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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums. "
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By *good-being-bad OP Man
over a year ago
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"5 hours ish. Always have done since being a baby. I’m an early riser.
I feel pretty good on it though but I would love just once to have a long sleep in. "
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums. "
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew. |
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Last night I think five a half...
Our youngest was sick.
Most nights... Between seven and a half to eight.
Superman can sleep on washing line and doesn't seem to be phased how little sleep he gets.
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew."
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance. |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance. "
That would explain a lot |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
That would explain a lot "
If most employers had an ounce of respect for their employees productivity, they'd provide beds for people to nap at lunch time. Unfortunately, people like Margaret Thatcher helped promote a notion that sleeping less was cool, macho and showed how dedicated you were. Naturally she developed dementia. As did Ronald Reagan who also though sleep was for pussies. |
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I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting |
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"I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting "
It's both quality and quantity, your brain alternates between two sessions of NREM and REM sleep per night. If you get less sleep then you lose the benefits of whichever session you got less of. One of the sleep research centres has an open challenge for anyone who thinks their brain is not impaired by less than 8 hours sleep, to come and get hooked up to a scanner while they sleep. So far, nobody has passed their challenge. |
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"I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting
It's both quality and quantity, your brain alternates between two sessions of NREM and REM sleep per night. If you get less sleep then you lose the benefits of whichever session you got less of. One of the sleep research centres has an open challenge for anyone who thinks their brain is not impaired by less than 8 hours sleep, to come and get hooked up to a scanner while they sleep. So far, nobody has passed their challenge. "
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"I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting
It's both quality and quantity, your brain alternates between two sessions of NREM and REM sleep per night. If you get less sleep then you lose the benefits of whichever session you got less of. One of the sleep research centres has an open challenge for anyone who thinks their brain is not impaired by less than 8 hours sleep, to come and get hooked up to a scanner while they sleep. So far, nobody has passed their challenge. "
Please don't preach at me..
You obviously do not have cfs and therefore have no comprehension of how it affects me personally..
Im not really interested in sleep research centres and what they think either |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I usually wake up by 7 after falling asleep between midnight and 3am.
If I don't take my muscle relaxants I get about 4-5 hours, if I'm lucky. Even when I take them I can be awake by 5 am. |
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over a year ago
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I have a nap most days between 1.30 pm and 2.30 pm. On the days I've kept myself awake I get to bed by 11 and still struggle to sleep, without my medication.
I slept better when I took Paroxetine. |
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"I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting
It's both quality and quantity, your brain alternates between two sessions of NREM and REM sleep per night. If you get less sleep then you lose the benefits of whichever session you got less of. One of the sleep research centres has an open challenge for anyone who thinks their brain is not impaired by less than 8 hours sleep, to come and get hooked up to a scanner while they sleep. So far, nobody has passed their challenge.
Please don't preach at me..
You obviously do not have cfs and therefore have no comprehension of how it affects me personally..
Im not really interested in sleep research centres and what they think either "
Ok you don't care about science. Just don't present your opinions as facts and I won't call you out on it.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting
It's both quality and quantity, your brain alternates between two sessions of NREM and REM sleep per night. If you get less sleep then you lose the benefits of whichever session you got less of. One of the sleep research centres has an open challenge for anyone who thinks their brain is not impaired by less than 8 hours sleep, to come and get hooked up to a scanner while they sleep. So far, nobody has passed their challenge.
Please don't preach at me..
You obviously do not have cfs and therefore have no comprehension of how it affects me personally..
Im not really interested in sleep research centres and what they think either
Ok you don't care about science. Just don't present your opinions as facts and I won't call you out on it. "
I didnt present them as facts.. i presented a set of personal experiences  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting
It's both quality and quantity, your brain alternates between two sessions of NREM and REM sleep per night. If you get less sleep then you lose the benefits of whichever session you got less of. One of the sleep research centres has an open challenge for anyone who thinks their brain is not impaired by less than 8 hours sleep, to come and get hooked up to a scanner while they sleep. So far, nobody has passed their challenge.
Please don't preach at me..
You obviously do not have cfs and therefore have no comprehension of how it affects me personally..
Im not really interested in sleep research centres and what they think either
Ok you don't care about science. Just don't present your opinions as facts and I won't call you out on it.
I didnt present them as facts.. i presented a set of personal experiences "
And nowhere did i say 'in my opinion' either... |
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"I get about 5 on a good night, but it's usually between 4 and 5...the quantity of sleep makes no odds, its the quality of it that matters and its not good sound sleep..
Having chronic fatigue syndrome means its not a case of catching up with 'power naps' either..
I just keep going and going until it eventually renders me completely useless and unable to even get out of bed or even function normally.. its fking exhausting
It's both quality and quantity, your brain alternates between two sessions of NREM and REM sleep per night. If you get less sleep then you lose the benefits of whichever session you got less of. One of the sleep research centres has an open challenge for anyone who thinks their brain is not impaired by less than 8 hours sleep, to come and get hooked up to a scanner while they sleep. So far, nobody has passed their challenge.
Please don't preach at me..
You obviously do not have cfs and therefore have no comprehension of how it affects me personally..
Im not really interested in sleep research centres and what they think either
Ok you don't care about science. Just don't present your opinions as facts and I won't call you out on it.
I didnt present them as facts.. i presented a set of personal experiences
And nowhere did i say 'in my opinion' either... "
I'm not sure exactly what your point is as there are different ways to read your post. I thought you were saying that quantity of sleep doesn't matter (as a general rule) which would be false. Maybe you are saying it doesn't matter to you personally? A lack of 8 hours sleep is strongly linked to many health (physical and mental problems). We don't know which causes which but since you already said you have a health condition then we'd probably agree! |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance. "
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s. |
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I don’t get 8 often enough, and am usually doing well if I get 7. I’m usually quite late to bed, but if I wake up quite early I can’t usually get back to sleep.
I have an app on my watch/phone that monitors it. A good feature it has is a sleep charge indicator which is basically an average of the last three nights as a percentage of your sleep goal. Probably never going to get 8 hours a night, but even though it’s hardly surprising it’s quite interesting to notice feeling better or worse and that matching how high or low that figure gets.
And much like steps and Fitbit can be quite a good motivator for exercise, seeing that get below about 60% and noticing I’m pretty tired is a good motivator to try to get a few early nights to catch up. |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s."
And some people smoke 40 a day for 60 years without so much as a day off work. Doesn’t mean that smoking, as a general rule, isn’t bad for you. |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s."
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes... |
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I get 6 hours sleep, at a push 7, but it’s disturbed sleep (peri menopausal related i think) and my kids often wake me up through the night too.
I have no doubt that my lack of good quality sleep is one of the reasons i am a moody cowbag. |
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I averaged 3 hours per night for a long time. Was in the build up to my "episode"
I normally get a decent sleep now, but if I'm partying I can survive on a couple of hours as long as I get a rest day. |
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"I get 6 hours sleep, at a push 7, but it’s disturbed sleep (peri menopausal related i think) and my kids often wake me up through the night too.
I have no doubt that my lack of good quality sleep is one of the reasons i am a moody cowbag."
No, there’s loads of reasons for it 
*runs and hides* |
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"I get 6 hours sleep, at a push 7, but it’s disturbed sleep (peri menopausal related i think) and my kids often wake me up through the night too.
I have no doubt that my lack of good quality sleep is one of the reasons i am a moody cowbag."
My woofa wakes me through the night for the toilet as she's knocking on now. I mainly work evenings so I'm lucky enough to be able to go back to sleep |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’m like you, I wake up after about 6.5 hours no matter what.
I’ve slept for 8 hours before and it just makes me feel more tired not sure why!
But I think I work best on about 6 hours sleep! |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes..."
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks ! |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !"
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want. |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want. "
But as you are so annoying and cherry pick what you choose to respond to we are more likely to ignore your facts and go for the anecdotal theories... they are far more interesting imo |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want.
But as you are so annoying and cherry pick what you choose to respond to we are more likely to ignore your facts and go for the anecdotal theories... they are far more interesting imo"
It does fascinate me how people refuse to accept basic science. I just wonder if you prefer people with interesting anecdotes, to build planes for you to travel abroad, rather than engineers using science. |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want.
But as you are so annoying and cherry pick what you choose to respond to we are more likely to ignore your facts and go for the anecdotal theories... they are far more interesting imo
It does fascinate me how people refuse to accept basic science. I just wonder if you prefer people with interesting anecdotes, to build planes for you to travel abroad, rather than engineers using science. "
Are you a scientist then? |
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"I get 6 hours sleep, at a push 7, but it’s disturbed sleep (peri menopausal related i think) and my kids often wake me up through the night too.
I have no doubt that my lack of good quality sleep is one of the reasons i am a moody cowbag.
No, there’s loads of reasons for it
*runs and hides*"
you’re not wrong *gets out the big guns*  |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !"
Was it a glass eye?
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want.
But as you are so annoying and cherry pick what you choose to respond to we are more likely to ignore your facts and go for the anecdotal theories... they are far more interesting imo
It does fascinate me how people refuse to accept basic science. I just wonder if you prefer people with interesting anecdotes, to build planes for you to travel abroad, rather than engineers using science.
Are you a scientist then?"
The great thing about science is that it doesn't matter who makes the claim, because the truth of the claim exists independant of the claimant in a testable, repeatable fashion.
You can choose to believe in beta amyloid, glymphatic systems and cerebrospinal fluid or you can believe internet stories about grandad in chairs. It's totally up to you. It's not upsetting me if you want to go for the latter. I made a statement that is backed by hard science and it was labelled "total bollucks" by someone citing grandad in chair stories to counter. Believe whichever you want. |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want.
But as you are so annoying and cherry pick what you choose to respond to we are more likely to ignore your facts and go for the anecdotal theories... they are far more interesting imo
It does fascinate me how people refuse to accept basic science. I just wonder if you prefer people with interesting anecdotes, to build planes for you to travel abroad, rather than engineers using science.
Are you a scientist then?
The great thing about science is that it doesn't matter who makes the claim, because the truth of the claim exists independant of the claimant in a testable, repeatable fashion.
You can choose to believe in beta amyloid, glymphatic systems and cerebrospinal fluid or you can believe internet stories about grandad in chairs. It's totally up to you. It's not upsetting me if you want to go for the latter. I made a statement that is backed by hard science and it was labelled "total bollucks" by someone citing grandad in chair stories to counter. Believe whichever you want. "
So you're not a scientist..
You are just quoting from google or even worse, Wikipedia |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want.
But as you are so annoying and cherry pick what you choose to respond to we are more likely to ignore your facts and go for the anecdotal theories... they are far more interesting imo
It does fascinate me how people refuse to accept basic science. I just wonder if you prefer people with interesting anecdotes, to build planes for you to travel abroad, rather than engineers using science.
Are you a scientist then?
The great thing about science is that it doesn't matter who makes the claim, because the truth of the claim exists independant of the claimant in a testable, repeatable fashion.
You can choose to believe in beta amyloid, glymphatic systems and cerebrospinal fluid or you can believe internet stories about grandad in chairs. It's totally up to you. It's not upsetting me if you want to go for the latter. I made a statement that is backed by hard science and it was labelled "total bollucks" by someone citing grandad in chair stories to counter. Believe whichever you want.
So you're not a scientist..
You are just quoting from google or even worse, Wikipedia "
You'll believe whatever you want whether I tell you my academic qualifications or not
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Probably around 6 hours and that’s really broken. I can get to sleep ok, but wake repeatedly, sometimes I can get back to sleep pretty quickly, other times I can be awake for an hour or two |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want.
But as you are so annoying and cherry pick what you choose to respond to we are more likely to ignore your facts and go for the anecdotal theories... they are far more interesting imo
It does fascinate me how people refuse to accept basic science. I just wonder if you prefer people with interesting anecdotes, to build planes for you to travel abroad, rather than engineers using science.
Are you a scientist then?
The great thing about science is that it doesn't matter who makes the claim, because the truth of the claim exists independant of the claimant in a testable, repeatable fashion.
You can choose to believe in beta amyloid, glymphatic systems and cerebrospinal fluid or you can believe internet stories about grandad in chairs. It's totally up to you. It's not upsetting me if you want to go for the latter. I made a statement that is backed by hard science and it was labelled "total bollucks" by someone citing grandad in chair stories to counter. Believe whichever you want.
So you're not a scientist..
You are just quoting from google or even worse, Wikipedia "
To be fair, play the ball not the man.
If someone was on here arguing that there was a scientific consensus that smoking was bad for you, would you say the same? I don’t need to be a scientist to have a fairly good idea that smoking is bad for you.
Sure, we probably can all get by with less sleep than we should have, but like it or not there probably is scientific consensus that in the main, too much sleep deprivation over a prolonged time is likely to increase the chances of running into detrimental health issues. |
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To be fair, play the ball not the man.
If someone was on here arguing that there was a scientific consensus that smoking was bad for you, would you say the same? I don’t need to be a scientist to have a fairly good idea that smoking is bad for you.
Sure, we probably can all get by with less sleep than we should have, but like it or not there probably is scientific consensus that in the main, too much sleep deprivation over a prolonged time is likely to increase the chances of running into detrimental health issues."
Exactly that. I'm not saying everyone getting less than 8 hours will end up with dementia, but it's a biological fact there will be consequences. How severe depends on the individual. There is a myth that some people just need less sleep or that old people need less sleep. This is not true other than for a very tiny percentage of the population. You've got more chance of being born with male and female genitals than being one of the people who can sleep less than 8 hours with no negative side effects. Thatcher liked to boast she could, she ended up with dementia and set a terrible example for millions of people in the process. |
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To be fair, play the ball not the man.
If someone was on here arguing that there was a scientific consensus that smoking was bad for you, would you say the same? I don’t need to be a scientist to have a fairly good idea that smoking is bad for you.
Sure, we probably can all get by with less sleep than we should have, but like it or not there probably is scientific consensus that in the main, too much sleep deprivation over a prolonged time is likely to increase the chances of running into detrimental health issues.
Exactly that. I'm not saying everyone getting less than 8 hours will end up with dementia, but it's a biological fact there will be consequences. How severe depends on the individual. There is a myth that some people just need less sleep or that old people need less sleep. This is not true other than for a very tiny percentage of the population. You've got more chance of being born with male and female genitals than being one of the people who can sleep less than 8 hours with no negative side effects. Thatcher liked to boast she could, she ended up with dementia and set a terrible example for millions of people in the process. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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For past month according to my Fitbit and obviously me checking times I’m averaging about 1-2 hours sleep a day since my operation
Obviously this is crap and no good for my brain or my body but all I seem to sleep |
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To be fair, play the ball not the man.
If someone was on here arguing that there was a scientific consensus that smoking was bad for you, would you say the same? I don’t need to be a scientist to have a fairly good idea that smoking is bad for you.
Sure, we probably can all get by with less sleep than we should have, but like it or not there probably is scientific consensus that in the main, too much sleep deprivation over a prolonged time is likely to increase the chances of running into detrimental health issues.
Exactly that. I'm not saying everyone getting less than 8 hours will end up with dementia, but it's a biological fact there will be consequences. How severe depends on the individual. There is a myth that some people just need less sleep or that old people need less sleep. This is not true other than for a very tiny percentage of the population. You've got more chance of being born with male and female genitals than being one of the people who can sleep less than 8 hours with no negative side effects. Thatcher liked to boast she could, she ended up with dementia and set a terrible example for millions of people in the process.
Im finally getting sleepy "
I don’t blame you. I sarccy comment is always easier than conceding a point. 
That’s Internet forums 101 that is! |
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"Watching this thread with interest. 99% of the population need 8 hours, getting less is linked to all sorts of health problems that are rampant on fab forums.
That’s total bollocks, you need less sleep as you get older. My grandad survived on 3 hours sleep and had more energy than anyone I knew.
No it's a very clear view from the scientific community, specially people who study sleep. It's not that you can't physically get by on less sleep. But you're highly likely to develop a mental health problem, especially dementia and it impairs learning and cognitive performance.
He ran two businesses up until he passed away, well into his 80’s.
So what exactly is your claim then?
A build up of beta amyloid in the brain doesn't impair its function?
Or do you dispute the heightened ability of the glymphatic system to remove beta amyloid using cerebrospinal fluid during sleep?
It's just that I prefer science to anecdotes...
Yeah, I know, you’re like the right wing version of Dubious Oatcake.
My claim is that as you get older you need less sleep, you certainly don’t need 8 hours and people function perfectly well on a lot less. Facts don’t tell the whole story.
My grandad used to actually sleep in a chair for 3 hours a night with one eye open, explain that science geeks !
Your claim is wrong. My claims are based on hard science and yours are based on anecdotes about your grandad. People are free to believe whichever they want. "
My facts are based in concrete evidence. My grandad was the only bloke who looked busy when he was asleep. He’d often get up before he went to bed. His Favorite song was ‘I’ll sleep when I’m dead’ by Bon Jovi.
I think this makes for compelling evidence that you only need a few hours sleep as you get older.
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I dont sleep anywhere near 8 hours a night. Im lucky if i get 5 hours sleep and thats broken sleep too. I can usually go to sleep ok but then frequently wake up in the night due to pain, needing to wee etc. I often find it hard to go back to sleep and tend to read my Kindle for 30 mins and then im able to go sleep again. I seem to be used to the lack of sleep and feeling tired as iv been like this for over 30 years |
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My optimum is 9 hours 
