‘that’ which it evolved from surely can’t be any more can it ? That’s what I’m getting at . We weren’t at any point anything other than what we are now , we weren’t another species ."
Hmm it almost seems like you may have read a book where you are told that a god creature created all animals on the planet as "kinds"
And that any suggestions that at one time only one or two simple life forms existed and that all life as we witness has very slowly mutated even evolved into the vast array of differing life forms and kinds we currently see may undermine what someone may have read in a certain book? |
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Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
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Would it be fair to assume that when we descended from a species of ape , that same ape became extinct when we evolved from it ? "
No not necessarily.
Evolution is basically all about mutation. So say for example a type of ancient horse is generally a mixture of random black and white colouring, but every so often the random pattern makes a vehicle stripe... then because of the improved camouflage effect if those stripes these horse type things are less likely to get caught by a predator. Then two of these stripey variations breed, and the stripey gene gets propagated creating a slightly different version of the Original horse type thing which is always stripey. It would be identical to the originals except for always being stripey... having a dominant stripey gene. And thus it has evolved.
There's nothing to say that the originals must cease to exist, it's just that a persistant mutated variant has branched off the evolutionary tree.
Multiply these tiny mutations by billions over hundreds of millions of years and you have all sorts of different new species with common beginnings. |
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Ultimately, all life (plant, animal, bacteria etc) all started from the same simple single cell life forms.
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Would it be fair to assume that when we descended from a species of ape , that same ape became extinct when we evolved from it ?
No not necessarily.
Evolution is basically all about mutation. So say for example a type of ancient horse is generally a mixture of random black and white colouring, but every so often the random pattern makes a vehicle stripe... then because of the improved camouflage effect if those stripes these horse type things are less likely to get caught by a predator. Then two of these stripey variations breed, and the stripey gene gets propagated creating a slightly different version of the Original horse type thing which is always stripey. It would be identical to the originals except for always being stripey... having a dominant stripey gene. And thus it has evolved.
There's nothing to say that the originals must cease to exist, it's just that a persistant mutated variant has branched off the evolutionary tree.
Multiply these tiny mutations by billions over hundreds of millions of years and you have all sorts of different new species with common beginnings."
That’s a good analogy , thanks  |
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous . "
A) we are an ape - the family Hominids belong to is the great apes.
B) We share a common ancestor with chimpanzees, if that is what you mean.
C) Everything on the planet evolved from a diffrent species, thanks to genetic mutations. |
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"According to who?"
Bloke down the pub told me.
According to him or her, this being an equal opportunities tale, chemicals in a primordial soup eventually mixed up a carbon based bacteria life form as in it ingested other life forms to grow and multiply, this bacteria was very successful and bred rapidly, but was a tad unsure of its composition. It therefore mutated all over the shop.
Eventually it developed characteristics that allowed it to be classified as a life form, probably a single cell, but with some ability to move it's cell walls and move where it wanted.
From that basis almost all, and certainly all visible life forms have been carbon based, probably because it is less stable than silicate, it then went on to adapt to a variety of different environments. And along that survival path many different shapes of life forms emerged.
One of which just typed this...
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"Well it certainly wasn’t that we evolved from apes , because an ape is always an ape , as is a human always a human .
Th every fact that anyone believes we were a different species at some point is ridiculous . "
Interesting so humans evolved from humanoids?
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"According to who?
Bloke down the pub told me.
According to him or her, this being an equal opportunities tale, chemicals in a primordial soup eventually mixed up a carbon based bacteria life form as in it ingested other life forms to grow and multiply, this bacteria was very successful and bred rapidly, but was a tad unsure of its composition. It therefore mutated all over the shop.
Eventually it developed characteristics that allowed it to be classified as a life form, probably a single cell, but with some ability to move it's cell walls and move where it wanted.
From that basis almost all, and certainly all visible life forms have been carbon based, probably because it is less stable than silicate, it then went on to adapt to a variety of different environments. And along that survival path many different shapes of life forms emerged.
One of which just typed this...
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I know I came from my mum and dad...
They were from planet zoid in the nebula you call Polaris |
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and also not comparable theories. 
