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"Take your top off "and bathe in the sun | |||
"What are the rules? " *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... | |||
"Take your top off
and bathe in the sun"Here endth the rules. | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms......" In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is  | |||
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"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is "Thems the perks...... So to speak.  | |||
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"What about moving around topless? " That sounds like effort  | |||
"What about moving around topless? That sounds like effort "in this heat it can be an effort lol. | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is "Not strictly true. Being topless is not itself unlawful, it's only becomes an offence if it's likely to cause shock or outrage to persons nearby. | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not strictly true. Being topless is not itself unlawful, it's only becomes an offence if it's likely to cause shock or outrage to persons nearby."right that's me off to tescos topless. I'll risk the police being involved  | |||
"What about moving around topless? " In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not strictly true. Being topless is not itself unlawful, it's only becomes an offence if it's likely to cause shock or outrage to persons nearby.". I've never quite understood adults that find nudity offensive. Parents with small children, fair enough (although I've never seen any perplexed and offended kids on the beach in Spain where tits are everywhere). | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is "Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long. | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. " There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. | |||
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"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long. "They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency. | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. " That was me with my man boobs  | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency. "Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. That was me with my man boobs "I thought 'she' looked familiar. | |||
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"Law aside I think it’s generally acceptable to sunbathe tooless in the usual places where people gather to sunbathe. Beaches, parks etc. If you were going to the ice cream man or wandering about then I’d cover up and just take your top off when laying down again. This will avoid the benny hill scenario of women being chased at high speed by dirty old men. "Leaving the last bit aside, it's a norm to cover up to move around? | |||
"What are the rules? " Well I don't care what the rules are I am doing it anyway...call me crazy | |||
"What are the rules? Well I don't care what the rules are I am doing it anyway...call me crazy "You're crazy. I'm having a naked morning. I haven't managed to get the cleaning done, hence posting nonsense here. | |||
"What are the rules? Well I don't care what the rules are I am doing it anyway...call me crazy
You're crazy.
I'm having a naked morning. I haven't managed to get the cleaning done, hence posting nonsense here.
"Well thanks for that, I am unlikely to get anything done now for the next 10 minutes...well maybe 2 | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test. "As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. " . Were you offended? | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence. ". What's the "normally accepted standard" for Oxford Street?. | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence. .
What's the "normally accepted standard" for Oxford Street?.
"Same as Oxford road up our way but bigger shopping bags. | |||
" What's the "normally accepted standard" for Oxford Street?. " It all depends on how quickly you are wanting to get arrested | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence. .
What's the "normally accepted standard" for Oxford Street?.
Same as Oxford road up our way but bigger shopping bags.".
No I was thinking I wouldn't normally expect a bikini wearing lady.
Is that then acceptable? Or illegal?, is it just the fact that I can see her nipple that makes it a public decency offense.
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended?" Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not strictly true. Being topless is not itself unlawful, it's only becomes an offence if it's likely to cause shock or outrage to persons nearby. right that's me off to tescos topless. I'll risk the police being involved "Lol the think the whole squad would come just to erm sort the situation out!  | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. " If they have been doing it a while and no one has complained I can't see a problem. If a new neighbour moves in there might be though. It wouldn't bother me if they were naked, as long as they weren't trying to get my attention. | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. " I tend to take the view that breasts being demystified is a good thing. To be fair, the "identifiably religious" are problem offended by women in full bikinis so wouldn't use the space anyway. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. " . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys?" Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys?" My pre-teen grandsons would laugh and tell me about the ladies with their tits/boobs out. I'd tell them they are just boobs and don't ride close to the people, as they won't want to be disturbed. It would be their own fault though. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. " . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers? | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers? "I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground. | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
". I just fail to see how breasts can be offensive to anybody, men women or children. I understand that religious people could be offended but like I say, there offended by the life of Brian as well!, that kinda of negates there argument | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not strictly true. Being topless is not itself unlawful, it's only becomes an offence if it's likely to cause shock or outrage to persons nearby. right that's me off to tescos topless. I'll risk the police being involved
Lol the think the whole squad would come just to erm sort the situation out! "Then I'm definitely going topless in every shop lol. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
"He has a point though doesn't he? Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces? We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers? "Sid? | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces. "I don't see how people kissing is the same as naked breasts. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
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I just fail to see how breasts can be offensive to anybody, men women or children.
I understand that religious people could be offended but like I say, there offended by the life of Brian as well!, that kinda of negates there argument "I'm not offended by female breasts but I don't think it's appropriate to have them on display in public places. I'd ignore them myself, but I don't think it's appropriate. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
I don't see how people kissing is the same as naked breasts.
"The point at issue is whether we should not do certain things in public because some people are offended by them on religious grounds. Some people are offended by both on religious grounds. I take the view that a woman's freedom to wear what she likes is more important than other people's view that some styles of clothing are offensive to God. | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
I don't see how people kissing is the same as naked breasts.
The point at issue is whether we should not do certain things in public because some people are offended by them on religious grounds. Some people are offended by both on religious grounds.
I take the view that a woman's freedom to wear what she likes is more important than other people's view that some styles of clothing are offensive to God.
"I take the view that, regardless of religion, women and men should do what they know is acceptable. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces. "Do we have a norm of nakedness in general? I don't want topless men, usually sweaty, wandering around the supermarket. Not because of my religious beliefs but because it's icky. One of my posts explained the spaces available. Vast areas are away from the play park. Lots of people with no religion could, and do, think that should be a safe shared space. My objection is the pejorative way that people with religious faith/belief are spoken about, accused of being offended by everything by people apparently offended by their existence. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
I don't see how people kissing is the same as naked breasts.
The point at issue is whether we should not do certain things in public because some people are offended by them on religious grounds. Some people are offended by both on religious grounds.
I take the view that a woman's freedom to wear what she likes is more important than other people's view that some styles of clothing are offensive to God.
I take the view that, regardless of religion, women and men should do what they know is acceptable.
"Acceptability is socially defined and changes all the time. A hundred years ago it wasn't acceptable for women to wear trousers. Anyway there are spaces in London where is acceptable for women to sun bathe top less. My point is merely that the fact that a minority of religious people might not like it is irrelevant. | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence. "If you are a criminal lawyer then you would realise that nothing, repeat nothing is certain in law. To be guilty of an offence it must be lewd, obscene or disgusting to such an extent as to outrage minimum standards of public decency as judged by the jury (or other tribunal of fact) in contemporary society | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. " I need to see for myself before making judgment. Does it have a postcode? | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
Do we have a norm of nakedness in general? I don't want topless men, usually sweaty, wandering around the supermarket. Not because of my religious beliefs but because it's icky.
One of my posts explained the spaces available. Vast areas are away from the play park. Lots of people with no religion could, and do, think that should be a safe shared space.
My objection is the pejorative way that people with religious faith/belief are spoken about, accused of being offended by everything by people apparently offended by their existence.
"Most parks and so on don't allow top less sunbathing, so I can't really see a problem with having a few spaces where it is allowed. I have no problem with people having religious beliefs, but what I am strongly against is the idea that said beliefs should inform public policy.. If there's a general social consensus regarding the appropriateness or otherwise of various forms of undress, fine. What I can't accept is someone claiming greater validity for their opinion because it derives from their religion rather than someone's whose opinion is not based on a religion. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
Do we have a norm of nakedness in general? I don't want topless men, usually sweaty, wandering around the supermarket. Not because of my religious beliefs but because it's icky.
One of my posts explained the spaces available. Vast areas are away from the play park. Lots of people with no religion could, and do, think that should be a safe shared space.
My objection is the pejorative way that people with religious faith/belief are spoken about, accused of being offended by everything by people apparently offended by their existence.
Most parks and so on don't allow top less sunbathing, so I can't really see a problem with having a few spaces where it is allowed.
I have no problem with people having religious beliefs, but what I am strongly against is the idea that said beliefs should inform public policy..
If there's a general social consensus regarding the appropriateness or otherwise of various forms of undress, fine. What I can't accept is someone claiming greater validity for their opinion because it derives from their religion rather than someone's whose opinion is not based on a religion.
"I used religion only because of the make up of the area. If I'd said grannies I'd mean the same thing. It's common land, well council owned. The location is close to the play park, most have to walk that way to get to the play park. The rest of the land is away from that, benefits from just as much sunshine and there is even a pretty area that is secluded. Why should the children of those who would be offended lose use of the play park to avoid these people. If I'd posted about a man's penis on show near the play park would you all be offering the same defense? | |||
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"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
Do we have a norm of nakedness in general? I don't want topless men, usually sweaty, wandering around the supermarket. Not because of my religious beliefs but because it's icky.
One of my posts explained the spaces available. Vast areas are away from the play park. Lots of people with no religion could, and do, think that should be a safe shared space.
My objection is the pejorative way that people with religious faith/belief are spoken about, accused of being offended by everything by people apparently offended by their existence.
Most parks and so on don't allow top less sunbathing, so I can't really see a problem with having a few spaces where it is allowed.
I have no problem with people having religious beliefs, but what I am strongly against is the idea that said beliefs should inform public policy..
If there's a general social consensus regarding the appropriateness or otherwise of various forms of undress, fine. What I can't accept is someone claiming greater validity for their opinion because it derives from their religion rather than someone's whose opinion is not based on a religion.
I used religion only because of the make up of the area. If I'd said grannies I'd mean the same thing.
It's common land, well council owned. The location is close to the play park, most have to walk that way to get to the play park. The rest of the land is away from that, benefits from just as much sunshine and there is even a pretty area that is secluded.
Why should the children of those who would be offended lose use of the play park to avoid these people.
If I'd posted about a man's penis on show near the play park would you all be offering the same defense?
"Public Displays of genitals are generally against the law. Breasts are less clear cut, as discussed above. The public display of breasts is becoming less and less sexualised, which I happen to think is a good thing. If kids grow up with the idea that there's nothing prurient about breasts, it seems to me that can only be a good thing. If there were complaints in this particular area, I suspect steps would have been taken to stop it. If it has carried on for a while, it's probably because no one is particularly bothered about it. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
Do we have a norm of nakedness in general? I don't want topless men, usually sweaty, wandering around the supermarket. Not because of my religious beliefs but because it's icky.
One of my posts explained the spaces available. Vast areas are away from the play park. Lots of people with no religion could, and do, think that should be a safe shared space.
My objection is the pejorative way that people with religious faith/belief are spoken about, accused of being offended by everything by people apparently offended by their existence.
Most parks and so on don't allow top less sunbathing, so I can't really see a problem with having a few spaces where it is allowed.
I have no problem with people having religious beliefs, but what I am strongly against is the idea that said beliefs should inform public policy..
If there's a general social consensus regarding the appropriateness or otherwise of various forms of undress, fine. What I can't accept is someone claiming greater validity for their opinion because it derives from their religion rather than someone's whose opinion is not based on a religion.
I used religion only because of the make up of the area. If I'd said grannies I'd mean the same thing.
It's common land, well council owned. The location is close to the play park, most have to walk that way to get to the play park. The rest of the land is away from that, benefits from just as much sunshine and there is even a pretty area that is secluded.
Why should the children of those who would be offended lose use of the play park to avoid these people.
If I'd posted about a man's penis on show near the play park would you all be offering the same defense?
Public Displays of genitals are generally against the law. Breasts are less clear cut, as discussed above.
The public display of breasts is becoming less and less sexualised, which I happen to think is a good thing. If kids grow up with the idea that there's nothing prurient about breasts, it seems to me that can only be a good thing.
If there were complaints in this particular area, I suspect steps would have been taken to stop it. If it has carried on for a while, it's probably because no one is particularly bothered about it. "People are bothered but have bigger issues for police to tackle. | |||
"What about moving around topless? In your house is fine. Hanging out the washing, not sure. There's a large green space not that far from me. It is broken up by Victorian houses, an estate built in the '70s and there's a wooded, more secluded ares. One of the green areas is next to a busy road and by the play park. This area has become the spot for topless sunbathing, with people walking from their homes topless (and, in some cases, string thongs) to their chosen spot. I started the thread as I saw one such attired woman carrying a tray of tea cups and soft drinks to a small group of people sunbathing. I initially thought she was naked. . Were you offended? Surprised. A little concerned about the pre-teen boys circling on their bikes and how the identifiably religious might feel they can't use the space. It is highly unlikely anyone would complain. It's London. It will either be ignored and tolerated or spark something out of proportion. In that area it's likely to be the former but some will stop using the space. . Religious people are offended about everything so I'm not really bothered about there invisible friends. Why were you concerned about the "pre teen" boys? Thank you, I'm religious. I prefer for everyone to feel able to use public spaces, particularly when it's by the children's play park. The boys were circling and not paying attention to the traffic. It's a busy road. . Well there's a few of them that find "gays" offensive, should we stop letting them kiss in public in case they don't feel like they can use the park?. If we weren't such a bunch of religious prudes maybe the kids wouldn't be batting an eyelid at seeing a woman's knockers?
I've come to see that you and I are unlikely to ever find common ground.
He has a point though doesn't he?
Some religious people are offended by same sex displays of affection. Should we not allow that in public spaces?
We live in a secular society which means that those with particular religious beliefs don't get to say what is socially acceptable based on the tenets of their religions. . Inevitably that will mean they don't like some things that occur in public spaces.
Do we have a norm of nakedness in general? I don't want topless men, usually sweaty, wandering around the supermarket. Not because of my religious beliefs but because it's icky.
One of my posts explained the spaces available. Vast areas are away from the play park. Lots of people with no religion could, and do, think that should be a safe shared space.
My objection is the pejorative way that people with religious faith/belief are spoken about, accused of being offended by everything by people apparently offended by their existence.
Most parks and so on don't allow top less sunbathing, so I can't really see a problem with having a few spaces where it is allowed.
I have no problem with people having religious beliefs, but what I am strongly against is the idea that said beliefs should inform public policy..
If there's a general social consensus regarding the appropriateness or otherwise of various forms of undress, fine. What I can't accept is someone claiming greater validity for their opinion because it derives from their religion rather than someone's whose opinion is not based on a religion.
I used religion only because of the make up of the area. If I'd said grannies I'd mean the same thing.
It's common land, well council owned. The location is close to the play park, most have to walk that way to get to the play park. The rest of the land is away from that, benefits from just as much sunshine and there is even a pretty area that is secluded.
Why should the children of those who would be offended lose use of the play park to avoid these people.
If I'd posted about a man's penis on show near the play park would you all be offering the same defense?
Public Displays of genitals are generally against the law. Breasts are less clear cut, as discussed above.
The public display of breasts is becoming less and less sexualised, which I happen to think is a good thing. If kids grow up with the idea that there's nothing prurient about breasts, it seems to me that can only be a good thing.
If there were complaints in this particular area, I suspect steps would have been taken to stop it. If it has carried on for a while, it's probably because no one is particularly bothered about it.
People are bothered but have bigger issues for police to tackle. "They'd complain to the council surely? | |||
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"It's group think in reality, if you polled non religious people I reckon youd find the vast majority aren't offended by nakedness. If we listened to religious people we'd still be in the Spanish inquisition burning witches and putting chastity belts on our daughters, religious people never give up there beliefs, society just leaves them behind and crucially by "offending them". Quite a few of them are offended by abortion and rightly so as that's what there religion preachers!. However I don't believe we should hide abortion clinics. There just going to have to put up with being the offended minority!. My real worry is when they become the majority once again." You might find that although they aren't offended by it they don't want it outside their houses. | |||
"Law aside I think it’s generally acceptable to sunbathe tooless in the usual places where people gather to sunbathe. Beaches, parks etc. If you were going to the ice cream man or wandering about then I’d cover up and just take your top off when laying down again. This will avoid the benny hill scenario of women being chased at high speed by dirty old men.
Leaving the last bit aside, it's a norm to cover up to move around?"I’d say so, if there are a lot of families about. Only my opinion mind. It’s all about the location I suppose. If you were an adult only resort say then I wouldn’t see an issuer with parading round topless x | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence. "That’s assuming a pair of boobs is enough to cause outrage of a reasonable person, outrage is a strong word, also it would have to be proved that the person displaying their boobs knew it would cause outrage. Being a lawyer, pondering thru law books isn’t the same as applying the law as it’s happening. | |||
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"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless ". | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless . "i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though "I'd get you to rub the cream in | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in "you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge"Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys  | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge
Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys "maybe we need some help | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge
Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys
maybe we need some help "Yeah...you can watch to see how its done | |||
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"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge
Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys
maybe we need some help
Yeah...you can watch to see how its done "watch you get covered by a hung guy?x | |||
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"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge
Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys
maybe we need some help
Yeah...you can watch to see how its done
watch you get covered by a hung guy?x"Yep...watch and learn..the clean up | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge
Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys
maybe we need some help
Yeah...you can watch to see how its done
watch you get covered by a hung guy?x
Yep...watch and learn..the clean up "lick you clean x | |||
"What are the rules? " Has to be matched by bottomless - no white lines | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge
Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys
maybe we need some help
Yeah...you can watch to see how its done
watch you get covered by a hung guy?x
Yep...watch and learn..the clean up
lick you clean x"Good boy | |||
"first rule of sun bathing topless is never talk about sun bathing topless .
i wouldnt talk about id watch you do it though
I'd get you to rub the cream in
you know i do supply cream as well....free of charge
Hopefully lots of it!... you'll need it to cover these bad boys
maybe we need some help
Yeah...you can watch to see how its done
watch you get covered by a hung guy?x
Yep...watch and learn..the clean up
lick you clean x
Good boy "thank you maam x | |||
"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence.
That’s assuming a pair of boobs is enough to cause outrage of a reasonable person, outrage is a strong word, also it would have to be proved that the person displaying their boobs knew it would cause outrage. Being a lawyer, pondering thru law books isn’t the same as applying the law as it’s happening. "That's not the law. The act has to be lewd obscene or disgusting and must outrage minimum standards of public decency. No particular person has to be outraged. No intention to outrage public decency is necessary. | |||
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"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence.
That’s assuming a pair of boobs is enough to cause outrage of a reasonable person, outrage is a strong word, also it would have to be proved that the person displaying their boobs knew it would cause outrage. Being a lawyer, pondering thru law books isn’t the same as applying the law as it’s happening.
That's not the law. The act has to be lewd obscene or disgusting and must outrage minimum standards of public decency. No particular person has to be outraged.
No intention to outrage public decency is necessary. "The term “minimum standards of public decency” does not appear in the definition of the act. And I didn’t mention intent. I said the person with their boobs out has to know that her boobs would outrage public decency and that would have to be proven. Thats notvthe same as intending to outrage public decency. That’s how it is. There’s no point saying things that I havnt said or twisting my words to suit, it just makes you look foolish. | |||
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"What are the rules? *Lots* of sunblock. No bra. (Thank you Bananaman) Not on the high street. *not implying that you have large bussooms...... In private as well. Can get into a lot of trouble being topless in public. Unless you have male privilege that is
Not true, you only get in trouble for showing genitalia in public. In theory, women could freely wander about topless all day long.
They would probably be guilty of the common law offence of outraging public decency.
Nope, they wouldn’t. The very worst would be a section 5 public order, that’s if somebody complained to being harassed, alarmed or distressed by it and even then they apply the reasonable person test.
As a criminal lawyer, I beg to differ. If you outrage normally accepted standards of public decency you commit the offence. Thus a woman walking top less down Oxford Street would certainly be guilty of the offence.
That’s assuming a pair of boobs is enough to cause outrage of a reasonable person, outrage is a strong word, also it would have to be proved that the person displaying their boobs knew it would cause outrage. Being a lawyer, pondering thru law books isn’t the same as applying the law as it’s happening.
That's not the law. The act has to be lewd obscene or disgusting and must outrage minimum standards of public decency. No particular person has to be outraged.
No intention to outrage public decency is necessary.
The term “minimum standards of public decency” does not appear in the definition of the act.
And I didn’t mention intent. I said the person with their boobs out has to know that her boobs would outrage public decency and that would have to be proven. Thats notvthe same as intending to outrage public decency. That’s how it is. There’s no point saying things that I havnt said or twisting my words to suit, it just makes you look foolish. "It's a common law offence and the minimum standards point is taken from the case where it was defined. (Knuller v Dpp). The lack of intention point is based on the authority of a 1990 case involving a display of frozen fetuses. Any way, given that Leeds Andy has confirmed cps policy is to deal with it as a potential s5 offence, for practical purposes the point is moot. | |||
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