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A Boeing 767 has made an emergency landing at Warsaw airport after its landing gear failed to operat
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i know this is going to say flippant... but they are designed to do that....
actually the more interesting thing is that the fire brigade actaully put down the fire retardant foam down on the runway before it landed to help and to stop any fire...... which was smart... |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"i know this is going to say flippant... but they are designed to do that.... "
Actually, they are designed to land on wheels? They can at need land on the plane structure, but it is not recommended. And when landing on the plane structure, it takes bags more skill than a wheels down landing!
That plane came down and stayed straight. Everyone got off and that pilot ranks just behind C.B Sullenberger who landed US Airways flight 1549 on the Hudson River.
Either one for my next flight, please!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"my ex hubby is a pilot and flies 474-400 freighters round the world........... they are all highly trained to cope with any situation and are tested often with emergencies  "
2nd that, they may be hailed as heroes but ask anyone in the flying community, they are simply doing as they've trained to do hundreds of times in simulators. I agree the pressure may be on the pilots shoulders somewhat more but it's still a situation they should all be readily be able to cope with.
Fair play to the guy tho, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.  |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"my ex hubby is a pilot and flies 474-400 freighters round the world........... they are all highly trained to cope with any situation and are tested often with emergencies
2nd that, they may be hailed as heroes but ask anyone in the flying community, they are simply doing as they've trained to do hundreds of times in simulators. I agree the pressure may be on the pilots shoulders somewhat more but it's still a situation they should all be readily be able to cope with.
Fair play to the guy tho, any landing you can walk away from is a good one. "
But I have always found that the simulator is nowhere near as stressful as the real thing. When you are at coming into land and suddenly find you have no landing gear, it is totally different to having the same thing in a simulator! My friend had completed numerous “training flights” for the airline he flew for, but in the air on a joy ride in an exec jet, he said it scared him shitless! Nothing like the training!
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By *ustyWoman
over a year ago
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they always do the training in sims first and when they start to fly for real they have to do so many sectors with a training captain and then in time when they feel they are ready they then let them land and it take a few to get it right. i have had a few sleepless nights wondering if he was ok but now dont give a dam  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ragardless of training, regardless of what the plane is/is not designed to do - the pilot landed this plane in a safe and controlled manner and everyone walked off alive and uninjured.
Top marks to the crew and the folks on the ground and medals the size of dustbin lids are in order as far as I'm concerned ........
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Funny how people who know nothing at all about aviation / flight / aerodynamics think that recovering from anything out of the ordinary is almost miraculous.
Not so my friends. That landing profile could easily have been uploaded to the flight control system as the aircraft was circling overhead warsaw burning fuel. Even if it was a manual landing keeping straight on the runway with / without wheels is dependant only on the rudder at all but the slowest of speeds.
Makes good viewing though - I agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't like zombies their bits fall off!
no good for me"
Three zombies were playing cards, one threw his hand in and the other two laughed their heads off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't like zombies their bits fall off!
no good for me
Three zombies were playing cards, one threw his hand in and the other two laughed their heads off. "
See what I mean?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't like zombies their bits fall off!
no good for me
Three zombies were playing cards, one threw his hand in and the other two laughed their heads off.
See what I mean? "
yeahh honeypot, but the fact is u'd still diddle ur pie with my dismembered member i bet!!!! |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"Funny how people who know nothing at all about aviation / flight / aerodynamics think that recovering from anything out of the ordinary is almost miraculous.
Not so my friends. That landing profile could easily have been uploaded to the flight control system as the aircraft was circling overhead warsaw burning fuel. Even if it was a manual landing keeping straight on the runway with / without wheels is dependant only on the rudder at all but the slowest of speeds.
Makes good viewing though - I agree "
You want to piss on their parade? Go ahead! You want to look like it is just an every day thing that YOU know all about? Go ahead!
Yes, direction is changed with the rudder, but first it had to be landed with the attitude level or one of those engines would have been ripped off as in the Soux City crash. That cartwheeled and killed about half the people on board... Oh and it had ONLY rudder control!
This was a perfect landing as was the US Airways 1549 when it landed on the Hudson river! Or did Sullenberger use automation too??  |
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"Funny how people who know nothing at all about aviation / flight / aerodynamics think that recovering from anything out of the ordinary is almost miraculous.
Not so my friends. That landing profile could easily have been uploaded to the flight control system as the aircraft was circling overhead warsaw burning fuel. Even if it was a manual landing keeping straight on the runway with / without wheels is dependant only on the rudder at all but the slowest of speeds.
Makes good viewing though - I agree
You want to piss on their parade? Go ahead! You want to look like it is just an every day thing that YOU know all about? Go ahead!
Yes, direction is changed with the rudder, but first it had to be landed with the attitude level or one of those engines would have been ripped off as in the Soux City crash. That cartwheeled and killed about half the people on board... Oh and it had ONLY rudder control!
This was a perfect landing as was the US Airways 1549 when it landed on the Hudson river! Or did Sullenberger use automation too?? "
souix city crash was totally different all hydrolics had failed and the actuator controlling the rudder had virtually disintegrated after the third engine had failed and exploded. the only method they had of controlling direction-height and rate of decent was by a highly skilled 3rd pilot varying the power of the two remaing engines it was amazing it got anywhere near the airfield to be honest and a brilliant piece of flying despite the slight crosswind digging the wing in and as you say cartwheeling the aircraft.
The landing the OP refers to was different in that they had full aerilon control,full flaps ,engine power to control airspeed and it is a procedure which is simulated ad nauseum in different scenarios ,hats off to the pilots though it was textbook and it looks like the CRM training kicked in ....very slick and professional.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You want to piss on their parade? Go ahead! You want to look like it is just an every day thing that YOU know all about? Go ahead!
Yes, direction is changed with the rudder, but first it had to be landed with the attitude level or one of those engines would have been ripped off as in the Soux City crash. That cartwheeled and killed about half the people on board... Oh and it had ONLY rudder control!
This was a perfect landing as was the US Airways 1549 when it landed on the Hudson river! Or did Sullenberger use automation too?? "
Don't get your knickers in a twist
Sioux City - your facts are wrong. The aircraft had total failure of all hydraulics and the aircraft was flown by engine management alone. This mean't it had no lateral (wings up / wings down)stability and no elevation stability (nose up / nose down). The pilot maintained wings level as best he could by alternating engine thrust to increase/decrease lift. This landing was in fact one of the greatest piloting feats of all time because total failure of all three hydraulic systems had never been accounted for.
Hudson forced landing was another great bit of skill because the incident happened on take off meaning that the pilot had very little time to make decisions and react - he made all the right ones and hence deserves great credit.
The Warsaw emergency landing is totally different. The aircraft was fully serviceable and was flying overhead for a couple of hours enabling great preparation on the ground. The pilot (or automated system) did exactly what was needed and the big talking point would be had something gone wrong given the amount of preparation and having a fully servicable aircraft(landing gear aside).
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Jeezus, I don't think I've ever seen such a lot of knit picking, and to use someone elses words, pissing on other peoples parades, as I have on this thread.
For Gods sake, the aircraft had no wheels, and the pilots, or the automated system landed the plane and everyone got off unharmed.
Does it matter what the fine details are ? the important thing is that it landed safely and no-one was killed or injured and my hat comes off to all those who played a part, be it an aotomated system or otherwise. |
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"Jeezus, I don't think I've ever seen such a lot of knit picking, and to use someone elses words, pissing on other peoples parades, as I have on this thread.
For Gods sake, the aircraft had no wheels, and the pilots, or the automated system landed the plane and everyone got off unharmed.
Does it matter what the fine details are ? the important thing is that it landed safely and no-one was killed or injured and my hat comes off to all those who played a part, be it an aotomated system or otherwise."
Glad it wasn't just me that saw some of the posts like that.....well said. |
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