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I see the smoking nazis are out in force again...
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" so shall we just ban the kids from cars? "only the ones that smoke | |||
"When Killjoys Inc. have done away with smoking completely they'll start on alcohol simply to justify their existence. Government seems to forget sometimes that it's there to serve the people, not treat us as a commodity to be shepherded about as they see fit. " but if they did that, then they would realise that we really dont need them all that much  | |||
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"When Killjoys Inc. have done away with smoking completely they'll start on alcohol simply to justify their existence. Government seems to forget sometimes that it's there to serve the people, not treat us as a commodity to be shepherded about as they see fit. " You already can't drink if you are driving. | |||
"Well as i got shunted from behind by a driver lighting a cigarette and not watching the road i think its a good idea. You can't use a hand held phone as its a distraction and a cigarette is a distraction too so im all for it." what about talking to passengers or listening to the radio, or as ive seen alot so focused on the sat nav that not even paying any attention to the road. its a slippery slope | |||
"Well as i got shunted from behind by a driver lighting a cigarette and not watching the road i think its a good idea. You can't use a hand held phone as its a distraction and a cigarette is a distraction too so im all for it. what about talking to passengers or listening to the radio, or as ive seen alot so focused on the sat nav that not even paying any attention to the road. its a slippery slope" Sorry but you are not holding your passengers hand or twiddling with the areal while driving or shouldn't be. Both would be potentially classed as dangerous driving. Smoking is a distraction plain and simple. no matter how you try to muddy the waters. | |||
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"Well as i got shunted from behind by a driver lighting a cigarette and not watching the road i think its a good idea. You can't use a hand held phone as its a distraction and a cigarette is a distraction too so im all for it. what about talking to passengers or listening to the radio, or as ive seen alot so focused on the sat nav that not even paying any attention to the road. its a slippery slope Sorry but you are not holding your passengers hand or twiddling with the areal while driving or shouldn't be. Both would be potentially classed as dangerous driving. Smoking is a distraction plain and simple. no matter how you try to muddy the waters." i have actualy been hit by someone who was busy playing with his radio. so it is a valid point. and have seen people head turned round talking to people in the back seat. my point was bad driving is just that, banning things wont make them better, education as in most cases is the key, however its cheaper and easyer to just ban things. and does it work, no how many people do you see on the phone still??? | |||
"Well as i got shunted from behind by a driver lighting a cigarette and not watching the road i think its a good idea. You can't use a hand held phone as its a distraction and a cigarette is a distraction too so im all for it. what about talking to passengers or listening to the radio, or as ive seen alot so focused on the sat nav that not even paying any attention to the road. its a slippery slope Sorry but you are not holding your passengers hand or twiddling with the areal while driving or shouldn't be. Both would be potentially classed as dangerous driving. Smoking is a distraction plain and simple. no matter how you try to muddy the waters. i have actualy been hit by someone who was busy playing with his radio. so it is a valid point. and have seen people head turned round talking to people in the back seat. my point was bad driving is just that, banning things wont make them better, education as in most cases is the key, however its cheaper and easyer to just ban things. and does it work, no how many people do you see on the phone still???" Those are all acts of driving without due care and attention and if caught doing them then you will get stopped and potentially prosecuted. And you are totally wrong about banning things not making things any better as history has proven it has on many occasions for drivers, passengers and pedestrians, two classic examples are drink driving and the compulsory use of the seatbelt. | |||
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"To protect the vulnerable society must act together when individuals choose not too…. A law that protects innocent children from the reckless actions of adults is not a imposition of civil liberty or infringement of our freedom "+1 | |||
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"Strange how some who think smoking is a distraction think nothing of flashing lorry drivers on the motorway on other threads...just saying! Personally I don't think anyone who'd contemplate smoking with kids in the car will take any notice! " Perhaps your right, maybe some people will selfishly ignore this attempt to protect their children’s well-being…. However their own selfishness now has to contend with the possibility it might result in them losing money in fines or indeed their option to drive vehicles at all ….!. So that might stimulate a change in attitude,,,, eh! | |||
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"if this was a move to protect children, which i dont believe for a min, then why not ban smoking at home if you have kids, they spend much more time there than in the car" Why would an adult choose to endanger a child in any environment,,,,, the point of this legislation is a child cant elect to leave a moving vehicle,,,,, however in a house a child can leave the room where smoking is taking place either voluntarily or under instruction!!! | |||
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"but surely if a parent is not caring enough to not smoke around their kids then they prob wont care about the law, and lets face it bans dont work, i see people on the phone in the car all the time" Suerly your not suggesting society does nothing.... are you? | |||
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"but surely if a parent is not caring enough to not smoke around their kids then they prob wont care about the law, and lets face it bans dont work, i see people on the phone in the car all the time Suerly your not suggesting society does nothing.... are you? " but its always such a weak reaction. why not just ban smoking full stop. why because the duty payed on cigs is huge and the overspending gov would be lost with out it | |||
"They are now trying to ban people smoking in their cars.... or so the media would have us believe... Actually, the bill being put forward is only to ban smoking in cars which contain children too, fairly sensible in my view, but the car fumes are doing damage, in big cities, so shall we just ban the kids from cars? "In which case they will probably need to ban car fumes as when a child is in a pram they are just at the right level to get a good old whiff | |||
"Lets weigh it up Nazis....Because they want to protect innocent children from passive smoking in a confined space? hhhmmmmmmmm..... Is it a ban if there is no kids in the car?" As you have only extracted one part of my post for the quote, I will explain that I was questioning the trivial use of the word 'Nazi' in my post... To me the word Nazi has a far more poignant meaning in history than to trivialise it by referring to a Health lobby as 'Nazis' for attempting to act in the health interest if children.... Hence my attempt at comparison.... | |||
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"They are now trying to ban people smoking in their cars.... or so the media would have us believe... Actually, the bill being put forward is only to ban smoking in cars which contain children too, fairly sensible in my view, but the car fumes are doing damage, in big cities, so shall we just ban the kids from cars?
In which case they will probably need to ban car fumes as when a child is in a pram they are just at the right level to get a good old whiff "A graduated tightening of the legislation in relation to allowable exhaust emissions does exist……. | |||
"Actually, the bill being put forward is only to ban smoking in cars which contain children too, fairly sensible in my view, but the car fumes are doing damage, in big cities, so shall we just ban the kids from cars? "Actually, as I understand it there is no "Bill"! It is a suggestion/proposal by the BMA after a report found that smoking in a car results in a 23% increase in toxins in that small atmosphere! It is nothing to do with the Government! I would be glad of a ban in cars! Smoking is worse than unwrapping/eating a chocolate bar whilst driving! Find the packet, open it and get the cigarette out! Put it in your mouth and light it only to have the possibility of the smoke getting in your eyes. It is also very hot and if you were to drop it, could make you lose control! That is quite apart from the health associations.. Of course, most on here are way better prepared. They always have everything to hand and it causes no problems. Or they get their partners to do it… I knew a guy who got up about 2am to go drive his lorry and after getting dressed, jumped in his car and drove down the road while lighting a cigarette. That first lungful of smoke caused a heart attack and he crashed causing extensive property damage but thankfully no casualties except himself. That lungful was taken at the most vulnerable time, the time when most heart attacks occur in smokers. That first "drag" constricts the blood vessels and increases the blood pressure, a deadly combination... | |||
"but surely if a parent is not caring enough to not smoke around their kids then they prob wont care about the law, and lets face it bans dont work, i see people on the phone in the car all the time Suerly your not suggesting society does nothing.... are you? but its always such a weak reaction. why not just ban smoking full stop. why because the duty payed on cigs is huge and the overspending gov would be lost with out it" Lets look at that the other way around why because the duty payed on cigs is huge and the overspending gov would be lost with out it why not just ban smoking full stop. but its always such a weak reaction. | |||
"but surely if a parent is not caring enough to not smoke around their kids then they prob wont care about the law, and lets face it bans dont work, i see people on the phone in the car all the time Suerly your not suggesting society does nothing.... are you? but its always such a weak reaction. why not just ban smoking full stop. why because the duty payed on cigs is huge and the overspending gov would be lost with out it Lets look at that the other way around why because the duty payed on cigs is huge and the overspending gov would be lost with out it why not just ban smoking full stop. but its always such a weak reaction. "sorry lost me | |||
"Well as i got shunted from behind by a driver lighting a cigarette and not watching the road i think its a good idea. You can't use a hand held phone as its a distraction and a cigarette is a distraction too so im all for it. what about talking to passengers or listening to the radio, or as ive seen alot so focused on the sat nav that not even paying any attention to the road. its a slippery slope" Can we ban lipstick too, as I've often witnessed women applying their makeup whilst driving along at 40mph+ | |||
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"For me, the smoking ban in pubs, clubs, and public buildings was a blessed relief! I agree that it should relate to company vehicles too as they are classified as "a place of work". " Any vehicle which is used for commercial purposes, including cars (incl self employed!) are included in the place of work and is illegal to smoke in said vehicles. | |||
"I knew a guy who got up about 2am to go drive his lorry and after getting dressed, jumped in his car and drove down the road while lighting a cigarette. That first lungful of smoke caused a heart attack and he crashed causing extensive property damage but thankfully no casualties except himself. That lungful was taken at the most vulnerable time, the time when most heart attacks occur in smokers. That first "drag" constricts the blood vessels and increases the blood pressure, a deadly combination... " And for those that die of heart attacks at the wheel who do NOT smoke, it can be attributed to....? Weak argument. The guy was obviously in general poor health and a heart attack was imminent regardless of where he was or what he was doing, but you don't say what physical condition he was, just that he smoked, and that's a typical anti-smoker's tactic. | |||
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"but surely if a parent is not caring enough to not smoke around their kids then they prob wont care about the law, and lets face it bans dont work, i see people on the phone in the car all the time Suerly your not suggesting society does nothing.... are you? but its always such a weak reaction. why not just ban smoking full stop. why because the duty payed on cigs is huge and the overspending gov would be lost with out it Lets look at that the other way around why because the duty payed on cigs is huge and the overspending gov would be lost with out it why not just ban smoking full stop. but its always such a weak reaction.
sorry lost me "Its was an intended to demonstrate your acceptance of an excuse not to intervene rather than you attempting to offer a solution to protect vulnerable kids . Bad deeds are done when good people stand by and do nothing... | |||
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"see my above post, why not ban everything, our gov is way to envolved in our lives as it is, and imo often not for the better, what will be next?" This is my point exactly in my earlier post. A government should not be seeking to control every aspect of our lives, just running the services we need when we need them. We are not the product of government, we are the end user of it. | |||
"see my above post, why not ban everything, our gov is way to envolved in our lives as it is, and imo often not for the better, what will be next?" Because theres no need to ban everything if people behave responsibly... The idea does not suggest taking over-all control of our freedom of choice, its only about helping to to protect vunrable kids... As for whats next?,,,,, thats another thread!! init? | |||
"see my above post, why not ban everything, our gov is way to envolved in our lives as it is, and imo often not for the better, what will be next? This is my point exactly in my earlier post. A government should not be seeking to control every aspect of our lives, just running the services we need when we need them. We are not the product of government, we are the end user of it." agree, they are our servants not the other way around | |||
"If a child is in our car when Tra is driving the effects of passive smoking would be the least of it's worries "your in for it now ! | |||
"see my above post, why not ban everything, our gov is way to envolved in our lives as it is, and imo often not for the better, what will be next? This is my point exactly in my earlier post. A government should not be seeking to control every aspect of our lives, just running the services we need when we need them. We are not the product of government, we are the end user of it." 'we' are indeed but some of 'we' do the daftest/dangerous/irrsponsible things which allows 'them' to legislate in area's that the the majority of 'we' look at and go 'wtf' is that about... | |||
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" agree, they are our servants not the other way around" thats what they want us to think, if it ever got to the point where they did have to do as we say most of them would jack it in we get what we deserve cos at the end of the day the vast majority care not a jot about politics, the system etc its a feckin joke when more people vote for reality tv than take part in that which affects their own life... | |||
"Let the do-gooders sit in a garage with their car running all night and a smoker in a garage smoking their cigerettes and let's see who walks out after a night in there. " plus 1 | |||
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"Reported Road Casualties in Great Britain, 2010 Killed 1,850 Seriously Injured 22,660 Slightly Injured 184,138 All 208,648 If we're that intent on protecting kids maybe we should ban them from cars" Hmmmm.....I wouldn't imagine too many of those cars involved where being driven by kids though..... I'm really outta here now!!! | |||
"It seems the arguments against the proposed legislation have now petered out to the sad whimper of posts shooting off on tangents attempting to deflect from an ineffectual defence of doing nothing to help defend the rights of vulnerable kids….!. Oh well…… that what I love about forums ….!. So I’m outta this one…. pffftttt
"Well everyone else was spouting random bollocks so I thought I'd join in
All this bumf is coming from a government that used to ply its workers and fighting forces with cigerettes because they were good for you!
Its like your mum and dad telling you its ok to drink booze, shove it down your neck and turn around and reprimand you for being pissed | |||
"Reported Road Casualties in Great Britain, 2010 Killed 1,850 Seriously Injured 22,660 Slightly Injured 184,138 All 208,648 If we're that intent on protecting kids maybe we should ban them from cars Hmmmm.....I wouldn't imagine too many of those cars involved where being driven by kids though..... I'm really outta here now!!! "Opp's....I meant to say.... I wouldn't imagine too many of those cars involved where being driven by * smoking* kids though.... Ok I really have gone now....!!!! | |||
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"Let the do-gooders sit in a garage with their car running all night and a smoker in a garage smoking their cigerettes and let's see who walks out after a night in there. " +1 from me too. | |||
"To protect the vulnerable society must act together when individuals choose not too…. A law that protects innocent children from the reckless actions of adults is not a imposition of civil liberty or infringement of our freedom "That is a can of worms if ever I saw one, The debate on the levels of damage by passive smoking as opposed to industrial pollution in general is still not conclusive. No one is saying it isn't harmful at all. But before you know it there will be laws telling people what we can and can't do in our own homes. Which may include dare I say such activities deemed outside the boundaries of the norm as swinging and cross dressing. I suggest people be very careful what they wish for! | |||
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"Well as i got shunted from behind by a driver lighting a cigarette and not watching the road i think its a good idea. You can't use a hand held phone as its a distraction and a cigarette is a distraction too so im all for it." Shall we ban the use of car radios too as changing the channel or swapping a disc is also a distraction, Also if you are singing along tapping your feet or hands to a good tune, you are not concentrating on the road ahead 100%. While we are at it lets isolate the driver and ban them from talking to their passengers so they can't be distracted by conversation or by the kids in the back. What would be a much better idea would be to have on board cameras in all vehicles, How many people would drive like tossers if everything they did was recorded. There are some trials of this at the moment in the US. Driven by insurance companies. Not sure I would want it but............ | |||
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"Its all getting a bit silly. I dont think they should have banned smoking in pubs, they should ban kids from pubs. I dont like my hubby smoking near my little dog though." I grew up in a pub with my parents and 3 brothers in the days when it seemed everyone smoked.Somedays you would have to go down to the cellar and stand in front of the cooler fan just to stop your eyes burning. My dad is a non smoker and spent 37 years in a VERY smoky environment but he's 73 now and has never had an illness related to or caused by passive smoking. The medical authority says there are 23 times the toxins in a smoky car as opposed to a smoky pub. How do you quantify that? Is it a a big pub? a little pub? one person smoking? 50? Does the car have the fans on? windows open?..They make it up as they go along just like they recently admitted the alcohol units allowed were pulled out of thin air. That said pubs are much nicer now there's no smoking in them If you can fucking find one that ain't shut down | |||
" That said pubs are much nicer now there's no smoking in them If you can fucking find one that ain't shut down" Nail - head. Spot on. | |||
"To protect the vulnerable society must act together when individuals choose not too…. A law that protects innocent children from the reckless actions of adults is not a imposition of civil liberty or infringement of our freedom
That is a can of worms if ever I saw one, The debate on the levels of damage by passive smoking as opposed to industrial pollution in general is still not conclusive. No one is saying it isn't harmful at all. But before you know it there will be laws telling people what we can and can't do in our own homes. Which may include dare I say such activities deemed outside the boundaries of the norm as swinging and cross dressing. I suggest people be very careful what they wish for!"Do you know what.... I don't worry about a world like your......becuase it only exists in the minds of those who put more effort into finding reasons not to fix problems than they do in trying to coming up with workable solutions that stop harm to others... | |||
"Its all getting a bit silly. I dont think they should have banned smoking in pubs, they should ban kids from pubs. I dont like my hubby smoking near my little dog though. I grew up in a pub with my parents and 3 brothers in the days when it seemed everyone smoked.Somedays you would have to go down to the cellar and stand in front of the cooler fan just to stop your eyes burning. My dad is a non smoker and spent 37 years in a VERY smoky environment but he's 73 now and has never had an illness related to or caused by passive smoking. The medical authority says there are 23 times the toxins in a smoky car as opposed to a smoky pub. How do you quantify that? Is it a a big pub? a little pub? one person smoking? 50? Does the car have the fans on? windows open?..They make it up as they go along just like they recently admitted the alcohol units allowed were pulled out of thin air. That said pubs are much nicer now there's no smoking in them If you can fucking find one that ain't shut down" lol | |||
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can we have one every day please? | |||
"Oooooooooohhhhhh, I love these smoking threads can we have one every day please? "bit habit forming if they get too regular m8 -~ Wolf  | |||
"To protect the vulnerable society must act together when individuals choose not too…. A law that protects innocent children from the reckless actions of adults is not a imposition of civil liberty or infringement of our freedom
That is a can of worms if ever I saw one, The debate on the levels of damage by passive smoking as opposed to industrial pollution in general is still not conclusive. No one is saying it isn't harmful at all. But before you know it there will be laws telling people what we can and can't do in our own homes. Which may include dare I say such activities deemed outside the boundaries of the norm as swinging and cross dressing. I suggest people be very careful what they wish for!
Do you know what.... I don't worry about a world like your......becuase it only exists in the minds of those who put more effort into finding reasons not to fix problems than they do in trying to coming up with workable solutions that stop harm to others...
"Well you should worry about it as should we all, the answer to changing peoples habits is not to just legislate and pass a new law and thus tell people how it is going to be from now on. there in lies a nanny state. The only answer to societies ill's is to change peoples attitude by positive campaigning this may take longer as turning a normal habit into an unsociable habit by advertising and campaigning does tend to take a generation or two. But the end result is much more effective. And the population as a whole become much more accepting of the 'new' status quo. The laws of state should be used as a last resort and only as a last resort. | |||
"So the smokers are blaming the smoking ban for pubs closing down? They were closing down fast enough before the ban, high property rental, over subscription of pubs in a small area, cheap alcohol prices in supremarkets....and all,and all. I was out in Newton Abbot on Monday evening, it's a small Devon market town, there are at least Ten pubs still going strong within a 1000 meter radius of the town centre that I know of.... So one or two have closed over the last couple of years.....it's just business and a growing trend for people to spend more evenings at home with their families. Has the smoking ban made an impact?....of course it has, but no more than market forces and over subscription of public houses in the past." In Middle Class England that may be the case, but in the poorest areas of England, pubs are clsoing at an alarming rate. It takes us about 15 minutes to drive to the Sainsburys Superstore we prefer to shop at and the route takes us past 8 pubs that have closed in the past 12 months. In the opposite direction there are 4 pubs that have closed within the last 6 months and within a 4 mile radius of our house. The smoking ban was not the sole reason for these pub closures but more of a final straw factor in the designed decline of the British Pub industry, all brought about by successive Labour policies to get the workers out of pubs and ensconced in their homes where it's much safer for the (then Labour) government to have them - they can't galvanise in their homes. Have the Tories helped the pub industry any better than Labour did? Nope, of course not, as they don't want people milling around in pubs getting merry and getting organised either. | |||
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"To protect the vulnerable society must act together when individuals choose not too…. A law that protects innocent children from the reckless actions of adults is not a imposition of civil liberty or infringement of our freedom
That is a can of worms if ever I saw one, The debate on the levels of damage by passive smoking as opposed to industrial pollution in general is still not conclusive. No one is saying it isn't harmful at all. But before you know it there will be laws telling people what we can and can't do in our own homes. Which may include dare I say such activities deemed outside the boundaries of the norm as swinging and cross dressing. I suggest people be very careful what they wish for!
Do you know what.... I don't worry about a world like your......becuase it only exists in the minds of those who put more effort into finding reasons not to fix problems than they do in trying to coming up with workable solutions that stop harm to others...
Well you should worry about it as should we all, the answer to changing peoples habits is not to just legislate and pass a new law and thus tell people how it is going to be from now on. there in lies a nanny state. The only answer to societies ill's is to change peoples attitude by positive campaigning this may take longer as turning a normal habit into an unsociable habit by advertising and campaigning does tend to take a generation or two. But the end result is much more effective. And the population as a whole become much more accepting of the 'new' status quo.
The laws of state should be used as a last resort and only as a last resort."Yeah yeah,,,,If you say so!!!,,,, but surely your plan to change attitudes by education has to have include a cut off point,,,,if only for the sake of the kids who are left suffering wherever your plan does not fully engage..... if you catch my drift... So although you say I should worry about being subjected to legislation designed to control inappropriate behaviour,,,,, I'll save my concern for those in society who are vulnerable to inappropriate behaviour now ..... | |||
"To protect the vulnerable society must act together when individuals choose not too…. A law that protects innocent children from the reckless actions of adults is not a imposition of civil liberty or infringement of our freedom
That is a can of worms if ever I saw one, The debate on the levels of damage by passive smoking as opposed to industrial pollution in general is still not conclusive. No one is saying it isn't harmful at all. But before you know it there will be laws telling people what we can and can't do in our own homes. Which may include dare I say such activities deemed outside the boundaries of the norm as swinging and cross dressing. I suggest people be very careful what they wish for!
Do you know what.... I don't worry about a world like your......becuase it only exists in the minds of those who put more effort into finding reasons not to fix problems than they do in trying to coming up with workable solutions that stop harm to others...
Well you should worry about it as should we all, the answer to changing peoples habits is not to just legislate and pass a new law and thus tell people how it is going to be from now on. there in lies a nanny state. The only answer to societies ill's is to change peoples attitude by positive campaigning this may take longer as turning a normal habit into an unsociable habit by advertising and campaigning does tend to take a generation or two. But the end result is much more effective. And the population as a whole become much more accepting of the 'new' status quo.
The laws of state should be used as a last resort and only as a last resort.
Yeah yeah,,,,If you say so!!!,,,, but surely your plan to change attitudes by education has to have include a cut off point,,,,if only for the sake of the kids who are left suffering wherever your plan does not fully engage..... if you catch my drift...
So although you say I should worry about being subjected to legislation designed to control inappropriate behaviour,,,,, I'll save my concern for those in society who are vulnerable to inappropriate behaviour now .....
"I see, so lets legislate, Lets ban all combustion vehicles from passing schools because of the toxins they belch out, lets also ban any electrical device that creates a magnetic field from all homes and schools as the magnetic field some scientists believe are dangerous, especially to the young. Lets ban all foodstuffs with additives of any kind including preservatives. Shall we legislate against all these too | |||
"Oooooooooohhhhhh, I love these smoking threads can we have one every day please?
bit habit forming if they get too regular m8 -~
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"well it came up on last big posting session where i pointed out doing some health research about car pollution in inner city areas...no one likes the link to cars vs smoking causing health issues(think we know why dont we!).Granted smoking while kids are present is pretty unacceptable! the prime example is levels of toxicity under glasgows central station bridge, from the fumes alone its like 20 cigarettes ...of course I dunno how long u have to stay under the bridge....just thinking right now im outta fags....find me under the bridge" I gave em up 2 years ago for the benefit of our young un, but still enjoy a good bit of passive. where is that bridge again ?? | |||
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"u notice when u go to chams when ur outside for a fag how many non smokers join u......" that's because some say smokers are more approachable/civil/friendly....and sexier
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"well it came up on last big posting session where i pointed out doing some health research about car pollution in inner city areas...no one likes the link to cars vs smoking causing health issues(think we know why dont we!).Granted smoking while kids are present is pretty unacceptable! the prime example is levels of toxicity under glasgows central station bridge, from the fumes alone its like 20 cigarettes ...of course I dunno how long u have to stay under the bridge....just thinking right now im outta fags....find me under the bridge I gave em up 2 years ago for the benefit of our young un, but still enjoy a good bit of passive. where is that bridge again ?? "hope thats u jane cos I thought u said u enjoy a bit of massive... u can smoke me anytime | |||
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"they should ban smoking in cars.. i struggle to hold a cig with a cup of coffee and a sandwich...." Don't know why...but that tickled me! | |||
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" What about if we smoke handsfree?" thats the kind of bj i like...need to have good skill cos i dont cum easy | |||
"Its all getting a bit silly. I dont think they should have banned smoking in pubs, they should ban kids from pubs. I dont like my hubby smoking near my little dog though." Banning smoking from pubs was nothing to do with kids in pubs, it was to protect bar staff from passive smoking.... This is not legislation, or even a white paper, this is a proposal from a consultation group. I am a smoker, but i dont drive so this doesnt affect me. One thing I definately wanted to say, when looking at rod safety. Of all the things that cause accidents on the roads, you can add everything together, smoking, phones, appkying makeup faulty vehicles and they will all total less than driving speed. It's the largest contributor and exaserbator of the seriousness in the statistics....... | |||
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"Lets weigh it up Nazis....Because they want to protect innocent children from passive smoking in a confined space? hhhmmmmmmmm..... Is it a ban if there is no kids in the car? As you have only extracted one part of my post for the quote, I will explain that I was questioning the trivial use of the word 'Nazi' in my post... "And I will explain that it was a genuine question as I hadn't read the OP properly that mentioned about kids. I exctracted only one part of your post as that was the only bit I was asking about. | |||
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"They are now trying to ban people smoking in their cars.... or so the media would have us believe... Actually, the bill being put forward is only to ban smoking in cars which contain children too, fairly sensible in my view, but the car fumes are doing damage, in big cities, so shall we just ban the kids from cars?
In which case they will probably need to ban car fumes as when a child is in a pram they are just at the right level to get a good old whiff
A graduated tightening of the legislation in relation to allowable exhaust emissions does exist……. "It still can't be good for us all breathing in exhaust fumes though? | |||
"If a child is in our car when Tra is driving the effects of passive smoking would be the least of it's worries " | |||
"It's about choice, kids can't tell their parents not to smoke in the car... But parents can chose to walk a better way with the pram to minimise the risks or traffic fumes. "How? There are cars on most roads, the only way you would avoid them are to use fields to walk across....but then there could be a big fat bull in the field so you could be in worse trouble | |||
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" The British Medical Association called for the extension of the current ban on smoking in public places after reviewing evidence of the dangers. It highlighted research showing the levels of toxins in a car can be up to 23 times higher than in a smoky bar " Smokey bar? Not in this country was that research conducted then. We haven't had a smokey bar in the UK since 2007.  | |||
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" Smokey bar? Not in this country was that research conducted then. We haven't had a smokey bar in the UK since 2007. "If the government axed the ban on smoking in pubs Dave could say 'the smoky bars are on me' . . I'll get me coat | |||
"Personally I think it is sad that the goverment even have to think of banning smoking in cars while children are in it, any sensible parent should know it isn't wise to do and not do it anyway. BUT, I really don't like any goverment banning something , maybe they just need to educate instead." Agreed. +1 | |||
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"Fuck me the lengths some smokers will go to so they can justify blowing smoke rings in little Jonnie or Daisy’s face. Its a filthy fucking habit! Make them all do it in a 6X4 shed at the bottom of the garden!
Oh and while not banning stuff lets stop murder being a crime. We can educate people not to do it. "Smoking isn't a crime, educating parents who havn't got a clue has to be good thing surely? | |||
"Fuck me the lengths some smokers will go to so they can justify blowing smoke rings in little Jonnie or Daisy’s face. Its a filthy fucking habit! Make them all do it in a 6X4 shed at the bottom of the garden!
Oh and while not banning stuff lets stop murder being a crime. We can educate people not to do it.
Smoking isn't a crime, educating parents who havn't got a clue has to be good thing surely?"Well joking aside its not a crime in one seance but i do think a criminal act has been committed getting people hooked on cigarettes in peoples youth. The thing about people not having a clue well i dont buy that. It says "smoking kills" on packets and even them that dont read will have been nosey and asked. Help yes i would but also punish those who smoke with kids around as some dont really want to take advice. | |||
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"Fuck me the lengths some smokers will go to so they can justify blowing smoke rings in little Jonnie or Daisy’s face. Its a filthy fucking habit! Make them all do it in a 6X4 shed at the bottom of the garden!
Oh and while not banning stuff lets stop murder being a crime. We can educate people not to do it.
Smoking isn't a crime, educating parents who havn't got a clue has to be good thing surely?"I find it hard to believe that there are parents who 'haven't got a clue' that smoking around children is bad for them I'm more inclined to believe that they know but couldn't care less as their habit is seemingly more important to them than their childs welfare. If that is sadly the case then a change in the law is not gonna make any difference to them as they are idiots. as an old friend of mine says "you can't educate pork" | |||
"Well as i got shunted from behind by a driver lighting a cigarette and not watching the road i think its a good idea. You can't use a hand held phone as its a distraction and a cigarette is a distraction too so im all for it. what about talking to passengers or listening to the radio, or as ive seen alot so focused on the sat nav that not even paying any attention to the road. its a slippery slope Sorry but you are not holding your passengers hand or twiddling with the areal while driving or shouldn't be. Both would be potentially classed as dangerous driving. Smoking is a distraction plain and simple. no matter how you try to muddy the waters." you might not be driving, you might be the passenger. | |||
"I see, so lets legislate, Lets ban all combustion vehicles from passing schools because of the toxins they belch out, lets also ban any electrical device that creates a magnetic field from all homes and schools as the magnetic field some scientists believe are dangerous, especially to the young. Lets ban all foodstuffs with additives of any kind including preservatives. Shall we legislate against all these too" What a bizarre way of attempting to put over your point of view over….!. Your running off on all sort of tangents instead of addressing the one issue that is in question here….!. We’ve already had a highly publicised programme of education in place regards the problems caused by passive inhalation for many years…. This is not a new issue we are discussing here,,,, its a well documented problem A time has too come when action is required to prevent further abuse of children ,,,,,, and when words fail to get the message across,,,,, action must be taken….. When it comes down to protecting kids, for anyone to apply an argument that resists the objectivd based on example of other wrong doings that may also require attention.... its a simple confirmation of the sort of attitude that causes governments to take control and apply legislation in the first place……. …..But hey,,,,, perhaps maybe there are people who still hanker for the good old days when we sent kids up chimneys!!!!!! | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . " They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand | |||
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"If you are seriously talking protection of children then it should also be with no alcohol in the blood whilst caring for or in the presence of children too. This situation is far more common and dangerous than smoking in cars." What as in 0%? What about people who drink fresh orange as that has something like 0.5% or say a flambéed desert? What about people going out for a night with their partner and then coming home should the babysitter stop till next lunch time?
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"Fuck me the lengths some smokers will go to so they can justify blowing smoke rings in little Jonnie or Daisy’s face. Its a filthy fucking habit! Make them all do it in a 6X4 shed at the bottom of the garden!
Oh and while not banning stuff lets stop murder being a crime. We can educate people not to do it.
Smoking isn't a crime, educating parents who havn't got a clue has to be good thing surely?
I find it hard to believe that there are parents who 'haven't got a clue' that smoking around children is bad for them
I'm more inclined to believe that they know but couldn't care less as their habit is seemingly more important to them than their childs welfare.
If that is sadly the case then a change in the law is not gonna make any difference to them as they are idiots. as an old friend of mine says "you can't educate pork""Yeah, see my next post, it was exactly what I meant, not got a clue how to look after their children , not so much not got a clue at how bad smoking is. | |||
"If you are seriously talking protection of children then it should also be with no alcohol in the blood whilst caring for or in the presence of children too. This situation is far more common and dangerous than smoking in cars. What as in 0%? What about people who drink fresh orange as that has something like 0.5% or say a flambéed desert? What about people going out for a night with their partner and then coming home should the babysitter stop till next lunch time?
So how does passive alcohol get into kids blood streams?"It doesn't. This one takes a bit of thought and comparison. I am not going to spell it out. | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand "Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ?? | |||
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"What more education you need then "Smoking Kills" is plastered over the box. " I meant education in parent skills, not whats written on a fag box. | |||
"Personally I think it is sad that the goverment even have to think of banning smoking in cars while children are in it, any sensible parent should know it isn't wise to do and not do it anyway. BUT, I really don't like any goverment banning something , maybe they just need to educate instead. Agreed. +1 " Looks like you were the only one who second guessed what I meant, I am sticking with you | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ??"Blow into this tube would do the trick. They can already tell if there is alcohol in your lungs so the same for nicotine. | |||
"What more education you need then "Smoking Kills" is plastered over the box. I meant education in parent skills, not whats written on a fag box." perhaps an additional note inside saying "This product does what it says on the box"? | |||
"If you are seriously talking protection of children then it should also be with no alcohol in the blood whilst caring for or in the presence of children too. This situation is far more common and dangerous than smoking in cars. What as in 0%? What about people who drink fresh orange as that has something like 0.5% or say a flambéed desert? What about people going out for a night with their partner and then coming home should the babysitter stop till next lunch time?
So how does passive alcohol get into kids blood streams?
It doesn't. This one takes a bit of thought and comparison. I am not going to spell it out."Spell it out there is no limit on words you can type. What about the baby sitter situation then? | |||
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"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ??
Blow into this tube would do the trick. They can already tell if there is alcohol in your lungs so the same for nicotine. "It's not the nicotine in ciggies that's dangerous. It's the other particulates, such as benzine, that can be found at high levels in any town centre. | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ??
Blow into this tube would do the trick. They can already tell if there is alcohol in your lungs so the same for nicotine.
It's not the nicotine in ciggies that's dangerous. It's the other particulates, such as benzine, that can be found at high levels in any town centre."Nicotine is highly addictive. The tar in cigarettes increases a smoker's risk of lung cancer, emphysema, and bronchial disorders. The carbon monoxide in smoke increases the chance of cardiovascular diseases. Pregnant smokers have a higher risk of miscarriage or low birthweight babies. Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adults and greatly increases the risk of respiratory illnesses in children. And you are trying to fool who? | |||
" It's not the nicotine in ciggies that's dangerous. It's the other particulates, such as benzine, that can be found at high levels in any town centre." Presumably nicotine replacement products would also show a positive result. So that blows that one out of the water | |||
" It's not the nicotine in ciggies that's dangerous. It's the other particulates, such as benzine, that can be found at high levels in any town centre. Presumably nicotine replacement products would also show a positive result. So that blows that one out of the water" I am sure if they wished they would find it pretty easy to come up with a breathalyser which says if you have been smoking or not. And an artificial ciggie is going to distract the same as a real one while driving. | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ??
Blow into this tube would do the trick. They can already tell if there is alcohol in your lungs so the same for nicotine.
It's not the nicotine in ciggies that's dangerous. It's the other particulates, such as benzine, that can be found at high levels in any town centre.
Nicotine is highly addictive. The tar in cigarettes increases a smoker's risk of lung cancer, emphysema, and bronchial disorders. The carbon monoxide in smoke increases the chance of cardiovascular diseases. Pregnant smokers have a higher risk of miscarriage or low birthweight babies. Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adults and greatly increases the risk of respiratory illnesses in children.
And you are trying to fool who? "Wikipedia's good, but not always accurate | |||
" I am sure if they wished they would find it pretty easy to come up with a breathalyser which says if you have been smoking or not." They already have. Sadly it doesn't measure nicotine but carbon monoxide,and we know where the majority of that comes from in cities.so do we ban people from walking their kids down the street? Incidentally smoking before being given a breath test for booze can give a false high reading. | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ??
Blow into this tube would do the trick. They can already tell if there is alcohol in your lungs so the same for nicotine.
It's not the nicotine in ciggies that's dangerous. It's the other particulates, such as benzine, that can be found at high levels in any town centre.
Nicotine is highly addictive. The tar in cigarettes increases a smoker's risk of lung cancer, emphysema, and bronchial disorders. The carbon monoxide in smoke increases the chance of cardiovascular diseases. Pregnant smokers have a higher risk of miscarriage or low birthweight babies. Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adults and greatly increases the risk of respiratory illnesses in children.
And you are trying to fool who? "People with addictions of any kind will always try to deflect blame and twist facts, that's just human nature. You will never stop people from justifying their actions in life, I don't smoke and I wouldn't want to even attempt to tell people that they should stop smoking as it's their life...and their risk. If people want to smoke themselves into an early grave, or drink themselves to death, or eat themselves into a coffin then so be it...... You can only live one life at a time....and that's your own life. | |||
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"According to the Department of Health own figures, a hospital bed costs approximately £400 a day…. 12 grand a month…….So add to that the cost of procedural treatments and medication….. " Let's see some figures provided by an independant source before we believe what the government agency concerned with the provision of hospital beds says. Not everything in a hospital can be quantified in terms of cost down to the end user, ie. the patient. A patient isn't responsible for the costs incurred in the provision of rubber gloves, for example, nor is the patient responsible for the floors being kept germ free. Those are costs to be borne by the hospital in the provision of professional healthcare, and if you strip out those sorts of costs you'll soon see that the cost of a hospital bed is more like £200/day, and when you compare THAT figure against the number of smokers and the tax raised from them, and the % of smokers that need extensive hospital care purely for smoking-related illnesses, you'll find that smoker's more than pay for the hospital care for smoking-related complaints. | |||
"According to the Department of Health own figures, a hospital bed costs approximately £400 a day…. 12 grand a month…….So add to that the cost of procedural treatments and medication….. Let's see some figures provided by an independant source before we believe what the government agency concerned with the provision of hospital beds says. Not everything in a hospital can be quantified in terms of cost down to the end user, ie. the patient. A patient isn't responsible for the costs incurred in the provision of rubber gloves, for example, nor is the patient responsible for the floors being kept germ free. Those are costs to be borne by the hospital in the provision of professional healthcare, and if you strip out those sorts of costs you'll soon see that the cost of a hospital bed is more like £200/day, and when you compare THAT figure against the number of smokers and the tax raised from them, and the % of smokers that need extensive hospital care purely for smoking-related illnesses, you'll find that smoker's more than pay for the hospital care for smoking-related complaints." fair point.....so dig out these figures and lets see them !!! | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ??
Blow into this tube would do the trick. They can already tell if there is alcohol in your lungs so the same for nicotine. "yes but you could have stoped up the road to have a puff . Is not going to be easy for them ..to police. | |||
" ...Nope, of course not, as they don't want people milling around in pubs getting merry and getting organised either." teehee, this made me titter, I can't think of anything on the planet less 'organized' than me when I'm 'merry' not wanting people to get organized would be dead easy to achieve...extended pub hours and a big fat bifta on the house | |||
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"Tobacco revenue in the UK in 2010 was £6.8 billion. NHS total budget for 2010 was £110 billion. So.... smoking related diseases cost the NHS £1.7 billion in 2010 (according to the Daily Mail)....... That means that smokers ploughed £5.1 billion into the NHS. Do the government really wanna stop smoking?" Now thats very interesting although it doesn't take into account while beds and staff are used for smokers they are not being used treating non-smokers on waiting lists .... but anyway,,, interesting non-the-less, although I'd still like to see official figures too..... | |||
"Tobacco revenue in the UK in 2010 was £6.8 billion. NHS total budget for 2010 was £110 billion. So.... smoking related diseases cost the NHS £1.7 billion in 2010 (according to the Daily Mail)....... That means that smokers ploughed £5.1 billion into the NHS. Do the government really wanna stop smoking? Now thats very interesting although it doesn't take into account while beds and staff are used for smokers they are not being used treating non-smokers on waiting lists .... but anyway,,, interesting non-the-less, although I'd still like to see official figures too..... "No flies land on you ..eh Soxy
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"No flies land on you ..eh Soxy
I`m off fer a bath....and Sink the Bismark... "haha,,, Dave,,,, I think theres more chance of nailing jelly to a wall than finding a general agreement on this hot topic... hey man.... be careful where ya sit in the bath ....keep away from the plug,,, it can leave a mark for days ... | |||
"And for those that die of heart attacks at the wheel who do NOT smoke, it can be attributed to....?" That is patently not relevant to this post thread or my post! "Weak argument. The guy was obviously in general poor health and a heart attack was imminent regardless of where he was or what he was doing, but you don't say what physical condition he was, just that he smoked, and that's a typical anti-smoker's tactic." The guy was a lorry driver who drove petrol tankers for a living. That made him the cream of the crop and he had a medical every six months. He had been told that he should give up smoking but in his words " Nothing wrong with my health, my granddad smoked till he died at 80!" This guy died at 48 supposedly in good health! It was very lucky that he was not driving his lorry at the time, but then it likely wouldn’t have happened as there was no smoking in a vehicle carrying dangerous goods. (Before the smoking ban) The inquest into his death agreed that it was a “Myocardial infarction brought on by the sudden increase in blood pressure and constriction of arteries associated with smoking” No warning.. No time to save him…  | |||
"Let the do-gooders sit in a garage with their car running all night and a smoker in a garage smoking their cigerettes and let's see who walks out after a night in there. " Depends what car really and what fuel it uses. True if its a pre cat fitted car there is a good chance you would be dead long before the morning but if its a new petrol powered car then be prepared to sit there for a a long long time as they produce "F" all out the exhaust now so i would say 20 fags is far more harmfull and smell far worse. Quite often i have to drive various customers cars and they think nothing of lighting up a fag as its there car and there rules so how fair is that?? | |||
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"I see, so lets legislate, Lets ban all combustion vehicles from passing schools because of the toxins they belch out, lets also ban any electrical device that creates a magnetic field from all homes and schools as the magnetic field some scientists believe are dangerous, especially to the young. Lets ban all foodstuffs with additives of any kind including preservatives. Shall we legislate against all these too What a bizarre way of attempting to put over your point of view over….!. Your running off on all sort of tangents instead of addressing the one issue that is in question here….!. We’ve already had a highly publicised programme of education in place regards the problems caused by passive inhalation for many years…. This is not a new issue we are discussing here,,,, its a well documented problem A time has too come when action is required to prevent further abuse of children ,,,,,, and when words fail to get the message across,,,,, action must be taken….. When it comes down to protecting kids, for anyone to apply an argument that resists the objectivd based on example of other wrong doings that may also require attention.... its a simple confirmation of the sort of attitude that causes governments to take control and apply legislation in the first place……. …..But hey,,,,, perhaps maybe there are people who still hanker for the good old days when we sent kids up chimneys!!!!!! " Not at all bizzarre, let me put it slightly differently. If we are going to set a law banning smoking to protect our children lets also ban alcohol at the same time. that way all the children that suffer domestic violence and abuse from d*unk adults will be protected. Or is that different too ? | |||
" This guy died at 48 supposedly in good health! It was very lucky that he was not driving his lorry at the time, but then it likely wouldn’t have happened as there was no smoking in a vehicle carrying dangerous goods. (Before the smoking ban) The inquest into his death agreed that it was a “Myocardial infarction brought on by the sudden increase in blood pressure and constriction of arteries associated with smoking” No warning.. No time to save him… "a close friend,died at 36,with exactly the same condition.his job required regular health checks also. he had never smoked,i'm thinking,how much easier,would it have been to attribute blame,had he smoked hmmmmmm that said,no responsible person would smoke,with a child in the car. i like smoking,and would happily smoke,under the stairs,with my head stuck up a extraction fan,fitted with nicotine filters. if this would mean,i never again,had to listen to the constant whinging,and whining,of non smokers. the smoking ban in pubs,is brilliant. going outside for a fag,has made me realise,us smokers are the nicest people. it also got me thinking,where are all the non smokers.who were going to fill the pubs,when they didn't have to go home smelling of smoke,did yous miss us. | |||
"Smoking is a digusting filthy habit, ban it in cars regardless of whether kids are in there or not "I agree, with my fag in hand and titillating stare | |||
" This guy died at 48 supposedly in good health! It was very lucky that he was not driving his lorry at the time, but then it likely wouldn’t have happened as there was no smoking in a vehicle carrying dangerous goods. (Before the smoking ban) The inquest into his death agreed that it was a “Myocardial infarction brought on by the sudden increase in blood pressure and constriction of arteries associated with smoking” No warning.. No time to save him…
a close friend,died at 36,with exactly the same condition.his job required regular health checks also.
he had never smoked,i'm thinking,how much easier,would it have been to attribute blame,had he smoked hmmmmmm
that said,no responsible person would smoke,with a child in the car.
i like smoking,and would happily smoke,under the stairs,with my head stuck up a extraction fan,fitted with nicotine filters.
if this would mean,i never again,had to listen to the constant whinging,and whining,of non smokers.
the smoking ban in pubs,is brilliant.
going outside for a fag,has made me realise,us smokers are the nicest people.
it also got me thinking,where are all the non smokers.who were going to fill the pubs,when they didn't have to go home smelling of smoke,did yous miss us. " | |||
"I think it would be hard to police ... how would thay tell if people was having a fag... and would it be like Big brother Cams road side every place looking at you , I have dark windows in the back you would never see .. yes people need to know the risks and some need educaiting not just for them for others . They would police it in exactly the same way they do people holding a mobile phone in their hand Thay can find out who you called and the time on a mobile how would thay people have a fag ??
Blow into this tube would do the trick. They can already tell if there is alcohol in your lungs so the same for nicotine.
It's not the nicotine in ciggies that's dangerous. It's the other particulates, such as benzine, that can be found at high levels in any town centre.
Nicotine is highly addictive. The tar in cigarettes increases a smoker's risk of lung cancer, emphysema, and bronchial disorders. The carbon monoxide in smoke increases the chance of cardiovascular diseases. Pregnant smokers have a higher risk of miscarriage or low birthweight babies. Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adults and greatly increases the risk of respiratory illnesses in children.
And you are trying to fool who? "so is heroin, get the uncut stuff and people can be healthy albeit addicted ..its whats mixed with the drug that causes the ill effects | |||
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"i agree you will never find an agreement on whos paying what tax and whos a burden on the nhs as churchill said theres statistcs statistics and downright lies whatever we do we all need the nhs so gladly pay into it if you debate about how much smokers cost then it goes on to obese people so should we have a fat tax to pay for gastric bands an bypasses or cosmetic surgery on the nhs bah blah blah let it lie this thread was about a white paper and smoking in cars while kids are in it im a smoker and i dont do that i smoke outdoors at home as well (well in the porch in winter )the nhs is there for all taxpayers at time of need " Mark Twain methinks. | |||
"i agree you will never find an agreement on whos paying what tax and whos a burden on the nhs as churchill said theres statistcs statistics and downright lies whatever we do we all need the nhs so gladly pay into it if you debate about how much smokers cost then it goes on to obese people so should we have a fat tax to pay for gastric bands an bypasses or cosmetic surgery on the nhs bah blah blah let it lie this thread was about a white paper and smoking in cars while kids are in it im a smoker and i dont do that i smoke outdoors at home as well (well in the porch in winter )the nhs is there for all taxpayers at time of need " lets not forget the sportsmen/women,and how much they cost the nhs. they dont even pay any extra tax grrrrrr. | |||
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" This guy died at 48 supposedly in good health! It was very lucky that he was not driving his lorry at the time, but then it likely wouldn’t have happened as there was no smoking in a vehicle carrying dangerous goods. (Before the smoking ban) The inquest into his death agreed that it was a “Myocardial infarction brought on by the sudden increase in blood pressure and constriction of arteries associated with smoking” No warning.. No time to save him…
a close friend,died at 36,with exactly the same condition.his job required regular health checks also.
he had never smoked,i'm thinking,how much easier,would it have been to attribute blame,had he smoked hmmmmmm
that said,no responsible person would smoke,with a child in the car.
i like smoking,and would happily smoke,under the stairs,with my head stuck up a extraction fan,fitted with nicotine filters.
if this would mean,i never again,had to listen to the constant whinging,and whining,of non smokers.
the smoking ban in pubs,is brilliant.
going outside for a fag,has made me realise,us smokers are the nicest people.
it also got me thinking,where are all the non smokers.who were going to fill the pubs,when they didn't have to go home smelling of smoke,did yous miss us. "Sigh.... But you are missing the point! This is about smoking and I am sure the smokers “Anecdote Factory” has been churning out reasons to carry on smoking for years. But the guy died because he was smoking his first cigarette of the day! If he hadn’t been a smoker, he may well have lived for a long time. The inquest agreed with the medical evidence that it was likely smoking related.. As I have said on previous threads on the subject, I hate smoking and although I do, I tolerate it from our friends when we are with them. (rephrased to avoid the puerile comments I received last time!) I don’t care a jot that they or anyone else has to stand out in the cold in the winter. Or in the rain or boiling sun! What I do care about is that they feel the need to attempt to destroy their lives in this way. I would rather they didn’t, but it is their choice, I tell em my views once and the reason why I feel like that and then drop the subject. But I still worry when one of my best mates, who had a stroke about 4 years ago, still smokes like a trooper! | |||
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"I see, so lets legislate, Lets ban all combustion vehicles from passing schools because of the toxins they belch out, lets also ban any electrical device that creates a magnetic field from all homes and schools as the magnetic field some scientists believe are dangerous, especially to the young. Lets ban all foodstuffs with additives of any kind including preservatives. Shall we legislate against all these too What a bizarre way of attempting to put over your point of view over….!. Your running off on all sort of tangents instead of addressing the one issue that is in question here….!. We’ve already had a highly publicised programme of education in place regards the problems caused by passive inhalation for many years…. This is not a new issue we are discussing here,,,, its a well documented problem A time has too come when action is required to prevent further abuse of children ,,,,,, and when words fail to get the message across,,,,, action must be taken….. When it comes down to protecting kids, for anyone to apply an argument that resists the objectivd based on example of other wrong doings that may also require attention.... its a simple confirmation of the sort of attitude that causes governments to take control and apply legislation in the first place……. …..But hey,,,,, perhaps maybe there are people who still hanker for the good old days when we sent kids up chimneys!!!!!! Not at all bizzarre, let me put it slightly differently. If we are going to set a law banning smoking to protect our children lets also ban alcohol at the same time. that way all the children that suffer domestic violence and abuse from d*unk adults will be protected. Or is that different too ? " Your reply is like so many in this thread and has only served to reinforces the lack of solid argument against the issue of banning smoking in cars to prevent harm to children….. …..(Cause and consequence) Again you’ve chosen to use analogy’s drawn off at tangents presenting example of other situations that also require dealing with in an appropriate manner to the problems they cause…..(Cause and consequence) Its becomes a pointless debate when individuals attempt to combine other issues to provide reasons “NOT” to tackle the one in question ,,,, …..(Cause and consequence) The way the most of laws are set does not allow for such measurers of introducing blanket legislation covering a multitude of unrelated wrong doings….. ……..(Cause and consequence). So illustrating objection to the introduction of new legislation to help prevent vulnerable children escape the danger of passive smoking whilst in cars by sighting other misdemeanours does not serve the argument in the least Car exhaust …..(Cause and consequence) Domestic violence ……..( Cause and consequence) Alcohol abuse…..…..( Cause and consequence) Drug abuse……..…..( Cause and consequence) Tobacco taxation/revenues…….…..( Cause and consequence) Etc… etc….. Yeah by all means lets deal with all of those issues too, but to present arguments NOT to introduce single legislation to protect kids travelling in cars based on separate issues like those is quite frankly, rather poor.!. | |||
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"Tobacco revenue in the UK in 2010 was £6.8 billion. NHS total budget for 2010 was £110 billion. So.... smoking related diseases cost the NHS £1.7 billion in 2010 (according to the Daily Mail)....... That means that smokers ploughed £5.1 billion into the NHS. Do the government really wanna stop smoking?" Tks _adchick, saved me a trawl through Wiki, which would have probably earned me a castigation or two lol I'm so glad that my filthy habit has paid for the medical care of so many other people. Aren't I a thoroughly thoughtful chappie eh? | |||
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"Why not deal with the singular issue you mention: protecting children from smoking in cars. It's quite a simple solution: ban smoking in cars whilst children are present in them. When they're not, let the adults smoke if they wish. There is no need for a blanket ban in all cars at all times, and let's not have the 'yeah but lighting up a cig is just as dangerous' argument. This is about smoking in cars whilst children are present, so let's stick to that eh?" Yep Wishy,,,... that sounds totally reasonable,,,...I've no objection to that as long as there is a decent punishment in place for those who don't abade to act as a further deterent!..... Hey, I've seen a traffic cop picking his nose while driving... so yeah... what you suggest about lighting up seems reasonable..... | |||
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"this is all well and good, but totaly uninforcable, its no good banning things unless you can enforce them, how many people do you see driving on the phone? stop worrying about things that most sensable people already do, and worry about more police out there. i drive thousands of miles a month and almost never see a police car! so how are they going to enfore it. " The real crime is against the child in the car which then makes it a matter for social services, and then we go down the road of Cleveland a few years back with overzealous social workers taking children away from families for the flimsiest of reasons. The BMA report also suggested that the long term solution is re-educating smokers to the damage that smoking in confined places can do to a child's health, and that is how the upcoming campaign will be directed. That's something I support totally and I am a smoker. Legislating to make it a criminal offence doesn't address the issue of the parent ignoring the fact that his or her habit is harming the child. | |||
