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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes.
No.
Despite believing in Aliens, I do not believe any have ever visited earth for anal cavity experiments on American Hillbillies. I believe they exist on planets many light years away from us! |
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By *hubaysi OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The universe is incomprehensibly large...they have to be out there somewhere. If we exist, then purely based on the probability of something similar occurring elsewhere, it's an inevitability..."
If they do exist I reckon they think we are a weird race, like how we sunbathe in the summer etc.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's a global, staged alien event in the way...just giving y'all a heads up 
We were probably genetically engineered by them. Adam and Eve and all that.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's a global, staged alien event in the way...just giving y'all a heads up
We were probably genetically engineered by them. Adam and Eve and all that. "
*On the way not in the way... |
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Do i believe in aliens?
Think about it for a second...
A superior race comes to earth, sees mankind killing each other, destroying the planet
Donald trump as president
And people wonder why they might not make first contact
Now do i believe... In a universe with billions of galaxy's if we are the only life here... Its a big ass waste of space and odds are somewhere out there is another species. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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yes.
we cannot be alone. and i blame aliens for placing a clone on the earth wearing a baseball cap back to front with a skateboard under the arm.
and before you knew it, loads of backward baseball caps.
and have you noticed people starting a conversation with 'well i mean'. aliens responsible for that too. |
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By *hubaysi OP Woman
over a year ago
Leeds |
"yes.
we cannot be alone. and i blame aliens for placing a clone on the earth wearing a baseball cap back to front with a skateboard under the arm.
and before you knew it, loads of backward baseball caps.
and have you noticed people starting a conversation with 'well i mean'. aliens responsible for that too."
Ok put the booze back in the cupboard now lol  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"yes.
we cannot be alone. and i blame aliens for placing a clone on the earth wearing a baseball cap back to front with a skateboard under the arm.
and before you knew it, loads of backward baseball caps.
and have you noticed people starting a conversation with 'well i mean'. aliens responsible for that too.
Ok put the booze back in the cupboard now lol "
se, they have got to you too |
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By *hubaysi OP Woman
over a year ago
Leeds |
"yes.
we cannot be alone. and i blame aliens for placing a clone on the earth wearing a baseball cap back to front with a skateboard under the arm.
and before you knew it, loads of backward baseball caps.
and have you noticed people starting a conversation with 'well i mean'. aliens responsible for that too.
Ok put the booze back in the cupboard now lol
se, they have got to you too"
It would have to be a strong willed alien to get to me love |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah they exist in a far far away galaxy in our galaxy we are the first sentient species .So therefore we are alone due to the vast distances between galaxies . |
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"The universe is incomprehensibly large...they have to be out there somewhere. If we exist, then purely based on the probability of something similar occurring elsewhere, it's an inevitability...
If they do exist I reckon they think we are a weird race, like how we sunbathe in the summer etc...."
We do in the West...
A lot of places in the East they avoid it, because a tan indicates lower social class (manual labour, working in fields etc)
In a way I think it's almost the same but opposite over here:
"I can afford a holiday somewhere nice and am not constantly stuck inside an office all day" or something... |
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"Yeah they exist in a far far away galaxy in our galaxy we are the first sentient species .So therefore we are alone due to the vast distances between galaxies ."
Space is curved though so distance doesn’t necessarily mean time. Aliens can bend space-time. In theory, anyway. |
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"Yeah they exist in a far far away galaxy in our galaxy we are the first sentient species .So therefore we are alone due to the vast distances between galaxies .
Space is curved though so distance doesn’t necessarily mean time. Aliens can bend space-time. In theory, anyway. "
Time is a human construct |
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"After some of the comments and messages we have received on here. There has to be higher intelligence somewhere in the universe."
Maybe.....maybe not. After all:
*sings*
“....Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at 900 miles an hour.
It's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned,
The sun that is the source of all our power.
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars;
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide.
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,
We go 'round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth” |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I actually do. I find it impossible to believe we are the only plant in the universe that supports life. With the right elements life WILL find a way.
Do I believe they are here? YES.
I believevits covered up because if it got out about extra terrestrial life I think it would end world religions and people would fall apart without their faith.
Over thinker me lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To many planets not to be other forms of life
And the way technology has moved along in this world . I think they are on this planet but we the public just don't know |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyone heard of the Fermi Paradox? Google it.
A possible explanation is that there’s a secret society of alien civilisations who are sworn not to interfere, and once a civilisation gains interstellar travel, they are contacted by this society, and asked to adopt their principles, or go to war (which they would certainly lose)
The universe is far to big for us to be the only intelligent life |
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I think it's unlikely that the earth gets visited by aliens in the way that they're typically portrayed as visiting us.
I assume that other life forms exist outside of earth, with most forms not having the ability to direct and complete travel to us. The greatest barrier to visits is likely to be the huge distance, with technology, risks and constraints limiting potential.
Generally of such low likelihood that it's not worth thinking about until any evidence to the contrary imo |
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To think that we are the only life form in the universe is highly unlikely .
We know how long the earth has been around .
We know what life forms have inhabited this planet .
We have no idea how many more planets there are in the universe . Nor how long they have been around . But what we do know is there are probably as many planets out there as there are grains of sand in the desert !
Many will have been around way longer than ours . So why wouldn’t they have sustained life , and why not way more advanced than ours ?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do believe the exist and probably been here at some point how would we ever know?
Also adding on to what another poster said earlier about religion breaking down theres also another reason for keeping it covered up it would then be proved then that theres alternative fuel sources out there and the engery sector (gas oil pertol etc) would collapse its also about the power and money the stand to lose having us addicted
But in galactic terms we dont even rate were like a 2yr old thats found the matches weve only been to the moon (maybe) too busy fighting each other over petty things might warrent the odd field trip for study like a safari |
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"Do they actually exist?
Has anyone seen one?
Discuss....
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To be fair, I am still holding out on the hope that I am one, and that my own kind will remember where they have left me, and will one day come and pick me up and take me to a better place.
But seriously, we are here, so there is no reason for there not to be anyone else out there too. |
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Aliens I have not made my mind up, the theories of aliens or sky people is in all cultures and religions throughout the world. Therefore is it harder to believe in the gods of all these religions or cultures, or is it more realistic that these gods were aliens?
To be honest who cares anyway!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's got to be a reason why Trump came into office, given top secret clearance and then decided to set up a Space Force, as a new branch of the military. "
Dude if you can travel faster than light across unimaginable distances .We are no more than monkeys scratching our collective arses comparatively to any interstellar civilisation .A war with an interstellar civilisation would probably last minutes ...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think there is life out there. Is there intelligent life? Yes. But I think the existence of both will seriously trouble atheist thought. Perhaps even falsifying it. And it'll probably do Darwin in too. It would suggest that things like DNA form via natural processes. And that would be highly suggestive of intelligent activity rather than dumb luck.
Have they contacted us? I think you have to reverse the equation. How would we contact them? It would be via communication signals first. Sending noises or flashes of light out to alert them to our presence. Then we'd probably send out an unmanned probe. At that point we may start chatting with the other civilization via messages in bottles. This is the kind of thing I'd expect in return. Maybe that was roswell? Dunno. But I doubt actual living aliens are visiting us. Not unless they've cracked the problems of beyond light speed travel and anti gravity |
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In the 999,000,000,000,000 galaxies and 999,000,000,000 solar systems in each of those and millions of stars and planets in those , to expect there to be only life on one miniscule grain of sand on Bondi Beach is absurd . There must be surely !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun . |
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By *ddit...Man
over a year ago
Land of the giants... ;-) |
Yes...
The chances are incredibly slim that there aren't... due to the number of universes... if you believe in parallel universes the chances are higher... what isn't known is how intelligent the life form is.. |
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I've got a true story about aliens to tell you lot about. I don't tell many as natural reaction is to take the piss and don't do well with others taking the piss when i'm actually being deadly serious. It's very long so when i have the time later to tell it,i will. I'm still not sure if i believe what i saw but you guys can make up your own minds |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The universe is incomprehensibly large...they have to be out there somewhere. If we exist, then purely based on the probability of something similar occurring elsewhere, it's an inevitability..."
This.
Not sure I’m ready to believe little green men have visited us just yet though |
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By *sh6866Man
over a year ago
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Of course there is intelligent life out there.....
But I'm only visiting
The only reason an alien race hasn't taken over our planet is that they've watched for a while and thought 'they're just going to destroy themselves, we'll wait and save our energy' |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun . "
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever |
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever "
The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end ."
Non answers are always far simpler |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ancient sumairans documented how human exsistance came to be wrote in STONE. These stones predate everything we know by thousands of years.
And tell us how we came across banking maths farming building and all the other stuff that apprently just appered with the god thing.
You guys should look what they refuse to teach us in school.
# open your eyes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever "
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods. |
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler "
When one single human being on this planet proves unequivocally that we have an answer either way then I will agree with you . But as it stands the plain facts are , we don't know!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler "
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn. |
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"“Hey mom, there’s something in the back room...”
Hope it’s not the creatures from above..."
You used to read me stories
As if my dreams were boring
We all know conspiracies are dumb |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn. "
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn.
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end" "
I'll grant you that the word "yet" should have replaced "the end." |
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn.
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end" "
But it is lol. Nobody ( including you and me ) knows . That is a fact !! |
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn.
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end" But it is lol. Nobody ( including you and me ) knows . That is a fact !!"
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By *isa 59Woman
over a year ago
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Yes, I do believe in extraterrestrial life.
I'm not aware of ever having seen an extraterrestrial life form.
My favourite TV programme at the moment is Ancient Aliens on the History channel. I find it to be really thought provoking. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn.
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end"
I'll grant you that the word "yet" should have replaced "the end.""
Haha. But it isn't even an answer. If you ask what's 2 + 2 do you really think "dunno" is an answer?  I concede it's a description of our current position in terms of seeking evidence of alien life. But that description isn't an answer. It's just a statement of fact
Sorry... Feeling particularly pedantic today haha |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods."
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
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By (user no longer on site)
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn.
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end"
I'll grant you that the word "yet" should have replaced "the end."
Haha. But it isn't even an answer. If you ask what's 2 + 2 do you really think "dunno" is an answer? I concede it's a description of our current position in terms of seeking evidence of alien life. But that description isn't an answer. It's just a statement of fact
Sorry... Feeling particularly pedantic today haha "
I don't know is a perfectly acceptable answer to 2+2 if the person being asked doesn't actually know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn.
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end"
I'll grant you that the word "yet" should have replaced "the end."
Haha. But it isn't even an answer. If you ask what's 2 + 2 do you really think "dunno" is an answer? I concede it's a description of our current position in terms of seeking evidence of alien life. But that description isn't an answer. It's just a statement of fact
Sorry... Feeling particularly pedantic today haha
I don't know is a perfectly acceptable answer to 2+2 if the person being asked doesn't actually know."
It's a perfectly acceptable reply. But it isn't "the answer" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The answer is far simpler than that .
We don't know. The end .
Non answers are always far simpler
That's not a non-answer, it's an honest one. Not being afraid to say that you don't know is incredibly liberating as it gives you permission to learn.
That's not how sweary phrased it. He said he had "the answer". That answer was "we don't know". And that was "the end". Instead, that was neither "the answer" nor "the end"
I'll grant you that the word "yet" should have replaced "the end."
Haha. But it isn't even an answer. If you ask what's 2 + 2 do you really think "dunno" is an answer? I concede it's a description of our current position in terms of seeking evidence of alien life. But that description isn't an answer. It's just a statement of fact
Sorry... Feeling particularly pedantic today haha
I don't know is a perfectly acceptable answer to 2+2 if the person being asked doesn't actually know.
It's a perfectly acceptable reply. But it isn't "the answer" "
It's the only answer if you don't know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods.
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
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Atheist thought is reliant upon dumbness and simplicity. The more that can be explained by dumb chance and lots of simple interactions leading to complex results, the more plausible an atheist explanation of reality is. The more we require intelligence and a degree of teleological guidance in nature's processes, and the more complex and improbable each step in reaching the observed results is... the less plausible an atheist explanation of reality is.
The mere existence of the highly complex DNA molecule is already a massive problem for atheists to explain. The best they can hope for is that it occurred by random chance in a one in a zillion event that happened in a vast or infinite universe. If nature conspires regularly to form living cells with complex DNA like molecules in them then, regardless of how those form, it is highly suggestive of a teleological agenda underpinning our existence which is utterly at odds with atheism |
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods.
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
Atheist thought is reliant upon dumbness and simplicity. The more that can be explained by dumb chance and lots of simple interactions leading to complex results, the more plausible an atheist explanation of reality is. The more we require intelligence and a degree of teleological guidance in nature's processes, and the more complex and improbable each step in reaching the observed results is... the less plausible an atheist explanation of reality is.
The mere existence of the highly complex DNA molecule is already a massive problem for atheists to explain. The best they can hope for is that it occurred by random chance in a one in a zillion event that happened in a vast or infinite universe. If nature conspires regularly to form living cells with complex DNA like molecules in them then, regardless of how those form, it is highly suggestive of a teleological agenda underpinning our existence which is utterly at odds with atheism "
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods.
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
Atheist thought is reliant upon dumbness and simplicity. The more that can be explained by dumb chance and lots of simple interactions leading to complex results, the more plausible an atheist explanation of reality is. The more we require intelligence and a degree of teleological guidance in nature's processes, and the more complex and improbable each step in reaching the observed results is... the less plausible an atheist explanation of reality is.
The mere existence of the highly complex DNA molecule is already a massive problem for atheists to explain. The best they can hope for is that it occurred by random chance in a one in a zillion event that happened in a vast or infinite universe. If nature conspires regularly to form living cells with complex DNA like molecules in them then, regardless of how those form, it is highly suggestive of a teleological agenda underpinning our existence which is utterly at odds with atheism "
Ok you're trying to suggest intelligent design with your teleological suggestion.
Id is always a circular regression to the favour of the atheist
Whatever thing you argue needs a more complex thing to make it you will always regress to what made the maker
Evolution from simple to complex solves the dilemma
The mis direction and misnomers of throwing the words random and chance are illustrating only a lack of understanding with regards maths and evolutionary processes
I suspect most greatly aliens exist
They may even have designed and constructed the dna for life on earth but one thing for near certain is they are evolved from simple matter and did not just randomly aherm as supremely complex designers or (god)
I suspect that aliens exist and did not create humans or this planet
They may be a fundamental seed for life on earth they may not
I have no reasons not to suspect life has evolved to a variety of complexities across time and the cosmos
I have a vast number of reasons with collaborative data to conclude no creator is plausible x |
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods.
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
Atheist thought is reliant upon dumbness and simplicity. The more that can be explained by dumb chance and lots of simple interactions leading to complex results, the more plausible an atheist explanation of reality is. The more we require intelligence and a degree of teleological guidance in nature's processes, and the more complex and improbable each step in reaching the observed results is... the less plausible an atheist explanation of reality is.
The mere existence of the highly complex DNA molecule is already a massive problem for atheists to explain. The best they can hope for is that it occurred by random chance in a one in a zillion event that happened in a vast or infinite universe. If nature conspires regularly to form living cells with complex DNA like molecules in them then, regardless of how those form, it is highly suggestive of a teleological agenda underpinning our existence which is utterly at odds with atheism "
You have obviously been reading to much of the website Evolution News which is nothing more than a mouth piece for advocates of Intelligent Design and Creationism.
As your original post is nothing but a direct lift from that site that is trying to replace science with fundamental religious beliefs.
Probably be helpful if you understood your ism's
Atheism - The disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
Darwinism - The theory of the evolution of species by natural selection.
By their very nature of their rejection of religious dogma and the associated mumbo jumbo are more likely to believe that life has evolved elsewhere in the universe.
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"Do i believe in aliens?
Think about it for a second...
A superior race comes to earth, sees mankind killing each other, destroying the planet
Donald trump as president
And people wonder why they might not make first contact
Now do i believe... In a universe with billions of galaxy's if we are the only life here... Its a big ass waste of space and odds are somewhere out there is another species. "
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Have you just taken everything you've just said from Hollywood movies?.
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Unlike in the film Contact our signals haven't penetrated space further than we can see. So based on that nobody knows we are here. Life ? Absolutely, intelligent life? Jury's out.... |
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Probability says that we’re not the only intelligent life form out there.
As for alien visits, why do they always travel millions of miles then just hover overhead and disappear? Whenever we send a space vehicle to another planet we have it land but they seem to just observe from a few hundred feet and disappear, makes no sense! So no, I don’t believe we’ve been ‘visited’ |
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods.
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
Atheist thought is reliant upon dumbness and simplicity. The more that can be explained by dumb chance and lots of simple interactions leading to complex results, the more plausible an atheist explanation of reality is. The more we require intelligence and a degree of teleological guidance in nature's processes, and the more complex and improbable each step in reaching the observed results is... the less plausible an atheist explanation of reality is.
The mere existence of the highly complex DNA molecule is already a massive problem for atheists to explain. The best they can hope for is that it occurred by random chance in a one in a zillion event that happened in a vast or infinite universe. If nature conspires regularly to form living cells with complex DNA like molecules in them then, regardless of how those form, it is highly suggestive of a teleological agenda underpinning our existence which is utterly at odds with atheism
You have obviously been reading to much of the website Evolution News which is nothing more than a mouth piece for advocates of Intelligent Design and Creationism.
As your original post is nothing but a direct lift from that site that is trying to replace science with fundamental religious beliefs.
Probably be helpful if you understood your ism's
Atheism - The disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
Darwinism - The theory of the evolution of species by natural selection.
By their very nature of their rejection of religious dogma and the associated mumbo jumbo are more likely to believe that life has evolved elsewhere in the universe.
#doyourresearch
#trygoingbacktoschool
#flawedbeliefs
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The simple fact is that if you swing your club on the tee of the 18th hole and it flies all the way down the fairway and into the hole then that's an amazing bit of luck. If you then hit it two more times and it does the same you must have an incredible amount of skill. If every time you hit the ball it lands in the hole... something else is going on |
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods.
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
Atheist thought is reliant upon dumbness and simplicity. The more that can be explained by dumb chance and lots of simple interactions leading to complex results, the more plausible an atheist explanation of reality is. The more we require intelligence and a degree of teleological guidance in nature's processes, and the more complex and improbable each step in reaching the observed results is... the less plausible an atheist explanation of reality is.
The mere existence of the highly complex DNA molecule is already a massive problem for atheists to explain. The best they can hope for is that it occurred by random chance in a one in a zillion event that happened in a vast or infinite universe. If nature conspires regularly to form living cells with complex DNA like molecules in them then, regardless of how those form, it is highly suggestive of a teleological agenda underpinning our existence which is utterly at odds with atheism
You have obviously been reading to much of the website Evolution News which is nothing more than a mouth piece for advocates of Intelligent Design and Creationism.
As your original post is nothing but a direct lift from that site that is trying to replace science with fundamental religious beliefs.
Probably be helpful if you understood your ism's
Atheism - The disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
Darwinism - The theory of the evolution of species by natural selection.
By their very nature of their rejection of religious dogma and the associated mumbo jumbo are more likely to believe that life has evolved elsewhere in the universe.
#doyourresearch
#trygoingbacktoschool
#flawedbeliefs
Never heard of evolution news and I think intelligent design and creationism are full of shit. My assertions come through understanding the science and thinking it through
#trythinking "
You state you think intelligent design and creationism are full of shit ( I have to agree with you on this). However you originally use the same arguments they use against Darwinism and Atheism.
It seem that you either have muddled thinking or really do not fully understand these two concepts.
The nature of complex chemical interactions throughout the whole universe means life will have evolved elsewhere without the need for any intervention by higher power. There is enough beauty in the universe without need for any form of god or gods.
If we are judging intelligent life by our standards maybe we are aiming too low.
As I previously stated Atheism and Darwinism will relish the discovery of alien life as it will actively reinforce them.
It’s the religious freaks that need to be running scared...
It might be worth rethinking your original post as it certainly sounds like you are advocating creationism or intelligent design even though you deny it....
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"The simple fact is that if you swing your club on the tee of the 18th hole and it flies all the way down the fairway and into the hole then that's an amazing bit of luck. If you then hit it two more times and it does the same you must have an incredible amount of skill. If every time you hit the ball it lands in the hole... something else is going on "
Try reading Probability Theory....
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"The simple fact is that if you swing your club on the tee of the 18th hole and it flies all the way down the fairway and into the hole then that's an amazing bit of luck. If you then hit it two more times and it does the same you must have an incredible amount of skill. If every time you hit the ball it lands in the hole... something else is going on "
Yes indeed something else is going on
Intelligent design it isn't though
An understanding of quantum mechanics solves the over simplified and poor golf ball analogy on its own
You wrongly suggest one person slowly hitting one ball
The reality is more like 10 to power of 10 000 shots a second we may not know which shot will hit but within time period x it is certain they will
Bizarrely that inevitably is random , there however is more
Compounded to the random is order , not everything that moves is random like an atom , gravity will give a progressive order
Two examples are the tide and stuff falling through water
Gravity causes the moon to give progressive order to water height thus stuff will change progressively over time
Stuff falling through water does not fall randomly , even though randomness exists , evolution does require random dramatic change , even though randomness exists the stuff that falls will be sorted according to size and density
Above is a highly simplified example of all evolving requires is , time and movement
Again if your (something else) required is complex you will always regress to the same problem that your something else must have by your own poor logic a "something else " as it's creator or orchestrater
I spend a lot of time on beaches , the weather systems of the planet are described by chaos theory , ie randomness
Waves caused by the random wind also seem random , but right there they have both order and quantum properties
Onto the beach we see amazing ordered structure out of sand , dunes and the ripple marks in the sand, salt that is progressively distilled running water that meanders with linier. Progression
The golf ball analogy , just as the whirl wind in a junk yard making a 747 randomly by chance are only very good examples of the great misunderstanding of the nature of fundamental concepts beyond that they have zero correlation with how systems evolve and by systems I refer to the fundamental particles and upwards way way before life evolved
Simple fact remains
If your brain requires something you consider advanced or complex to only be able to be constructed by sentience then sentience itself will always by your brain require the same logic and the problem never resolved
If you change your logic to resolve your problem , ie sentience (very complex system) can exist without itself needing a creator then by default you would be saying something of unimaginable complexity can and did occur randomly, and by default the randomness would have taken place using the rules I suggest explain real world randomness
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Yes, the universe is infinite which scrambles your brain when you try to comprehend it! All those billions of galaxies out there with their own sun much like ours supporting life. Perhaps they are just human like us or have evolved into something else entirely. Maybe there's a planet where they passed our technological advances millions of years ago or another where they are only just discovering fire, but until we invent a way of deep space travel at ridiculous speeds so the crew don't get old and die on the way then we'll never know. There's an old sci fi book called "The Forever War" which explores space travel and how the people who are sent off to fight a war on another planet light years away feel like they were only gone for months, but hundreds of years have passed on earth when they get back and they don't even recognise home, and nobody on earth even remembers what the war they went to fight was about, it's fascinating stuff. |
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"The odds of life evolving and to become sentient could be trillions to 1.
We will likely find millions of planets with bacteria on it or non sentient life .If we ever get out there.
Intelligent life is rare even on the third rock from the sun .
Yeah. When people assert aliens must exist I don't think they've quite grasped the complexity of what's being asked of the universe for it to have spawned life more than once. Even the most simple self replicating living cell out there with something akin to RNA/DNA would be a major blow to atheist thought. For such a thing to have come about once by accident is hard enough to believe in. For it to have happened by chance twice or more is utterly ridiculous. Certainly if we find something like that on Mars then you can pretty much ignore atheism from that moment on. And probably Darwin with it. From then on it would be clear we're living in a universe that actively promotes intelligent life, not the creation of dumb random luck whatsoever
So several points. Firstly, it's recently been shown that the Base units of DNA and RNA can be produced in outer space conditions using pre-existing chemicals such as pyrimidine which is found in many meteorites. The chance that the building blocks of life being elsewhere in the universe is actually, therefore, far more likely than you think.
Secondly, the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe will have absolutely no effect on what you describe as Atheist Thought since it still won't give any compelling reason to believe in a god or gods.
As an atheist I totally agree with the last points.... Discovery of any form of alien live will reinforce atheism and Darwinism as it will dispel the belief as any god or gods being creator.... More than likely to throw organised religions and creationists in to turmoil or just plain denial.
Atheist thought is reliant upon dumbness and simplicity. The more that can be explained by dumb chance and lots of simple interactions leading to complex results, the more plausible an atheist explanation of reality is. The more we require intelligence and a degree of teleological guidance in nature's processes, and the more complex and improbable each step in reaching the observed results is... the less plausible an atheist explanation of reality is.
The mere existence of the highly complex DNA molecule is already a massive problem for atheists to explain. The best they can hope for is that it occurred by random chance in a one in a zillion event that happened in a vast or infinite universe. If nature conspires regularly to form living cells with complex DNA like molecules in them then, regardless of how those form, it is highly suggestive of a teleological agenda underpinning our existence which is utterly at odds with atheism
You have obviously been reading to much of the website Evolution News which is nothing more than a mouth piece for advocates of Intelligent Design and Creationism.
As your original post is nothing but a direct lift from that site that is trying to replace science with fundamental religious beliefs.
Probably be helpful if you understood your ism's
Atheism - The disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
Darwinism - The theory of the evolution of species by natural selection.
By their very nature of their rejection of religious dogma and the associated mumbo jumbo are more likely to believe that life has evolved elsewhere in the universe.
#doyourresearch
#trygoingbacktoschool
#flawedbeliefs
Never heard of evolution news and I think intelligent design and creationism are full of shit. My assertions come through understanding the science and thinking it through
#trythinking
You state you think intelligent design and creationism are full of shit ( I have to agree with you on this). However you originally use the same arguments they use against Darwinism and Atheism.
It seem that you either have muddled thinking or really do not fully understand these two concepts.
The nature of complex chemical interactions throughout the whole universe means life will have evolved elsewhere without the need for any intervention by higher power. There is enough beauty in the universe without need for any form of god or gods.
If we are judging intelligent life by our standards maybe we are aiming too low.
As I previously stated Atheism and Darwinism will relish the discovery of alien life as it will actively reinforce them.
It’s the religious freaks that need to be running scared...
It might be worth rethinking your original post as it certainly sounds like you are advocating creationism or intelligent design even though you deny it....
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Atheism dictates that the universe started out as dumb matter and that intelligence has emerged from it purely as an accidental byproduct.
Theism dictates that the universe started out as intelligence and that this intelligence caused matter to emerge out of a wilful act.
Life itself still represents one of the most compelling signs of intelligence at work organising matter. Indeed we see this most clearly in how single cells divide and follow a body plan to build a baby. Clearly there is intelligence involved in this process. Women don't miscarry a million times and then fluke a baby on the millionth and one time.
As such, the existence of life is a powerful argument for a god. The best way to counter this, however, is to argue that it was a one off fluke; that life accidentally erupted out of a stroke of lightening hitting some primordial soupy puddle billions of years ago. So long as we are alone, atheism has oxygen to breathe... atheists can hold to the topsy turvy illusion that dumb matter begets intelligence and not vice versa.
But if the universe is full of life... then atheism's problems are multiplied.
You can tell my argument is correct because it's the exact same argument that atheists use for the universe. If there was only one big bang then the odds of this being a universe with life in are uncannily astronomical and highly suggestive that theism is right. But, they would go on to argue, it now looks highly likely that we are only one universe in a multitude of universes; the multiverse. We are just the lucky one in a million. To sustain this argument it would be imperative for most of the other universes to not have life in them.
Atheists need this same argument for the existence of life on earth. We are only one in a million. This is why I say the discovery of life on Mars would effectively falsify atheism.
I'm getting the sense of quite a strong anti-theological agenda from either you or the other guy... and through that a willingness to attack me personally as someone who needs to go back to school. As someone who was an atheist once, I'm merely asserting what I believe to be rationally correct i.e for me this discussion doesn't have a strong emotive angle to it. If you carry on just hammering at me as if I'm an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about I'm just going to ignore you as being a hot head. You should know just as well as me that there's no point reasoning with a hot head who's too emotionally vested in their point of view to see reason |
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"The simple fact is that if you swing your club on the tee of the 18th hole and it flies all the way down the fairway and into the hole then that's an amazing bit of luck. If you then hit it two more times and it does the same you must have an incredible amount of skill. If every time you hit the ball it lands in the hole... something else is going on
Yes indeed something else is going on
Intelligent design it isn't though
An understanding of quantum mechanics solves the over simplified and poor golf ball analogy on its own
You wrongly suggest one person slowly hitting one ball
The reality is more like 10 to power of 10 000 shots a second we may not know which shot will hit but within time period x it is certain they will
Bizarrely that inevitably is random , there however is more
Compounded to the random is order , not everything that moves is random like an atom , gravity will give a progressive order
Two examples are the tide and stuff falling through water
Gravity causes the moon to give progressive order to water height thus stuff will change progressively over time
Stuff falling through water does not fall randomly , even though randomness exists , evolution does require random dramatic change , even though randomness exists the stuff that falls will be sorted according to size and density
Above is a highly simplified example of all evolving requires is , time and movement
Again if your (something else) required is complex you will always regress to the same problem that your something else must have by your own poor logic a "something else " as it's creator or orchestrater
I spend a lot of time on beaches , the weather systems of the planet are described by chaos theory , ie randomness
Waves caused by the random wind also seem random , but right there they have both order and quantum properties
Onto the beach we see amazing ordered structure out of sand , dunes and the ripple marks in the sand, salt that is progressively distilled running water that meanders with linier. Progression
The golf ball analogy , just as the whirl wind in a junk yard making a 747 randomly by chance are only very good examples of the great misunderstanding of the nature of fundamental concepts beyond that they have zero correlation with how systems evolve and by systems I refer to the fundamental particles and upwards way way before life evolved
Simple fact remains
If your brain requires something you consider advanced or complex to only be able to be constructed by sentience then sentience itself will always by your brain require the same logic and the problem never resolved
If you change your logic to resolve your problem , ie sentience (very complex system) can exist without itself needing a creator then by default you would be saying something of unimaginable complexity can and did occur randomly, and by default the randomness would have taken place using the rules I suggest explain real world randomness
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I love this  but probably for all the wrong reasons. You've missed your calling dude writing quantumy bunkum for new agers. Sorry but that all reads like woo woo to me. Deepak Chopra would be proud |
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My aunty used to swear blind that she saw an alien space ship in the sky over Carrington moss for 3 nights running..
Nobody believed her though as she was a hippie who drank tea made from magic mushrooms..
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"The simple fact is that if you swing your club on the tee of the 18th hole and it flies all the way down the fairway and into the hole then that's an amazing bit of luck. If you then hit it two more times and it does the same you must have an incredible amount of skill. If every time you hit the ball it lands in the hole... something else is going on
Yes indeed something else is going on
Intelligent design it isn't though
An understanding of quantum mechanics solves the over simplified and poor golf ball analogy on its own
You wrongly suggest one person slowly hitting one ball
The reality is more like 10 to power of 10 000 shots a second we may not know which shot will hit but within time period x it is certain they will
Bizarrely that inevitably is random , there however is more
Compounded to the random is order , not everything that moves is random like an atom , gravity will give a progressive order
Two examples are the tide and stuff falling through water
Gravity causes the moon to give progressive order to water height thus stuff will change progressively over time
Stuff falling through water does not fall randomly , even though randomness exists , evolution does require random dramatic change , even though randomness exists the stuff that falls will be sorted according to size and density
Above is a highly simplified example of all evolving requires is , time and movement
Again if your (something else) required is complex you will always regress to the same problem that your something else must have by your own poor logic a "something else " as it's creator or orchestrater
I spend a lot of time on beaches , the weather systems of the planet are described by chaos theory , ie randomness
Waves caused by the random wind also seem random , but right there they have both order and quantum properties
Onto the beach we see amazing ordered structure out of sand , dunes and the ripple marks in the sand, salt that is progressively distilled running water that meanders with linier. Progression
The golf ball analogy , just as the whirl wind in a junk yard making a 747 randomly by chance are only very good examples of the great misunderstanding of the nature of fundamental concepts beyond that they have zero correlation with how systems evolve and by systems I refer to the fundamental particles and upwards way way before life evolved
Simple fact remains
If your brain requires something you consider advanced or complex to only be able to be constructed by sentience then sentience itself will always by your brain require the same logic and the problem never resolved
If you change your logic to resolve your problem , ie sentience (very complex system) can exist without itself needing a creator then by default you would be saying something of unimaginable complexity can and did occur randomly, and by default the randomness would have taken place using the rules I suggest explain real world randomness
I love this but probably for all the wrong reasons. You've missed your calling dude writing quantumy bunkum for new agers. Sorry but that all reads like woo woo to me. Deepak Chopra would be proud "
That's good now explain which bit is wrong and why 
Also perhaps address my main point as the qm part was tiny and not part of the wave patterns on the beach ?
My main point is
You suggest that complexity can only be created by intelligence
I suggest intelligence is indeed very complex
How do you resolve your infinite regression xxx |
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Also quick note on quantum mechanics
There is much about qt I don't understand or believe
However I assume you believe that atoms exist ? And possibly that atoms contain electrons ? There's rather a lot of evidence , see chemistry , if you don't
Ok it's reasonable to suggest we know electrons travel within an an atom at the speed of light ?
Thus it is quite plausible to suggest that within a short time frame an electron has indeed covered every part of the space within the atom ?
I could illustrate the fact with brownien motion within a confined gas
But feel free to highlight where my logic fails xxx |
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"The simple fact is that if you swing your club on the tee of the 18th hole and it flies all the way down the fairway and into the hole then that's an amazing bit of luck. If you then hit it two more times and it does the same you must have an incredible amount of skill. If every time you hit the ball it lands in the hole... something else is going on
Yes indeed something else is going on
Intelligent design it isn't though
An understanding of quantum mechanics solves the over simplified and poor golf ball analogy on its own
You wrongly suggest one person slowly hitting one ball
The reality is more like 10 to power of 10 000 shots a second we may not know which shot will hit but within time period x it is certain they will
Bizarrely that inevitably is random , there however is more
Compounded to the random is order , not everything that moves is random like an atom , gravity will give a progressive order
Two examples are the tide and stuff falling through water
Gravity causes the moon to give progressive order to water height thus stuff will change progressively over time
Stuff falling through water does not fall randomly , even though randomness exists , evolution does require random dramatic change , even though randomness exists the stuff that falls will be sorted according to size and density
Above is a highly simplified example of all evolving requires is , time and movement
Again if your (something else) required is complex you will always regress to the same problem that your something else must have by your own poor logic a "something else " as it's creator or orchestrater
I spend a lot of time on beaches , the weather systems of the planet are described by chaos theory , ie randomness
Waves caused by the random wind also seem random , but right there they have both order and quantum properties
Onto the beach we see amazing ordered structure out of sand , dunes and the ripple marks in the sand, salt that is progressively distilled running water that meanders with linier. Progression
The golf ball analogy , just as the whirl wind in a junk yard making a 747 randomly by chance are only very good examples of the great misunderstanding of the nature of fundamental concepts beyond that they have zero correlation with how systems evolve and by systems I refer to the fundamental particles and upwards way way before life evolved
Simple fact remains
If your brain requires something you consider advanced or complex to only be able to be constructed by sentience then sentience itself will always by your brain require the same logic and the problem never resolved
If you change your logic to resolve your problem , ie sentience (very complex system) can exist without itself needing a creator then by default you would be saying something of unimaginable complexity can and did occur randomly, and by default the randomness would have taken place using the rules I suggest explain real world randomness
I love this but probably for all the wrong reasons. You've missed your calling dude writing quantumy bunkum for new agers. Sorry but that all reads like woo woo to me. Deepak Chopra would be proud
That's good now explain which bit is wrong and why
Also perhaps address my main point as the qm part was tiny and not part of the wave patterns on the beach ?
My main point is
You suggest that complexity can only be created by intelligence
I suggest intelligence is indeed very complex
How do you resolve your infinite regression xxx"
Wrong. Complexity can be created by the wind blowing the sand. Ordered complexity to the effect that it originates organised intelligent life. It's that intelligent ordering of random things, going against the second law of thermodynamics, and organising them into well oiled and highly animated contraptions like a living cell... that's highly suggestive of an organising principle at work behind nature. As such, to resolve your dilemma...
For you intelligence is an unfathomably complex end result of a bewildering array of dumb unguided events.
For me intelligence is just a force like gravity.
Dawkins argument which you're using here was dumb. |
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"Also quick note on quantum mechanics
There is much about qt I don't understand or believe
However I assume you believe that atoms exist ? And possibly that atoms contain electrons ? There's rather a lot of evidence , see chemistry , if you don't
Ok it's reasonable to suggest we know electrons travel within an an atom at the speed of light ?
Thus it is quite plausible to suggest that within a short time frame an electron has indeed covered every part of the space within the atom ?
I could illustrate the fact with brownien motion within a confined gas
But feel free to highlight where my logic fails xxx"
I bow to your woo woo haha. You are the undoubted champ |
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off some volcanic vent, on an exoplanet or moon.
