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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Have you swallowed a specific ideology and just burp up various soundbites? Do you like to throw statistics and research into the mix? Do you align yourself with a right or left lean? Do you like to use your superior semantics to undercut the opposition? Do you like to accuse people of straw manning? Is it important to come back and answer each point clearly? Do you take the time to prepare your answers? Do you ever concede a point? Has anyone on here changed your mind? Do you have sparring partners on here?
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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Badly I guess, if it's something I believe in strongly I'll stick to my belief unless a well debated subject changes my mind. Which rarely happens if the subject is something I really believe in. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Badly I guess, if it's something I believe in strongly I'll stick to my belief unless a well debated subject changes my mind. Which rarely happens if the subject is something I really believe in. "
That’s not a bad approach at all. Stating your position and believing in it but open to persuasion, sounds good.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I like it when there are loads of people offering their advice at the same time. It gets frantic at times...
You know, a mass-debate"
Aw, and I was gonna say en-mass |
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There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I like it when there are loads of people offering their advice at the same time. It gets frantic at times...
You know, a mass-debate"
I love it when people tell other people what they think! That’s so helpful  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I will always play devils advocate. I go to the source for my information (I geek out on ONS). I will look at trends not just isolated data. I try to accept others points .. but may not always be as vocal that I have. I get frustrated when threads die ... it feels like someone has conceded without addmitting it. There are some posters I respect for their different views as they challenge me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't tend to join in unless something riles me.
There are enough interesting people making valid points I just read and ingest. "
Which subjects rile you?
By the way, I was thinking about you earlier today. Haven’t told you lately, but your body is stonkingly gorgeous. So thought I’d tell you I’m in lust with you. |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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"Badly I guess, if it's something I believe in strongly I'll stick to my belief unless a well debated subject changes my mind. Which rarely happens if the subject is something I really believe in.
That’s not a bad approach at all. Stating your position and believing in it but open to persuasion, sounds good. "
I was in a bebating team in my youth and had to debate things I had no belief in but still won the debate, I try and see both sides before I open my mouth unless something has really riled me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't tend to join in unless something riles me.
There are enough interesting people making valid points I just read and ingest.
Which subjects rile you?
By the way, I was thinking about you earlier today. Haven’t told you lately, but your body is stonkingly gorgeous. So thought I’d tell you I’m in lust with you. "
 thank you.
I guess I mostly get annoyed when there's a lack of humanity. Where people single out a group because of things beyond their control. The "look after your own" brigade. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I will always play devils advocate. I go to the source for my information (I geek out on ONS). I will look at trends not just isolated data. I try to accept others points .. but may not always be as vocal that I have. I get frustrated when threads die ... it feels like someone has conceded without addmitting it. There are some posters I respect for their different views as they challenge me. "
I used to love it when the ONS had the 24 hour helpline. I would call them at 1am when I couldn't sleep and get all my research done ready for the morning. It's not the same just looking at it online. 
OP, I don't debate much on here anymore and I avoid going to the gates of Hell in case I get sucked in.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I like it when there are loads of people offering their advice at the same time. It gets frantic at times...
You know, a mass-debate
Aw, and I was gonna say en-mass "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case ."
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too. |
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I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I will always play devils advocate. I go to the source for my information (I geek out on ONS). I will look at trends not just isolated data. I try to accept others points .. but may not always be as vocal that I have. I get frustrated when threads die ... it feels like someone has conceded without addmitting it. There are some posters I respect for their different views as they challenge me. "
Conversations on here will often lead me to reading recommended articles, I enjoy it when people point to sources and further reading references.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I SAY WHAT I WANT IN CAPITALS AND THEN SAY FACT. END OF.
Or sometimes I make a mature and considered reasonable reply and say things like “wot eva treva” "
Your opinion is welcome here. Fact. |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case .
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too. "
You are way more willing to see the bigger picture than I am . Although I’m happy to concede when I know I’m wrong , I won’t change my opinion of certain people , whether on here or in the real world . I can’t help but see that your way of seeing things (like officious and arrogance as maybe winding you up for the wrong reasons) , is a much better way , I can’t do that . I wish I could , but I just can’t .
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Badly I guess, if it's something I believe in strongly I'll stick to my belief unless a well debated subject changes my mind. Which rarely happens if the subject is something I really believe in.
That’s not a bad approach at all. Stating your position and believing in it but open to persuasion, sounds good.
I was in a bebating team in my youth and had to debate things I had no belief in but still won the debate, I try and see both sides before I open my mouth unless something has really riled me. "
Rational, awesome boobs and she bakes. You’re the whole package |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't tend to join in unless something riles me.
There are enough interesting people making valid points I just read and ingest.
Which subjects rile you?
By the way, I was thinking about you earlier today. Haven’t told you lately, but your body is stonkingly gorgeous. So thought I’d tell you I’m in lust with you.
thank you.
I guess I mostly get annoyed when there's a lack of humanity. Where people single out a group because of things beyond their control. The "look after your own" brigade."
Abso-fucking-lutely |
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"Have you swallowed a specific ideology and just burp up various soundbites? Do you like to throw statistics and research into the mix? Do you align yourself with a right or left lean? Do you like to use your superior semantics to undercut the opposition? Do you like to accuse people of straw manning? Is it important to come back and answer each point clearly? Do you take the time to prepare your answers? Do you ever concede a point? Has anyone on here changed your mind? Do you have sparring partners on here?
Who likes a mass debate?"
Unfortunately my general rule of healthy debate is a little impractical on line, but it's adaptable in concept.
In the real world; "you can't hear anything all the time your mouths open"
On line it's easy to give a knee jerk response without considering the opinion/view.
Sometimes in my head I can hear people typing a reply before the comment they're replying to has been posted.
*I may at times have been guilty of this.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I will always play devils advocate. I go to the source for my information (I geek out on ONS). I will look at trends not just isolated data. I try to accept others points .. but may not always be as vocal that I have. I get frustrated when threads die ... it feels like someone has conceded without addmitting it. There are some posters I respect for their different views as they challenge me.
I used to love it when the ONS had the 24 hour helpline. I would call them at 1am when I couldn't sleep and get all my research done ready for the morning. It's not the same just looking at it online.
OP, I don't debate much on here anymore and I avoid going to the gates of Hell in case I get sucked in.
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It’s a loss for us (although I have the utmost respect for why you don’t) as you are a very articulate and logical thinker. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I like rational debate - I like having my logic tested. "
You always add an interesting perspective. I agree with you and disagree with you in equal measure, but have a lot of respect for your view. |
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"I like rational debate - I like having my logic tested.
You always add an interesting perspective. I agree with you and disagree with you in equal measure, but have a lot of respect for your view. "
Haha thanks, yes we often don't see eye to eye but I like your thought provoking threads. |
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I tend to only debate subjects I'm passionate about, which isn't always a good thing, as you can be too passionate about something and that can cloud objectivity.
However, I generally try to use an evidence-based argument that is factual and supported by data. To coin the phrase, I don't turn up to a gunfight with a knife, I'd rather pick my battles.
That said, I'm actually quite happy to be proven wrong, as I see it as an opportunity to learn and grow. I'm always mystified by people that refuse to change their mind - even if you present them with the facts and they actually concede they are wrong (rare, I know) but still maintain the same belief because "I just believe what I believe, y'know?"
I think it's part of the issue that we have with debating as a society in general - people tie-in their identity with their beliefs and ideas, and so it becomes a threat to them personally when the facts disagree with them.
I prefer the Keynes approach: "when the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do?" |
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No one debates anymore. It's the age of the social justice warrior and appeals to emotion are now the king of every argument.
It used to be that pulling out an emotional issue that had no facts or figures to back up your point, lost you the debate.
Simpsons used to even make fun of it "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!", but now that is actually how people debate, think of the poor children seperated from their parents.
No offer of facts, of who started it, of how to stop it, of costs, nothing offered but "think of the children", and anyone who disagrees is a monster.
So now you don't debate, you state an opinion and get blocked by everyone calling you an asshole, and thats about it. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
I tend to try and provide a considered, honest and non-judgemental view based on my own knowledge, perceptions and opinion whilst trying to remain respectful to someone with an opposing view (which isn't always easy on here).
I don't dress things up or say things I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone if we were face to face either.
I also accept that not everyone will agree with me and am prepared to listen and adjust my view in the face of a reasoned argument against it. |
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Don’t normally join in or take a particular standpoint with debates. Sometimes I will offer alternative scenarios but generally keep to the trivial and jovial threads. Debating ultimately gets out of hand if you get two opposing viewpoints who believe passionately about what they are discussing. There are alternative platforms for such discussions. This site for us is about escapism and frivolity.
Peace, love and Victoria sponge to all.  |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case ."
There are some people who totally bring out the worst in me too! |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case .
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too. "
You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case .
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too.
You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think "
Who me ?
Or Estella ? |
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"Have you swallowed a specific ideology and just burp up various soundbites?
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No but i know some people who do
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Do you like to throw statistics and research into the mix?
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You called
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Do you align yourself with a right or left lean? Do you like to use your superior semantics to undercut the opposition? Do you like to accuse people of straw manning? Is it important to come back and answer each point clearly? Do you take the time to prepare your answers? Do you ever concede a point? Has anyone on here changed your mind? Do you have sparring partners on here?
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Kinky-london-whats-his-face 
He puts up a good fight |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case .
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too.
You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think "
James O'Brian the King of strawman arguements. He's the epitome of a ideologue. Not even the smartest guy on LBC! In my opinion. |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case .
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too.
You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think
Who me ?
Or Estella ? "
Not you guys ... sorry if you thought that it was meant in your direction |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case .
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too.
You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think
Who me ?
Or Estella ?
Not you guys ... sorry if you thought that it was meant in your direction "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works. "
You make a lot of sense. And technically I think it’s important to understand the other perspective. Does it ever bother you that people will be left thinking you do believe in a view you don’t? |
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"James O'Brian the King of strawman arguements. He's the epitome of a ideologue. Not even the smartest guy on LBC! In my opinion. "
You made a spelling error, therefore that renders your entire position invalid im afraid
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works.
You make a lot of sense. And technically I think it’s important to understand the other perspective. Does it ever bother you that people will be left thinking you do believe in a view you don’t? "
Wtf? How is this even a ?
Snowflakes eh lol |
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"James O'Brian the King of strawman arguements. He's the epitome of a ideologue. Not even the smartest guy on LBC! In my opinion.
You made a spelling error, therefore that renders your entire position invalid im afraid
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Oh, did i misspell 'smarmy cunt'? That's what i was trying to say about him |
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"James O'Brian the King of strawman arguements. He's the epitome of a ideologue. Not even the smartest guy on LBC! In my opinion.
You made a spelling error, therefore that renders your entire position invalid im afraid
Oh, did i misspell 'smarmy cunt'? That's what i was trying to say about him "
Yep... stuck up his arse or ‘smarmy cunt’ lol
He’s a complete cunt |
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"There are one or two people who I really can’t get on with on these forums . When I’m sparring with one in particular , I find myself consistently putting a post up in response , and deleting it a few minutes later . I don’t want to feel the way I do , and I remember the forum rules , so delete and rethink . No matter what the subject matter we aren’t going to see eye to eye , and I’m really trying to avoid certain threads so it doesn’t happen .
Aside from that , I generally just say what I think , sometimes using statistics , sometimes knowledge I’ve gleaned over the years , and sometimes I use google to help me .
I often concede if I’m wrong , and have no problem apologising if that’s the case .
I’ve been surprised at how I’ve discovered that I like such a range of people on here, even when I don’t always agree with them. There are two in particular that I found officious and arrogant in their posting and my gut reaction was an instant dislike. They’re now two people I enjoy talking to a lot, I realised that actually what was happening for me (certainly not saying it’s the case with all people, or in your specific case) was that they were triggering thoughts and responses on things that I was uncomfortable with, and I felt threatened by and most often I actually hadn’t listened or got to understand their view before I reacted, or how they had formed it factually based on what I had or hadn’t said first.
I always find your view interesting (by the way it wasn’t you I was referring to, just to clarify) and am keen to hear your opinion. I sometimes disagree with you but I have respect for your view, and I have seen you concede and respectfully acknowledge changes in your mind on threads so know that to be true too.
You are way more willing to see the bigger picture than I am . Although I’m happy to concede when I know I’m wrong , I won’t change my opinion of certain people , whether on here or in the real world . I can’t help but see that your way of seeing things (like officious and arrogance as maybe winding you up for the wrong reasons) , is a much better way , I can’t do that . I wish I could , but I just can’t .
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I don't always agree with you, Estella and I am not always in the mood for some of the deeper topics you like to introduce. But you have often made me think, sometimes in agreement, sometimes not, sometimes giving me points with a perspective I can concede or compromise on once considered. But whether similar or poles apart, the thing I have thought most often is how I would love to podge you up the chuff.
I must now away to cogitate. |
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"Have you swallowed a specific ideology and just burp up various soundbites? Do you like to throw statistics and research into the mix? Do you align yourself with a right or left lean? Do you like to use your superior semantics to undercut the opposition? Do you like to accuse people of straw manning? Is it important to come back and answer each point clearly? Do you take the time to prepare your answers? Do you ever concede a point? Has anyone on here changed your mind? Do you have sparring partners on here?
Who likes a mass debate?
Unfortunately my general rule of healthy debate is a little impractical on line, but it's adaptable in concept.
In the real world; "you can't hear anything all the time your mouths open"
On line it's easy to give a knee jerk response without considering the opinion/view.
Sometimes in my head I can hear people typing a reply before the comment they're replying to has been posted.
*I may at times have been guilty of this. "
That’s a good point, the delay in typing to posting, and the isolation from where you’re sitting typing are further barriers. |
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"I like rational debate - I like having my logic tested.
You always add an interesting perspective. I agree with you and disagree with you in equal measure, but have a lot of respect for your view.
Haha thanks, yes we often don't see eye to eye but I like your thought provoking threads. "
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"I tend to only debate subjects I'm passionate about, which isn't always a good thing, as you can be too passionate about something and that can cloud objectivity.
However, I generally try to use an evidence-based argument that is factual and supported by data. To coin the phrase, I don't turn up to a gunfight with a knife, I'd rather pick my battles.
That said, I'm actually quite happy to be proven wrong, as I see it as an opportunity to learn and grow. I'm always mystified by people that refuse to change their mind - even if you present them with the facts and they actually concede they are wrong (rare, I know) but still maintain the same belief because "I just believe what I believe, y'know?"
I think it's part of the issue that we have with debating as a society in general - people tie-in their identity with their beliefs and ideas, and so it becomes a threat to them personally when the facts disagree with them.
I prefer the Keynes approach: "when the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do?""
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"No one debates anymore. It's the age of the social justice warrior and appeals to emotion are now the king of every argument.
It used to be that pulling out an emotional issue that had no facts or figures to back up your point, lost you the debate.
Simpsons used to even make fun of it "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!", but now that is actually how people debate, think of the poor children seperated from their parents.
No offer of facts, of who started it, of how to stop it, of costs, nothing offered but "think of the children", and anyone who disagrees is a monster.
So now you don't debate, you state an opinion and get blocked by everyone calling you an asshole, and thats about it."
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Estella says....”You make a lot of sense. And technically I think it’s important to understand the other perspective. Does it ever bother you that people will be left thinking you do believe in a view you don’t? "
Wtf? How is this even a ?
.. but doesn’t respond?
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"I tend to try and provide a considered, honest and non-judgemental view based on my own knowledge, perceptions and opinion whilst trying to remain respectful to someone with an opposing view (which isn't always easy on here).
I don't dress things up or say things I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone if we were face to face either.
I also accept that not everyone will agree with me and am prepared to listen and adjust my view in the face of a reasoned argument against it."
Yes, I absolutely would say anything I say on here in person too. I think that’s important. |
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"Don’t normally join in or take a particular standpoint with debates. Sometimes I will offer alternative scenarios but generally keep to the trivial and jovial threads. Debating ultimately gets out of hand if you get two opposing viewpoints who believe passionately about what they are discussing. There are alternative platforms for such discussions. This site for us is about escapism and frivolity.
Peace, love and Victoria sponge to all. "
I understand what you’re saying, I rather enjoy reading or taking part in an empassioned discussion though.
Occasionally I even find it damned erotic. |
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You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think "
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"Have you swallowed a specific ideology and just burp up various soundbites?
No but i know some people who do
Do you like to throw statistics and research into the mix?
You called
Do you align yourself with a right or left lean? Do you like to use your superior semantics to undercut the opposition? Do you like to accuse people of straw manning? Is it important to come back and answer each point clearly? Do you take the time to prepare your answers? Do you ever concede a point? Has anyone on here changed your mind? Do you have sparring partners on here?
Kinky-london-whats-his-face
He puts up a good fight"
I did call. I missed you.
KinkyLondonpair does, agreed. |
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works.
You make a lot of sense. And technically I think it’s important to understand the other perspective. Does it ever bother you that people will be left thinking you do believe in a view you don’t?
Wtf? How is this even a ?
Snowflakes eh lol"
Not sure what you’re saying here. You seem to be offended by something though. |
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You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think
What makes you feel that about me? "
Just think you talk a lot but say nothing...
Not personal... just an opinion as you would say |
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"I don't always agree with you, Estella and I am not always in the mood for some of the deeper topics you like to introduce. But you have often made me think, sometimes in agreement, sometimes not, sometimes giving me points with a perspective I can concede or compromise on once considered. But whether similar or poles apart, the thing I have thought most often is how I would love to podge you up the chuff.
I must now away to cogitate."
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generally by this time of an evening , I have had a couple of glasses of wine, and usually end up offending lots of people, especially if they are defending their reasons for being fat .
Doh done it again !! |
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Estella says....”You make a lot of sense. And technically I think it’s important to understand the other perspective. Does it ever bother you that people will be left thinking you do believe in a view you don’t? "
Wtf? How is this even a ?
.. but doesn’t respond?
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Okay, you’re amazed by something hence the “wtf”, you think something is not even a question, which bit? And who doesn’t respond? Me? Or Clem?
If you meant me, I was away for a while FaceTiming with the Scottish fella I fancy. I’m back now and have responded to your first interjection to ask for clarity. I’m afraid my second response is also asking for more clarity.
What’s your point? If I understand you then I can answer you. |
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You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think
What makes you feel that about me?
Just think you talk a lot but say nothing...
Not personal... just an opinion as you would say "
But what makes me one of the so called Offended generation?
Ask me a question and I’ll answer. Right now I’m just holding a thread where I’m reading others responses. Nothing hugely controversial to say. Apart from that you seem a little agitated, and are you okay? |
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"I tend to only debate subjects I'm passionate about, which isn't always a good thing, as you can be too passionate about something and that can cloud objectivity.
However, I generally try to use an evidence-based argument that is factual and supported by data. To coin the phrase, I don't turn up to a gunfight with a knife, I'd rather pick my battles.
That said, I'm actually quite happy to be proven wrong, as I see it as an opportunity to learn and grow. I'm always mystified by people that refuse to change their mind - even if you present them with the facts and they actually concede they are wrong (rare, I know) but still maintain the same belief because "I just believe what I believe, y'know?"
I think it's part of the issue that we have with debating as a society in general - people tie-in their identity with their beliefs and ideas, and so it becomes a threat to them personally when the facts disagree with them.
I prefer the Keynes approach: "when the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do?""
Yup, I agree. |
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"generally by this time of an evening , I have had a couple of glasses of wine, and usually end up offending lots of people, especially if they are defending their reasons for being fat .
Doh done it again !!"
Well yes, being provocatively offensive can cause offence. |
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You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think
What makes you feel that about me?
Just think you talk a lot but say nothing...
Not personal... just an opinion as you would say
But what makes me one of the so called Offended generation?
Ask me a question and I’ll answer. Right now I’m just holding a thread where I’m reading others responses. Nothing hugely controversial to say. Apart from that you seem a little agitated, and are you okay? "
Yep perfectly fine...
I think we should agree to disagree |
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You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think
What makes you feel that about me?
Just think you talk a lot but say nothing...
Not personal... just an opinion as you would say
But what makes me one of the so called Offended generation?
Ask me a question and I’ll answer. Right now I’m just holding a thread where I’m reading others responses. Nothing hugely controversial to say. Apart from that you seem a little agitated, and are you okay?
Yep perfectly fine...
I think we should agree to disagree "
Okay, I was hoping to actually understand your reasoning. But that’s okay if you don’t want to. |
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You need to listen to James O’Brian on LBC...
I get what you say but just feel your another one of our infamous ‘Offended’ generation...
He’s right up your alley I think
What makes you feel that about me?
Just think you talk a lot but say nothing...
Not personal... just an opinion as you would say
But what makes me one of the so called Offended generation?
Ask me a question and I’ll answer. Right now I’m just holding a thread where I’m reading others responses. Nothing hugely controversial to say. Apart from that you seem a little agitated, and are you okay?
Yep perfectly fine...
I think we should agree to disagree
Okay, I was hoping to actually understand your reasoning. But that’s okay if you don’t want to. "
No point reasoning with the unreasonable ...
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"generally by this time of an evening , I have had a couple of glasses of wine, and usually end up offending lots of people, especially if they are defending their reasons for being fat .
Doh done it again !!"
We should have one of those little zipped mouth emojis on here, I urgently need one. |
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You make a lot of sense. And technically I think it’s important to understand the other perspective. Does it ever bother you that people will be left thinking you do believe in a view you don’t?
"  "
You said the above earlier ...,
I get it but don’t if that will ever make sense |
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I generally give my opinion that's based on the best that I know but don't usually try to win a debate here, except if it's in the political section - even then I'm similar but will outline my data and evidence.
I'm open to discussion and am unlikely to have my best formed opinion at this point.
People wanting to argue are likely to be disappointed as i won't argue if that's their objective - I'll add info to consider and then it's up to you. |
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"I stay out of it unless it's something I care about, and then I just get angry
This for me too. I get irrational when passionate about something.
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I don't think it's a bad thing though, I think the world needs passionate and angry people right now.
As long as I agree with what they're passionate and angry about, of course. |
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When reality trolls your political expectations time to sit back and watch the fireworks of impending stupidity. Was impressed by Sarah Churchwell's style of sticking to facts and yes she's dreamy too  |
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works.
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You don't seem to have started any threads like this for a while. |
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"Have you swallowed a specific ideology and just burp up various soundbites? Do you like to throw statistics and research into the mix? Do you align yourself with a right or left lean? Do you like to use your superior semantics to undercut the opposition? Do you like to accuse people of straw manning? Is it important to come back and answer each point clearly? Do you take the time to prepare your answers? Do you ever concede a point? Has anyone on here changed your mind? Do you have sparring partners on here?
Who likes a mass debate?
Unfortunately my general rule of healthy debate is a little impractical on line, but it's adaptable in concept.
In the real world; "you can't hear anything all the time your mouths open"
On line it's easy to give a knee jerk response without considering the opinion/view.
Sometimes in my head I can hear people typing a reply before the comment they're replying to has been posted.
*I may at times have been guilty of this.
That’s a good point, the delay in typing to posting, and the isolation from where you’re sitting typing are further barriers. "
If I've made a good point I should probably go for a lay down....
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works.
You make a lot of sense. And technically I think it’s important to understand the other perspective. Does it ever bother you that people will be left thinking you do believe in a view you don’t? "
Nah. It's only fab. |
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works.
You don't seem to have started any threads like this for a while. "
Here's one. Notice how it ends up being about me not the subject.... tackling the player. Not playing the ball.
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/767258 |
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"Have you swallowed a specific ideology and just burp up various soundbites? Do you like to throw statistics and research into the mix? Do you align yourself with a right or left lean? Do you like to use your superior semantics to undercut the opposition? Do you like to accuse people of straw manning? Is it important to come back and answer each point clearly? Do you take the time to prepare your answers? Do you ever concede a point? Has anyone on here changed your mind? Do you have sparring partners on here?
Who likes a mass debate?"
No. No. Yes. Yes. No. No. No. Yes. Yes. No. Some do, some don't. |
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works.
You don't seem to have started any threads like this for a while.
Here's one. Notice how it ends up being about me not the subject.... tackling the player. Not playing the ball.
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/767258"
A lot of threads end up like that. Even if the OP is phrased as a question it often becomes personal. 
Depending on who the OP is. |
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Incase it isn't already obvious, I wing it. It isn't important to me to win a debate. But if I instinctively feel it's a bit fishy I'll drop a relatively unthought out post in just to see what it turns up. From there I'll just explore my curiosity for the issues emerging until I'm spent.
I'm often wrong and learn something in the process of arguing. But I'd be lying if I claimed I didn't have an intellectual agenda on most of the threads where I get drawn into a debate on. But I'm happy to concede when I've been wrong. In the end, as in life, it's more important to me to make or stay friends than to win an argument. Of course, what I try to strive for is both. That's me |
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"I tend to argue obnoxious positions that i don't agree with. Just to see what happens. I believe that if you can't argue from the counter position how do you really know what you're fighting against? Eg, no one likes Donald trump. So does everyone know why not? And can they understand why conversely, so many people do. So argue as if you like him, then you might find out why you shouldn't. You might also start to understand why people do. Unfortunately on fab this rarely works.
You don't seem to have started any threads like this for a while.
Here's one. Notice how it ends up being about me not the subject.... tackling the player. Not playing the ball.
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/767258
A lot of threads end up like that. Even if the OP is phrased as a question it often becomes personal.
Depending on who the OP is. "
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