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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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There’s a news item being reported that a gang of rhino poachers have been mauled and eaten by a pride of lions in South Africa. All that remains were a skull, pelvic bone and three sets of shoes plus poaching equipment.
Part of me inwardly cheered. |
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"There’s a news item being reported that a gang of rhino poachers have been mauled and eaten by a pride of lions in South Africa. All that remains were a skull, pelvic bone and three sets of shoes plus poaching equipment.
Part of me inwardly cheered."
omg they didn't eat the winkle pickers  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know it’s bad but I felt really happy reading that too ... just imagining the lions looking at each other smirking, patting their full bellies and burping 
I did think about whoever of the poachers was the dessert course though  |
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"There’s a news item being reported that a gang of rhino poachers have been mauled and eaten by a pride of lions in South Africa. All that remains were a skull, pelvic bone and three sets of shoes plus poaching equipment.
Part of me inwardly cheered."
This type of news makes my face do this |
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Half intelligent ape gets eaten by lion doing what lions do and trying to be as fruitful as possible, yay.
Half intelligent ape kills rhino trying to be as fruitful as possible, boo.
I guess mother nature decided that 7.2 billon half intelligent apes could afford a few losses!.
Oh the humanity of it all  |
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"I reckon the rangers caught them poaching and threw them to the lions.
High powered rifle found, poachers and not a dead lion?
Well here’s to hoping.
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It will have been pitch black, lions stalk their prey silently until the last moment when they charge, the poachers had no chance to get a shot off and even if they did, the chances or hitting fast moving prey in pitch black is pretty much impossible. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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Oh well the answers are predictably pat aren't they? Ever wonder why these people are poaching in the first place and who the real people profiteering and creating a market for this are.
Bear in mind, that many of the people living on the outskirts of game parks are quite literally starving while they watch hoardes of wealthy tourists drive past on their way to fulfilling their "Out of Africa" fantasies. The "poachers" will often earn a pittance while the criminal gangs are earning a fortune and not too concerned with the resultant death toll (whether human or animal) after all it is them that are making a fortune on this. Meanwhile the family of said "poacher" is without another breadwinner and so they are forced to send another potential breadwinner to risk his life just for the sake of putting bread on the table -maybe worth thinking about a little deeper me thinks. |
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I think it's a real shame, poverty has forced people to try and support their families through illegal, abhorrent activities such as poaching. Now there's a child without a father. And a wife without a husband. Who will provide? I'll tell you now, if it was watch my family starve, or kill an elephant, it would be goodnight Dumbo. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon the rangers caught them poaching and threw them to the lions.
High powered rifle found, poachers and not a dead lion?
Well here’s to hoping.
It will have been pitch black, lions stalk their prey silently until the last moment when they charge, the poachers had no chance to get a shot off and even if they did, the chances or hitting fast moving prey in pitch black is pretty much impossible. "
Not sure they went rhino hunting in the pitch black, bit weird. And if they did they would have night vision gear. I’ve seen lions at Woburn. They don’t wait til it’s dark to have their lunch. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh well the answers are predictably pat aren't they? Ever wonder why these people are poaching in the first place and who the real people profiteering and creating a market for this are.
Bear in mind, that many of the people living on the outskirts of game parks are quite literally starving while they watch hoardes of wealthy tourists drive past on their way to fulfilling their "Out of Africa" fantasies. The "poachers" will often earn a pittance while the criminal gangs are earning a fortune and not too concerned with the resultant death toll (whether human or animal) after all it is them that are making a fortune on this. Meanwhile the family of said "poacher" is without another breadwinner and so they are forced to send another potential breadwinner to risk his life just for the sake of putting bread on the table -maybe worth thinking about a little deeper me thinks."
It’s always the poorest who pay the heaviest price. |
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"I think it's a real shame, poverty has forced people to try and support their families through illegal, abhorrent activities such as poaching. Now there's a child without a father. And a wife without a husband. Who will provide? I'll tell you now, if it was watch my family starve, or kill an elephant, it would be goodnight Dumbo."
.. They weren't starving, they just wanted a better life and this is the easiest and quickest way where they live.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Personally I'd kill the whole lot up the chain from the poachers, to the smugglers, to the dealers and to the buyers."
If there were no buyers there wouldn’t be a market and the rest of them would have to find other ways to make money. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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"How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley |
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley"
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Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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Some quotes and thoughts:
"Under international law, it is illegal to trade in rhino and parts of rhino (including the horn).
On the black market, rhino horn is now worth more per kilogram than gold or cocaine. It is said to fetch up to $65,000 per kg, which can equate to up to $500,000 per rhino horn."
do the people actually doing the killing get anything near this kind of mony per kg -I seriously doubt it?
"The Baka community, who live in the forests of Gabon, Congo and Cameroon
are perhaps as caught up as anyone. Baka are employed and killed on both
sides of the battle, a poacher one day may have no qualms about becoming a
ranger the next. It all depends who’s footing the bill.
But the recent escalation
in commercial poaching has brought more than just the death of a few
individuals, it has brought about the disintegration of an entire way of life.
The Baka were originally semi-nomadic subsistence hunters. The
majority have now settled in villages as pressure from logging and
infrastructure projects has impacted wildlife populations throughout
the Congo basin. It’s economics that have pushed the Baka to hunt
elephants. Elephants alive steal food and trample crops, whilst dead
their tusks are almost worth their weight in gold.
It’s ironic in a sense, and also understandably frustrating for the Baka,
that they used to revere the elephant and only started ‘poaching’
under pressure from French and German colonial rulers who had an
insatiable thirst for ivory. Now their orders are coming from criminal
syndicates and terrorist groups. It’s probably hard to tell the difference."
-hmmm not so simple is it?
Both of the above were taken from analysis articles on the poaching problem -as I said earlier, it's easy to be pat about ones response.
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley.
Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be"
It's not nature though is it, it's humans killing elephants with weapons to steal their tusks. |
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley.
Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be
It's not nature though is it, it's humans killing elephants with weapons to steal their tusks. "
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What's not natural about that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley.
Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be
It's not nature though is it, it's humans killing elephants with weapons to steal their tusks. .
What's not natural about that?"
That view is too stupid for me to answer, I'm not here to teach. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon the rangers caught them poaching and threw them to the lions.
High powered rifle found, poachers and not a dead lion?
Well here’s to hoping.
It will have been pitch black, lions stalk their prey silently until the last moment when they charge, the poachers had no chance to get a shot off and even if they did, the chances or hitting fast moving prey in pitch black is pretty much impossible.
Not sure they went rhino hunting in the pitch black, bit weird. And if they did they would have night vision gear. I’ve seen lions at Woburn. They don’t wait til it’s dark to have their lunch."
Are you for real? Night vision goggles, they’re not the SAS you know, they can barely eat never mind source night vision goggles. They always poach at night to avoid detection by the game keepers who are also armed. |
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley.
Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be
It's not nature though is it, it's humans killing elephants with weapons to steal their tusks. .
What's not natural about that?"
About what ?? |
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"There’s a news item being reported that a gang of rhino poachers have been mauled and eaten by a pride of lions in South Africa. All that remains were a skull, pelvic bone and three sets of shoes plus poaching equipment.
Part of me inwardly cheered."
You should watch Tales of the Serengheti on the BBC |
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley.
Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be
It's not nature though is it, it's humans killing elephants with weapons to steal their tusks. .
What's not natural about that?
That view is too stupid for me to answer, I'm not here to teach. "
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Ha clearly not |
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley.
Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be
It's not nature though is it, it's humans killing elephants with weapons to steal their tusks. .
What's not natural about that?
That view is too stupid for me to answer, I'm not here to teach. "
I still don't know what he's on about  |
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"There’s a news item being reported that a gang of rhino poachers have been mauled and eaten by a pride of lions in South Africa. All that remains were a skull, pelvic bone and three sets of shoes plus poaching equipment.
Part of me inwardly cheered."
We're outwardly cheering. Scum like that deserve what they get. |
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""How do we save the elephant? It’s simple: eat them
People would then start ranching elephants instead of poaching them — and you could feed half a million people with the elephant meat currently going to waste" -Aidan Hartley.
Why do you want to save it?.
Stop interfering in nature and just let it be
It's not nature though is it, it's humans killing elephants with weapons to steal their tusks. .
What's not natural about that?
That view is too stupid for me to answer, I'm not here to teach. I still don't know what he's on about "
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Which bit are you not understanding? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon the rangers caught them poaching and threw them to the lions.
High powered rifle found, poachers and not a dead lion?
Well here’s to hoping.
It will have been pitch black, lions stalk their prey silently until the last moment when they charge, the poachers had no chance to get a shot off and even if they did, the chances or hitting fast moving prey in pitch black is pretty much impossible.
Not sure they went rhino hunting in the pitch black, bit weird. And if they did they would have night vision gear. I’ve seen lions at Woburn. They don’t wait til it’s dark to have their lunch.
Are you for real? Night vision goggles, they’re not the SAS you know, they can barely eat never mind source night vision goggles. They always poach at night to avoid detection by the game keepers who are also armed. "
Perfectly for real.
Are you?
Do you really think I’m being serious! |
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What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
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I’m glad you said ‘almost’ because I simply mentioned ‘balance’. |
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"I think it's a real shame, poverty has forced people to try and support their families through illegal, abhorrent activities such as poaching. Now there's a child without a father. And a wife without a husband. Who will provide? I'll tell you now, if it was watch my family starve, or kill an elephant, it would be goodnight Dumbo... They weren't starving, they just wanted a better life and this is the easiest and quickest way where they live.
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Exactly, and even if they were starving it doesn’t make it ok. Is it ok for drug dealers to sell drugs if they claim their family is “ starving” ?
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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"How about the poachers were v poor and desperate. Wow this thread is full of nasty shitty fools  "
And there I thought I was pissing in the wind -nice to know I am not the only one who sees this from a different angle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
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Says who, I’d happily see all child abusers fry in the electric chair. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon the rangers caught them poaching and threw them to the lions.
High powered rifle found, poachers and not a dead lion?
Well here’s to hoping.
It will have been pitch black, lions stalk their prey silently until the last moment when they charge, the poachers had no chance to get a shot off and even if they did, the chances or hitting fast moving prey in pitch black is pretty much impossible.
Not sure they went rhino hunting in the pitch black, bit weird. And if they did they would have night vision gear. I’ve seen lions at Woburn. They don’t wait til it’s dark to have their lunch.
Are you for real? Night vision goggles, they’re not the SAS you know, they can barely eat never mind source night vision goggles. They always poach at night to avoid detection by the game keepers who are also armed.
Perfectly for real.
Are you?
Do you really think I’m being serious!"
You can’t back track now, the old “oh I was only joking” trick eh |
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"I think it's a real shame, poverty has forced people to try and support their families through illegal, abhorrent activities such as poaching. Now there's a child without a father. And a wife without a husband. Who will provide? I'll tell you now, if it was watch my family starve, or kill an elephant, it would be goodnight Dumbo... They weren't starving, they just wanted a better life and this is the easiest and quickest way where they live.
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Should they be denied a better life? The developed world is quick to say "stop doing that" but how do we help them do something else? |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
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The OP said "part of me inwardly cheered" and that's how i feel. Part of me cheered and part of me felt sad and wondered what might have happened to these people to make them such moral degenerates.
The fact that our initiative emotions trend towards an eye for an eye, doesn't make it a moral foundation for anything. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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"IExactly, and even if they were starving it doesn’t make it ok. Is it ok for drug dealers to sell drugs if they claim their family is “ starving”
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Wow it is so simple in the first world isn't it. Lets preach to those earning less than $5 a day about where their morals should be when wild animals destroy all your crops, drought has destroyed the rest, you have no welfare system to bail you out and you have no resources to make money in any other way.
Are you so much better than them when forced into a choice between either robbing your neighbours or killing an animal for an outsider who is willing to pay you the equivalent of 6 months worth off income for doing so? "Of course not -I know it's wrong and I would never do that" -tell me another one mate. Drug dealers in the 1st world who have a benefits system and no threats from marauding wildlife are not even close as far as a comparison goes. |
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"I think it's a real shame, poverty has forced people to try and support their families through illegal, abhorrent activities such as poaching. Now there's a child without a father. And a wife without a husband. Who will provide? I'll tell you now, if it was watch my family starve, or kill an elephant, it would be goodnight Dumbo... They weren't starving, they just wanted a better life and this is the easiest and quickest way where they live.
Should they be denied a better life? The developed world is quick to say "stop doing that" but how do we help them do something else?"
Employ them as game keepers, poachers turned gamekeepers make the best gamekeepers. Job done until the next load of poachers take their place. |
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"I reckon the rangers caught them poaching and threw them to the lions.
High powered rifle found, poachers and not a dead lion?
Well here’s to hoping.
It will have been pitch black, lions stalk their prey silently until the last moment when they charge, the poachers had no chance to get a shot off and even if they did, the chances or hitting fast moving prey in pitch black is pretty much impossible.
Not sure they went rhino hunting in the pitch black, bit weird. And if they did they would have night vision gear. I’ve seen lions at Woburn. They don’t wait til it’s dark to have their lunch.
Are you for real? Night vision goggles, they’re not the SAS you know, they can barely eat never mind source night vision goggles. They always poach at night to avoid detection by the game keepers who are also armed.
Perfectly for real.
Are you?
Do you really think I’m being serious!
You can’t back track now, the old “oh I was only joking” trick eh "
You feel silly cos you got drawn in.
They should have taken them to the Coliseum. I’m Spartacus. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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Employ them as game keepers, poachers turned gamekeepers make the best gamekeepers. Job done until the next load of poachers take their place."
Read my earlier post on the fine line between game keepers & poachers -it often boils down to who is either able to pay the better remunetration and continue doing so (game rangers don't keep there jobs when there are no poachers about) -many people in these area have worked both sides of that fence -often repeatedly. |
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"I think it's a real shame, poverty has forced people to try and support their families through illegal, abhorrent activities such as poaching. Now there's a child without a father. And a wife without a husband. Who will provide? I'll tell you now, if it was watch my family starve, or kill an elephant, it would be goodnight Dumbo... They weren't starving, they just wanted a better life and this is the easiest and quickest way where they live.
Should they be denied a better life? The developed world is quick to say "stop doing that" but how do we help them do something else?"
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I was just arguing this perception that they "were starving" with "starving children".
We don't know any of this is true, they could well have been earning the average wage in south Africa which is like 5k a year (prices are alot cheaper there) they could have been earning 20k a year, however if you get 10k for two nights work it's hard to turn that money down, especially as most south Africans don't moralise over big game like we do in the UK. |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
Says who, I’d happily see all child abusers fry in the electric chair. "
Me too , but we won’t see that happen .
Hence my post |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
The OP said "part of me inwardly cheered" and that's how i feel. Part of me cheered and part of me felt sad and wondered what might have happened to these people to make them such moral degenerates.
The fact that our initiative emotions trend towards an eye for an eye, doesn't make it a moral foundation for anything. "
Can you explain how the same people who would never say yes to the death penalty for heinous crimes , cheer and say good when poachers get killed by lions ?
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"IExactly, and even if they were starving it doesn’t make it ok. Is it ok for drug dealers to sell drugs if they claim their family is “ starving”
Wow it is so simple in the first world isn't it. Lets preach to those earning less than $5 a day about where their morals should be when wild animals destroy all your crops, drought has destroyed the rest, you have no welfare system to bail you out and you have no resources to make money in any other way.
Are you so much better than them when forced into a choice between either robbing your neighbours or killing an animal for an outsider who is willing to pay you the equivalent of 6 months worth off income for doing so? "Of course not -I know it's wrong and I would never do that" -tell me another one mate. Drug dealers in the 1st world who have a benefits system and no threats from marauding wildlife are not even close as far as a comparison goes."
We don’t know anything about the poachers, you’re assuming they're poor and do this out of desperation ( maybe this is the case). High powered rifles don’t come cheap. I agree “killing an animal for an outsider who is willing to pay you the equivalent of 6 months worth off income” is probably a no brainer. I’m just looking at it from a different angle, what if they were earning the average wage but do this cause the rewards are so much greater. Poaching is illegal, we can’t make exemptions just because of an individuals circumstances.The reason I compared them with drug dealers is that as you point out “Drug dealers in the 1st world who have a benefits system and no threats from marauding wildlife” yet they still take the risk. They do it cause the rewards are greater. I’m not trying to preach to anyone, people make their own decisions, but I won’t shed any tears for these people when things go wrong. |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
The OP said "part of me inwardly cheered" and that's how i feel. Part of me cheered and part of me felt sad and wondered what might have happened to these people to make them such moral degenerates.
The fact that our initiative emotions trend towards an eye for an eye, doesn't make it a moral foundation for anything.
Can you explain how the same people who would never say yes to the death penalty for heinous crimes , cheer and say good when poachers get killed by lions ?
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Easy, not agreeing with the death penalty is not the same as liking the people who would otherwise be killed by it. In simple terms, the lion did something it would be wrong for a human to do. |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
The OP said "part of me inwardly cheered" and that's how i feel. Part of me cheered and part of me felt sad and wondered what might have happened to these people to make them such moral degenerates.
The fact that our initiative emotions trend towards an eye for an eye, doesn't make it a moral foundation for anything.
Can you explain how the same people who would never say yes to the death penalty for heinous crimes , cheer and say good when poachers get killed by lions ?
Easy, not agreeing with the death penalty is not the same as liking the people who would otherwise be killed by it. In simple terms, the lion did something it would be wrong for a human to do. "
Ah I get it I think .
We would all like to see some kind of instant karma , but not if it’s administered by humans .
So if a child killer were to get hit by a pissed up seagull on his way to prison , and he fell and died we would all be cheering and saying he deserved it . But if a judge said he should be killed by lethal injection , we would be up in arms and going on about how we shouldn’t do that as we are better than that . Yep , makes sense now  |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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"We don’t know anything about the poachers, you’re assuming they're poor and do this out of desperation ( maybe this is the case). High powered rifles don’t come cheap. I agree “killing an animal for an outsider who is willing to pay you the equivalent of 6 months worth off income” is probably a no brainer. I’m just looking at it from a different angle, what if they were earning the average wage but do this cause the rewards are so much greater. Poaching is illegal, we can’t make exemptions just because of an individuals circumstances.The reason I compared them with drug dealers is that as you point out “Drug dealers in the 1st world who have a benefits system and no threats from marauding wildlife” yet they still take the risk. They do it cause the rewards are greater. I’m not trying to preach to anyone, people make their own decisions, but I won’t shed any tears for these people when things go wrong. "
If I were you -I would do a little reading around poaching -the vast majority of perpetrators are poor /often former game rangers (with guns), in war zones (again easy access to guns) or in areas where there are a large number of cheap stolen fire arms available (like South Africa) and are living in desperately poor areas (close to game parks/ nature reserves). The only people who are wealthy are those that do the actual smuggling and trading of the contraband -all of this info is readily available should you care to do a little google searching/ reading around the subject. |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
The OP said "part of me inwardly cheered" and that's how i feel. Part of me cheered and part of me felt sad and wondered what might have happened to these people to make them such moral degenerates.
The fact that our initiative emotions trend towards an eye for an eye, doesn't make it a moral foundation for anything.
Can you explain how the same people who would never say yes to the death penalty for heinous crimes , cheer and say good when poachers get killed by lions ?
Easy, not agreeing with the death penalty is not the same as liking the people who would otherwise be killed by it. In simple terms, the lion did something it would be wrong for a human to do.
Ah I get it I think .
We would all like to see some kind of instant karma , but not if it’s administered by humans .
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Exactly, we don't hold animals to moral standards. The problem with the death penalty is that sometimes the courts get it wrong. Animals never 'get it wrong' because they are running on instinct.
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So if a child killer were to get hit by a pissed up seagull on his way to prison , and he fell and died we would all be cheering and saying he deserved it . But if a judge said he should be killed by lethal injection , we would be up in arms and going on about how we shouldn’t do that as we are better than that . Yep , makes sense now "
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"Oh well the answers are predictably pat aren't they? Ever wonder why these people are poaching in the first place and who the real people profiteering and creating a market for this are.
Bear in mind, that many of the people living on the outskirts of game parks are quite literally starving while they watch hoardes of wealthy tourists drive past on their way to fulfilling their "Out of Africa" fantasies. The "poachers" will often earn a pittance while the criminal gangs are earning a fortune and not too concerned with the resultant death toll (whether human or animal) after all it is them that are making a fortune on this. Meanwhile the family of said "poacher" is without another breadwinner and so they are forced to send another potential breadwinner to risk his life just for the sake of putting bread on the table -maybe worth thinking about a little deeper me thinks."
So, you want to find the middlemen and feed those fuckers to the lions as well?
Yes people are hungry, but as you say they don't get huge amounts from it, I should imagine the ones that sell it to the various Asian countries do. But, how much money does a live tusk bearing animal bring into the area in its lifetime? They support tourism in the way of safaris, bringing money into the areas and feeding the locals.
In south East Asia, particularly the coral triangle, ex dynamite fishermen and shark finners are finding that they can make a good living by guiding for scuba divers so no longer participate in their previous distrutive methods. |
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"We don’t know anything about the poachers, you’re assuming they're poor and do this out of desperation ( maybe this is the case). High powered rifles don’t come cheap. I agree “killing an animal for an outsider who is willing to pay you the equivalent of 6 months worth off income” is probably a no brainer. I’m just looking at it from a different angle, what if they were earning the average wage but do this cause the rewards are so much greater. Poaching is illegal, we can’t make exemptions just because of an individuals circumstances.The reason I compared them with drug dealers is that as you point out “Drug dealers in the 1st world who have a benefits system and no threats from marauding wildlife” yet they still take the risk. They do it cause the rewards are greater. I’m not trying to preach to anyone, people make their own decisions, but I won’t shed any tears for these people when things go wrong.
If I were you -I would do a little reading around poaching -the vast majority of perpetrators are poor /often former game rangers (with guns), in war zones (again easy access to guns) or in areas where there are a large number of cheap stolen fire arms available (like South Africa) and are living in desperately poor areas (close to game parks/ nature reserves). The only people who are wealthy are those that do the actual smuggling and trading of the contraband -all of this info is readily available should you care to do a little google searching/ reading around the subject. "
It’s ok I’ll take your word for it. ??. The bottom line is they were breaking the law and they paid for it with their lives. I’m pretty sure that Kenton on Sea isn't a war zone but I could be wrong ??
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
The OP said "part of me inwardly cheered" and that's how i feel. Part of me cheered and part of me felt sad and wondered what might have happened to these people to make them such moral degenerates.
The fact that our initiative emotions trend towards an eye for an eye, doesn't make it a moral foundation for anything.
Can you explain how the same people who would never say yes to the death penalty for heinous crimes , cheer and say good when poachers get killed by lions ?
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it's pointless trying to explain in detail but a corrupt government & pigs may give you a clue.... |
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"IExactly, and even if they were starving it doesn’t make it ok. Is it ok for drug dealers to sell drugs if they claim their family is “ starving”
Wow it is so simple in the first world isn't it. Lets preach to those earning less than $5 a day about where their morals should be when wild animals destroy all your crops, drought has destroyed the rest, you have no welfare system to bail you out and you have no resources to make money in any other way.
Are you so much better than them when forced into a choice between either robbing your neighbours or killing an animal for an outsider who is willing to pay you the equivalent of 6 months worth off income for doing so? "Of course not -I know it's wrong and I would never do that" -tell me another one mate. Drug dealers in the 1st world who have a benefits system and no threats from marauding wildlife are not even close as far as a comparison goes.
We don’t know anything about the poachers, you’re assuming they're poor and do this out of desperation ( maybe this is the case). High powered rifles don’t come cheap. I agree “killing an animal for an outsider who is willing to pay you the equivalent of 6 months worth off income” is probably a no brainer. I’m just looking at it from a different angle, what if they were earning the average wage but do this cause the rewards are so much greater. Poaching is illegal, we can’t make exemptions just because of an individuals circumstances.The reason I compared them with drug dealers is that as you point out “Drug dealers in the 1st world who have a benefits system and no threats from marauding wildlife” yet they still take the risk. They do it cause the rewards are greater. I’m not trying to preach to anyone, people make their own decisions, but I won’t shed any tears for these people when things go wrong. "
It's a waste of time trying to tell the do-gooder brigade they always have an excuse ready for the perpetrators!
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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On a slightly differing tangent, a South African colleague of mine a few years ago, recounted this tale of his boss in S Africa.
The guy was driving towards Cape Town and on the main Highway a few miles before the city, he came upon a body lying in the road.
Knowing how this could be a Hijacking trap used by gangs, he took his 20 ton truck into the 6' high grass to one side of the road and drove through it for 100 yds or so before returning to the road. He thought it seemed a bit bumpy in the grassy area but put that down to the local terrain. As he left the area, he noticed the "body" rise up and run off!
Next day, Police turned up at his Company Yard. They'd traced his vehicle due to one of its Reg Plates coming off in the long grass; the "bumpy terrain" he'd endured was actually 3 hihackers lying in wait to pounce on unsuspecting drivers who stopped to deal with the "body".
Two were killed, the third seriously injured by his vehicle but Police took no action against him as they were involved in criminal activity. |
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"On a slightly differing tangent, a South African colleague of mine a few years ago, recounted this tale of his boss in S Africa.
The guy was driving towards Cape Town and on the main Highway a few miles before the city, he came upon a body lying in the road.
Knowing how this could be a Hijacking trap used by gangs, he took his 20 ton truck into the 6' high grass to one side of the road and drove through it for 100 yds or so before returning to the road. He thought it seemed a bit bumpy in the grassy area but put that down to the local terrain. As he left the area, he noticed the "body" rise up and run off!
Next day, Police turned up at his Company Yard. They'd traced his vehicle due to one of its Reg Plates coming off in the long grass; the "bumpy terrain" he'd endured was actually 3 hihackers lying in wait to pounce on unsuspecting drivers who stopped to deal with the "body".
Two were killed, the third seriously injured by his vehicle but Police took no action against him as they were involved in criminal activity."
I bet that made their day! |
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Poachers are indeed despicable people they kill beautiful wild animals I imagine to make money to feed their families, we are all cosy in our 4/5 bed homes with running water, gardens laid to lawn double garages and fiat unos, it's difficult for us to understand the needs of others, the lions didn't know any better either they were hungry and saw food, it's a dog eat dog world isn't it |
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As if the world wasn't already filled with irony. This did make me smile when I read it.
Having said that there are no doubt some greiving families including maybe children who have just lost a parent now on the flip side of things. I suppose we much remember some people have lost their life. Even if it was trying to make a living hunting and cruelly treating rare animals. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
the right frame of mind -London |
"I’m pretty sure that Kenton on Sea isn't a war zone but I could be wrong ??
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Never said it was - but it is in South Africa where there is ready access to cheap stolen firearms and suffers some of the highest gun related violence in the world |
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"Poachers are indeed despicable people they kill beautiful wild animals I imagine to make money to feed their families, we are all cosy in our 4/5 bed homes with running water, gardens laid to lawn double garages and fiat unos, it's difficult for us to understand the needs of others, the lions didn't know any better either they were hungry and saw food, it's a dog eat dog world isn't it "
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5 bedrooms!.
And a masterbatorium |
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"Poachers are indeed despicable people they kill beautiful wild animals I imagine to make money to feed their families, we are all cosy in our 4/5 bed homes with running water, gardens laid to lawn double garages and fiat unos, it's difficult for us to understand the needs of others, the lions didn't know any better either they were hungry and saw food, it's a dog eat dog world isn't it .
5 bedrooms!.
And a masterbatorium "
have you.......... Didn't he do well |
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"There’s a news item being reported that a gang of rhino poachers have been mauled and eaten by a pride of lions in South Africa. All that remains were a skull, pelvic bone and three sets of shoes plus poaching equipment.
Part of me inwardly cheered."
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Employ them as game keepers, poachers turned gamekeepers make the best gamekeepers. Job done until the next load of poachers take their place.
Read my earlier post on the fine line between game keepers & poachers -it often boils down to who is either able to pay the better remunetration and continue doing so (game rangers don't keep there jobs when there are no poachers about) -many people in these area have worked both sides of that fence -often repeatedly."
Yes I know, that’s why I said poachers turned game keepers make the best ones, it takes a poacher to catch a poacher. |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
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If proven beyond doubt, I have zero issue with the death penalty for murderers, rapists, human traffickers and child/animal abusers.
Coming from someone who is team lion all the way |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
If proven beyond doubt, I have zero issue with the death penalty for murderers, rapists, human traffickers and child/animal abusers.
Coming from someone who is team lion all the way "
I’m totally team lion too .
And I too am 100% for the death penalty for all heinous crimes as outlined by you . It just seems that will never happen , and it’s a bloody shame we can’t have a few prides of lions over here to administer their version of justice on these evil people . |
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"What staggers me is this .
Almost all posters have said how pleased they are that the poachers got killed by the lions .
Yet a child killer , that abuses the child , tortures it , and ultimately murders it shouldn’t get the death penalty because that’s not right in a civilized world ?
Crazy really .
If proven beyond doubt, I have zero issue with the death penalty for murderers, rapists, human traffickers and child/animal abusers.
Coming from someone who is team lion all the way
I’m totally team lion too .
And I too am 100% for the death penalty for all heinous crimes as outlined by you . It just seems that will never happen , and it’s a bloody shame we can’t have a few prides of lions over here to administer their version of justice on these evil people ."
I can imagine that would cause quite a few to get their knickers in a twist
But not sure I'd want to inflict such garbage on the lions, surely that's bordering on animal abuse. |
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