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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Starting to realise that the majority of people are on here because they're addicted to sex and don't have a lot else in life, or because they get attention they would never get in the real world. mainly because it's not acceptable to walk around naked! Not pointing the finger but starting to find it hard to meet decent people on here. Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding? |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"Starting to realise that the majority of people are on here because they're addicted to sex and don't have a lot else in life, or because they get attention they would never get in the real world. mainly because it's not acceptable to walk around naked! Not pointing the finger but starting to find it hard to meet decent people on here. Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding?"
Maybe they assume you're either addicted to sex or a loser, so they don't want to meet you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding?"
Probably off meeting the guys who don't try to pull them down.
Or meeting the guys who aren't quite as entitled. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why can't you be sex addicted, enjoy attention AND be a decent person?
I don't agree with your statement at all by the way. I find most people on here to be relaxed, liberal minded people who embrace their sexuality. |
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"Why can't you be sex addicted, enjoy attention AND be a decent person?
I don't agree with your statement at all by the way. I find most people on here to be relaxed, liberal minded people who embrace their sexuality. "
Couldn’t agree more! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Starting to realise that the majority of people are on here because they're addicted to sex and don't have a lot else in life, or because they get attention they would never get in the real world. mainly because it's not acceptable to walk around naked! Not pointing the finger but starting to find it hard to meet decent people on here. Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding?"
So, maybe a less flippant answer this time.
A few things to consider :
1. There are much less women here than men
2. Many of those women are in couples. They may preclude single guys from their searches
3. They are here to seek out what THEY want from the site. This may not always be sexual
4. Many have lives away from the site - kids, families, jobs, friends, social activities. This takes up much of their time. Fab allows for some 'me time' with other people who understand the you that friends and family don't know about
5. Many only meet in clubs as they either enjoy the 'scene' and/or prefer the security it offers
6. They receive a lot of unsolicited mail from men, so many end up being deleted with little or no consideration
7. Unlike a lot of men, many women prefer to 'know' a guy before meeting so put conditions in the way of those seeking instant gratification
8.Another factor is many women receive attention from guys who they really fancy, who they think might not otherwise look at them via any other platform. This is both fulfilling and daunting.
There are probably ten or twenty more reasons as to why you aren't getting the attention you thought you would (that's what this is really about isn't it ?)
There may be a number of sex addicts here. There may be people here just for the attention.
It is up for you to decide which ones they are and, more importantly, seek out the ones that aren't.
From a very quick glance at your profile, you seem like a well put together guy. You should do well. 4 veris in 8 months suggests you are. I assume you were expecting more ?
Life here is not 'easy' for anyone
I find the happiest people are those with the lowest expectations, who just get on and join in, who accept it for what it is and who don't use the site as their main social or sexual focus.
Why make life harder for yourself with acidic threads ?
It just seems counter productive to me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Starting to realise that the majority of people are on here because they're addicted to sex and don't have a lot else in life, or because they get attention they would never get in the real world. mainly because it's not acceptable to walk around naked! Not pointing the finger but starting to find it hard to meet decent people on here. Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding?
So, maybe a less flippant answer this time.
A few things to consider :
1. There are much less women here than men
2. Many of those women are in couples. They may preclude single guys from their searches
3. They are here to seek out what THEY want from the site. This may not always be sexual
4. Many have lives away from the site - kids, families, jobs, friends, social activities. This takes up much of their time. Fab allows for some 'me time' with other people who understand the you that friends and family don't know about
5. Many only meet in clubs as they either enjoy the 'scene' and/or prefer the security it offers
6. They receive a lot of unsolicited mail from men, so many end up being deleted with little or no consideration
7. Unlike a lot of men, many women prefer to 'know' a guy before meeting so put conditions in the way of those seeking instant gratification
8.Another factor is many women receive attention from guys who they really fancy, who they think might not otherwise look at them via any other platform. This is both fulfilling and daunting.
There are probably ten or twenty more reasons as to why you aren't getting the attention you thought you would (that's what this is really about isn't it ?)
There may be a number of sex addicts here. There may be people here just for the attention.
It is up for you to decide which ones they are and, more importantly, seek out the ones that aren't.
From a very quick glance at your profile, you seem like a well put together guy. You should do well. 4 veris in 8 months suggests you are. I assume you were expecting more ?
Life here is not 'easy' for anyone
I find the happiest people are those with the lowest expectations, who just get on and join in, who accept it for what it is and who don't use the site as their main social or sexual focus.
Why make life harder for yourself with acidic threads ?
It just seems counter productive to me"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't be addicted because I don't get any. I'm more of an enthusiast and frankly if I did get it regularly I wouldn't be here..........I do like being able to discuss sex freely with like minded people though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
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You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?"
My thoughts exactly
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"Why can't you be sex addicted, enjoy attention AND be a decent person?
I don't agree with your statement at all by the way. I find most people on here to be relaxed, liberal minded people who embrace their sexuality. "
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?"
I thought his post was pretty insightful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I never get any attention in real life as I'm a ugly duckling so your right oh and I'm addicted to sex lol x "
I dont either. In fact, I struggle to get any male attention at all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding?
Probably off meeting the guys who don't try to pull them down.
Or meeting the guys who aren't quite as entitled."
This |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Starting to realise that the majority of people are on here because they're addicted to sex and don't have a lot else in life, or because they get attention they would never get in the real world. mainly because it's not acceptable to walk around naked! Not pointing the finger but starting to find it hard to meet decent people on here. Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding?
So, maybe a less flippant answer this time.
A few things to consider :
1. There are much less women here than men
2. Many of those women are in couples. They may preclude single guys from their searches
3. They are here to seek out what THEY want from the site. This may not always be sexual
4. Many have lives away from the site - kids, families, jobs, friends, social activities. This takes up much of their time. Fab allows for some 'me time' with other people who understand the you that friends and family don't know about
5. Many only meet in clubs as they either enjoy the 'scene' and/or prefer the security it offers
6. They receive a lot of unsolicited mail from men, so many end up being deleted with little or no consideration
7. Unlike a lot of men, many women prefer to 'know' a guy before meeting so put conditions in the way of those seeking instant gratification
8.Another factor is many women receive attention from guys who they really fancy, who they think might not otherwise look at them via any other platform. This is both fulfilling and daunting.
There are probably ten or twenty more reasons as to why you aren't getting the attention you thought you would (that's what this is really about isn't it ?)
There may be a number of sex addicts here. There may be people here just for the attention.
It is up for you to decide which ones they are and, more importantly, seek out the ones that aren't.
From a very quick glance at your profile, you seem like a well put together guy. You should do well. 4 veris in 8 months suggests you are. I assume you were expecting more ?
Life here is not 'easy' for anyone
I find the happiest people are those with the lowest expectations, who just get on and join in, who accept it for what it is and who don't use the site as their main social or sexual focus.
Why make life harder for yourself with acidic threads ?
It just seems counter productive to me"
It seems like a lot of generalising going on here. You make some very good points which I'm sure people will agree with but I think you have read into this like it's an attack on women.
I'm not just talking about women: the shallow nature of just posting genital picks, or topless photos of yourself in the bathroom mirror are a standard... why I took shots like that of myself because I knew it would get me more meets. But yeah it's on both sides.
I also find those happiest can be people that get on with it, never challenging anything and conforming to what's expected of them. Unfortunately I'm not one of those and my desire to question everything always creeps back into my life.
Can I just point out that I'm on here so we're all in the same boat. I don't deserve any more attention than anyone else on here... unless you look into it and then perceive wanting to start a conversation as me wanting attention... hmm... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?"
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I never get any attention in real life as I'm a ugly duckling so your right oh and I'm addicted to sex lol x
I dont either. In fact, I struggle to get any male attention at all"
It's terrible isn't it.
I've had to resort to carring a big cardbord arrow pointing at me with the words ATTENTION PLEASE wrote on it x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I never get any attention in real life as I'm a ugly duckling so your right oh and I'm addicted to sex lol x
I dont either. In fact, I struggle to get any male attention at all
It's terrible isn't it.
I've had to resort to carring a big cardbord arrow pointing at me with the words ATTENTION PLEASE wrote on it x "
Yeah, sometimes I have a designated 'funny hat day'
Its the only way I can get any men to notice me |
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By *iss SJWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing"
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!"
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know? "
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid"
Is there something wrong with spending lots of time doing something you enjoy? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I never get any attention in real life as I'm a ugly duckling so your right oh and I'm addicted to sex lol x
I dont either. In fact, I struggle to get any male attention at all
It's terrible isn't it.
I've had to resort to carring a big cardbord arrow pointing at me with the words ATTENTION PLEASE wrote on it x
Yeah, sometimes I have a designated 'funny hat day'
Its the only way I can get any men to notice me"
You don't need one. Just take your top off... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid
Is there something wrong with spending lots of time doing something you enjoy?"
Nope. Who said there was? |
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid
Is there something wrong with spending lots of time doing something you enjoy?
Nope. Who said there was? "
I think you did Peter. |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid
Is there something wrong with spending lots of time doing something you enjoy?
Nope. Who said there was? "
Well, you implied that being a sex addict or attention junky meant you weren't a 'decent' person. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is it that bad too be either a sex addict or attention junky ??"
Not if you're happy it's not. Just not for me. Think happiness comes from within and attention for aesthetics is a slippery slope |
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We get enough attention from eachother although we do like it from others. We're definitely addicted to sex. As in we love it, can't get enough of it and refuse to go through life without it.
I guess we're guilty.
In that context, you're probably addicted yourself ecept your addiction isn't being fed as much as you'd like. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My perception is that there are some people on here that appear to be addicted to sex and / or receiving attention
Whether they have little else going on & this mirrors their offline world I have no idea.
I also doubt though that this hampers your chances of meeting someone decent / genuine (or however else you phrased it.)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sadly, there are people in the world who find the internet an enjoyable plaything.
You have to take these people with a pinch of salt, and concentrate on those who use it as a means to meeting like minded people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I never get any attention in real life as I'm a ugly duckling so your right oh and I'm addicted to sex lol x
I dont either. In fact, I struggle to get any male attention at all
It's terrible isn't it.
I've had to resort to carring a big cardbord arrow pointing at me with the words ATTENTION PLEASE wrote on it x
Yeah, sometimes I have a designated 'funny hat day'
Its the only way I can get any men to notice me"
What really annoys me is when I strip off totally naked and run past a gang of builders and they all start being violently sick.One day someone will give me attention  x |
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid"
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"Is it that bad too be either a sex addict or attention junky ??
Not if you're happy it's not. Just not for me. Think happiness comes from within and attention for aesthetics is a slippery slope"
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over a year ago
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"Phrasing pretty clear cut in your post OP... Probably a good thing for you not many people use the forum, because I recon you just put off every female who has read this x"
I didn't think he sounded bitter at all lol x |
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"Starting to realise that the majority of people are on here because they're addicted to sex and don't have a lot else in life, or because they get attention they would never get in the real world. mainly because it's not acceptable to walk around naked! Not pointing the finger but starting to find it hard to meet decent people on here. Where are all the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies hiding?
So, maybe a less flippant answer this time.
A few things to consider :
1. There are much less women here than men
2. Many of those women are in couples. They may preclude single guys from their searches
3. They are here to seek out what THEY want from the site. This may not always be sexual
4. Many have lives away from the site - kids, families, jobs, friends, social activities. This takes up much of their time. Fab allows for some 'me time' with other people who understand the you that friends and family don't know about
5. Many only meet in clubs as they either enjoy the 'scene' and/or prefer the security it offers
6. They receive a lot of unsolicited mail from men, so many end up being deleted with little or no consideration
7. Unlike a lot of men, many women prefer to 'know' a guy before meeting so put conditions in the way of those seeking instant gratification
8.Another factor is many women receive attention from guys who they really fancy, who they think might not otherwise look at them via any other platform. This is both fulfilling and daunting.
There are probably ten or twenty more reasons as to why you aren't getting the attention you thought you would (that's what this is really about isn't it ?)
There may be a number of sex addicts here. There may be people here just for the attention.
It is up for you to decide which ones they are and, more importantly, seek out the ones that aren't.
From a very quick glance at your profile, you seem like a well put together guy. You should do well. 4 veris in 8 months suggests you are. I assume you were expecting more ?
Life here is not 'easy' for anyone
I find the happiest people are those with the lowest expectations, who just get on and join in, who accept it for what it is and who don't use the site as their main social or sexual focus.
Why make life harder for yourself with acidic threads ?
It just seems counter productive to me"
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"Phrasing pretty clear cut in your post OP... Probably a good thing for you not many people use the forum, because I recon you just put off every female who has read this x
I didn't think he sounded bitter at all lol x "
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over a year ago
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid
Is there something wrong with spending lots of time doing something you enjoy?
Nope. Who said there was?
Well, you implied that being a sex addict or attention junky meant you weren't a 'decent' person."
Nope. I said that I was struggling to find decent people on here, not that there were none because you're all sex addicts and attention seekers.
All irrelevant as who I see as a decent person is my opinion. I struggle to find decent people in society on a daily basis. Then again, I struggle to define 'decent' without it being subjective and becoming an ego massage of some sorts. Am I decent? Probably not, but I do like good conversations with people who can talk about anything, even if it does challenge their own opinion |
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over a year ago
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid
How many people have you met from here? That you can refer to people as the vast majority"
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"Phrasing pretty clear cut in your post OP... Probably a good thing for you not many people use the forum, because I recon you just put off every female who has read this x"
Ha! Hopefully not those who can discuss things objectively. Those who get offended because they have read what I've said as a personal attack, or attached what has been said to their own personal situation, even though I don't know them, can be put off. |
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"Phrasing pretty clear cut in your post OP... Probably a good thing for you not many people use the forum, because I recon you just put off every female who has read this x
Ha! Hopefully not those who can discuss things objectively. Those who get offended because they have read what I've said as a personal attack, or attached what has been said to their own personal situation, even though I don't know them, can be put off. "
Just hope your veris don't read this. It'll be quite harsh to read someone they had sex with is still looking for the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies x |
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?"
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"Phrasing pretty clear cut in your post OP... Probably a good thing for you not many people use the forum, because I recon you just put off every female who has read this x
Ha! Hopefully not those who can discuss things objectively. Those who get offended because they have read what I've said as a personal attack, or attached what has been said to their own personal situation, even though I don't know them, can be put off.
Just hope your veris don't read this. It'll be quite harsh to read someone they had sex with is still looking for the mindful free-thinking liberal ladies x"
It's not an insult if you're not liberal, mindful or free-thinking. Most people aren't right? Are these even desirable qualities on here? Think society would be different if the majority of the population were mindful!!!
Plus, i know that my Veris would agree that they are none of those things. They were still nice people that I respect |
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over a year ago
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'...."
Was a genuine question |
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over a year ago
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"I don’t know what category we fall into lol. Everyone likes a bit of attention don’t they lol.
Geeky x"
Yes they do geeky. Me included! Why it's desireable to be famous and why i'm constantly questioning my need for something I already get.... |
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"I'm not on here for either of those reasons. It is not an acidic post, more me trying to take an objective look at why we're ALL on here. Sorry if my phrasing sounds like i'm bitter. I love people and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone for something they enjoy.
Me: i love sex, but don't think I'm so addicted, and of course love attention... who doesn't? But again not really here for that. I love to question everything and find fab a really good place to get honest answers. Oh and I don't see sex addiction as a negative. Just another way we get our dopamine releases like we do with all the other things we're addicted to.
i've done alright on here though, but that really doesn't have much to do with the post. More an attempt to start a conversation about something we can all have an opinion on
You said all that stuff about not getting attention, having not much else going on in their lives and about sex addiction and then go on to say you’re finding it hard to find decent people on here.
You can see how your initial post comes across as putting people on here down can’t you?
Yeah I can. I'll say sorry again: Sorry! English is not my strong suit and I did not mean it to be offensive more objective... I am on here after all. But I meant that the vast majority of people who are on here seem to live for it and plan their life around swinging. Again, not a bad thing but not my thing
Out of interest, what do you mean by the vast majority? How do you know?
Vast majority that I've met. Haven't done any surveys I'm afraid
How many people have you met from here? That you can refer to people as the vast majority
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To the OP - if you want free-thinking liberals they're thin on the ground on here.
This site is a cross-section of society in many ways, and not terribly well represented by us leftie-liberals.
There is another site that's full of them but I'll probably get banned if I mention the name of it. |
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So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'....
Was a genuine question"
The answer is no then, but I do not seek empowerment from a sex site forum, only distraction, or if I am lucky, entertainment. |
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"Why can't you be sex addicted, enjoy attention AND be a decent person?"
I'm here because sex addicts are respected here as decent people who do have lots of other interesting things going on in their lives, including sex. Oh and because I love meeting them  |
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Fab has become a social media platform for many people - it's not just a sex-contact site anymore, so of course people are going to appear to be looking for attention - that's the modern world of social media.
Sex addicts? There are a lot of them on here, of course - I would urge people not to criticise if people are addicted to sex. In variably those people are deeply unhappy people who often think about suicide.Be nice to them. |
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"Fab has become a social media platform for many people - it's not just a sex-contact site anymore, so of course people are going to appear to be looking for attention - that's the modern world of social media.
Sex addicts? There are a lot of them on here, of course - I would urge people not to criticise if people are addicted to sex. In variably those people are deeply unhappy people who often think about suicide.Be nice to them."
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over a year ago
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"To the OP - if you want free-thinking liberals they're thin on the ground on here.
This site is a cross-section of society in many ways, and not terribly well represented by us leftie-liberals.
There is another site that's full of them but I'll probably get banned if I mention the name of it."
Yeah I thought that. Always going to be a mix and match of everyone on places like this.
Guess I thought, or more like hoped that swinging and liberalism would go hand in hand. Then again, I also thought that about travelling and there weren't many liberals backpacking either.
Thanks! I will look out for this website so you don't get banned. |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"To the OP - if you want free-thinking liberals they're thin on the ground on here.
This site is a cross-section of society in many ways, and not terribly well represented by us leftie-liberals.
There is another site that's full of them but I'll probably get banned if I mention the name of it.
Yeah I thought that. Always going to be a mix and match of everyone on places like this.
Guess I thought, or more like hoped that swinging and liberalism would go hand in hand. Then again, I also thought that about travelling and there weren't many liberals backpacking either.
Thanks! I will look out for this website so you don't get banned. "
In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general. |
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"Fab has become a social media platform for many people - it's not just a sex-contact site anymore, so of course people are going to appear to be looking for attention - that's the modern world of social media.
Sex addicts? There are a lot of them on here, of course - I would urge people not to criticise if people are addicted to sex. In variably those people are deeply unhappy people who often think about suicide.Be nice to them."
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"Fab has become a social media platform for many people - it's not just a sex-contact site anymore, so of course people are going to appear to be looking for attention - that's the modern world of social media.
Sex addicts? There are a lot of them on here, of course - I would urge people not to criticise if people are addicted to sex. In variably those people are deeply unhappy people who often think about suicide.Be nice to them."
Yeah I noticed this: People updating their status like it's facebook with very mundane, every day comments about the day to day grind.
I understand that in a place like this, you need attention, otherwise no one will notice you. At the same time I guess I'm disappointed that no matter what I say, my only hope of a response is if I send a half naked shot with it.
I guess, most of the questions I ask are as much for myself as anyone else. Like a ethical or moral dilemma.
I wouldn't criticise any sort of addict, but I do like to try and get in their head and try to understand what drives them. Especially when we're talking about something that is integral to our survival as a species. People fascinate me and I love hearing different opinions on why they act like they do. Hopefully I won't push anyone to suicide with my inquisitive nature |
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"To the OP - if you want free-thinking liberals they're thin on the ground on here.
This site is a cross-section of society in many ways, and not terribly well represented by us leftie-liberals.
There is another site that's full of them but I'll probably get banned if I mention the name of it.
Yeah I thought that. Always going to be a mix and match of everyone on places like this.
Guess I thought, or more like hoped that swinging and liberalism would go hand in hand. Then again, I also thought that about travelling and there weren't many liberals backpacking either.
Thanks! I will look out for this website so you don't get banned.
In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general."
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
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Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'. |
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'....
Was a genuine question
The answer is no then, but I do not seek empowerment from a sex site forum, only distraction, or if I am lucky, entertainment."
Ahh right. You know my comment wasn't directed at you or any other women right? You answered like it was a direct dig at you. We all have our reasons for being here and I guess distraction and entertainment are as a good as reasons as any... Even if those two are closely linked to attention.....
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'....
Was a genuine question
The answer is no then, but I do not seek empowerment from a sex site forum, only distraction, or if I am lucky, entertainment.
Ahh right. You know my comment wasn't directed at you or any other women right? You answered like it was a direct dig at you. We all have our reasons for being here and I guess distraction and entertainment are as a good as reasons as any... Even if those two are closely linked to attention.....
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Distraction and the desire for entertainment are closely linked to attention seeking?
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'."
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable' |
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'....
Was a genuine question
The answer is no then, but I do not seek empowerment from a sex site forum, only distraction, or if I am lucky, entertainment.
Ahh right. You know my comment wasn't directed at you or any other women right? You answered like it was a direct dig at you. We all have our reasons for being here and I guess distraction and entertainment are as a good as reasons as any... Even if those two are closely linked to attention.....
Distraction and the desire for entertainment are closely linked to attention seeking?
How so?"
Is a person distracting them? Are the getting their ATTENTION to do so?
Who is entertaining them? Are they paying them attention whilst doing so?
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'"
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ? |
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ? "
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
North Oxfordshire |
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'"
The swinging sixties is generally called so because of the music, I believe. Not because of sex related swinging which was popularised in the 70s.
Also, I don't believe that lower class people were mostly illiterate in the 70s. |
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change"
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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And FWIW, swinging clubs are not public places because they are, by very definition, not open to all. They are private members clubs, and you generally must be members to attend. The very opposite of a public place. |
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change"
Conflict and confusion?
Yeah, I'll say!
Your OP was in a rather accusatory tone
You seem to have completely backtracked, and are now saying you originally put your OP out there for debate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please"
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please
Please god don't ask him to "elaborate" in the street. It will frighten the horses "
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
The swinging sixties is generally called so because of the music, I believe. Not because of sex related swinging which was popularised in the 70s.
Also, I don't believe that lower class people were mostly illiterate in the 70s."
Nah they were definitely on about shagging. Swing is a form of jazz and was from the 1920s so a little late to the party otherwise. Plus look up the definition and also when the term 'free love' was popuralised.
Swinging started in the 70s? Come on, gotta be way older than that right? Maybe if you're talking about the 1870s.... Even then people would've been swinging way before then. No way that prostitution is the oldest trade in the world and yet there were no swingers about at the same time. The fact that people still look down on it today tells you everything you need to know about why it's not in the history books |
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please"
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
North Oxfordshire |
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Swinging started in the 70s? Come on, gotta be way older than that right? Maybe if you're talking about the 1870s.... Even then people would've been swinging way before then. No way that prostitution is the oldest trade in the world and yet there were no swingers about at the same time. The fact that people still look down on it today tells you everything you need to know about why it's not in the history books"
Swinging, as we know it, was popularised in the 70s because it only really became less of a risk due to the availability of the contraceptive pill in the mid 60s.
It's in plenty of history books, if you look in the right history books. There are lots of books written about sexual practices during the twentieth century.
And you're very confused if you think prostitution was anything to do with swinging. Prostitution, pre reliable contraception, was basically women being paid to take the risk of getting pregnant for a mans pleasure. Swinging is something that is (hopefully) much more egalitarian and less risky. |
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over a year ago
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As an aside, can I just say that I detest the term 'swinger'? Not that it counts for anything, but there is a fair amount of snobbery around 'the scene' with regard to the 'swingery' element..
From the outside it's just sex, but on the inside there are so many sub-elements and spin-offs within what I prefer to call 'the recreational sex community'.
I know, I'm a right tosser.
Swingers are viewed by quite a large proportion of the BDSM community, and what's known as the 'sex-positive' (leftie) community for example, as being a bit 70's, a bit chavvy, and slightly unsavoury/not cool.
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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Swingers are viewed by quite a large proportion of the BDSM community, and what's known as the 'sex-positive' (leftie) community for example, as being a bit 70's, a bit chavvy, and slightly unsavoury/not cool.
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That's because an awful lot of self identified swingers are a bit 70s and a bit chavvy and a bit unsavoury. |
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
Conflict and confusion?
Yeah, I'll say!
Your OP was in a rather accusatory tone
You seem to have completely backtracked, and are now saying you originally put your OP out there for debate"
Nah wasn't throwing out any accusations. Not really sure what is meant by that btw.
As said, my phrasing is not meant to offend. And I also stated before all my opinions are open for debate and change. I don't feel like it has changed but it might.
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"That's because an awful lot of self identified swingers are a bit 70s and a bit chavvy and a bit unsavoury."
Oh absolutely - it isn't an accident that a lot of people think like this! |
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please
Please god don't ask him to "elaborate" in the street. It will frighten the horses
Listen you
I do the picky, pedantic shit around here "
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please
Please god don't ask him to "elaborate" in the street. It will frighten the horses
Listen you
I do the picky, pedantic shit around here
I'm in awe of your PhD in pedantry
But it's probably wasted on such a confused thread"
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please
Please god don't ask him to "elaborate" in the street. It will frighten the horses
Listen you
I do the picky, pedantic shit around here
I'm in awe of your PhD in pedantry
But it's probably wasted on such a confused thread
Story of my life
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please
Please god don't ask him to "elaborate" in the street. It will frighten the horses
Listen you
I do the picky, pedantic shit around here
I'm in awe of your PhD in pedantry
But it's probably wasted on such a confused thread
Story of my life
Being wasted
Glass of Red? "
Red? Do you KNOW who you're addressing?
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over a year ago
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Swinging started in the 70s? Come on, gotta be way older than that right? Maybe if you're talking about the 1870s.... Even then people would've been swinging way before then. No way that prostitution is the oldest trade in the world and yet there were no swingers about at the same time. The fact that people still look down on it today tells you everything you need to know about why it's not in the history books
Swinging, as we know it, was popularised in the 70s because it only really became less of a risk due to the availability of the contraceptive pill in the mid 60s.
It's in plenty of history books, if you look in the right history books. There are lots of books written about sexual practices during the twentieth century.
And you're very confused if you think prostitution was anything to do with swinging. Prostitution, pre reliable contraception, was basically women being paid to take the risk of getting pregnant for a mans pleasure. Swinging is something that is (hopefully) much more egalitarian and less risky."
Ok as we know it... So yeah it started way before people were putting keys in a bowl I'm not saying that I know when it started but anything we have in books is not going to be the first instance. People could only document what was happening to them if they could write, so the further back you look, the less likely the poor would've been writing anything.
I was trying to make the point that if people would have been having sex for money or goods without it being looked down upon, they would have been more likely to have sex openly in front of others. Plus the obvious one of religion. Before religion there was no negativity around adultery because it wasn't a thing.
Obviously the term swinging came about recently but the act has been about ages
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over a year ago
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In my experience, swinging tends to be more right leaning than left in general.
Man that's depressing! Care to elaborate?
Swinging to me, and being open to all the elements that come along with it surely go against more right wing conservative opinions right?
I hope we're not lumping those who find it easier to conform it the right box though.
Surely if you were proper right wing you'd be against people openly expressing themselves sexually in a public place?
Well, swinging is traditionally quite conservative. It was originally centered around 'wife swapping' which is actually quite a heteronormative and slightly misogynistic way of looking at swinging. It was also primarily done by the middle classes, which was also a largely conservative demographic.
Not sure which 'elements' you are talking about to be honest. If you stick around the swinging forums for very long you'll find conservative opinions very common here especially when it comes to how women are talked about.
Not sure what expressing yourself sexually in a public place has to do with anything - have sex in public is illegal and IMO completely unacceptable. Swinging clubs are a different matter, but are not 'public places'.
They are public places because they are open to the public. Yes there are age constraints but they are still open to everyone.
How is swinging and having multiple partners conservative? Surely you have to see the contradiction there even if we are only going by definition. Ever heard of the swinging 60s? Hazard a guess to why they were called that?
Giving me a history lesson about how it started doesn't help either. I'm guessing the middle classes were the only ones that were literate so the only ones who could document their sexual exploits. I'm sure the lower classes were doing the same, especially as they were less educated. Plus, if you look far enough back enough you'll find that we do not have one partner because of tribes. If everyone shag everyone within a tribe no one knows whos kids are theirs so will protect them all.
I think women have all the power on here so a few comments from men will soon get washed away. Not that I condone them in any way.
Strange that someone on a swinging site would have such negative thoughts around sex or at least watching it. Why is it unacceptable? I would love to completely get rid of the negative stigma surrounding sex. Not so we could shag in the streets, although I would have no problem with this, more so that we view such a beautiful act as normal... Maybe that doesn't apply to all sex that is had on here but surely when we glorify violence and hurting each other in such a way we can look at sex as something other than 'unacceptable'
So can we all be sex addicts then or not I'm sensing a confusion in your replies. ?
Not sure what question you're asking there... You can be whatever you want I guess...
There's always conflict and confusion in my opinion! Why it's open to change
You would have no problem with people " shagging in the streets?"
Elaborate please
Please god don't ask him to "elaborate" in the street. It will frighten the horses
Listen you
I do the picky, pedantic shit around here
I'm in awe of your PhD in pedantry
But it's probably wasted on such a confused thread
Story of my life
Being wasted
Glass of Red?
Red? Do you KNOW who you're addressing?
Pink sparkly Prosecco only if you please. "
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over a year ago
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Swinging started in the 70s? Come on, gotta be way older than that right? Maybe if you're talking about the 1870s.... Even then people would've been swinging way before then. No way that prostitution is the oldest trade in the world and yet there were no swingers about at the same time. The fact that people still look down on it today tells you everything you need to know about why it's not in the history books
Swinging, as we know it, was popularised in the 70s because it only really became less of a risk due to the availability of the contraceptive pill in the mid 60s.
It's in plenty of history books, if you look in the right history books. There are lots of books written about sexual practices during the twentieth century.
And you're very confused if you think prostitution was anything to do with swinging. Prostitution, pre reliable contraception, was basically women being paid to take the risk of getting pregnant for a mans pleasure. Swinging is something that is (hopefully) much more egalitarian and less risky.
Ok as we know it... So yeah it started way before people were putting keys in a bowl I'm not saying that I know when it started but anything we have in books is not going to be the first instance. People could only document what was happening to them if they could write, so the further back you look, the less likely the poor would've been writing anything.
I was trying to make the point that if people would have been having sex for money or goods without it being looked down upon, they would have been more likely to have sex openly in front of others. Plus the obvious one of religion. Before religion there was no negativity around adultery because it wasn't a thing.
Obviously the term swinging came about recently but the act has been about ages
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There is evidence of some cultures having 'wife sharing' arrangements in place historically, dating back hundreds of years. However I would argue that this is absolutely nothing like 'swinging' and shouldn't really be discussed under the same heading.
Not sure what you're saying about religion though - there have been some Christian branches that have had wife sharing arrangements as part of the culture, and others where multiple partner relationships are acceptable. The same is true of other world religions too.
It comes down to the fact though that modern swinging is about mutual pleasure. It is only recently (the last few decades, really) that female pleasure has been an acceptable thing to express due to our patriarchal society and so sex for pleasure was really something that was primarily reserved for men - hence why prostitution was common but swinging (as we know it) was not. |
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To give a very short view - monogamy is a thoroughly modern concept anyway. The species would have died out long ago had we all been life-partners from the get-go.
Human sexual evolution (in my view) follows the same lineage as bonobos, so we were never meant to be monogamous anyway.
The advent of agriculture, and later, religion is really what made monogamy a societal norm. |
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over a year ago
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Swinging started in the 70s? Come on, gotta be way older than that right? Maybe if you're talking about the 1870s.... Even then people would've been swinging way before then. No way that prostitution is the oldest trade in the world and yet there were no swingers about at the same time. The fact that people still look down on it today tells you everything you need to know about why it's not in the history books
Swinging, as we know it, was popularised in the 70s because it only really became less of a risk due to the availability of the contraceptive pill in the mid 60s.
It's in plenty of history books, if you look in the right history books. There are lots of books written about sexual practices during the twentieth century.
And you're very confused if you think prostitution was anything to do with swinging. Prostitution, pre reliable contraception, was basically women being paid to take the risk of getting pregnant for a mans pleasure. Swinging is something that is (hopefully) much more egalitarian and less risky.
Ok as we know it... So yeah it started way before people were putting keys in a bowl I'm not saying that I know when it started but anything we have in books is not going to be the first instance. People could only document what was happening to them if they could write, so the further back you look, the less likely the poor would've been writing anything.
I was trying to make the point that if people would have been having sex for money or goods without it being looked down upon, they would have been more likely to have sex openly in front of others. Plus the obvious one of religion. Before religion there was no negativity around adultery because it wasn't a thing.
Obviously the term swinging came about recently but the act has been about ages
There is evidence of some cultures having 'wife sharing' arrangements in place historically, dating back hundreds of years. However I would argue that this is absolutely nothing like 'swinging' and shouldn't really be discussed under the same heading.
Not sure what you're saying about religion though - there have been some Christian branches that have had wife sharing arrangements as part of the culture, and others where multiple partner relationships are acceptable. The same is true of other world religions too.
It comes down to the fact though that modern swinging is about mutual pleasure. It is only recently (the last few decades, really) that female pleasure has been an acceptable thing to express due to our patriarchal society and so sex for pleasure was really something that was primarily reserved for men - hence why prostitution was common but swinging (as we know it) was not."
We don't always need evidence to prove things: People would have been just as horny back in the day. And before there was a god to tell them that they are evil or sinners, sex would've been more open. And as I said before there's lots of evidence that says we sleep with, and are attracted to people other than your partner because of survival of the tribe. Same as why most people would kill someone they didn't know in order to save someone in their family.
To define what modern swinging is doesn't really interest me. I don't take much notice of labels when it comes to massive categories like swinging. People know what I mean so that'll do pig... That'll do.
Plus, I probably discuss lots of things under that heading that don't meet the dictionary definition.
Just because certain sects of Christians did those things does not mean the religion says condones it... But let's not get into a book that has caused so much hatred and was originally a trip log. |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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Swinging started in the 70s? Come on, gotta be way older than that right? Maybe if you're talking about the 1870s.... Even then people would've been swinging way before then. No way that prostitution is the oldest trade in the world and yet there were no swingers about at the same time. The fact that people still look down on it today tells you everything you need to know about why it's not in the history books
Swinging, as we know it, was popularised in the 70s because it only really became less of a risk due to the availability of the contraceptive pill in the mid 60s.
It's in plenty of history books, if you look in the right history books. There are lots of books written about sexual practices during the twentieth century.
And you're very confused if you think prostitution was anything to do with swinging. Prostitution, pre reliable contraception, was basically women being paid to take the risk of getting pregnant for a mans pleasure. Swinging is something that is (hopefully) much more egalitarian and less risky.
Ok as we know it... So yeah it started way before people were putting keys in a bowl I'm not saying that I know when it started but anything we have in books is not going to be the first instance. People could only document what was happening to them if they could write, so the further back you look, the less likely the poor would've been writing anything.
I was trying to make the point that if people would have been having sex for money or goods without it being looked down upon, they would have been more likely to have sex openly in front of others. Plus the obvious one of religion. Before religion there was no negativity around adultery because it wasn't a thing.
Obviously the term swinging came about recently but the act has been about ages
There is evidence of some cultures having 'wife sharing' arrangements in place historically, dating back hundreds of years. However I would argue that this is absolutely nothing like 'swinging' and shouldn't really be discussed under the same heading.
Not sure what you're saying about religion though - there have been some Christian branches that have had wife sharing arrangements as part of the culture, and others where multiple partner relationships are acceptable. The same is true of other world religions too.
It comes down to the fact though that modern swinging is about mutual pleasure. It is only recently (the last few decades, really) that female pleasure has been an acceptable thing to express due to our patriarchal society and so sex for pleasure was really something that was primarily reserved for men - hence why prostitution was common but swinging (as we know it) was not.
We don't always need evidence to prove things: People would have been just as horny back in the day. And before there was a god to tell them that they are evil or sinners, sex would've been more open. And as I said before there's lots of evidence that says we sleep with, and are attracted to people other than your partner because of survival of the tribe. Same as why most people would kill someone they didn't know in order to save someone in their family.
To define what modern swinging is doesn't really interest me. I don't take much notice of labels when it comes to massive categories like swinging. People know what I mean so that'll do pig... That'll do.
Plus, I probably discuss lots of things under that heading that don't meet the dictionary definition.
Just because certain sects of Christians did those things does not mean the religion says condones it... But let's not get into a book that has caused so much hatred and was originally a trip log."
If you could not be quite so rude about my religion, that would be great.
You seem to be talking alot about sleeping around to help the tribe survive, but you're missing an important point - that was in order to have babies. Sex for pleasure is generally not done for the purpose of having babies. That's the big difference between swinging and what you're talking about. |
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"To give a very short view - monogamy is a thoroughly modern concept anyway. The species would have died out long ago had we all been life-partners from the get-go.
Human sexual evolution (in my view) follows the same lineage as bonobos, so we were never meant to be monogamous anyway.
The advent of agriculture, and later, religion is really what made monogamy a societal norm."
Yeah I also heard this. They say that all of our bodies impulses are mainly related to survival. So it's a lot more advantageous and easier for us to survive if poly |
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Swinging started in the 70s? Come on, gotta be way older than that right? Maybe if you're talking about the 1870s.... Even then people would've been swinging way before then. No way that prostitution is the oldest trade in the world and yet there were no swingers about at the same time. The fact that people still look down on it today tells you everything you need to know about why it's not in the history books
Swinging, as we know it, was popularised in the 70s because it only really became less of a risk due to the availability of the contraceptive pill in the mid 60s.
It's in plenty of history books, if you look in the right history books. There are lots of books written about sexual practices during the twentieth century.
And you're very confused if you think prostitution was anything to do with swinging. Prostitution, pre reliable contraception, was basically women being paid to take the risk of getting pregnant for a mans pleasure. Swinging is something that is (hopefully) much more egalitarian and less risky.
Ok as we know it... So yeah it started way before people were putting keys in a bowl I'm not saying that I know when it started but anything we have in books is not going to be the first instance. People could only document what was happening to them if they could write, so the further back you look, the less likely the poor would've been writing anything.
I was trying to make the point that if people would have been having sex for money or goods without it being looked down upon, they would have been more likely to have sex openly in front of others. Plus the obvious one of religion. Before religion there was no negativity around adultery because it wasn't a thing.
Obviously the term swinging came about recently but the act has been about ages
There is evidence of some cultures having 'wife sharing' arrangements in place historically, dating back hundreds of years. However I would argue that this is absolutely nothing like 'swinging' and shouldn't really be discussed under the same heading.
Not sure what you're saying about religion though - there have been some Christian branches that have had wife sharing arrangements as part of the culture, and others where multiple partner relationships are acceptable. The same is true of other world religions too.
It comes down to the fact though that modern swinging is about mutual pleasure. It is only recently (the last few decades, really) that female pleasure has been an acceptable thing to express due to our patriarchal society and so sex for pleasure was really something that was primarily reserved for men - hence why prostitution was common but swinging (as we know it) was not.
We don't always need evidence to prove things: People would have been just as horny back in the day. And before there was a god to tell them that they are evil or sinners, sex would've been more open. And as I said before there's lots of evidence that says we sleep with, and are attracted to people other than your partner because of survival of the tribe. Same as why most people would kill someone they didn't know in order to save someone in their family.
To define what modern swinging is doesn't really interest me. I don't take much notice of labels when it comes to massive categories like swinging. People know what I mean so that'll do pig... That'll do.
Plus, I probably discuss lots of things under that heading that don't meet the dictionary definition.
Just because certain sects of Christians did those things does not mean the religion says condones it... But let's not get into a book that has caused so much hatred and was originally a trip log.
If you could not be quite so rude about my religion, that would be great.
You seem to be talking alot about sleeping around to help the tribe survive, but you're missing an important point - that was in order to have babies. Sex for pleasure is generally not done for the purpose of having babies. That's the big difference between swinging and what you're talking about."
Well I'm sorry, and I mean no offence to any Christians, but, Christianity has caused lots of wars and lots and lots of hatred and divides! I don't think it's harsh to be factual. And yes, originally it was a trip log. Read the dead sea scrolls (original bible) and tell me any different. That book is bat shit crazy!!!!
Just because it wasn't sex for pleasure doesn't mean that it wasn't happening. Plus, how do we know It wasn't for pleasure anyway? Must have been fun doing that sort of thing before guilt. |
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'....
Was a genuine question
The answer is no then, but I do not seek empowerment from a sex site forum, only distraction, or if I am lucky, entertainment.
Ahh right. You know my comment wasn't directed at you or any other women right? You answered like it was a direct dig at you. We all have our reasons for being here and I guess distraction and entertainment are as a good as reasons as any... Even if those two are closely linked to attention.....
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I didn't take your post personally, you misinterpreted me if you thought that, I merely disagreed.
I also disagree distraction and entertainment are linked to attention seeking - they are passive. If I want attention, I'll start a thread - like you just did. |
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'....
Was a genuine question
The answer is no then, but I do not seek empowerment from a sex site forum, only distraction, or if I am lucky, entertainment.
Ahh right. You know my comment wasn't directed at you or any other women right? You answered like it was a direct dig at you. We all have our reasons for being here and I guess distraction and entertainment are as a good as reasons as any... Even if those two are closely linked to attention.....
I didn't take your post personally, you misinterpreted me if you thought that, I merely disagreed.
I also disagree distraction and entertainment are linked to attention seeking - they are passive. If I want attention, I'll start a thread - like you just did. "
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"I'm not addicted to sex and I ignore most of the 'attention' I get in the form of unsolicited mail.
So I think your argument is a tad simplistic!
Well done! How does that make you feel? Empowered?
Lol, whoa what an aggressive response to a simple observation! Now I think you must have 'issues'....
Was a genuine question
The answer is no then, but I do not seek empowerment from a sex site forum, only distraction, or if I am lucky, entertainment.
Ahh right. You know my comment wasn't directed at you or any other women right? You answered like it was a direct dig at you. We all have our reasons for being here and I guess distraction and entertainment are as a good as reasons as any... Even if those two are closely linked to attention.....
I didn't take your post personally, you misinterpreted me if you thought that, I merely disagreed.
I also disagree distraction and entertainment are linked to attention seeking - they are passive. If I want attention, I'll start a thread - like you just did. "
Well you sounded like you were talking about yourself by using the pronoun 'I'. Don't worry though, 'I' get what you mean... Not talking about me though, merely disagreeing.
So you disagree that entertainment and distraction are both attention based? And you tell me how you disagree by pointing out that I started a thread?... Good point well made... |
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Well you sounded like you were talking about yourself by using the pronoun 'I'.
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I was merely pointing out that there were plenty of exceptions, simply using myself as an example.
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So you disagree that entertainment and distraction are both attention based?
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Of course, obviously not, if you mean attention seeking, your use of language is not clear.
If I go to the cinema for entertainment I am not seeking attention.
If I read a magazine to distract me from my work, i am not seeking attention.
If I start a thread, I probably am.
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Well you sounded like you were talking about yourself by using the pronoun 'I'.
I was merely pointing out that there were plenty of exceptions, simply using myself as an example.
So you disagree that entertainment and distraction are both attention based?
Of course, obviously not, if you mean attention seeking, your use of language is not clear.
If I go to the cinema for entertainment I am not seeking attention.
If I read a magazine to distract me from my work, i am not seeking attention.
If I start a thread, I probably am.
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But they are attention based right? Distracted by another person or thing getting your ATTENTION?
Or entertained by someone else having your attention, be they on a screen or not.
So... are you talking about yourself or are you merely disagreeing?...
I'm only being facetious now by the way. Different strokes for different folks eh. When I'm arguing the definitions of words with strangers, I think it's a sure sign that I should stop speaking |
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Well you sounded like you were talking about yourself by using the pronoun 'I'.
I was merely pointing out that there were plenty of exceptions, simply using myself as an example.
So you disagree that entertainment and distraction are both attention based?
Of course, obviously not, if you mean attention seeking, your use of language is not clear.
If I go to the cinema for entertainment I am not seeking attention.
If I read a magazine to distract me from my work, i am not seeking attention.
If I start a thread, I probably am.
But they are attention based right? Distracted by another person or thing getting your ATTENTION?
Or entertained by someone else having your attention, be they on a screen or not.
So... are you talking about yourself or are you merely disagreeing?...
I'm only being facetious now by the way. Different strokes for different folks eh. When I'm arguing the definitions of words with strangers, I think it's a sure sign that I should stop speaking"
What on earth are you on about?
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Well you sounded like you were talking about yourself by using the pronoun 'I'.
I was merely pointing out that there were plenty of exceptions, simply using myself as an example.
So you disagree that entertainment and distraction are both attention based?
Of course, obviously not, if you mean attention seeking, your use of language is not clear.
If I go to the cinema for entertainment I am not seeking attention.
If I read a magazine to distract me from my work, i am not seeking attention.
If I start a thread, I probably am.
But they are attention based right? Distracted by another person or thing getting your ATTENTION?
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So what, that has nothing to do with your OP which was about attention seeking. |
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