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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I haven't had flu and I have too get my flu jab .This winter I thought I would as been working alot and people been poorly with bad strain of flu thats killed elderly and vulnerable people .so i think people should get the flu jab in my opinion . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"i think it's a terrible idea to give it to people who don't need it. "
But is there less chance of you passing it on if you've been vaccinated against it? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Are you suggesting the forced medication of the population?
Surely it should down to an individual to make an informed choice about whether to take medication or not, not the state."
I'm asking and not suggesting  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i think it's a terrible idea to give it to people who don't need it.
But is there less chance of you passing it on if you've been vaccinated against it?"
i think it's better, if otherwise healthy, to make your immune system do as much work as possible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
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Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nature is trying to bump everybody off....I think it's time we stopped fighting it and accept our fate  "
I agree imagine if they cured cancer. We needppl to die to keep the numbers down |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to pass it on?"
*pass not speak doh  |
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
Stoke area |
"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?"
A fiver for every man , woman and child !!!!
So what shall we cancel ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?"
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nature is trying to bump everybody off....I think it's time we stopped fighting it and accept our fate
I agree imagine if they cured cancer. We needppl to die to keep the numbers down"
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Most people live shit pointless lives far detached from their connection to nature.... Its the main reason they cling on forever |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
A fiver for every man , woman and child !!!!
So what shall we cancel ? "
Well would it not be the hospitisation of flu victims? |
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"Are you suggesting the forced medication of the population?
Surely it should down to an individual to make an informed choice about whether to take medication or not, not the state."
Water is chlorinated and in some places has added flouride; people have no choice.
Parents in France will be legally obliged to vaccinate their children from 2018.
Society makes rules for the greater good of the population sometimes even if it conflicts with some personal freedoms (e.g. you must wear a seatbelt in a car).
In many situations people do not have the knowledge or capacity to make informed choices. Very few people will have a in depth scientific knowledge of immunology etc.
As for the flu vaccine it's efficacy is based on trying to guess which strains will become prevalent in the future; so it is often of limited use. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are you suggesting the forced medication of the population?
Surely it should down to an individual to make an informed choice about whether to take medication or not, not the state.
Water is chlorinated and in some places has added flouride; people have no choice.
Parents in France will be legally obliged to vaccinate their children from 2018.
Society makes rules for the greater good of the population sometimes even if it conflicts with some personal freedoms (e.g. you must wear a seatbelt in a car).
In many situations people do not have the knowledge or capacity to make informed choices. Very few people will have a in depth scientific knowledge of immunology etc.
As for the flu vaccine it's efficacy is based on trying to guess which strains will become prevalent in the future; so it is often of limited use."
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You can buy filters to take out the chlorine and the fluoride.
I have them in my house |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Are you suggesting the forced medication of the population?
Surely it should down to an individual to make an informed choice about whether to take medication or not, not the state.
Water is chlorinated and in some places has added flouride; people have no choice.
Parents in France will be legally obliged to vaccinate their children from 2018.
Society makes rules for the greater good of the population sometimes even if it conflicts with some personal freedoms (e.g. you must wear a seatbelt in a car).
In many situations people do not have the knowledge or capacity to make informed choices. Very few people will have a in depth scientific knowledge of immunology etc.
As for the flu vaccine it's efficacy is based on trying to guess which strains will become prevalent in the future; so it is often of limited use..
You can buy filters to take out the chlorine and the fluoride.
I have them in my house"
I think we are digressing from the op.
Can we keep it relevant to this please? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily."
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Re the car example, we have a choice whether to enter a car or not. If we do, there are rules. But still the choice has not been removed.
What would you do to an individual who refused to have a substance inserted in their body by the state? Send them to jail?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed "
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Polio is still alive and well although it was substantially cut back on in the West through vaccination.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed "
yes, and its been very successful, but we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses taking too many antibiotics already..i think unnecessary immunisation is not a good road to go down.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .  "
this! ive been a carer for 7 years and ive seen so many people hospitalised pointlessly for very minor illnesses, very often at the insistence of family. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
this! ive been a carer for 7 years and ive seen so many people hospitalised pointlessly for very minor illnesses, very often at the insistence of family."
I no exactly |
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?"
I understand your point of view, everyone gets vaccinated and then the virus disappears, but as the flu vaccination isn't 100% effective at preventing the flu that makes the idea pointless. People who are vulnerable should get it, that will reduce deaths and suffering. And people who have it should isolate themselves while they are infectious. |
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
I understand your point of view, everyone gets vaccinated and then the virus disappears, but as the flu vaccination isn't 100% effective at preventing the flu that makes the idea pointless. People who are vulnerable should get it, that will reduce deaths and suffering. And people who have it should isolate themselves while they are infectious."
Absolutely agree with this ! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home . "
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation? |
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation? "
A nursing home is full of nurses. Why send people to hospital.? Completely unnecesary. They can be cared for at the home. If they go to hospital with their infection, they then pass it on to the frail in hospital . Stay where they are with the nurses they know |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed
yes, and its been very successful, but we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses taking too many antibiotics already..i think unnecessary immunisation is not a good road to go down.."
Fair point
I'm not disagreeing with you....I just think there are differing views on this |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation? "
Yes these are the ones who should be hospitalised .Not the ones who just need antibiotics .People comming in from nursing homes who are constipated or dehydrated .This is neglect by the nursing homes and shouldn't need hospital admission is nurses in homes do jobs well . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
I understand your point of view, everyone gets vaccinated and then the virus disappears, but as the flu vaccination isn't 100% effective at preventing the flu that makes the idea pointless. People who are vulnerable should get it, that will reduce deaths and suffering. And people who have it should isolate themselves while they are infectious."
Ah but only if they would eh 
Some seem to get great joy on passing it on |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation?
Yes these are the ones who should be hospitalised .Not the ones who just need antibiotics .People comming in from nursing homes who are constipated or dehydrated .This is neglect by the nursing homes and shouldn't need hospital admission is nurses in homes do jobs well ."
I agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation? "
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A weak elderly person, my mother had the the cold going round last week, two days in bed and pretty much fine now... And she's 83 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation? .
A weak elderly person, my mother had the the cold going round last week, two days in bed and pretty much fine now... And she's 83 "
That is the misconception. ...a cold is not flu....flu is a killer  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?"
No it should not be made compulsory. I haven't had it and I,m not getting it either. It's my body, my choice. And NO I am not killing off the infirm.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Also I very rarely catch Flu, I get bad colds but not flu. My resistance to it is quite high. My son's get it but I don't catch it off them, I just get a mild cold.
In fact the only time I can remember having very bad flu was the winter I had the flu jab. XXX |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
No it should not be made compulsory. I haven't had it and I,m not getting it either. It's my body, my choice. And NO I am not killing off the infirm.
XXX"
Hyde I haven't either....but I'm not sure if I could spread it...and we don't know who we could pass it on to.
So I'm reconsidering my stance on it x |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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Don't know about compulsory but I'll (he) be choosing to have it from now on. Had an awful time this year, two tough weeks and not completely over it (third week) just yet but the worst is well over. Front of the queue next year. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This year is two strains going around this year .one the normal flu and the other affecting respiratory problems so this is a killer for people with other problems and elderly . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This year is two strains going around this year .one the normal flu and the other affecting respiratory problems so this is a killer for people with other problems and elderly ."
I got the latter one a couple of months back...and to be honest it scared the life out of me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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iget the flu jab as i work with vulnerable elderly people - ive had it in the past for being close to people with low immunities due to illness and various treatments - |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"iget the flu jab as i work with vulnerable elderly people - ive had it in the past for being close to people with low immunities due to illness and various treatments - "
I would say that is the responsible thing to do
No doubt someone will tell me differently |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?"
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Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? a
Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like? "
What will it save in health costs to the people who won't catch it?
Answer that one smart ass |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation? .
A weak elderly person, my mother had the the cold going round last week, two days in bed and pretty much fine now... And she's 83
That is the misconception. ...a cold is not flu....flu is a killer "
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There all variants of bird flu just some more harmful than others, the flu is not a killer to the elderly, it's a killer to the weak.
That's the misconception |
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The flu jab makes big money for big Pharmaceutical companies. That's why they're now pushing it to all and sundry.
Show me the stats that show the vaccine has made any kind of impact on flu levels or flu fatalities and I'd consider it.
I doubt that there has been any major positive impact, apart from to the profits of Big Pharma. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The flu jab makes big money for big Pharmaceutical companies. That's why they're now pushing it to all and sundry.
Show me the stats that show the vaccine has made any kind of impact on flu levels or flu fatalities and I'd consider it.
I doubt that there has been any major positive impact, apart from to the profits of Big Pharma."
I agree to some extent but do not pharmaceutical companies not make money from all medicines?
But I do agree it's a mixed feelings out there if it is actually working and think there should be more statistics available on this.
As I said I am open to rethinking my view on this and more would do so if we had better information on it
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night."
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people |
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people "
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd"
Oh should we scrap antibiotics then eh? |
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd
Oh should we scrap antibiotics then eh?"
No not if they work for a specific ailment |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd
Oh should we scrap antibiotics then eh?
No not if they work for a specific ailment"
So what about your theory on thinning the herd? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd
Oh should we scrap antibiotics then eh?"
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There going on there own accord!
In 20 years time those that can't resist bacteria the old fashioned way will be fucked.
You can fight nature for awhile but in the end nature always bats last |
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd"
Will you tell yourself that if someone you know dies from it? That's not just harsh, it shows lack of empathy and caring. |
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
I understand your point of view, everyone gets vaccinated and then the virus disappears, but as the flu vaccination isn't 100% effective at preventing the flu that makes the idea pointless. People who are vulnerable should get it, that will reduce deaths and suffering. And people who have it should isolate themselves while they are infectious.
Ah but only if they would eh
Some seem to get great joy on passing it on"
I know, it's something that gets my dander up at work all the time. Just to be clear I am in favour of people getting the vaccination if they are able to, and will be getting it myself soon because the type of flu that attacks the respiratory system is one that could endanger my life. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd
Will you tell yourself that if someone you know dies from it? That's not just harsh, it shows lack of empathy and caring."
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
If diabetic your offered it as well ."
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We get it free due to Frank’s treatment but prior to that I never had it.
Medicine is a marvellous thing but is also prolonging our lifespan & therefore putting more strain on services at the same time
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
Do you have any health issues?
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Diagnosed with atrial fibrillation last month but offered jabs prior to diagnosis. I'm 57...hardly old and vulnerable. |
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?"
Compulsory???
Oh and here is us thinking that we lived in the free world, we have enough legislation and constraints on our freedom without any more compulsion.
So in a word NO |
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
Do you have any health issues?
Diagnosed with atrial fibrillation last month but offered jabs prior to diagnosis. I'm 57...hardly old and vulnerable. "
Maybe it's worth a think though...I've had the pneumonia jab after having caught pneumonia in the past and that's a only one time jab.. but I've always knocked back the flu jab in the past but that may change for next year |
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
Compulsory???
Oh and here is us thinking that we lived in the free world, we have enough legislation and constraints on our freedom without any more compulsion.
So in a word NO"
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
Do you have any health issues?
Diagnosed with atrial fibrillation last month but offered jabs prior to diagnosis. I'm 57...hardly old and vulnerable.
Maybe it's worth a think though...I've had the pneumonia jab after having caught pneumonia in the past and that's a only one time jab.. but I've always knocked back the flu jab in the past but that may change for next year "
that's not exactly correct, it is advised the pneumococcal vaccine is repeated every 8 years
some say 5 - 10 years but on average every 8 years is adivsed |
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People who don't have it are part of the vector of transmission for what may kill many people,unless they have medical reasons for not doing so.
If we had close to 100% immunity then this deadly illness could become much less common here - subject to the actual strains matching those predicted for the vaccine.
I'd like NHS staff to have it, as they could infect unwell people. It's probably illegal to force staff to have it as a condition of employment. So how we achieve this I am uncertain about - as we realistically need it as standard through all of the population.
It's £9 at Tesco,which could be worthwhile for those with needs to protect income. |
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
Do you have any health issues?
Diagnosed with atrial fibrillation last month but offered jabs prior to diagnosis. I'm 57...hardly old and vulnerable.
Maybe it's worth a think though...I've had the pneumonia jab after having caught pneumonia in the past and that's a only one time jab.. but I've always knocked back the flu jab in the past but that may change for next year
that's not exactly correct, it is advised the pneumococcal vaccine is repeated every 8 years
some say 5 - 10 years but on average every 8 years is adivsed"
Well if that's the case now it wasn't in 2008 when I got it..I was told it would last a lifetime...feckers must have thought I wouldn't live long ffs
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There is a new vaccine about to enter human clinical trials that would prevent any type of flu - unlike the current one which is based on forecast strains. I hope it passes trials.
Most of us are incredibly fortunate - we've not lived through endemic infections that have killed thousands around us - but flu can do that, should the wrong mutations occur. What death rates do you need to have before you see flu vaccination worth £10 or so of your money?
Vaccinations work completely differently to antibiotics - they strengthen your immune system. It is already exposed to many things and - if you are healthy - has enormous potential to increase its bank of infections that it will develop immunity to.
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I work outside all year and the last few years I have struggled will fly and chest infections.
October I had the flu Jan and touch wood , so far I have been great .
So yes will definitely have it again this year |
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
Do you have any health issues?
Diagnosed with atrial fibrillation last month but offered jabs prior to diagnosis. I'm 57...hardly old and vulnerable.
Maybe it's worth a think though...I've had the pneumonia jab after having caught pneumonia in the past and that's a only one time jab.. but I've always knocked back the flu jab in the past but that may change for next year
that's not exactly correct, it is advised the pneumococcal vaccine is repeated every 8 years
some say 5 - 10 years but on average every 8 years is adivsed
Well if that's the case now it wasn't in 2008 when I got it..I was told it would last a lifetime...feckers must have thought I wouldn't live long ffs
But cheers I'll check that out "
The advice on pneumonia vaccine protection has changed and varies between countries too. I've had it and will repeat in a similar time-frame. |
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We have a disabled child.
We spend a lot of time around other children and adults who have various disabilities, illnesses and low immunity.
ALL of us will be having the flu jab from now on.
It isn't for our benefit, but for the benefit of our Son who would be at high risk of pneumonia, for the other children and adults we spend time with who could struggle to fight off the virus or who couldn't have the vaccination themselves due to allergies.
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I had my flu jab last year after many appointments of nagging from nurses and then my gp, due to having asthma and other health issues so I just bit the bullet and got it done. Well i've spent the past two weeks feeling like shit, coughing, trouble breathing, sore throat, sniffles..the works lol
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How long can we as a population delay the balance of nature ? As hard as it sounds we all have to face up to dying .I had the flu jab recently ,but wont be having it again ,never been so ill.Its bad enough forcing vaccinations on children ,still suspicous of them .So a big no for me |
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"I had my flu jab last year after many appointments of nagging from nurses and then my gp, due to having asthma and other health issues so I just bit the bullet and got it done. Well i've spent the past two weeks feeling like shit, coughing, trouble breathing, sore throat, sniffles..the works lol
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Bound to be the flu jab. Not the time of year for coughs and colds. It’s like saying just before you got run over by a bus you bought a cheese sandwich. Therefore it’s the cheese sandwich’s fault. |
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"How long can we as a population delay the balance of nature ? As hard as it sounds we all have to face up to dying .I had the flu jab recently ,but wont be having it again ,never been so ill.Its bad enough forcing vaccinations on children ,still suspicous of them .So a big no for me"
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I think different areas have different criteria of who is offered it automatically, a girl I work with was offered it as her BMI is rather high, and locally primary school children get it more to prevent spreading than getting it themselves.
I'm not happy taking medication at the best of times, even paracetamol I don't like to take more than 2 a month if needed.
I don't believe I've ever had the flu, a bout of it is probably the only thing that would encourage me to take the vaccination.
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"How long can we as a population delay the balance of nature ? As hard as it sounds we all have to face up to dying .I had the flu jab recently ,but wont be having it again ,never been so ill.Its bad enough forcing vaccinations on children ,still suspicous of them .So a big no for me
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Flu is not like eg polio - it mutates very quickly and easily which is partly why every few years we get a "bad strain". So actually for healthy adults/older children it helps their immune system fight off the various related strains.
I'm generally the type of person thinks anti-vaxers are idiots but this type of illness is more complex. And even so I don't like the idea of that level of state control over our health choices.
And I'm a "vulnerable" person re flu as I have asthma and reduced lung function due to pneumonia when I was younger. Unfortunately I've been sick last couple months and therefore not able to get the vaccine so I've just had to be really careful.
Having worked in nursing homes - it doesn't work like that. Nursing homes are NOT "full of nurses" nurses are usually the supervisors/managers but the main staff is hca's. In addition if a resident is admitted to hospital it will be because they are VERY ill and need iv fluids/meds, intense monitoring, Drs care, controlled meds etc regulations and lack of full hospital resources (because they're NOT hospitals) in nursing homes is why they are admitted.
"Just need antibiotics" - well antibiotics don't treat flu anyway because it's not bacterial but a virus and even secondary infections may be viral too. AntiVIRALS are often strong controlled drugs and need to be administered by staff with knowledge and experience.
"This is neglect by the nursing homes" - not always - part of the ageing process/decline is systems (including digestive system) slows down and becomes less efficient. A good nursing home (not saying all are) will TRY and encourage fluids and soluble fibre but they're of course not allowed to force feed these! The plethora of meds the elderly are on to treat their ageing bodies also often have side effects that cause things like this.
"I receive the flu jab every year, I also take Amoxicillin antibiotic to keep the nasty's away" that's ridiculous that's not how they work, if you DO get a serious infection in the future you'll have screwed yourself.
So much misinformation and myths on medical matters.
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"This year is two strains going around this year .one the normal flu and the other affecting respiratory problems so this is a killer for people with other problems and elderly .
I got the latter one a couple of months back...and to be honest it scared the life out of me."
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"Flu is not like eg polio - it mutates very quickly and easily which is partly why every few years we get a "bad strain". So actually for healthy adults/older children it helps their immune system fight off the various related strains.
I'm generally the type of person thinks anti-vaxers are idiots but this type of illness is more complex. And even so I don't like the idea of that level of state control over our health choices.
And I'm a "vulnerable" person re flu as I have asthma and reduced lung function due to pneumonia when I was younger. Unfortunately I've been sick last couple months and therefore not able to get the vaccine so I've just had to be really careful.
Having worked in nursing homes - it doesn't work like that. Nursing homes are NOT "full of nurses" nurses are usually the supervisors/managers but the main staff is hca's. In addition if a resident is admitted to hospital it will be because they are VERY ill and need iv fluids/meds, intense monitoring, Drs care, controlled meds etc regulations and lack of full hospital resources (because they're NOT hospitals) in nursing homes is why they are admitted.
"Just need antibiotics" - well antibiotics don't treat flu anyway because it's not bacterial but a virus and even secondary infections may be viral too. AntiVIRALS are often strong controlled drugs and need to be administered by staff with knowledge and experience.
"This is neglect by the nursing homes" - not always - part of the ageing process/decline is systems (including digestive system) slows down and becomes less efficient. A good nursing home (not saying all are) will TRY and encourage fluids and soluble fibre but they're of course not allowed to force feed these! The plethora of meds the elderly are on to treat their ageing bodies also often have side effects that cause things like this.
"I receive the flu jab every year, I also take Amoxicillin antibiotic to keep the nasty's away" that's ridiculous that's not how they work, if you DO get a serious infection in the future you'll have screwed yourself.
So much misinformation and myths on medical matters.
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Thanks for the post and I agree on the antibiotics comment as totally ridiculous |
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"This year is two strains going around this year .one the normal flu and the other affecting respiratory problems so this is a killer for people with other problems and elderly .
I got the latter one a couple of months back...and to be honest it scared the life out of me.
It's horrible and hope your over it .Think it's neally worst feeling not being able to breath properly . "
Oh I've had double pneumonia on compressed oxygen before and that is scarey...but the last dose of the flu has really made me think again on the jab....so partly why I made the post ..to get other people's views |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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No I don't think it should be compulsory, but think people who work with old or infirm people should consider it. Had my first one this year, as I have an auto immune disease. Also, supporter for family member who has terminal cancer, so wouldn't want to put her at risk. |
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over a year ago
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"Why make it compulsory?  . Can we not make our own choices on anything?
I don't want it and will never have it again. I had it once and was really ill for the next 5 months."
I'm asking the question for others to answer...quite a few have with varying views... |
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Everyone gets coughs and colds
Flu is worse but not everyone who has a cold gets the flu !
They have to second guess which flu strain will be previlent when making the flu jab. Sometimes they get it right , sometimes not
Nature will find a. Way , there’s millions to be made for a cure for the common cold yet there’s not yet an answer
A flu jab may well help but is no guarantee of not getting the flu |
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? a
Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like?
What will it save in health costs to the people who won't catch it?
Answer that one smart ass "
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? a
Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like?
What will it save in health costs to the people who won't catch it?
Answer that one smart ass
Charles Darwin: Survival of the fittest. "
Feck me how long as it took to come back with that reply. ...fecking choking laughin
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
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"I had my flu jab last year after many appointments of nagging from nurses and then my gp, due to having asthma and other health issues so I just bit the bullet and got it done. Well i've spent the past two weeks feeling like shit, coughing, trouble breathing, sore throat, sniffles..the works lol
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The flu jab does not contain flu. You cannot get it from the jab. It's a shame you had a bad cold afterwards.
As a lady who tries to live an active life despite having asthma and a dodgy immune system, it's the folk who pass it around that's the problem. If you don't want to have the jab...its your choice. But when you get ill, don't go around spreading germs. I should say that I do have my yearly jab. |
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? a
Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like?
What will it save in health costs to the people who won't catch it?
Answer that one smart ass
Charles Darwin: Survival of the fittest.
Feck me how long as it took to come back with that reply. ...fecking choking laughin
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? a
Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like?
What will it save in health costs to the people who won't catch it?
Answer that one smart ass
Charles Darwin: Survival of the fittest.
Feck me how long as it took to come back with that reply. ...fecking choking laughin
I've got a life! "
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? a
Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like?
What will it save in health costs to the people who won't catch it?
Answer that one smart ass
Charles Darwin: Survival of the fittest.
Feck me how long as it took to come back with that reply. ...fecking choking laughin
I've got a life!
Aw come on I've seen your status updates ffs "
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on? a
Guess you meant £5 each so that'd be about £300 million then, what's your bank account like?
What will it save in health costs to the people who won't catch it?
Answer that one smart ass
Charles Darwin: Survival of the fittest.
Feck me how long as it took to come back with that reply. ...fecking choking laughin
I've got a life!
Aw come on I've seen your status updates ffs
Okay, it's an insular life! "
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So say everyone had been vaccinated against the flu before the outbreak of the aussie flu it would not vaccinate a person against that strain of flu so people would end up in hospital still. So no I see no point in having the flu jab at all |
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"People who don't have it are part of the vector of transmission for what may kill many people,unless they have medical reasons for not doing so.
If we had close to 100% immunity then this deadly illness could become much less common here - subject to the actual strains matching those predicted for the vaccine.
I'd like NHS staff to have it, as they could infect unwell people. It's probably illegal to force staff to have it as a condition of employment. So how we achieve this I am uncertain about - as we realistically need it as standard through all of the population.
It's £9 at Tesco,which could be worthwhile for those with needs to protect income. "
Vector of transmission?? I do not wish to offend but what a load of B**ll*xxx
I get it free as i am Diaetic iv had the vacine once guess what it was the one and only time i have ever had flu. 10 days off work thats the lo gest iv ever had in my whole working life.
Freedom of choice i say if you want it have it |
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Personally, not made compulsary. But suggested strongly that it would be beneficial. Telling people they have to do something doesnt usually work. Ive had it for the past 3-4 years now and never had trouble. It doesnt lower your immune system so thats not a problem, and the vaccine is not live this time, so also cannot make you ill. Herd immunity is the way forward!
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"How long can we as a population delay the balance of nature ? As hard as it sounds we all have to face up to dying .I had the flu jab recently ,but wont be having it again ,never been so ill.Its bad enough forcing vaccinations on children ,still suspicous of them .So a big no for me"
Other than an allergy to the vaccination contents, your body can produce a reaction to it as if the body has an infection. It's not an infection, merely your body's positive response to fighting off an infection. Now imagine how much worse it would have been if you had really got the flu infection!
As others say, getting herd immunity, as can work with measles, mumps etc, is a really strong component of immunization success, above and beyond individual immunity.
As I mentioned earlier, a new flu vaccine is starting patient trial this year that provides immunity to all types of flu jab. The present one is just for the strains predicted in advance. If it's successful, it will be a great leap forwards.
I'm all for mass vaccination programmes. For the benefit of our society. |
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People who don't have it are part of the vector of transmission for what may kill many people,unless they have medical reasons for not doing so.
If we had close to 100% immunity then this deadly illness could become much less common here ...
" Vector of transmission?? I do not wish to offend but what a load of B**ll*xxx
Freedom of choice i say if you want it have it "
Of course the people who don't get vaccinated will be the pool of people who will infect others - they will statistically have a higher probability of catching flu and passing it on. Denial of this is silly. |
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
Do you have any health issues?
Diagnosed with atrial fibrillation last month but offered jabs prior to diagnosis. I'm 57...hardly old and vulnerable.
Maybe it's worth a think though...I've had the pneumonia jab after having caught pneumonia in the past and that's a only one time jab.. but I've always knocked back the flu jab in the past but that may change for next year "
I took them both...and although not "live" I've not been without a cold/chest infection. |
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"I was offered flu and pneumonia jab. I wouldn't class myself as in a vulnerable group.
Do you have any health issues?
Diagnosed with atrial fibrillation last month but offered jabs prior to diagnosis. I'm 57...hardly old and vulnerable.
Maybe it's worth a think though...I've had the pneumonia jab after having caught pneumonia in the past and that's a only one time jab.. but I've always knocked back the flu jab in the past but that may change for next year
I took them both...and although not "live" I've not been without a cold/chest infection. "
Ah bloody dom message can be the biggest softies when it comes to prick eh |
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"Flu is not like eg polio - it mutates very quickly and easily which is partly why every few years we get a "bad strain". So actually for healthy adults/older children it helps their immune system fight off the various related strains.
I'm generally the type of person thinks anti-vaxers are idiots but this type of illness is more complex. And even so I don't like the idea of that level of state control over our health choices.
And I'm a "vulnerable" person re flu as I have asthma and reduced lung function due to pneumonia when I was younger. Unfortunately I've been sick last couple months and therefore not able to get the vaccine so I've just had to be really careful.
Having worked in nursing homes - it doesn't work like that. Nursing homes are NOT "full of nurses" nurses are usually the supervisors/managers but the main staff is hca's. In addition if a resident is admitted to hospital it will be because they are VERY ill and need iv fluids/meds, intense monitoring, Drs care, controlled meds etc regulations and lack of full hospital resources (because they're NOT hospitals) in nursing homes is why they are admitted.
"Just need antibiotics" - well antibiotics don't treat flu anyway because it's not bacterial but a virus and even secondary infections may be viral too. AntiVIRALS are often strong controlled drugs and need to be administered by staff with knowledge and experience.
"This is neglect by the nursing homes" - not always - part of the ageing process/decline is systems (including digestive system) slows down and becomes less efficient. A good nursing home (not saying all are) will TRY and encourage fluids and soluble fibre but they're of course not allowed to force feed these! The plethora of meds the elderly are on to treat their ageing bodies also often have side effects that cause things like this.
"I receive the flu jab every year, I also take Amoxicillin antibiotic to keep the nasty's away" that's ridiculous that's not how they work, if you DO get a serious infection in the future you'll have screwed yourself.
So much misinformation and myths on medical matters.
Thanks for the post and I agree on the antibiotics comment as totally ridiculous "
How do you know its "Viral" !!!
The symptoms of a bacterial infection and a virus are often very similar—fever, muscle aches, cough, and sore throat—but they require different treatments
it costs money to test and see if a cold/flu is bacterial or viral and both usually clear within 10 - 14 days.
People like myself who have no spleen are normally put on antibiotics for life, 24/7 all year.
As I lost my spleen in 1982 due to a RTA before medical opinion had discovered the link between the spleen and immune system I was not advised to go on antibiotics until 1992, by this time I had 10 years without.
Doctors and surgeons still recommend as soon as I feel a cough, cold or chest infection come on, then I should immediately start antibiotics, they also advise this during winter months if a lot of flu and cold is going around
I can asure you that anyone without a spleen is advised by all doctors and surgeons to be on antibiotics during cold/flu sesion
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"i think it's a terrible idea to give it to people who don't need it.
But is there less chance of you passing it on if you've been vaccinated against it?"
I think everyone or at least most people should have the flu vaccine so they dont pass it on ... herd vaccination. |
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed
yes, and its been very successful, but we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses taking too many antibiotics already..i think unnecessary immunisation is not a good road to go down.."
Immunisation is not the same as taking antibiotics. |
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"My opinion is stop elderly people in nursing homes being admitted to hospital for silly things that can be sorted by a nurse or doctor in the home .
Surely flu is a killer to the elderly that can easily lead to pneumonia....that need hospitalisation? .
A weak elderly person, my mother had the the cold going round last week, two days in bed and pretty much fine now... And she's 83
That is the misconception. ...a cold is not flu....flu is a killer "
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"I'm advised to have it because of a medical condition. I had no problem taking it. Flu free zone here. "
Me too
If i got flu now i would most likely end up in hospital on oxygen ... but hey ho its natures way of getting rid of unwanted people |
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"If it's all the same with you I will pass on the opportunity of a flu jab and just soldier on thankyou, brisk outdoor walks, stiff upper lip and a nip of whisky in my coffee at night.
Ah but I'm not talking about just you am I? I'm talking about the spreading on to other people
Sorry to be harsh...but it's Nature thinning out the herd"
So should we stop treating people with cancer and heart problems then ? So nature can thin out the herd ! |
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
I understand your point of view, everyone gets vaccinated and then the virus disappears, but as the flu vaccination isn't 100% effective at preventing the flu that makes the idea pointless. People who are vulnerable should get it, that will reduce deaths and suffering. And people who have it should isolate themselves while they are infectious.
Ah but only if they would eh
Some seem to get great joy on passing it on
I know, it's something that gets my dander up at work all the time. Just to be clear I am in favour of people getting the vaccination if they are able to, and will be getting it myself soon because the type of flu that attacks the respiratory system is one that could endanger my life."
Iv had it for the same reason. I also get annoyed with people who seem to delight in passing on their germs. |
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed
yes, and its been very successful, but we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses taking too many antibiotics already..i think unnecessary immunisation is not a good road to go down..
Immunisation is not the same as taking antibiotics."
indeed, some people require both Immunisation and antibiotics at this time of year
Whilst so many with limited knowledge shout "we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses" doctors & surgeons recommend to some people that antibiotics are essential |
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed
yes, and its been very successful, but we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses taking too many antibiotics already..i think unnecessary immunisation is not a good road to go down..
Immunisation is not the same as taking antibiotics.
indeed, some people require both Immunisation and antibiotics at this time of year
Whilst so many with limited knowledge shout "we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses" doctors & surgeons recommend to some people that antibiotics are essential"
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"Some" people need antibiotics is correct the vast majority of people don't.
The fact remains that every time a course of antibiotics is issued the bacteria build up a resistance wether you finish them or not (although not finishing them just makes it worse), for far too long doctor's have issued antibiotics for trivial shit that would have more than likely cleared up on its own but for a few days of inconvenience, for far too long they've issued antibiotics without actually knowing if the secondary infection is viral or bacterial.
fortunately due to the rise and rise of super bacteria caused by the overuse of antibiotics(not just in humans but in livestock as well) those days are over!.
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed
yes, and its been very successful, but we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses taking too many antibiotics already..i think unnecessary immunisation is not a good road to go down..
Immunisation is not the same as taking antibiotics.
indeed, some people require both Immunisation and antibiotics at this time of year
Whilst so many with limited knowledge shout "we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses" doctors & surgeons recommend to some people that antibiotics are essential"
And now you have explained that reasoning in a pm. I agree with you |
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"Are you suggesting the forced medication of the population?
Surely it should down to an individual to make an informed choice about whether to take medication or not, not the state.
Water is chlorinated and in some places has added flouride; people have no choice.
Parents in France will be legally obliged to vaccinate their children from 2018.
Society makes rules for the greater good of the population sometimes even if it conflicts with some personal freedoms (e.g. you must wear a seatbelt in a car).
In many situations people do not have the knowledge or capacity to make informed choices. Very few people will have a in depth scientific knowledge of immunology etc.
As for the flu vaccine it's efficacy is based on trying to guess which strains will become prevalent in the future; so it is often of limited use."
You have a choice to not drink tap water though |
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"Are you suggesting the forced medication of the population?
Surely it should down to an individual to make an informed choice about whether to take medication or not, not the state.
Water is chlorinated and in some places has added flouride; people have no choice.
Parents in France will be legally obliged to vaccinate their children from 2018.
Society makes rules for the greater good of the population sometimes even if it conflicts with some personal freedoms (e.g. you must wear a seatbelt in a car).
In many situations people do not have the knowledge or capacity to make informed choices. Very few people will have a in depth scientific knowledge of immunology etc.
As for the flu vaccine it's efficacy is based on trying to guess which strains will become prevalent in the future; so it is often of limited use.
You have a choice to not drink tap water though "
Oh don't get me on bloody people paying a fortune for bottled water ffs |
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"Are you suggesting the forced medication of the population?
Surely it should down to an individual to make an informed choice about whether to take medication or not, not the state.
Water is chlorinated and in some places has added flouride; people have no choice.
Parents in France will be legally obliged to vaccinate their children from 2018.
Society makes rules for the greater good of the population sometimes even if it conflicts with some personal freedoms (e.g. you must wear a seatbelt in a car).
In many situations people do not have the knowledge or capacity to make informed choices. Very few people will have a in depth scientific knowledge of immunology etc.
As for the flu vaccine it's efficacy is based on trying to guess which strains will become prevalent in the future; so it is often of limited use.
You have a choice to not drink tap water though
Oh don't get me on bloody people paying a fortune for bottled water ffs "
I only drink bottled water, don't spend a fortune on it though lol |
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"The problem with the flu jab is that it only protects against certain strains.
If you get exposed to others you're at no less risk of still getting it "
It would seem that way at the moment...but should we not avail ourselves of every weapon against it? |
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"It would not be financially viable to vaccinate everyone. I think the elderly and vulnerable should be vaccinated and those who have colds stay away from them.
Financially viable is not the question as it only costs around a fiver.. then compare that to the cost of hospitalisation. . That's is a no brained.
What I'm asking is it working and if so are we being irresponsible by not having it and then to speak it on?
i think it's the opposite for me, i think it could be more irresponsible if people who don't need it,insist on having it. Same with the over subscription of antibiotics, i think it's going be far more potentially dangerous to weaken our immune systems unnecessarily.
But was polio not irradicated by vaccination?
I'm not saying this will be the case with flu but I think it should be discussed
yes, and its been very successful, but we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses taking too many antibiotics already..i think unnecessary immunisation is not a good road to go down..
Immunisation is not the same as taking antibiotics.
indeed, some people require both Immunisation and antibiotics at this time of year
Whilst so many with limited knowledge shout "we are weakening our ability to fight off minor illnesses" doctors & surgeons recommend to some people that antibiotics are essential"
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
Compulsory???
Oh and here is us thinking that we lived in the free world, we have enough legislation and constraints on our freedom without any more compulsion.
So in a word NO
Not into bdsm then?"
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"The problem with the flu jab is that it only protects against certain strains.
If you get exposed to others you're at no less risk of still getting it "
A new flu vaccine starts clinical phase 3 trial upon the public that should protect against all flu strains.
In the meantime I'm happy to settle for the best vaccine mix there is. |
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"Flu is not like eg polio - it mutates very quickly and easily which is partly why every few years we get a "bad strain". So actually for healthy adults/older children it helps their immune system fight off the various related strains.
I'm generally the type of person thinks anti-vaxers are idiots but this type of illness is more complex. And even so I don't like the idea of that level of state control over our health choices.
And I'm a "vulnerable" person re flu as I have asthma and reduced lung function due to pneumonia when I was younger. Unfortunately I've been sick last couple months and therefore not able to get the vaccine so I've just had to be really careful.
Having worked in nursing homes - it doesn't work like that. Nursing homes are NOT "full of nurses" nurses are usually the supervisors/managers but the main staff is hca's. In addition if a resident is admitted to hospital it will be because they are VERY ill and need iv fluids/meds, intense monitoring, Drs care, controlled meds etc regulations and lack of full hospital resources (because they're NOT hospitals) in nursing homes is why they are admitted.
"Just need antibiotics" - well antibiotics don't treat flu anyway because it's not bacterial but a virus and even secondary infections may be viral too. AntiVIRALS are often strong controlled drugs and need to be administered by staff with knowledge and experience.
"This is neglect by the nursing homes" - not always - part of the ageing process/decline is systems (including digestive system) slows down and becomes less efficient. A good nursing home (not saying all are) will TRY and encourage fluids and soluble fibre but they're of course not allowed to force feed these! The plethora of meds the elderly are on to treat their ageing bodies also often have side effects that cause things like this.
"I receive the flu jab every year, I also take Amoxicillin antibiotic to keep the nasty's away" that's ridiculous that's not how they work, if you DO get a serious infection in the future you'll have screwed yourself.
So much misinformation and myths on medical matters.
Thanks for the post and I agree on the antibiotics comment as totally ridiculous
How do you know its "Viral" !!!
The symptoms of a bacterial infection and a virus are often very similar—fever, muscle aches, cough, and sore throat—but they require different treatments
it costs money to test and see if a cold/flu is bacterial or viral and both usually clear within 10 - 14 days.
People like myself who have no spleen are normally put on antibiotics for life, 24/7 all year.
As I lost my spleen in 1982 due to a RTA before medical opinion had discovered the link between the spleen and immune system I was not advised to go on antibiotics until 1992, by this time I had 10 years without.
Doctors and surgeons still recommend as soon as I feel a cough, cold or chest infection come on, then I should immediately start antibiotics, they also advise this during winter months if a lot of flu and cold is going around
I can asure you that anyone without a spleen is advised by all doctors and surgeons to be on antibiotics during cold/flu sesion
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Because
Colds and flus ARE viral - other infections may have similar symptoms and be bacterial but that's very rare.
The reason you will have been advised/prescribed antibiotics pre-emptively is to protect you from secondary infections which are more likely and more serious in people who are vulnerable. I have several relatives who've survived cancer and been given similar treatment.
This decision is not taken lightly with the problems associated with overprescription un the recent past. Which ironically is having the MOST detrimental impact on people like yourself.
So it's not to treat the cold/flu it's for other reasons. |
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"Should it be made compulsory?
Are the people who refuse to have it killing off the infirm...or is the vaccine it self doing the same?
Your thoughts?
Compulsory???
Oh and here is us thinking that we lived in the free world, we have enough legislation and constraints on our freedom without any more compulsion.
So in a word NO
Not into bdsm then?
Only by mutual consent "
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"I can asure you that anyone without a spleen is advised by all doctors and surgeons to be on antibiotics during cold/flu sesion
Because
Colds and flus ARE viral - other infections may have similar symptoms and be bacterial but that's very rare.
The reason you will have been advised/prescribed antibiotics pre-emptively is to protect you from secondary infections which are more likely and more serious in people who are vulnerable. I have several relatives who've survived cancer and been given similar treatment.
This decision is not taken lightly with the problems associated with overprescription un the recent past. Which ironically is having the MOST detrimental impact on people like yourself.
So it's not to treat the cold/flu it's for other reasons. "
Vamp, you said you had a Brain, you need to use it, perhaps begin by researching if ALL colds and Flu are as you say Viral, that may be your first point of "self education" failing that, ask a doctor
the majority of people without a spleen are on antibiotics 24/7 all year round for rest of their lifes, I am not
I rarely take antibiotics, how ever I do take them during flu & cold season as fully advised by both my doctors & surgeons that I have seen over the years,
I am sure they would all disagree with you, but heck, what do they know
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"When you get the flu jab do they tell that it contains gelatin? "
I love it in pork pies
But seriously before you get it I don't think they have time to tell you everything it contains |
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Was having a conversation about the flu jab at work the other day, the lad I was talking to turned round and said look at it this way
you don't have a clue what they are injecting into You, could be anything to try and keep population down or anything like using humans as guinea pigs, so he does not have, I get it every year religiously but makes you think. |
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"Was having a conversation about the flu jab at work the other day, the lad I was talking to turned round and said look at it this way
you don't have a clue what they are injecting into You, could be anything to try and keep population down or anything like using humans as guinea pigs, so he does not have, I get it every year religiously but makes you think. "
We (mostly) willingly take our kids along for routine vaccinations, they could be anything but the near eradication of polio would suggest that they aren't. Same goes for flu, the majority of people who've been vaccinated don't get it. Of course most people wouldn't have got it anyway but there's no way of knowing who they would be, just like there's no way of knowing who would have got polio. I've had flu, I know someone who had polio, I choose vaccination. It's only because most of us do that your colleague can safely hold his views. |
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"Was having a conversation about the flu jab at work the other day, the lad I was talking to turned round and said look at it this way
you don't have a clue what they are injecting into You, could be anything to try and keep population down or anything like using humans as guinea pigs, so he does not have, I get it every year religiously but makes you think.
We (mostly) willingly take our kids along for routine vaccinations, they could be anything but the near eradication of polio would suggest that they aren't. Same goes for flu, the majority of people who've been vaccinated don't get it. Of course most people wouldn't have got it anyway but there's no way of knowing who they would be, just like there's no way of knowing who would have got polio. I've had flu, I know someone who had polio, I choose vaccination. It's only because most of us do that your colleague can safely hold his views."
Wise words
And I have made my mind up I will be getting all future flu jabs from later in this year...unless it's not too late for this winter now?
If anyone knows it would be appreciated |
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"Was having a conversation about the flu jab at work the other day, the lad I was talking to turned round and said look at it this way
you don't have a clue what they are injecting into You, could be anything to try and keep population down or anything like using humans as guinea pigs, so he does not have, I get it every year religiously but makes you think.
We (mostly) willingly take our kids along for routine vaccinations, they could be anything but the near eradication of polio would suggest that they aren't. Same goes for flu, the majority of people who've been vaccinated don't get it. Of course most people wouldn't have got it anyway but there's no way of knowing who they would be, just like there's no way of knowing who would have got polio. I've had flu, I know someone who had polio, I choose vaccination. It's only because most of us do that your colleague can safely hold his views.
Wise words
And I have made my mind up I will be getting all future flu jabs from later in this year...unless it's not too late for this winter now?
If anyone knows it would be appreciated "
Not too late as long as you can find somewhere that has stock. |
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