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"I'd like to know what people think of employees who are forced to share a hotel room by their employers whilst working away from home. Should every employee have the right to be able to retire to a place of privacy where he or she can make a phone call home without being overheard by a colleague, or sleep in a room where their co-worker's smelly socks or snoring won't keep them awake, or where someone can work late into the night without offending a room-sharing colleague. Or should the company's budget for a given project be the most important aspect of the project. Where is line drawn between the value of a 'human resource' who generates revenue for the company and the company's right to maximise it's profits by forcing colleagues to room share. Moreover, should an employee risk dismissal for refusing to share a room if they are completely uncomfortable with it?" I have never had to and if i had to i would refuse. if they are making me go away for work they can give me privacy afterwards | |||
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"i travel alot with work and always have to share a room, its the norm, and whats wrong with shareing" nothing if you get on with the work mate your sharing with but if it was someone i didnt like i wouldnt be happy with spanding the night in the same room as them | |||
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"I can't think of anything worse than having to share a room with a workmate Bad enough having to be in close proximity to some of them at work let alone having to share a private space with them " Good news, Ive just accepted a post to work alongside u, seems they are sending s away on a trip to hedonism...its all work orientated... but...I dont think ud be up for it...shame.... | |||
"i travel alot with work and always have to share a room, its the norm, and whats wrong with shareing nothing if you get on with the work mate your sharing with but if it was someone i didnt like i wouldnt be happy with spanding the night in the same room as them" understand that but hotels are getting expensive, espesialy in europe, so often you have no choice, and if you want the work then suck it up and get on with it. | |||
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"i travel alot with work and always have to share a room, its the norm, and whats wrong with shareing nothing if you get on with the work mate your sharing with but if it was someone i didnt like i wouldnt be happy with spanding the night in the same room as them understand that but hotels are getting expensive, espesialy in europe, so often you have no choice, and if you want the work then suck it up and get on with it." If a company puts in a quote for a job then part of the costs that should be factored in is if the staff to complete the job will be sourced locally or brought in from other areas. If it's the latter then the cost of putting those people in hotels has to be considered. If the company decides to bid low to get the work then it should not be at the expense of the comfort and privacy of the very people who will do the work, leaving the company's projected profit margin intact. Any company that bids for a job that low that they can't afford an extra £30/night for each of the workers who will do the actual work shouldn't be bidding for the work at all. | |||
it's not a problem for me I once shared a caravan with 11 guys in Glastonbury and that was a smelly one-  .. For a whole week- not a nice experience but well worth it to hear all the bands and the experience. | |||
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"I think it's a very common thing for employees to be sharing a room and has been the case at places I worked. In these days of austerity where the likes of Comedy Dave are asking people to be frugal and firms to be competitive it's understandable wouldn't you say?" No, I wouldn't. Especially if one is asked to share with a member of the opposite sex, or with someone you've never met before. Quoting austerity measures is a lame argument as even when times are tough some businesses are still thriving and if a company has secured a project then it should have done so as if there were no austerity measures. The people doing the actual work should be first and foremost when putting together a quote for work, as without them the work cannot be done. | |||
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"I'd like to know what people think of employees who are forced to share a hotel room by their employers whilst working away from home. Should every employee have the right to be able to retire to a place of privacy where he or she can make a phone call home without being overheard by a colleague, or sleep in a room where their co-worker's smelly socks or snoring won't keep them awake, or where someone can work late into the night without offending a room-sharing colleague." To f*****g right they should | |||
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"You have to be a total primadona if you expect to be paid, accommodation provided and then expect an individual room. Ask any guy in the 50’s 60’s or before and they would laugh their arse off. Wait till the troops out in Afghanistan want a private room, the firemen working nights etc. I know one thing and thats anyone who was so selfish working for me when costs have to be cut i would sack as you need team players to make a business work! "oh hes so masterful  | |||
"You have to be a total primadona if you expect to be paid, accommodation provided and then expect an individual room. Ask any guy in the 50’s 60’s or before and they would laugh their arse off. Wait till the troops out in Afghanistan want a private room, the firemen working nights etc. I know one thing and thats anyone who was so selfish working for me when costs have to be cut i would sack as you need team players to make a business work!
oh hes so masterful "Not really but its getting ridiculous what people expect from a job these days. I would rather the gaffer put 2 of us in a room than say he is having to let us go.  | |||
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"You have to be a total primadona if you expect to be paid, accommodation provided and then expect an individual room. Ask any guy in the 50’s 60’s or before and they would laugh their arse off. Wait till the troops out in Afghanistan want a private room, the firemen working nights etc. I know one thing and thats anyone who was so selfish working for me when costs have to be cut i would sack as you need team players to make a business work!
oh hes so masterful
Not really but its getting ridiculous what people expect from a job these days. I would rather the gaffer put 2 of us in a room than say he is having to let us go.
"have to agree on that to be honest it wouoldnt bother me to share a room unless it was someone i didnt like, i know we are adults and we have to get on and to be honest i do make an effort with everyone i work with but there are still some, deep down, i dont think i couldnt spend the night with without killing them at some point | |||
"I think it's a very common thing for employees to be sharing a room and has been the case at places I worked. In these days of austerity where the likes of Comedy Dave are asking people to be frugal and firms to be competitive it's understandable wouldn't you say? No, I wouldn't. Especially if one is asked to share with a member of the opposite sex, or with someone you've never met before. Quoting austerity measures is a lame argument as even when times are tough some businesses are still thriving and if a company has secured a project then it should have done so as if there were no austerity measures. The people doing the actual work should be first and foremost when putting together a quote for work, as without them the work cannot be done." It's not lame at all. Companies have to watch every penny spent and you denying what goes on in the world outside wont help at all. Your argument seems to be for the company to quote with added costs because you don't fancy sharing a room with someone. What happens if they don't get that tender? If you are that fussed about it and you feel the amount involved is so small, why not put your hand in your pocket and pay for a room? You don't get this kind of moaning from our lads in Afghanistan. | |||
"just be grateful you still have the job 1 million other would love it "That would be the 1m people QUALIFIED to do my job yes? | |||
"You don't get this kind of moaning from our lads in Afghanistan." LOL I work with soldiers and oh yes you do! The difference is they are more used to sharing than us pampered civvies. I travel a lot for my job but fortunately travel alone so this hasn't really come up. However I'd hate to share, mainly because I do my very best to arrange a meet wherever I go. That would be a tad embarrassing if I was sharing.  | |||
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"It's not lame at all. Companies have to watch every penny spent and you denying what goes on in the world outside wont help at all. Your argument seems to be for the company to quote with added costs because you don't fancy sharing a room with someone. What happens if they don't get that tender? If you are that fussed about it and you feel the amount involved is so small, why not put your hand in your pocket and pay for a room? You don't get this kind of moaning from our lads in Afghanistan." There is a price for everything in this world and if a company cannot meet those costs then it is operating under a false economy. A worker has the RIGHT to privacy away from his work colleagues, and, even though the Working Time Directive does protect the worker from forced room sharing to a degree, there are still companies out there who will dismiss employees who refuse to sign the WTD. It is very much all the company's way at the expense of the employee. Quoting low when bidding for a job has the add on effect of driving the industry price down for a specific type of work, as I've seen happen in the Telecoms industry - but it's the worker who ends up with the lower wages, whilst the company's profits remain unchanged. As for Afghanistan, that is a completely different argument altogether as it is ingrained in squaddies that they share a dorm with men who they may have to rely on one day to save their lives. | |||
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" You don't get this kind of moaning from our lads in Afghanistan." Dont you? Didnt you hear the complaints about a lack of helicopters? Or that rifles werent working? Or that families were having to buy body armour for their serving family members? You werent aware that the yanks call british troops 'the borrowers' cos they never have enough of the right kit? Aren't there any lassies in theater? Didn't you know that the raf dont share rooms? You can let your employment rights slide if you want too but if theres nothing in a contract, or in custom and practice then you dont have to do it And refering to blokes who worked in 50s n 60s they may laugh at not wanting to share a room but they probably also laughed about sex and race discrimination too. I doubt they laugh at legislation on asbestos though or regs to reduce accidents or forced overtime for no extra pay. | |||
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" You don't get this kind of moaning from our lads in Afghanistan. Dont you? Didnt you hear the complaints about a lack of helicopters? Or that rifles werent working? Or that families were having to buy body armour for their serving family members? You werent aware that the yanks call british troops 'the borrowers' cos they never have enough of the right kit? Aren't there any lassies in theater? Didn't you know that the raf dont share rooms? You can let your employment rights slide if you want too but if theres nothing in a contract, or in custom and practice then you dont have to do it And refering to blokes who worked in 50s n 60s they may laugh at not wanting to share a room but they probably also laughed about sex and race discrimination too. I doubt they laugh at legislation on asbestos though or regs to reduce accidents or forced overtime for no extra pay." George this thread is about Wishy having to share a room with somebody. What does that have to do with our lads and lasses in the Forces not having enough helicopters or their rifles not working? Or turning it back to the subject at hand do they all get their own tent in the desert? Amazing if they do. My point really is that at times you have to muck in and make compromises. | |||
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"I'd like to know what people think of employees who are forced to share a hotel room by their employers whilst working away from home. Should every employee have the right to be able to retire to a place of privacy where he or she can make a phone call home without being overheard by a colleague, or sleep in a room where their co-worker's smelly socks or snoring won't keep them awake, or where someone can work late into the night without offending a room-sharing colleague. Or should the company's budget for a given project be the most important aspect of the project. Where is line drawn between the value of a 'human resource' who generates revenue for the company and the company's right to maximise it's profits by forcing colleagues to room share. Moreover, should an employee risk dismissal for refusing to share a room if they are completely uncomfortable with it?" There are some of my work colleagues that I wouldn't sharing a room with
Being serious now, I think if you are working away from home then you should have your own room. It's not right of them to ask you to share. | |||
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"You can let your employment rights slide if you want too but if theres nothing in a contract, or in custom and practice then you dont have to do it" There is the rabbit hole though, if there's nothing in your contract that states specifically that you don't have to share the company can say it's custom and practice that you do have to. Even if you have never shared on other jobs for the same company all they have to prove is that other employees on other contracts DO share. Then they have custom and practice. | |||
"You can let your employment rights slide if you want too but if theres nothing in a contract, or in custom and practice then you dont have to do it There is the rabbit hole though, if there's nothing in your contract that states specifically that you don't have to share the company can say it's custom and practice that you do have to. Even if you have never shared on other jobs for the same company all they have to prove is that other employees on other contracts DO share. Then they have custom and practice." surely custom and practice has to have a history? How long have the company enforced this "rule" ? Have they any record of people reluctantly agreeing to it to avoid losing their jobs? | |||
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"You can let your employment rights slide if you want too but if theres nothing in a contract, or in custom and practice then you dont have to do it There is the rabbit hole though, if there's nothing in your contract that states specifically that you don't have to share the company can say it's custom and practice that you do have to. Even if you have never shared on other jobs for the same company all they have to prove is that other employees on other contracts DO share. Then they have custom and practice. surely custom and practice has to have a history? How long have the company enforced this "rule" ? Have they any record of people reluctantly agreeing to it to avoid losing their jobs? " The law states that for something to be considered a 'final straw' in compelling you to resign from your job, the forcing of hotel room sharing, although serious, isn't serious enough to warrant a 'final straw' position. | |||
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"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!!" hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.. | |||
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"When you join the forces you know what you are joining. I wouldn't mind betting that people don't get told they have to share rooms when they are inter_iewed for their jobs. " I wasn't given any hint during my inter_iewthat one day I may be asked to share a hotel room with a collegue... yes, you guessed it... I was 'told' I would have to share a hotel room with a MALE collegue even though I am FEMALE (I think lol). .....they wondered why I refused and kicked up a bit of a stink
I ended up paying a supplement to have my own room and stuck it straight on my expenses. | |||
"When you join the forces you know what you are joining. I wouldn't mind betting that people don't get told they have to share rooms when they are inter_iewed for their jobs. " Very true, had a job once where if I worked away I had to share, luckily it was shift work, so in the day I was in bed and the other guy would be working, and vice versa at night. I guess it all comes down to who your room-mate is. If you get on well and they dont have bad personal habits, or poor personal hygiene then it aint so bad, and in fact it could be a laugh, or you could be lumped with some complete hedge-pig who snores and it could be hell. | |||
"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!! hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.." Just pointing out, there's always someone worse off. | |||
"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!! hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.. Just pointing out, there's always someone worse off." Fair enough....tho it didn`t come across very well... Comparing ourselves to someone less fortunate is ok..by me s`well..Orphans who sleep on the steets of Calcutta....many more isn`t there.. | |||
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"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!! hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.. Just pointing out, there's always someone worse off." I've got guys currently in tents....... those that they make themselves from towels strung over an Army 'cot'. Sleeping in their clothes, not washing and not shaving because they can't afford to waste their water. Thats of course if they actually get some sleep. I have drivers who are sleeping in their cabs whilst waiting for mines to be detected so they can safely get supplies to those soldierss who are spending their days and nights right in the centre of the war zone. So... I agree...... if you have to share, be thankful you actually have a proper bed and a roof over your heads. Our armed forces in Theatre, especially those out on the front lines would be grateful for a 'real' bed and a roof. Yes I know that if you sign up you understand what you are getting into, but it really sticks in my throats that someone can even say about knowing what they are getting into after the outpouring of love and understanding for rememberance day. I say.... be thankful you have a job, a bed, a roof and a hot meal. There are many, including the homeless and the armed services, who would gladly have what you have and share, without the whinging. | |||
"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!! hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.. Just pointing out, there's always someone worse off. Fair enough....tho it didn`t come across very well... Comparing ourselves to someone less fortunate is ok..by me s`well..Orphans who sleep on the steets of Calcutta....many more isn`t there.." All those who have just lost their homes in the Turkish earthquake. | |||
"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!! hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.. Just pointing out, there's always someone worse off. Fair enough....tho it didn`t come across very well... Comparing ourselves to someone less fortunate is ok..by me s`well..Orphans who sleep on the steets of Calcutta....many more isn`t there.. All those who have just lost their homes in the Turkish earthquake." Refugees all over the world. | |||
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"Well said Maddy. Puts it in a bit of perspective." Yep, well said. But I still would refuse to sleep in the same room as a male collegue... I wouldn't be comfortable and for sure my OH will be fuming understandably. In the past I have spent a few nights in a mixed billet at Catterick barracks and not batted an eyelid because it was military and you do expect these things to happen. | |||
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"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!! hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.. Just pointing out, there's always someone worse off. I've got guys currently in tents....... those that they make themselves from towels strung over an Army 'cot'. Sleeping in their clothes, not washing and not shaving because they can't afford to waste their water. Thats of course if they actually get some sleep. I have drivers who are sleeping in their cabs whilst waiting for mines to be detected so they can safely get supplies to those soldierss who are spending their days and nights right in the centre of the war zone. So... I agree...... if you have to share, be thankful you actually have a proper bed and a roof over your heads. Our armed forces in Theatre, especially those out on the front lines would be grateful for a 'real' bed and a roof. Yes I know that if you sign up you understand what you are getting into, but it really sticks in my throats that someone can even say about knowing what they are getting into after the outpouring of love and understanding for rememberance day. I say.... be thankful you have a job, a bed, a roof and a hot meal. There are many, including the homeless and the armed services, who would gladly have what you have and share, without the whinging." I can with all things considered say....those serving ...volunteered...my thoughts are with them, but I refuse to see them as victims... I come from a service family...3 of us have seen action..so what ??.. It has no bearing on how I _iew Remembrance Day...ta very much... Wanting and expecting abit of dignity in the workplace..enshrines the values people fought hard for.. I dare s`pose some will advocate...jumping into the gutter...as a sign of solidarity...I could go on ...but can`t be arsed...it ridiculous.. | |||
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"Try sharing with 20 blokes sometimes "I'd give it a go | |||
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"In this day and age where so many businesses are going to the wall its pretty pathetic to wine about having to share a room with a work colleague. So may are loosing jobs, pensions and some even taking a pay cut to keep a job to complain about having to share a room is self-centered as I see it. " You're missing the point entirely. If a company has a contract employing 90 people with an annual turnover of £10.5m then it's harldy struggling. | |||
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"I've always had to share and with guys!! Female in male industry they do it to make me feel uncomfy- well my rules are- boots to be hung out window - cant stand the smell of wet steel toed boots.. And hands off- if I have to share with new person I always ask to speak to partner/wife and ask their permission- I don't want my college having a problem because he has to share with a woman- one woman said she was unhappy with it so we tossed a coin as to who slept in the van- I lost but got access to room to shower. Respect comes in many forms and the next time I had to share with him his mrs rang me and said she was happy for us to share the room- but after 4 hours of his snoring I went to the van for some sleep it's not a problem for me I once shared a caravan with 11 guys in Glastonbury and that was a smelly one- .. For a whole week- not a nice experience but well worth it to hear all the bands and the experience. "I have worked away all my life including working on the rigs and working on construction sites, I have worked for blue chip companies and one man bands,also had 2 companies of my own, and never once in 27 years in working away have I ever found a company that has forced a woman to share with a male colleague !!!!! I don't even think it's leagl in emeployment law !!! may be wrong there. If I were you I would check it oiut and have a word withy your employers. Unless you actually like it this way then thats cool for you.  | |||
"In this day and age where so many businesses are going to the wall its pretty pathetic to wine about having to share a room with a work colleague. So may are loosing jobs, pensions and some even taking a pay cut to keep a job to complain about having to share a room is self-centered as I see it. " I should be grateful fer being a couple of hundred quid out of pocket..? Run down and losing a stone and a half..? And missing every aspect of my personal life..? For 3 weeks slog...I would expect a thank you s`well..huh !!! And I should consider myself grateful and self centred in turns.. Thats wonderful...just wonderful... | |||
"In this day and age where so many businesses are going to the wall its pretty pathetic to wine about having to share a room with a work colleague. So may are loosing jobs, pensions and some even taking a pay cut to keep a job to complain about having to share a room is self-centered as I see it. You're missing the point entirely. If a company has a contract employing 90 people with an annual turnover of £10.5m then it's harldy struggling." But Wishy if we wish to remain competitive in the international business-type arena this type of p  igacy has to be curtailed.
Times are changing and businesses have to keep costs to an absolute minimum.
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"In this day and age where so many businesses are going to the wall its pretty pathetic to wine about having to share a room with a work colleague. So may are loosing jobs, pensions and some even taking a pay cut to keep a job to complain about having to share a room is self-centered as I see it. You're missing the point entirely. If a company has a contract employing 90 people with an annual turnover of £10.5m then it's harldy struggling." Turnover is not profit though and the company may not be making any profit or very little. Maybe you are missing the point or didn't discuss or understand circumstances focusing purely on yourself and what you get out of it. | |||
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"I haven't read any of the posts - naughty I know! I do work away from home from time to time and have never been expected to share a room, I would refuse point blank. It's my time, who should I give up my privacy as well? No way would any employer be able to sack any one for wanting to have their own room. Z" .....You mean 'Should' and not 'Would' don't you? And Wishy wasn't sacked, he jumped ship and is/was suing his former employers for constructive dismissal. I respect his right to stand up for what he sees as his working rights, and he was/will be proved right or foolish to do so depending on the outcome.... But he did have the courage of his convictions and stuck to his principals....which many don't have. | |||
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"I haven't read any of the posts - naughty I know! I do work away from home from time to time and have never been expected to share a room, I would refuse point blank. It's my time, who should I give up my privacy as well? No way would any employer be able to sack any one for wanting to have their own room. Z .....You mean 'Should' and not 'Would' don't you? And Wishy wasn't sacked, he jumped ship and is/was suing his former employers for constructive dismissal. I respect his right to stand up for what he sees as his working rights, and he was/will be proved right or foolish to do so depending on the outcome.... But he did have the courage of his convictions and stuck to hi Should have been why not who! I'd also stick up for my right to privacy and if someone has lost their job for not wanting to share a hotel room, I'd back them to the hilt. Zs principals....which many don't have." | |||
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"I'd like to know what people think of employees who are forced to share a hotel room by their employers whilst working away from home. Should every employee have the right to be able to retire to a place of privacy where he or she can make a phone call home without being overheard by a colleague, or sleep in a room where their co-worker's smelly socks or snoring won't keep them awake, or where someone can work late into the night without offending a room-sharing colleague. Or should the company's budget for a given project be the most important aspect of the project. Where is line drawn between the value of a 'human resource' who generates revenue for the company and the company's right to maximise it's profits by forcing colleagues to room share. Moreover, should an employee risk dismissal for refusing to share a room if they are completely uncomfortable with it?" Just leave the company if your not happy | |||
"please excuse what will probably be a stupid question but i take it this is rooms with 2 beds in them?? I've only ever been put up in my own rooms the couple of occassions that is when i acctually had a job." A twin room with a male collegue is not an option. 30 male soldiers sharing a billet/dorm with 10 lady's in the TA.... a totally different story! I've experienced the TA bit... I will NEVER experience the male/female room share with a collegue... it's just not right for those (like myself) that find the thought uncomfortable  | |||
"I'd like to know what people think of employees who are forced to share a hotel room by their employers whilst working away from home. Should every employee have the right to be able to retire to a place of privacy where he or she can make a phone call home without being overheard by a colleague, or sleep in a room where their co-worker's smelly socks or snoring won't keep them awake, or where someone can work late into the night without offending a room-sharing colleague. Or should the company's budget for a given project be the most important aspect of the project. Where is line drawn between the value of a 'human resource' who generates revenue for the company and the company's right to maximise it's profits by forcing colleagues to room share. Moreover, should an employee risk dismissal for refusing to share a room if they are completely uncomfortable with it? Just leave the company if your not happy "He did...... | |||
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"I respect his right to stand up for what he sees as his working rights, and he was/will be proved right or foolish to do so depending on the outcome.... But he did have the courage of his convictions and stuck to his principals....which many don't have." Reading between the lines, it may already have been decided, if not in judgement then in expected outcome! To post this if the case is still going on would be just a little unwise to say the least. Also, trying to garner support at this late stage would suggest to me that the op is about trying to make themselves feel better. I hope not, life can be pretty tough when there is a shortage of money, but at least Wishy is doing something positive about his postition and I (we) wish him well with the Alternative Energy course he is on. | |||
"Well..... How about sleeping on the ground, whatever the weather, with a flimsy nylon sheet above you between you and the elements, in sometimes searing heat or snow and ice, surrounded by people who are actively try to kill you? if that sounds like fun, just sign up to the Army, I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year!! hahaha...ah jeez !!... MOD ..hair shirts.. Just pointing out, there's always someone worse off. I've got guys currently in tents....... those that they make themselves from towels strung over an Army 'cot'. Sleeping in their clothes, not washing and not shaving because they can't afford to waste their water. Thats of course if they actually get some sleep. I have drivers who are sleeping in their cabs whilst waiting for mines to be detected so they can safely get supplies to those soldierss who are spending their days and nights right in the centre of the war zone. So... I agree...... if you have to share, be thankful you actually have a proper bed and a roof over your heads. Our armed forces in Theatre, especially those out on the front lines would be grateful for a 'real' bed and a roof. Yes I know that if you sign up you understand what you are getting into, but it really sticks in my throats that someone can even say about knowing what they are getting into after the outpouring of love and understanding for rememberance day. I say.... be thankful you have a job, a bed, a roof and a hot meal. There are many, including the homeless and the armed services, who would gladly have what you have and share, without the whinging. I can with all things considered say....those serving ...volunteered...my thoughts are with them, but I refuse to see them as victims... I come from a service family...3 of us have seen action..so what ??.. It has no bearing on how I _iew Remembrance Day...ta very much... Wanting and expecting abit of dignity in the workplace..enshrines the values people fought hard for.. I dare s`pose some will advocate...jumping into the gutter...as a sign of solidarity...I could go on ...but can`t be arsed...it ridiculous.. " Alright dude, calm down, I only tried to point out that there are others worse off. I'm in complete agreement that soldiers fought for the freedoms we enjoy, such as the right to be treated with dignity and respect when working, and that exercising that right is perfectly acceptable too. I also take on board the point that "they know what they are signing up for", but, do they really? As someone on the list to go to Afgan next year, I pay particular attention to what is going on out there, I watch lots of documentaries about the "frontline", I see the conditions..... however, when you speak to someone who fought an average of four engagements a day for two weeks (one engagement lasted for 12 hours) defending a small FOB that he was manning, when they were down to their last 50 rounds per man, (when they were getting through about 300 a time during firefights) when for a week they were restricted to 1 litre of water a day in daytime temps of 40 degrees plus, when the OC came around telling all the guys to write their last letters as "we might not make it out"..... can you really say "you knew what you were getting into?". I have spoken to men who were there, and they never expected that! In truth, no matter how well you prepare, the reality will always be worse... sleeping rough for weeks at a stretch sounds like "boys own" camping, a bit of fun.... it aint. One last point. having done it once, you would think that they had "done their bit", but many are going back for two, or even more "turns at the wheel"... and this time they know what to expect... and they still do it. Sorry to bang on about it, I've lost friends, so certain comments tend to make me a bit "gobby" about this subject, I'll put the soapbox away now. | |||
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"I didn't make this about the army. What I, and a few others were trying to do, was say that if a company choses to make it's employee's share......... is it really so bad? You still have a bed A roof over your head Heating Lighting Food Are we, as a nation, so selfish that we can't see that we have everything in this country......... and there are millions with nothing who would love to sleep in a real bed, have food, have warmth, have a roof. I don't agree with the forcement of different sexes sharing, can't see the partners agreeing, but I do agree with saving money if each person (same sex) has their own bed. I, myself, will be sharing a dormitory with 30 others for 6 months next year..... in Afghanistan. I ain't gonna be moaning." If you choose the share a dormitory - that's your choice - when I work away from home I want privacy and the opportunity to use the toilet without a stranger being able to listen to me, sleep without having to listen to a stranger snoring and farting - I have work colleagues who i like and respect in the main - I don't want to share a room with them! Z | |||
"I didn't make this about the army. What I, and a few others were trying to do, was say that if a company choses to make it's employee's share......... is it really so bad? You still have a bed A roof over your head Heating Lighting Food Are we, as a nation, so selfish that we can't see that we have everything in this country......... and there are millions with nothing who would love to sleep in a real bed, have food, have warmth, have a roof. I don't agree with the forcement of different sexes sharing, can't see the partners agreeing, but I do agree with saving money if each person (same sex) has their own bed. I, myself, will be sharing a dormitory with 30 others for 6 months next year..... in Afghanistan. I ain't gonna be moaning. If you choose the share a dormitory - that's your choice - when I work away from home I want privacy and the opportunity to use the toilet without a stranger being able to listen to me, sleep without having to listen to a stranger snoring and farting - I have work colleagues who i like and respect in the main - I don't want to share a room with them! Z" Yes..... it's my choice and one I will gladly undertake. Lets look at this another way. If a small/medium company has say 10 people in hotels 5 nights a week, 51 weeks of the year at a cost of approximately £65 per night including breakfast. Thats £165750 per year. The company is forced to cut costs. Do they look at halving their hotel costs or losing 4 staff who are on £20k per year or 2 staff on £40k per year and are within the 10 who use the hotels the most? I know where I'd cut costs. | |||
"I didn't make this about the army. What I, and a few others were trying to do, was say that if a company choses to make it's employee's share......... is it really so bad? You still have a bed A roof over your head Heating Lighting Food Are we, as a nation, so selfish that we can't see that we have everything in this country......... and there are millions with nothing who would love to sleep in a real bed, have food, have warmth, have a roof. I don't agree with the forcement of different sexes sharing, can't see the partners agreeing, but I do agree with saving money if each person (same sex) has their own bed. I, myself, will be sharing a dormitory with 30 others for 6 months next year..... in Afghanistan. I ain't gonna be moaning. If you choose the share a dormitory - that's your choice - when I work away from home I want privacy and the opportunity to use the toilet without a stranger being able to listen to me, sleep without having to listen to a stranger snoring and farting - I have work colleagues who i like and respect in the main - I don't want to share a room with them! Z Yes..... it's my choice and one I will gladly undertake. Lets look at this another way. If a small/medium company has say 10 people in hotels 5 nights a week, 51 weeks of the year at a cost of approximately £65 per night including breakfast. Thats £165750 per year. The company is forced to cut costs. Do they look at halving their hotel costs or losing 4 staff who are on £20k per year or 2 staff on £40k per year and are within the 10 who use the hotels the most? I know where I'd cut costs." Fair enough, I still wouldn't share a room! I had to spend all last week away - Sunday to Friday so I gave up lots of my own time so I felt I was entitled to my privacy, I do like to fart in the mornings! I'm also away tomorrow night, once again will have my own room, it's only fair I think! Z | |||
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" I have worked away all my life including working on the rigs and working on construction sites, I have worked for blue chip companies and one man bands,also had 2 companies of my own, and never once in 27 years in working away have I ever found a company that has forced a woman to share with a male colleague !!!!! I don't even think it's leagl in emeployment law !!! may be wrong there. If I were you I would check it oiut and have a word withy your employers. Unless you actually like it this way then thats cool for you. "It's slightly different for me/ I'm self employed like the people I work with/ mostly and we are employed to do a job- the accomodation is provided and we have no choice about where when or who we share with most times not knowing where we are staying until the very last second. - most jobs in my industry come like that and to be honest there are only a few ladies doing my job and I have never actually worked with either of them in 13 years- we just have to share if we want the work. I do feel uncomfy some times but I'm sure my male colleagues do when they find out they have to share with a lady. | |||
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Pretty fookin interesting one time lol xx"Yeah but you can fit in the bottom of a wardrobe.... | |||
"We share while away and i have no probs with it. Would rather that than take a pay cut and i am away for up to 3 weeks. Some want it all though but think on if you have a room mate you have someone to wipe your arse for you. "I think that if your job requires you to be away on a regular basis and is part and parcel of your 'package' then to share may be a legitimate way to save the company money and stay in business - in my situation it isn't part of my job so when I am asked to stay away from home I expect privacy and a certain amount of 'luxury' - ie. my own bathroom and room service! Z | |||
"I never had a problem bunking up when I was on courses
Pretty fookin interesting one time lol xx
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"You have to laugh at this thread! Fucking swingers complaining about sharing a room with strangers! Come on you fuckers its a free room ok no sex but you buggers shouldn't be shy! Im taking notes and not meeting any of you lot who are shy to share as you cant be "real swingers" "I'm not shy, just like my privacy! I bring in a lot of money for my company and if they want me to spend time away from my home then they can pay for it and make sure it's comfortable! Swinging is a separate thing for me to work! Z | |||
"You have to laugh at this thread! Fucking swingers complaining about sharing a room with strangers! Come on you fuckers its a free room ok no sex but you buggers shouldn't be shy! Im taking notes and not meeting any of you lot who are shy to share as you cant be "real swingers"
I'm not shy, just like my privacy! I bring in a lot of money for my company and if they want me to spend time away from my home then they can pay for it and make sure it's comfortable! Swinging is a separate thing for me to work! Z "So you don't suck your clients cock! Im not doing work with your lot then
Well i bring in millions for work and dont mind sharing if necessary. | |||
"You have to laugh at this thread! Fucking swingers complaining about sharing a room with strangers! Come on you fuckers its a free room ok no sex but you buggers shouldn't be shy! Im taking notes and not meeting any of you lot who are shy to share as you cant be "real swingers"
I'm not shy, just like my privacy! I bring in a lot of money for my company and if they want me to spend time away from my home then they can pay for it and make sure it's comfortable! Swinging is a separate thing for me to work! Z
So you don't suck your clients cock! Im not doing work with your lot then
Well i bring in millions for work and dont mind sharing if necessary. "lol - no I won't suck a clients cock, why would I? - good for you. Z | |||
"I haven't read any of the posts - naughty I know! I do work away from home from time to time and have never been expected to share a room, I would refuse point blank. It's my time, who should I give up my privacy as well? No way would any employer be able to sack any one for wanting to have their own room. Z .....You mean 'Should' and not 'Would' don't you? And Wishy wasn't sacked, he jumped ship and is/was suing his former employers for constructive dismissal. I respect his right to stand up for what he sees as his working rights, and he was/will be proved right or foolish to do so depending on the outcome.... But he did have the courage of his convictions and stuck to his principals....which many don't have." To clarify a few things, I didn't post the circumstances of my case in the opening post as I was interested more in whether people felt that being forced to room share with a colleague was fundamentally wrong regardless of the circumstances of it. However, as specualtion regarding my case has been mentioned, I'll elaborate a little further but will have to be sparse with the full details. It's not a secret that I was paid to stay at home for 7 months last year because the job I was employed to do had been put on hold, and, being one of only 12 engineers in the country trained to do it, the company didn't want to lose me. That all changed in November last year when it was decided that my situation was intolerable by both myself and the company and I was sent back to work under a different line manager doing a job far benesth my skill level. It was compunded further by my new line manager telling me that he didn't want me on his team, that he was forced to find me something to do and that he'd get me out as soon as he could. My dealings with him on a daily basis were frought and full of personal abuse but he was clever enough never to be overheard and nothing was ever said in emails or anything in a remotely official capacity. Only via telephone conversations. It came to a head in April this year when I was told to report to a new area we were to begin working in and that I could no longer commute from either Newcastle if we were working in the north, or from my southern base if we were working in the south - I had to stay in a hotel local to where we were working. No problem, I'd stayed in hotels for the company before and that was fine. But.. I arrived on site at 7am on the Monday we were due to start, to be told I'd be sharing a hotel room with a 20y/o lad I'd never met before. I sleep naked and didn't have any nighttime attire with me, only the clothes and travel bag I usually take away. I refused to share and was immediately called into head office to be told that I either share a room or resign. I had the rest of the week to decide. I consulted a solicitor who said I had a case for constructive dismissal but that it could go either way. I decided to press ahead with a tribunal, which was held on Monday this week. The tribunal heard about all the abuse I'd suffered and the company denied it. The judges accepted my version of events and told the company that their needed to seriously look at the way they treat their employees - I'd won a moral victory. But I didn't get a legal victory. In the eyes of the law, when someone resigns due to what they consider to be a 'final straw', that final straw has to be serious and in my case it was decided that being forced to share a room with a stranger, although part of longer campaign of abuse and intimidataion, wasn't serious enough in it's own right to award me the case. I still believe that, even if I hadn't endured the abuse etc, that forcing colleagues to share a room is a fundamental break to their rights to privacy, but I concede that those employees who don't have a problem sharing accommodation should be able to continue to do so. I was never going to go back to the company I worked for so I wasn't looking to win my old job back, I wasn't even too concerned about the financial payout as it would have been relatively low anyway. What I wanted was to see my boss in court and see him told that he was wrong. And I got that. To award me the legal victory would have meant setting a precedent and that is something judges are very reluctant to do as it means a change in legislation will ensue, which in cases of forcing colleagues to share a hotel room, would have made it illegal for a company to do. I have retrained as an electrician and I'm more than happy with what I'm doing now, but I have started an ePetition at the No.10 website as I still believe employees should have the right to choose whether to share a room or not without being dismissed for not doing so. | |||
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"You have to laugh at this thread! Fucking swingers complaining about sharing a room with strangers! Come on you fuckers its a free room ok no sex but you buggers shouldn't be shy! Im taking notes and not meeting any of you lot who are shy to share as you cant be "real swingers"
I'm not shy, just like my privacy! I bring in a lot of money for my company and if they want me to spend time away from my home then they can pay for it and make sure it's comfortable! Swinging is a separate thing for me to work! Z
So you don't suck your clients cock! Im not doing work with your lot then
Well i bring in millions for work and dont mind sharing if necessary.
lol - no I won't suck a clients cock, why would I? - good for you. Z"Not even if it was a nice cock?? Saying that i wouldn't be interested in any sort of salami and the women in my industry are big muscley ladies or the ones met so far are | |||
"I haven't read any of the posts - naughty I know! I do work away from home from time to time and have never been expected to share a room, I would refuse point blank. It's my time, who should I give up my privacy as well? No way would any employer be able to sack any one for wanting to have their own room. Z .....You mean 'Should' and not 'Would' don't you? And Wishy wasn't sacked, he jumped ship and is/was suing his former employers for constructive dismissal. I respect his right to stand up for what he sees as his working rights, and he was/will be proved right or foolish to do so depending on the outcome.... But he did have the courage of his convictions and stuck to his principals....which many don't have. To clarify a few things, I didn't post the circumstances of my case in the opening post as I was interested more in whether people felt that being forced to room share with a colleague was fundamentally wrong regardless of the circumstances of it. However, as specualtion regarding my case has been mentioned, I'll elaborate a little further but will have to be sparse with the full details. It's not a secret that I was paid to stay at home for 7 months last year because the job I was employed to do had been put on hold, and, being one of only 12 engineers in the country trained to do it, the company didn't want to lose me. That all changed in November last year when it was decided that my situation was intolerable by both myself and the company and I was sent back to work under a different line manager doing a job far benesth my skill level. It was compunded further by my new line manager telling me that he didn't want me on his team, that he was forced to find me something to do and that he'd get me out as soon as he could. My dealings with him on a daily basis were frought and full of personal abuse but he was clever enough never to be overheard and nothing was ever said in emails or anything in a remotely official capacity. Only via telephone conversations. It came to a head in April this year when I was told to report to a new area we were to begin working in and that I could no longer commute from either Newcastle if we were working in the north, or from my southern base if we were working in the south - I had to stay in a hotel local to where we were working. No problem, I'd stayed in hotels for the company before and that was fine. But.. I arrived on site at 7am on the Monday we were due to start, to be told I'd be sharing a hotel room with a 20y/o lad I'd never met before. I sleep naked and didn't have any nighttime attire with me, only the clothes and travel bag I usually take away. I refused to share and was immediately called into head office to be told that I either share a room or resign. I had the rest of the week to decide. I consulted a solicitor who said I had a case for constructive dismissal but that it could go either way. I decided to press ahead with a tribunal, which was held on Monday this week. The tribunal heard about all the abuse I'd suffered and the company denied it. The judges accepted my version of events and told the company that their needed to seriously look at the way they treat their employees - I'd won a moral victory. But I didn't get a legal victory. In the eyes of the law, when someone resigns due to what they consider to be a 'final straw', that final straw has to be serious and in my case it was decided that being forced to share a room with a stranger, although part of longer campaign of abuse and intimidataion, wasn't serious enough in it's own right to award me the case. I still believe that, even if I hadn't endured the abuse etc, that forcing colleagues to share a room is a fundamental break to their rights to privacy, but I concede that those employees who don't have a problem sharing accommodation should be able to continue to do so. I was never going to go back to the company I worked for so I wasn't looking to win my old job back, I wasn't even too concerned about the financial payout as it would have been relatively low anyway. What I wanted was to see my boss in court and see him told that he was wrong. And I got that. To award me the legal victory would have meant setting a precedent and that is something judges are very reluctant to do as it means a change in legislation will ensue, which in cases of forcing colleagues to share a hotel room, would have made it illegal for a company to do. I have retrained as an electrician and I'm more than happy with what I'm doing now, but I have started an ePetition at the No.10 website as I still believe employees should have the right to choose whether to share a room or not without being dismissed for not doing so." I have to say that I haven't always agreed with your posts, _iews etc but on this I am with you - hope it all works out for you, Z | |||
"You have to laugh at this thread! Fucking swingers complaining about sharing a room with strangers! Come on you fuckers its a free room ok no sex but you buggers shouldn't be shy! Im taking notes and not meeting any of you lot who are shy to share as you cant be "real swingers"
I'm not shy, just like my privacy! I bring in a lot of money for my company and if they want me to spend time away from my home then they can pay for it and make sure it's comfortable! Swinging is a separate thing for me to work! Z
So you don't suck your clients cock! Im not doing work with your lot then
Well i bring in millions for work and dont mind sharing if necessary.
lol - no I won't suck a clients cock, why would I? - good for you. Z
Not even if it was a nice cock?? Saying that i wouldn't be interested in any sort of salami and the women in my industry are big muscley ladies or the ones met so far are "It wouldn't even get any where near to me finding it was a 'nice' cock - believe it or not when I'm away I am not interested in any extra marital activities! Z | |||
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"I'd like to know what people think of employees who are forced to share a hotel room by their employers whilst working away from home. Should every employee have the right to be able to retire to a place of privacy where he or she can make a phone call home without being overheard by a colleague, or sleep in a room where their co-worker's smelly socks or snoring won't keep them awake, or where someone can work late into the night without offending a room-sharing colleague. Or should the company's budget for a given project be the most important aspect of the project. Where is line drawn between the value of a 'human resource' who generates revenue for the company and the company's right to maximise it's profits by forcing colleagues to room share. Moreover, should an employee risk dismissal for refusing to share a room if they are completely uncomfortable with it? Just leave the company if your not happy
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"To be honest they should really be providing privacy and not demanding you share. I have an Xmas party on the 9th dec near Watford and hotel rooms are being offered at a reduced cost. I'm not prepared to share so I'll pay the extra. Actually anyone fancy joining me? I'm paying!! "Ah so there is sharing and Sharing | |||
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"artical 8 humand righst act, "the right to a private and family life" have fun with that one lol" The Human Rights as Act Article 8 is to do with Private Life & Family, and is concerned with state interference of your private life & family rights. It doesn't apply to the commercial sector. "3.68 You have the right to respect for your private and family life, your home and your correspondence. Article 8 is an example of a qualified right in the ECHR. This means that there is a framework in place against which any interference with your rights by the state must be judged to see if it is acceptable." The Working Time Directive gives companies an out from anything covered under employment law as it states that an the maximum permitted working week of 48 hours is averaged out over 17 weeks. What this means is that a company can force you to work longer than 48 hours in one week so long as you work less hours within the 17 week timeframe to balance it out. This also means that a break from work, which includes a break from time spent with colleague, ie. room sharing, can be dispensed with if you opt out of the 48-hour working time directive. Although provision is made to guarantee that employees are not adversely punished for opting out of the WTD, the reality is that many companies unofficially black mark employees who do opt out and whenever redundancies are in the air, guess who's name is first on the list. | |||
