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So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
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over a year ago
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I thought it was staged the 1st time I saw it too. I'm sorry but there was no need for that guy to climb the other guy was easily capable of rescuing the child himself |
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"I thought it was staged the 1st time I saw it too. I'm sorry but there was no need for that guy to climb the other guy was easily capable of rescuing the child himself "
I checked. An average 4 year old weighs 18kg. For fucks sake, half the forum could bicep curl that on a good day. |
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"I think you should stop watching viral videos as they clearly wind you up lol
It's checking the BBC in the morning that does it"
Ah then I don't think the BBC should be promoting viral videos like that.... That's more a newsbeat type story. The BBC is certainly dumbing down its content of late. |
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"I think you should stop watching viral videos as they clearly wind you up lol
It's checking the BBC in the morning that does it"
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"I think you should stop watching viral videos as they clearly wind you up lol
It's checking the BBC in the morning that does it
Ah then I don't think the BBC should be promoting viral videos like that.... That's more a newsbeat type story. The BBC is certainly dumbing down its content of late. "
Well the French PM is making him a citizen over it all. But yes the BBC is still dumbed down massively. But it's free /prepaid |
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"Wouldn't surprise me. Someone probably making money out of it being shared. Haven't the BBC got enough news to report at the moment. "
Do you like BBC? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think? "
there was a big gate between the people in the next flat and the kid which is why they couldn't reach him...
but its nice to know there are still so many sceprtical people around... |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
there was a big gate between the people in the next flat and the kid which is why they couldn't reach him...
but its nice to know there are still so many sceprtical people around..."
Ok but you're ignoring the fact that one guy manage to climb across 4 of those (including going sideways) whilst the first guy couldn't climb over one and scoot across??? Hardly a barrier that would stop a midly brave man. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Ok but you're ignoring the fact that one guy manage to climb across 4 of those (including going sideways) whilst the first guy couldn't climb over one and scoot across??? Hardly a barrier that would stop a midly brave man. "
you mean five floors up and one slip if you make one slip it could mean your death as well as the death of the kid....
i am not going to deny the absolutely courage and bravery of the person who climbed up and did it and they deserve all the honors and medals they get... but i am not going to criticise someone who didn't want to take that risk
if so do we critise all the bystanders for not doing what the chap did as well? |
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Ok but you're ignoring the fact that one guy manage to climb across 4 of those (including going sideways) whilst the first guy couldn't climb over one and scoot across??? Hardly a barrier that would stop a midly brave man.
you mean five floors up and one slip if you make one slip it could mean your death as well as the death of the kid....
i am not going to deny the absolutely courage and bravery of the person who climbed up and did it and they deserve all the honors and medals they get... but i am not going to criticise someone who didn't want to take that risk
if so do we critise all the bystanders for not doing what the chap did as well?"
Personally I'd die of embarrassment if i was that first guy. I think he set up and has something preventing the kid from falling. |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
there was a big gate between the people in the next flat and the kid which is why they couldn't reach him...
but its nice to know there are still so many sceprtical people around..."
Skepticism is good and healthy.
But actually, seeing as how my cousing is a fireman, his view is that the gate was in the way of the guy being able to securely heft the kid over. He could try but if the guy lost his grip. Game over.
His perspective is that if the guy called emergency services they probably advised him to keep ahold of the kid and that he should not climb the gate and instead resassure the child and try to keep it calm.
There is a chance it could be staged. Or it could be genuine heroism. Lets hope it was the latter. |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think? "
Migrant ?? He is human being with brave and kind heart..  |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think? "
My sister sent me this yesterday. My first thought was why didn't the other guy pull him up. Apparently it's a glass balcony and there was no way for the man to lift the child over it.
I said to my sister by lunch time tomorrow he'll no longer be a hero but an asylum seeker/refugee who staged the whole thing because heaven forbid a black person is ever shown in a positive light.
So said... |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
there was a big gate between the people in the next flat and the kid which is why they couldn't reach him...
but its nice to know there are still so many sceprtical people around...
Skepticism is good and healthy.
But actually, seeing as how my cousing is a fireman, his view is that the gate was in the way of the guy being able to securely heft the kid over. He could try but if the guy lost his grip. Game over.
His perspective is that if the guy called emergency services they probably advised him to keep ahold of the kid and that he should not climb the gate and instead resassure the child and try to keep it calm.
There is a chance it could be staged. Or it could be genuine heroism. Lets hope it was the latter."
So does the first guy have hold of the kid? I couldn't tell if they were touching |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
Migrant ?? He is human being with brave and kind heart.. "
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
My sister sent me this yesterday. My first thought was why didn't the other guy pull him up. Apparently it's a glass balcony and there was no way for the man to lift the child over it.
I said to my sister by lunch time tomorrow he'll no longer be a hero but an asylum seeker/refugee who staged the whole thing because heaven forbid a black person is ever shown in a positive light.
So said..."
The kid weighs about 18kg, that's really easy to lift. |
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I'll have to say it did look odd, though in fairness maybe they were panic stricken and didn't wish to risk it?
Though how on earth did the kid get there?? |
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Im also wondering who was supposedly looking after this child. There were cars beeping their horns and lot's of street noise, surely anyone inside the flat would have come outside to look what was happening. Are we supposed to believe the boy was left home alone at 4? |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
My sister sent me this yesterday. My first thought was why didn't the other guy pull him up. Apparently it's a glass balcony and there was no way for the man to lift the child over it.
I said to my sister by lunch time tomorrow he'll no longer be a hero but an asylum seeker/refugee who staged the whole thing because heaven forbid a black person is ever shown in a positive light.
So said...
The kid weighs about 18kg, that's really easy to lift. "
So you could hold a child from underneath a glass balcony and pull him through a four/five inch gap/stretch your arms over the balcony a la Mr Fantastic style?
Wow!!! Go you! |
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"Im also wondering who was supposedly looking after this child. There were cars beeping their horns and lot's of street noise, surely anyone inside the flat would have come outside to look what was happening. Are we supposed to believe the boy was left home alone at 4?"
The father had gone shopping and left the child alone. Did you actually read the article? |
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I don't mind if it was staged or not - the guy risked his life and did save a small child. I was impressed with his ease of getting up there too. It did seem a little strange that a guy was close - but I can also imagine he was perhaps too frightened to reach for the child, in case he didn't save him but caused him to fall. |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
there was a big gate between the people in the next flat and the kid which is why they couldn't reach him...
but its nice to know there are still so many sceprtical people around...
Skepticism is good and healthy.
But actually, seeing as how my cousing is a fireman, his view is that the gate was in the way of the guy being able to securely heft the kid over. He could try but if the guy lost his grip. Game over.
His perspective is that if the guy called emergency services they probably advised him to keep ahold of the kid and that he should not climb the gate and instead resassure the child and try to keep it calm.
There is a chance it could be staged. Or it could be genuine heroism. Lets hope it was the latter.
So does the first guy have hold of the kid? I couldn't tell if they were touching"
In the short cimp ive seen its a mixture of touching and holding the sleeve.
At the end of the day the proceeduee holds true.
Dont climb the gate: if you knock it over or it breaks its a risk to the child or an obsticle to the professionals.
Stay within eye contact of the child. Psycholgically it reduces the risk of a human panicing and putting themselves in more danger.
Stay where you are as emergency responders might ask for your help in clearing the area or an update. |
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"I don't mind if it was staged or not - the guy risked his life and did save a small child. I was impressed with his ease of getting up there too. It did seem a little strange that a guy was close - but I can also imagine he was perhaps too frightened to reach for the child, in case he didn't save him but caused him to fall."
He was holding onto him from under a glass balcony. I just don't know how the child got there and managed to hold on at all! |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
My sister sent me this yesterday. My first thought was why didn't the other guy pull him up. Apparently it's a glass balcony and there was no way for the man to lift the child over it.
I said to my sister by lunch time tomorrow he'll no longer be a hero but an asylum seeker/refugee who staged the whole thing because heaven forbid a black person is ever shown in a positive light.
So said...
The kid weighs about 18kg, that's really easy to lift.
So you could hold a child from underneath a glass balcony and pull him through a four/five inch gap/stretch your arms over the balcony a la Mr Fantastic style?
Wow!!! Go you! "
It's not clear if he's got hold of the kid or not. If i could grab the kid then i could definitely lift 18kg back over the side from that angle, yes. The man is leaning around the gate so i have no idea what five inch gap you are talking about. |
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"Would it have been a different story if it had was someone else who did the climbing and help? I'm assuming so for some  "
Yeah we hate blacks don't you know. That's why they are the only single guys we are looking for. Moronic statement. |
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"Im also wondering who was supposedly looking after this child. There were cars beeping their horns and lot's of street noise, surely anyone inside the flat would have come outside to look what was happening. Are we supposed to believe the boy was left home alone at 4?
The father had gone shopping and left the child alone. Did you actually read the article?"
Nope, just the video. Wow, that father is a complete scum bag. |
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"Would it have been a different story if it had was someone else who did the climbing and help? I'm assuming so for some "
If that guy was Ryan Gosling, naked. I’d still be asking questions why the parents couldn’t grab him  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Okay, I just watched it... his parents are like, right next to him! "
those are not his parents...
they were the neighbours in the next flat... and there is a big glass partition between them...... |
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"Okay, I just watched it... his parents are like, right next to him!
those are not his parents...
they were the neighbours in the next flat... and there is a big glass partition between them......"
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"Okay, I just watched it... his parents are like, right next to him!
those are not his parents...
they were the neighbours in the next flat... and there is a big glass partition between them......"
But surely they can still reach over and around the partition?
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Call me a miserable cynic but this very much looks like a staged stunt to showcase the rescuers free climbing adeptness (very impressive it is to as it happens and certainly far, far higher than the level of said skills an ‘average’ bystander is likely to possess)
If this is indeed the case, then endangering a child’s life for fifteen minutes of fame is utterly reprehensible to put it mildly.
I hope therefore that I am erroneous in my guess....but.... |
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I'm hoping that the parents learn something from this about their responsibilities. As the Mayor has commented, I'm assuming that it's not set-up. Amazing climbing and willingness to rescue the child. |
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"I think you should stop watching viral videos as they clearly wind you up lol
It's checking the BBC in the morning that does it
Shouldn’t look at cocks early in the morning "
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"Call me a miserable cynic but this very much looks like a staged stunt to showcase the rescuers free climbing adeptness (very impressive it is to as it happens and certainly far, far higher than the level of said skills an ‘average’ bystander is likely to possess)
If this is indeed the case, then endangering a child’s life for fifteen minutes of fame is utterly reprehensible to put it mildly.
I hope therefore that I am erroneous in my guess....but...."
I'm as cynical as the next person, but I struggle to see how parents would go off shopping and leave their child home alone/dangling from a balcony hoping their neighbours will notice in time for the bloke to get there to rescue the child for a publicity stunt. Usually the Mancheusen by proxy types are front and centre. The parents have nothing to gain making themselves look irresponsible.
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"Call me a miserable cynic but this very much looks like a staged stunt to showcase the rescuers free climbing adeptness (very impressive it is to as it happens and certainly far, far higher than the level of said skills an ‘average’ bystander is likely to possess)
If this is indeed the case, then endangering a child’s life for fifteen minutes of fame is utterly reprehensible to put it mildly.
I hope therefore that I am erroneous in my guess....but....
I'm as cynical as the next person, but I struggle to see how parents would go off shopping and leave their child home alone/dangling from a balcony hoping their neighbours will notice in time for the bloke to get there to rescue the child for a publicity stunt. Usually the Mancheusen by proxy types are front and centre. The parents have nothing to gain making themselves look irresponsible.
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Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though? |
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"Call me a miserable cynic but this very much looks like a staged stunt to showcase the rescuers free climbing adeptness (very impressive it is to as it happens and certainly far, far higher than the level of said skills an ‘average’ bystander is likely to possess)
If this is indeed the case, then endangering a child’s life for fifteen minutes of fame is utterly reprehensible to put it mildly.
I hope therefore that I am erroneous in my guess....but....
I'm as cynical as the next person, but I struggle to see how parents would go off shopping and leave their child home alone/dangling from a balcony hoping their neighbours will notice in time for the bloke to get there to rescue the child for a publicity stunt. Usually the Mancheusen by proxy types are front and centre. The parents have nothing to gain making themselves look irresponsible.
Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though? "
Wouldn't be the first time parents have a child alone to go out.
I for one would like to believe there is brave people out in the world willing to risk their life to save a child.
I guess I'm just an optimist that way |
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Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though? "
Change that to parents going for their dinner in a bar with an unlocked patio door next to a road and then add two more children, yep it happens |
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Having just watched the video, I did think at first why was the other man not trying to get to the child, but for the spiderman , wow, he did good. Loved the way he just yanked the kid in at the end |
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"So there's a viral video of a 4 year old kid hanging off a building and a young malian migrant climbs (impressively fast) up and sort of helps the child back over.
I can't help but assume the video was staged.
There are two adults closer to the boy who do precisely fuck all while the rescue is taking place. 4 years olds weigh precisely fuck all as well so why the first guy needs help lifting him is beyond my grasp a physics. They position the boy is in, you just think - how the flip do you end up there?
What does everyone else think?
there was a big gate between the people in the next flat and the kid which is why they couldn't reach him...
but its nice to know there are still so many sceprtical people around...
Ok but you're ignoring the fact that one guy manage to climb across 4 of those (including going sideways) whilst the first guy couldn't climb over one and scoot across??? Hardly a barrier that would stop a midly brave man. "
People react to situations in different ways, they in the next balcony probably didn’t have the mindset to put himself in danger to save the kid, the guy who climbed up did. Some people just act on impulse whereas other stop to think first which is when their bottle goes. The guy who climbed up said he could barely stand up once the kid was safe because the danger he’d been in hit him. Well done to that man, who the he’ll in their right mind is going to dangle a 4 year old off a balcony for the sake of a video. |
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I think may be we should be less cynical less distrustful and spend less time trying to criticise or find fault with the actions of others OP.
I think that sometimes people do good and right things because that's the way we are made.
I think we should be glad people put themselves at risk for others who they may not know.
I think I'm happy that one child is safe today...
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"Call me a miserable cynic but this very much looks like a staged stunt to showcase the rescuers free climbing adeptness (very impressive it is to as it happens and certainly far, far higher than the level of said skills an ‘average’ bystander is likely to possess)
If this is indeed the case, then endangering a child’s life for fifteen minutes of fame is utterly reprehensible to put it mildly.
I hope therefore that I am erroneous in my guess....but....
I'm as cynical as the next person, but I struggle to see how parents would go off shopping and leave their child home alone/dangling from a balcony hoping their neighbours will notice in time for the bloke to get there to rescue the child for a publicity stunt. Usually the Mancheusen by proxy types are front and centre. The parents have nothing to gain making themselves look irresponsible.
Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though?
Wouldn't be the first time parents have a child alone to go out.
I for one would like to believe there is brave people out in the world willing to risk their life to save a child.
I guess I'm just an optimist that way"
Having said this, I do feel sorry for the human race when our first instinct into seeing a living being in danger, is to pull out our phones and record it.
Instead, if we pulled together to help each other, we'd be in a much better situation |
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"Call me a miserable cynic but this very much looks like a staged stunt to showcase the rescuers free climbing adeptness (very impressive it is to as it happens and certainly far, far higher than the level of said skills an ‘average’ bystander is likely to possess)
If this is indeed the case, then endangering a child’s life for fifteen minutes of fame is utterly reprehensible to put it mildly.
I hope therefore that I am erroneous in my guess....but....
I'm as cynical as the next person, but I struggle to see how parents would go off shopping and leave their child home alone/dangling from a balcony hoping their neighbours will notice in time for the bloke to get there to rescue the child for a publicity stunt. Usually the Mancheusen by proxy types are front and centre. The parents have nothing to gain making themselves look irresponsible.
Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though? "
No it doesn't. It's the fact some people think they were in cahoots with this man I struggle with. |
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"Call me a miserable cynic but this very much looks like a staged stunt to showcase the rescuers free climbing adeptness (very impressive it is to as it happens and certainly far, far higher than the level of said skills an ‘average’ bystander is likely to possess)
If this is indeed the case, then endangering a child’s life for fifteen minutes of fame is utterly reprehensible to put it mildly.
I hope therefore that I am erroneous in my guess....but....
I'm as cynical as the next person, but I struggle to see how parents would go off shopping and leave their child home alone/dangling from a balcony hoping their neighbours will notice in time for the bloke to get there to rescue the child for a publicity stunt. Usually the Mancheusen by proxy types are front and centre. The parents have nothing to gain making themselves look irresponsible.
Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though?
Wouldn't be the first time parents have a child alone to go out.
I for one would like to believe there is brave people out in the world willing to risk their life to save a child.
I guess I'm just an optimist that way"
Nor would it be the first time an adult exploited a child on YouTube or someone staged a video. |
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"I think may be we should be less cynical less distrustful and spend less time trying to criticise or find fault with the actions of others OP.
I think that sometimes people do good and right things because that's the way we are made.
I think we should be glad people put themselves at risk for others who they may not know.
I think I'm happy that one child is safe today...
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Does your first paragraph refer to the people who tried to make this about race?
I'd hardly say the child is safe with parents so damn irresponsible. |
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With reference to my own comments on this story; Firstly, I do sincerely apologise if my cynicism caused any offence to anyone as it was certainly not intended.
My skepticism on the footage is based upon my knowledge of Free Climbing; It is a highly specialised art and it is overt from this perspective that the climber in question has some not inconsiderable practice in it.
The other factor which made me question the ‘official’ version of events is based purely on subjective logic; Given that the ‘neighbour’ is ostensibly holding the child to secure them to the railing, would it not have been a more sensible option for the rescuer to enter the building and grab them from the other side i.e from within the apartment?
Having said this, I fully accept that people don’t necessarily always opt for the most logical course of action in a crisis, as history has demonstrated time and time again.
Either way and whatever the truth, we can all at least agree that the safe rescue of the child is
the most important thing here |
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"With reference to my own comments on this story; Firstly, I do sincerely apologise if my cynicism caused any offence to anyone as it was certainly not intended.
My skepticism on the footage is based upon my knowledge of Free Climbing; It is a highly specialised art and it is overt from this perspective that the climber in question has some not inconsiderable practice in it.
The other factor which made me question the ‘official’ version of events is based purely on subjective logic; Given that the ‘neighbour’ is ostensibly holding the child to secure them to the railing, would it not have been a more sensible option for the rescuer to enter the building and grab them from the other side i.e from within the apartment?
Having said this, I fully accept that people don’t necessarily always opt for the most logical course of action in a crisis, as history has demonstrated time and time again.
Either way and whatever the truth, we can all at least agree that the safe rescue of the child is
the most important thing here "
It was a good climb. No doubt about that. |
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I don't think it was staged. Think he acted in the moment and fair play to him for taking the risk. Hardly think the French government would invite him to apply for citizenship if there was any hint of it being staged |
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"With reference to my own comments on this story; Firstly, I do sincerely apologise if my cynicism caused any offence to anyone as it was certainly not intended.
My skepticism on the footage is based upon my knowledge of Free Climbing; It is a highly specialised art and it is overt from this perspective that the climber in question has some not inconsiderable practice in it.
The other factor which made me question the ‘official’ version of events is based purely on subjective logic; Given that the ‘neighbour’ is ostensibly holding the child to secure them to the railing, would it not have been a more sensible option for the rescuer to enter the building and grab them from the other side i.e from within the apartment?
Having said this, I fully accept that people don’t necessarily always opt for the most logical course of action in a crisis, as history has demonstrated time and time again.
Either way and whatever the truth, we can all at least agree that the safe rescue of the child is
the most important thing here
It was a good climb. No doubt about that."
That’s all well and good but you assume he had access to the building, there was probably an outer gate, a communal door and then the apartment door he’d have to get through. I’ve been in these situations and instinct takes over. I rescued a woman who had jumped from a bridge into water, I could have ran 100 yards and untied a rowing boat but I didn’t I just dived in and swam out to her and pulled her to safety. People don’t think they just act. |
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"With reference to my own comments on this story; Firstly, I do sincerely apologise if my cynicism caused any offence to anyone as it was certainly not intended.
My skepticism on the footage is based upon my knowledge of Free Climbing; It is a highly specialised art and it is overt from this perspective that the climber in question has some not inconsiderable practice in it.
The other factor which made me question the ‘official’ version of events is based purely on subjective logic; Given that the ‘neighbour’ is ostensibly holding the child to secure them to the railing, would it not have been a more sensible option for the rescuer to enter the building and grab them from the other side i.e from within the apartment?
Having said this, I fully accept that people don’t necessarily always opt for the most logical course of action in a crisis, as history has demonstrated time and time again.
Either way and whatever the truth, we can all at least agree that the safe rescue of the child is
the most important thing here
It was a good climb. No doubt about that.
That’s all well and good but you assume he had access to the building, there was probably an outer gate, a communal door and then the apartment door he’d have to get through. I’ve been in these situations and instinct takes over. I rescued a woman who had jumped from a bridge into water, I could have ran 100 yards and untied a rowing boat but I didn’t I just dived in and swam out to her and pulled her to safety. People don’t think they just act. "
Absolutely true, and until you are actually in that situation you don't know how you'd act. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I doubt very much the French president would invite him round to the palace for a medal without first verifying the authenticity of what happened.
10 out of 10 to the young chap.
0 out of ten to whoever was meant to be looking after the kid. |
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"With reference to my own comments on this story; Firstly, I do sincerely apologise if my cynicism caused any offence to anyone as it was certainly not intended.
My skepticism on the footage is based upon my knowledge of Free Climbing; It is a highly specialised art and it is overt from this perspective that the climber in question has some not inconsiderable practice in it.
The other factor which made me question the ‘official’ version of events is based purely on subjective logic; Given that the ‘neighbour’ is ostensibly holding the child to secure them to the railing, would it not have been a more sensible option for the rescuer to enter the building and grab them from the other side i.e from within the apartment?
Having said this, I fully accept that people don’t necessarily always opt for the most logical course of action in a crisis, as history has demonstrated time and time again.
Either way and whatever the truth, we can all at least agree that the safe rescue of the child is
the most important thing here
It was a good climb. No doubt about that.
That’s all well and good but you assume he had access to the building, there was probably an outer gate, a communal door and then the apartment door he’d have to get through. I’ve been in these situations and instinct takes over. I rescued a woman who had jumped from a bridge into water, I could have ran 100 yards and untied a rowing boat but I didn’t I just dived in and swam out to her and pulled her to safety. People don’t think they just act.
Absolutely true, and until you are actually in that situation you don't know how you'd act."
I agree. It’s almost like an involuntary action, you just do it and think about it later. |
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I’ve just read the guy has been given citizenship, a bravery award and a job in the French fire service. Good on the French for rewarding him. We never see our government doing things like that for the average joe in the street. |
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Clearly sat behind your keyboard in the UK means you are right!
Unlike the people at the scene!
No the man was an hero, leave it out you just sound silly and a few with racist undertones.
Know who the better person is.
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over a year ago
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" Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though?
Change that to parents going for their dinner in a bar with an unlocked patio door next to a road and then add two more children, yep it happens"
I am glad you made that analogy because it is the one i have been using all day to make the same point..... |
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" Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though?
Change that to parents going for their dinner in a bar with an unlocked patio door next to a road and then add two more children, yep it happens
I am glad you made that analogy because it is the one i have been using all day to make the same point....."
Hardly as common as staged YouTube videos though. |
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" Doesn't the story that parents left a 4 year old home alone to go shopping, in a flat with an unlocked door to a balcony sound hard to believe though?
Change that to parents going for their dinner in a bar with an unlocked patio door next to a road and then add two more children, yep it happens
I am glad you made that analogy because it is the one i have been using all day to make the same point.....
Hardly as common as staged YouTube videos though. "
I doubt very much if it was staged, he’d have been outed long before his interview with the French president. If he was an accomplished free runner then he would already be known, YouTube videos and such like. Watch his interview with the president, he sounds quite bewildered by it all and is quite matter of fact. Staged my arse. |
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I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship" |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship""
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up. |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up. "
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it. |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up.
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it. "
The neighbour did grab hold of the child and was just about to pull them over to them but the other guyiterally rips him from their hand. At least that's what it looked like on the video.
Perhaps they need to come forward with their version of events. |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up.
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it. "
Look, give me proof that it was a hoax and I will admittedly say I'm sorry and i was wrong, but right now you skeptism is misplaced in my opinion |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship""
Exactly! |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up.
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it.
Look, give me proof that it was a hoax and I will admittedly say I'm sorry and i was wrong, but right now you skeptism is misplaced in my opinion "
I've never claimed to know if it was hoaked or not, i started this thread to discuss it since the footage isn't the clearest. Your fear of discussion is what's misplaced. |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up.
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it.
The neighbour did grab hold of the child and was just about to pull them over to them but the other guyiterally rips him from their hand. At least that's what it looked like on the video.
Perhaps they need to come forward with their version of events. "
Careful now, you'll get called a racist for airing thoughts like that |
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"Yeah I had a feeling it was staged and he's conveniently got citizenship
There's probably easier ways than risking a child's life to be fair
Why they risk life and lim to get here
Here?
Europe"
Good save lol |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up.
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it.
The neighbour did grab hold of the child and was just about to pull them over to them but the other guyiterally rips him from their hand. At least that's what it looked like on the video.
Perhaps they need to come forward with their version of events.
Careful now, you'll get called a racist for airing thoughts like that "
How?! Lol |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up.
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it.
The neighbour did grab hold of the child and was just about to pull them over to them but the other guyiterally rips him from their hand. At least that's what it looked like on the video.
Perhaps they need to come forward with their version of events.
Careful now, you'll get called a racist for airing thoughts like that
How?! Lol "
Because apparently the only reason we'd think this video looks fake is because we can't stand to see a black guy getting praise. Personally i just can't understand the role of the neighbour, for the reasons you said. That's putting aside the story that a father is stupid enough to leave his 4 year old home alone while he goes shopping in the day time. |
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"Yeah I had a feeling it was staged and he's conveniently got citizenship
There's probably easier ways than risking a child's life to be fair
Why they risk life and lim to get here
Here?
Europe
Good save lol "
He's got balls whether it was staged or not...I hate heights |
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"I very much doubt he stood at the bottom at the building and thought "hmmmm I could climb up and save that child, but hold on, the neighbour looks like he's got a hold of him, maybe I could go up the stairs and bust through god knows how many doors and ranomdly guess which apartment he's in, break in and pull him to safty"
And I also doubt, some guy said "do you want a citizenship? What we'll do is dangle my child over the side of a building and you climb up and save him, then the president, without asking for proof, will grant you said citizenship"
Exactly. People are so quick to posit conspiracies or set ups that they don't stop to consider the impracticalities/unlikeliness of such a set up.
It's the neighbour i find fishy. Remove him from the video and i wouldn't be questioning it.
The neighbour did grab hold of the child and was just about to pull them over to them but the other guyiterally rips him from their hand. At least that's what it looked like on the video.
Perhaps they need to come forward with their version of events.
Careful now, you'll get called a racist for airing thoughts like that
How?! Lol
Because apparently the only reason we'd think this video looks fake is because we can't stand to see a black guy getting praise. Personally i just can't understand the role of the neighbour, for the reasons you said. That's putting aside the story that a father is stupid enough to leave his 4 year old home alone while he goes shopping in the day time. "
He's got a French passport and a job as a fireman out if it, so maybe job done! |
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He reacted? quickly which meant he wasn't hesitating to get scared by the height he reached. The news said the child was on a small ledge which bought time for the rescue to be a success. A heroic deed and credit to him. |
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Just been reading that the child actually fell off the 6th floor and managed to grab hold of the 4th floor on the way down
Also that the father should have been home sooner but stopped to play Pokemon Go |
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"Just been reading that the child actually fell off the 6th floor and managed to grab hold of the 4th floor on the way down
Also that the father should have been home sooner but stopped to play Pokemon Go "
Nobody plays pokemon go in 2018 |
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"Just been reading that the child actually fell off the 6th floor and managed to grab hold of the 4th floor on the way down
Also that the father should have been home sooner but stopped to play Pokemon Go
Nobody plays pokemon go in 2018 "
Lol my friend does..... I thought she was the only one! |
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I saw the neighbour awkwardly reaching around the partition and grabbing hold of the child to stop it falling. He would have been off balance and not be able to get a good grip on the child- whose hands were gripping the ledge-to pull it up. I wouldn't have wanted to risk dropping it if it were me. |
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"Just been reading that the child actually fell off the 6th floor and managed to grab hold of the 4th floor on the way down
Also that the father should have been home sooner but stopped to play Pokemon Go
Nobody plays pokemon go in 2018
Lol my friend does..... I thought she was the only one! "
My wife was into it when it was cool. Then literally there was this rainy two week period and everyone stopped playing and never went back to it. Except this guy who also didn't see any reason to shut a window when leaving his son alone... how telling. |
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"Just been reading that the child actually fell off the 6th floor and managed to grab hold of the 4th floor on the way down
Also that the father should have been home sooner but stopped to play Pokemon Go
Nobody plays pokemon go in 2018
Lol my friend does..... I thought she was the only one!
My wife was into it when it was cool. Then literally there was this rainy two week period and everyone stopped playing and never went back to it. Except this guy who also didn't see any reason to shut a window when leaving his son alone... how telling. "
I've approached my sister in law's house to see her 3 yr old climb out of the first floor window and walk along the ledge to the other window. He thought it was fun.
I stood underneath the window screaming to my in laws to get upstairs and get the baby in from the window ledge.
I've known toddlers to move chairs and boxes to get to the top of cupboards to get matches to set their flat and house on fire.
All boys I add, possibly because they are more daring and adventurous than girls? |
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"As for the rescuer, I'm in awe of his strength and bravery.
I'm in awe of how good looking he is. He'll boost sales of the firemans calendar next year. "
I didn't look at his face. I'm going to find it now. |
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"As for the rescuer, I'm in awe of his strength and bravery.
I'm in awe of how good looking he is. He'll boost sales of the firemans calendar next year.
I didn't look at his face. I'm going to find it now. "
Meh, ok but not my idea of gorgeous. |
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"As for the rescuer, I'm in awe of his strength and bravery.
I'm in awe of how good looking he is. He'll boost sales of the firemans calendar next year.
I didn't look at his face. I'm going to find it now.
Meh, ok but not my idea of gorgeous. "
That's a handsome man right there. |
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"As for the rescuer, I'm in awe of his strength and bravery.
I'm in awe of how good looking he is. He'll boost sales of the firemans calendar next year.
I didn't look at his face. I'm going to find it now.
Meh, ok but not my idea of gorgeous.
That's a handsome man right there. "
Good looking. I've had more handsome |
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"Just been reading that the child actually fell off the 6th floor and managed to grab hold of the 4th floor on the way down
Also that the father should have been home sooner but stopped to play Pokemon Go
Nobody plays pokemon go in 2018
Lol my friend does..... I thought she was the only one!
My wife was into it when it was cool. Then literally there was this rainy two week period and everyone stopped playing and never went back to it. Except this guy who also didn't see any reason to shut a window when leaving his son alone... how telling. "
Clearly not everybody because my friend plays it every day  |
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Are some of you really suggesting that four adults (the absent parent, the two neighbours and the climber) conspired to hang a child from a balcony, confident that a fifth adult would film the daring rescue and then, by way of thanks the climber would be awarded citizenship as a thank you (which was their cunning intention all along)?
As a conspiracy it would be ridiculously elaborate, inexact and high risk.
How are they supposed to have attached the child to the balcony? What if the child kicked up a commotion as s/he was forced to hang from the ledge? What if s/he had fallen straight to the floor? Four adults ALL thought it was a risk worth taking? What if the reward wasn’t citizenship but “the key to the city” or some other symbolic award?
The guy is a brave man. I imagine they all did the best they could in the circumstances. I expect the neighbour didn’t have a confident grip on the child. They all saved a child’s life.
Conspiracy? Really? |
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"Are some of you really suggesting that four adults (the absent parent, the two neighbours and the climber) conspired to hang a child from a balcony, confident that a fifth adult would film the daring rescue and then, by way of thanks the climber would be awarded citizenship as a thank you (which was their cunning intention all along)?
As a conspiracy it would be ridiculously elaborate, inexact and high risk.
How are they supposed to have attached the child to the balcony? What if the child kicked up a commotion as s/he was forced to hang from the ledge? What if s/he had fallen straight to the floor? Four adults ALL thought it was a risk worth taking? What if the reward wasn’t citizenship but “the key to the city” or some other symbolic award?
The guy is a brave man. I imagine they all did the best they could in the circumstances. I expect the neighbour didn’t have a confident grip on the child. They all saved a child’s life.
Conspiracy? Really? "
I'm not suggesting the intention of staging the video was the foreknowledge that it would lead to citizenship. My assumption would be that they would be paid for the video.
What i find hard to believe is:
The father is irresponsible enough to leave a 4 year old at home and a window open,
And
The boy fell two floors to a balcony where the neighbour happened to be there / heard him in time to stop him falling further
And
The neighbour was not strong enough to lift him back over
And
This all took long enough that someone had time to film it
And
The father plays pokemon go.
Any one of those statements is highly unlikely. It's the all of them together that i find hard to believe. |
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Also that the father should have been home sooner but stopped to play Pokemon Go
Nobody plays pokemon go in 2018
Lol my friend does..... I thought she was the only one!
My wife was into it when it was cool. Then literally there was this rainy two week period and everyone stopped playing and never went back to it. Except this guy who also didn't see any reason to shut a window when leaving his son alone... how telling.
I've approached my sister in law's house to see her 3 yr old climb out of the first floor window and walk along the ledge to the other window. He thought it was fun.
I stood underneath the window screaming to my in laws to get upstairs and get the baby in from the window ledge.
I've known toddlers to move chairs and boxes to get to the top of cupboards to get matches to set their flat and house on fire.
All boys I add, possibly because they are more daring and adventurous than girls? "
I was in the garden with my husband and three children. My youngest was about two at the time. Our next door neighbours offered the children sweets over the fence and shortly afterwards I went inside to do some ironing. A little while later my husband came in and asked if our daughter was taking a nap. I looked at him puzzled and said I hadn't seen her.
We looked at each other and started searching the house: we couldn't find her and we both went into panic mode. It had only been three years since I buried my son, I can't begin to describe the dread. The front door was locked and she couldn't reach it anyway. I opened the door anyway to see my neighbour walking up the path holding my daughters hand, she only had her nappy on and her dad's slippers. She had gone next door for more sweets.
All kinds of scenarios went through my head...what would have happened if my neighbours door hadn't been open etc. Twenty three years later and I still have the chills.
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"Are some of you really suggesting that four adults (the absent parent, the two neighbours and the climber) conspired to hang a child from a balcony, confident that a fifth adult would film the daring rescue and then, by way of thanks the climber would be awarded citizenship as a thank you (which was their cunning intention all along)?
As a conspiracy it would be ridiculously elaborate, inexact and high risk.
How are they supposed to have attached the child to the balcony? What if the child kicked up a commotion as s/he was forced to hang from the ledge? What if s/he had fallen straight to the floor? Four adults ALL thought it was a risk worth taking? What if the reward wasn’t citizenship but “the key to the city” or some other symbolic award?
The guy is a brave man. I imagine they all did the best they could in the circumstances. I expect the neighbour didn’t have a confident grip on the child. They all saved a child’s life.
Conspiracy? Really?
I'm not suggesting the intention of staging the video was the foreknowledge that it would lead to citizenship. My assumption would be that they would be paid for the video.
What i find hard to believe is:
The father is irresponsible enough to leave a 4 year old at home and a window open,
And
The boy fell two floors to a balcony where the neighbour happened to be there / heard him in time to stop him falling further
And
The neighbour was not strong enough to lift him back over
And
This all took long enough that someone had time to film it
And
The father plays pokemon go.
Any one of those statements is highly unlikely. It's the all of them together that i find hard to believe. "
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