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A 22 year old man has avoided 12 years in jail after the prosecution (i.e. not his defence) realised he wasn't guilty. He was accused of that crime that we dare not mention on fab and his accuser lied in court. There were 40,000 messages (text and emails) that proved his innocence but the police initially refused to provide them to the prosecution. It's only because a new prosecution barrister took over and didn't accept that he couldn't see the records, that this came to light. By pure fluke, this poor man has been spared 12 years in prison and having his life ruined.
However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem. |
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The police service can't prosecute such matters without consulting CPS who make the decision as to whether there is sufficient evidence or if it's in the public interest. As usual I'm sure there's more to it. |
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" However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem. "
And that's the real point, both the police and CPS are stretched to breaking point.
Sadly I have no doubt that there are innocent people in prison as a result of austerity |
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" The police service can't prosecute such matters without consulting CPS who make the decision as to whether there is sufficient evidence or if it's in the public interest. As usual I'm sure there's more to it."
Ok so the CPS were incompetent too? |
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"That said, this is seemingly another case that seems to present a confusing message about consent. From what I can see, because she enjoyed sex with him previously and he was a regular sexual partner there seems to be an assumption that all sexual activity between the 2 must be consensual"
In addition to that the text messages directly contradicted evidence she gave in court. She was not a credible witness and should be prosectued for perverting the course of justice and or contempt of court. |
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" However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem.
And that's the real point, both the police and CPS are stretched to breaking point.
Sadly I have no doubt that there are innocent people in prison as a result of austerity"
I’m not sure austerity is the reason, miscarriages of justice, stupidity and human error were taking place long before austerity measures were put in place. If the same amount of effort were put into proper crime cases as stealth taxing the granny out of the tax paying public, then I’m sure a lot less of these ‘mistakes’ would happen |
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"That said, this is seemingly another case that seems to present a confusing message about consent. From what I can see, because she enjoyed sex with him previously and he was a regular sexual partner there seems to be an assumption that all sexual activity between the 2 must be consensual
In addition to that the text messages directly contradicted evidence she gave in court. She was not a credible witness and should be prosectued for perverting the course of justice and or contempt of court."
I deleted the post as I went back to read the article and realised that she was still texting him for sex after the alleged assaults |
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" However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem.
And that's the real point, both the police and CPS are stretched to breaking point.
Sadly I have no doubt that there are innocent people in prison as a result of austerity
I’m not sure austerity is the reason, miscarriages of justice, stupidity and human error were taking place long before austerity measures were put in place. If the same amount of effort were put into proper crime cases as stealth taxing the granny out of the tax paying public, then I’m sure a lot less of these ‘mistakes’ would happen "
It was the opinion of the prosecution barrister who, let's face it, deserves a medal for honesty. Clearly his predecessor didn't have any problems with getting an easy W for sending an innocent man to jail. I think the point is that there shouldn't be single points of failure in this system but austerity makes organisations take short cuts that are designed to stop single points of failure. |
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" The police service can't prosecute such matters without consulting CPS who make the decision as to whether there is sufficient evidence or if it's in the public interest. As usual I'm sure there's more to it."
Your missing the point the evidence was witheld from the CPS the police had a disk from her phone provider which had all the evidence which showed she was condsenting. |
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"That said, this is seemingly another case that seems to present a confusing message about consent. From what I can see, because she enjoyed sex with him previously and he was a regular sexual partner there seems to be an assumption that all sexual activity between the 2 must be consensual
In addition to that the text messages directly contradicted evidence she gave in court. She was not a credible witness and should be prosectued for perverting the course of justice and or contempt of court.
I deleted the post as I went back to read the article and realised that she was still texting him for sex after the alleged assaults"
It is theoretically possible that there were non-consentual episodes and she had sex with him after as well. But honestly that kind of thing needs a new word because you can't compare it to poor women who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
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" However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem.
And that's the real point, both the police and CPS are stretched to breaking point.
Sadly I have no doubt that there are innocent people in prison as a result of austerity
I’m not sure austerity is the reason, miscarriages of justice, stupidity and human error were taking place long before austerity measures were put in place. If the same amount of effort were put into proper crime cases as stealth taxing the granny out of the tax paying public, then I’m sure a lot less of these ‘mistakes’ would happen
It was the opinion of the prosecution barrister who, let's face it, deserves a medal for honesty. Clearly his predecessor didn't have any problems with getting an easy W for sending an innocent man to jail. I think the point is that there shouldn't be single points of failure in this system but austerity makes organisations take short cuts that are designed to stop single points of failure."
Austerity makes nothing, the money used is always less than required regardless of the austerity. It’s a symptom of the society we live in, you want free services? Great. They have become gravy trains, would you like to pay more tax? No thank you, let’s vote the other lot in! And so it continues |
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" However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem.
And that's the real point, both the police and CPS are stretched to breaking point.
Sadly I have no doubt that there are innocent people in prison as a result of austerity
I’m not sure austerity is the reason, miscarriages of justice, stupidity and human error were taking place long before austerity measures were put in place. If the same amount of effort were put into proper crime cases as stealth taxing the granny out of the tax paying public, then I’m sure a lot less of these ‘mistakes’ would happen
It was the opinion of the prosecution barrister who, let's face it, deserves a medal for honesty. Clearly his predecessor didn't have any problems with getting an easy W for sending an innocent man to jail. I think the point is that there shouldn't be single points of failure in this system but austerity makes organisations take short cuts that are designed to stop single points of failure.
Austerity makes nothing, the money used is always less than required regardless of the austerity. It’s a symptom of the society we live in, you want free services? Great. They have become gravy trains, would you like to pay more tax? No thank you, let’s vote the other lot in! And so it continues "
I would like 35% of our GDP to be collected in tax and spent on public services. I think that's a well balanced number. Whilst 35% is perfectly reasonable in normal years, we have a debt crisis that means too much of that 35% is spend on past enjoyments than current needs. How you unfuck that situation is complicated. |
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" However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem.
And that's the real point, both the police and CPS are stretched to breaking point.
Sadly I have no doubt that there are innocent people in prison as a result of austerity
I’m not sure austerity is the reason, miscarriages of justice, stupidity and human error were taking place long before austerity measures were put in place. If the same amount of effort were put into proper crime cases as stealth taxing the granny out of the tax paying public, then I’m sure a lot less of these ‘mistakes’ would happen
It was the opinion of the prosecution barrister who, let's face it, deserves a medal for honesty. Clearly his predecessor didn't have any problems with getting an easy W for sending an innocent man to jail. I think the point is that there shouldn't be single points of failure in this system but austerity makes organisations take short cuts that are designed to stop single points of failure.
Austerity makes nothing, the money used is always less than required regardless of the austerity. It’s a symptom of the society we live in, you want free services? Great. They have become gravy trains, would you like to pay more tax? No thank you, let’s vote the other lot in! And so it continues
I would like 35% of our GDP to be collected in tax and spent on public services. I think that's a well balanced number. Whilst 35% is perfectly reasonable in normal years, we have a debt crisis that means too much of that 35% is spend on past enjoyments than current needs. How you unfuck that situation is complicated. "
Very true. Too much is a matter of opinion though and a matter of perspective. |
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If they can place your phone at the scene of a crime they can use it to prove you were there.
But if they can place your phone at home during a crime, that does not prove you were at home.
It's never been harder to get convictions but there is a lot of cheery picking what proves what. |
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We can easily point the finger of blame at the police and cps, but ultimately it is the person making the accusation that is at fault.
The police can only deal with the evidence in front of them and with a mass of emails/texts, the chances are they were not all looked at. The police were looking for evidence of guilt based upon the accusers statement and would have overlooked the ones not giving them what they want. Without trawling the whole mass of messages and understanding their context, they may have just seemed pointless drivel.
We are unlikely to know all the facts beyond she was a fantasist but one fact stands true, our police forces employ humans who are doing the best job they can because they believe in truth and justice for everyone... they are definitely not in it for the money because I wouldn't work the hours they do, dealing with the dregs of society or heartbreaking situations for the money they earn and I don't think most of you out there would either.. |
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"A 22 year old man has avoided 12 years in jail after the prosecution (i.e. not his defence) realised he wasn't guilty. He was accused of that crime that we dare not mention on fab and his accuser lied in court. There were 40,000 messages (text and emails) that proved his innocence but the police initially refused to provide them to the prosecution. It's only because a new prosecution barrister took over and didn't accept that he couldn't see the records, that this came to light. By pure fluke, this poor man has been spared 12 years in prison and having his life ruined.
However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem. "
It's not pure fluke. It is the duty of the Prosecution (and indeed the Defence) lawyers to ensure that ALL the evidence (whether it is supportive or contrary to that side's case) is before the Court.
And it doesn't say much for the Defence lawyers if they didn't ask to see the records of what had been found on his computer.
If it says 55,000 files and only 5,000 files are in the Court papers, then they should ask to see the other 50,000. They might be irrelevant, such as complaints to the bus company about the late bus, but they might just be relevant to the proceedings, as was the case here. |
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"We can easily point the finger of blame at the police and cps, but ultimately it is the person making the accusation that is at fault.
The police can only deal with the evidence in front of them and with a mass of emails/texts, the chances are they were not all looked at. The police were looking for evidence of guilt based upon the accusers statement and would have overlooked the ones not giving them what they want. Without trawling the whole mass of messages and understanding their context, they may have just seemed pointless drivel.
We are unlikely to know all the facts beyond she was a fantasist but one fact stands true, our police forces employ humans who are doing the best job they can because they believe in truth and justice for everyone... they are definitely not in it for the money because I wouldn't work the hours they do, dealing with the dregs of society or heartbreaking situations for the money they earn and I don't think most of you out there would either.. "
I sincerely doubt the accussed would not direct the police to look at certain messages amongst the 40,000 that indicate his innocence so it is probably not the needle in a haystack case you are suggesting. Whilst the women is clearly at fault, as usual it seems she will get no punishment for this whilst he has already been dragged through the mud for two years. |
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"A 22 year old man has avoided 12 years in jail after the prosecution (i.e. not his defence) realised he wasn't guilty. He was accused of that crime that we dare not mention on fab and his accuser lied in court. There were 40,000 messages (text and emails) that proved his innocence but the police initially refused to provide them to the prosecution. It's only because a new prosecution barrister took over and didn't accept that he couldn't see the records, that this came to light. By pure fluke, this poor man has been spared 12 years in prison and having his life ruined.
However, the barrister did mentioned that this was incompetence, not malice and said that cut backs to the funding of the justice system were at the heart of the problem.
It's not pure fluke. It is the duty of the Prosecution (and indeed the Defence) lawyers to ensure that ALL the evidence (whether it is supportive or contrary to that side's case) is before the Court.
And it doesn't say much for the Defence lawyers if they didn't ask to see the records of what had been found on his computer.
If it says 55,000 files and only 5,000 files are in the Court papers, then they should ask to see the other 50,000. They might be irrelevant, such as complaints to the bus company about the late bus, but they might just be relevant to the proceedings, as was the case here."
It's the job of the police and or the CPS to tell both the prosecution and defence whether there is anything of relevance in the 40,000 files. The defence asked and were told "no". It's only because the new prosecution didn't believe the first answer that he badgered them for it. |
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"Anyone who falsely accuses someone of that horrible thing is an arsehole. Urgh. "
The sad thing is that this kind of thing will put off real victims from prosecuting people that really are guilty. |
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"Anyone who falsely accuses someone of that horrible thing is an arsehole. Urgh.
The sad thing is that this kind of thing will put off real victims from prosecuting people that really are guilty. "
I know. The twats  |
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~30 similar cases are to be opened. It's funny how the harvey Weinstein scandals provoke a mass uprising on twitter and at least 4 threads on here but relatively few people give a stuff when a woman takes advantage of a man with a false allegation. |
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"It was the same officer involved in both cases.
I suspect this has little to do with cut back and more to do with incentives"
Unfortunately that is a trend in the government/ civil service at the moment. It's a top down "go and solve this many crimes" as if the state could perfectly predict how many crimes there will be. You see the same thing in job centers: "you must sanction 3 people a week" regardless of whether there are 3 people that deserve it or not. |
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"It was the same officer involved in both cases.
I suspect this has little to do with cut back and more to do with incentives
Unfortunately that is a trend in the government/ civil service at the moment. It's a top down "go and solve this many crimes" as if the state could perfectly predict how many crimes there will be. You see the same thing in job centers: "you must sanction 3 people a week" regardless of whether there are 3 people that deserve it or not."
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I think the solution is prosecution of both the claimant and police officer and when convicted a good widespread publicity campaign of they're guilt and folly |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand "
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For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension  |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension "
Very cynical but also probably true! |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension "
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed |
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If the police and the prosecution are so overloaded then why are they spending the precious time trying to send a man who they know is innocent to jail?
Are conviction rates so important that we have lost the whole point of the justice system? |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed "
history sadly shows that some, albeit a small minority have been more than happy to play a large part in miscarriages of justice..
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed "
If they are short staffed all the more reason NOT to go after someone they know is innocent. |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed
history sadly shows that some, albeit a small minority have been more than happy to play a large part in miscarriages of justice..
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True and it’s hard to believe that when a case like this comes to light.. first thing police will do is Check phones and communications between the two parties..
Would the accuser be held accountable? |
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"If the police and the prosecution are so overloaded then why are they spending the precious time trying to send a man who they know is innocent to jail?
Are conviction rates so important that we have lost the whole point of the justice system?"
the target driven culture i think as someone else has already alluded to is endemic in all aspects of the public sector..
seen it first hand in the fire service where the pressure from middle to senior management to hit targets was rife, quality takes second place when performance related pay is an element.. |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed
If they are short staffed all the more reason NOT to go after someone they know is innocent."
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Plebgate?.
You know, where the copper made up the pleb remark then got his copper mate to say he was walking past and heard him say it as well only for CCTV to show it as complete bollocks? |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed
history sadly shows that some, albeit a small minority have been more than happy to play a large part in miscarriages of justice..
True and it’s hard to believe that when a case like this comes to light.. first thing police will do is Check phones and communications between the two parties..
Would the accuser be held accountable? "
to a degree yes but its not a new thing that one party in an investigation will lie..
that such allegations get as far as they have in the cases highlighted is a worry..
bad on all points because where we already have what is seen to be a low prosecution rate in such crimes..
this may well only put some genuine victims off from coming forward which is not good.. |
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"Or the copper in the green enquiry who saw porn on his pc said nothing, kept notes illegally and was retired at ..... 45 
medically for MS..?
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I've got two friends with ms , cruel disease, they both still work |
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"So I guess the question really is, did the police do that deliberately? Or is it just incompetence? "
The police don't do things like this deliberately and as for incompetence, the police can only work with what they are given.
Yes, they are understaffed but they do the best they can.
The 40,000 emails that this case pivoted on seems to be what everyone is condemning the police for not checking 100%..
40,000?
Just imagine if your fab inbox could hold 40,000 messages, not just the 50 it does...
Enough people complain about not being able to read all of their messages now..
How could you expect a team of 2 officers to reasonably read and digest all those messages and build a context of the conversations?
I suspect the legal team had a far larger number of staff involved in their review, I would hazard a guess that the legal fees alone were greater than the police officers involved annual salaries combined, of course the legal team can afford to draft in additional staff to conduct a thorough review...
The crux of the matter is not the police being understaffed but the British legal institution that has it all tied up with lords at the top of the legal profession looking after young Tarquin and alike, making sure he becomes a barrister, all because daddy was on the Bar and plays golf with Lord whatsitotsit..overpaid and overvalued lawyers that add nothing to our legal system except another layer full of pomp and ceremony..
That is where the bulk of the money goes that could otherwise be used for more effective policing. |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed
history sadly shows that some, albeit a small minority have been more than happy to play a large part in miscarriages of justice..
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Sadiy it seems the minority isn’t that small. The point should be to prosecute them if the did it deliberately, but can you prosecute someone who is incompetent?
Surely some of the blame has to sit with the moron who gave the idiot the job? Or is it s case of trying to make it look like incompetence to save their mates skin? |
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"What can be the motive behind is what I don’t understand .
For the accuser, she could just be a fruit bat.
For the copper, your conviction rate is a fast track to promotion and early retirement on a very nice fat pension
I was referring to the Accuser, I don’t believe a copper would do something like that.. it is incompetence or short staffed
history sadly shows that some, albeit a small minority have been more than happy to play a large part in miscarriages of justice..
Sadiy it seems the minority isn’t that small. The point should be to prosecute them if the did it deliberately, but can you prosecute someone who is incompetent?
Surely some of the blame has to sit with the moron who gave the idiot the job? Or is it s case of trying to make it look like incompetence to save their mates skin? "
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"Plebgate?.
You know, where the copper made up the pleb remark then got his copper mate to say he was walking past and heard him say it as well only for CCTV to show it as complete bollocks?"
This and your other comments show you have no idea what you are talking about...
Skimming a few headlines fron the tabloids doesn't make you an expert... |
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"Plebgate?.
You know, where the copper made up the pleb remark then got his copper mate to say he was walking past and heard him say it as well only for CCTV to show it as complete bollocks?
This and your other comments show you have no idea what you are talking about...
Skimming a few headlines fron the tabloids doesn't make you an expert..."
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My understanding of discovery is that ALL the evidence must be presented to the defence. I may have read a different article but my understanding is the that evidence that proved the accused innocent was withheld from the defence.
It isn't the prosecution's job to find it but the defence can't find it if it isn't presented. |
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"So I guess the question really is, did the police do that deliberately? Or is it just incompetence?
The police don't do things like this deliberately and as for incompetence, the police can only work with what they are given.
Yes, they are understaffed but they do the best they can.
The 40,000 emails that this case pivoted on seems to be what everyone is condemning the police for not checking 100%..
40,000?
Just imagine if your fab inbox could hold 40,000 messages, not just the 50 it does...
Enough people complain about not being able to read all of their messages now..
How could you expect a team of 2 officers to reasonably read and digest all those messages and build a context of the conversations?
I suspect the legal team had a far larger number of staff involved in their review, I would hazard a guess that the legal fees alone were greater than the police officers involved annual salaries combined, of course the legal team can afford to draft in additional staff to conduct a thorough review...
The crux of the matter is not the police being understaffed but the British legal institution that has it all tied up with lords at the top of the legal profession looking after young Tarquin and alike, making sure he becomes a barrister, all because daddy was on the Bar and plays golf with Lord whatsitotsit..overpaid and overvalued lawyers that add nothing to our legal system except another layer full of pomp and ceremony..
That is where the bulk of the money goes that could otherwise be used for more effective policing. "
So your working assumption would be that at no point in all his interviews did the defendant flag to the police that he had messages strongly indicating his innocence?  |
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"So I guess the question really is, did the police do that deliberately? Or is it just incompetence?
The police don't do things like this deliberately and as for incompetence, the police can only work with what they are given.
Yes, they are understaffed but they do the best they can.
The 40,000 emails that this case pivoted on seems to be what everyone is condemning the police for not checking 100%..
40,000?
Just imagine if your fab inbox could hold 40,000 messages, not just the 50 it does...
Enough people complain about not being able to read all of their messages now..
How could you expect a team of 2 officers to reasonably read and digest all those messages and build a context of the conversations?
I suspect the legal team had a far larger number of staff involved in their review, I would hazard a guess that the legal fees alone were greater than the police officers involved annual salaries combined, of course the legal team can afford to draft in additional staff to conduct a thorough review...
The crux of the matter is not the police being understaffed but the British legal institution that has it all tied up with lords at the top of the legal profession looking after young Tarquin and alike, making sure he becomes a barrister, all because daddy was on the Bar and plays golf with Lord whatsitotsit..overpaid and overvalued lawyers that add nothing to our legal system except another layer full of pomp and ceremony..
That is where the bulk of the money goes that could otherwise be used for more effective policing. "
They were given everything, that’s the point. They had all the information and didn’t present it back. And yes they should read all the emails, That’s their job. |
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"Or the copper in the green enquiry who saw porn on his pc said nothing, kept notes illegally and was retired at ..... 45
medically for MS..?
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I've got two friends with ms , cruel disease, they both still work"
unless they are also in the police, what is your point in relation to the police officer retired on medical grounds..? |
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"Or the copper in the green enquiry who saw porn on his pc said nothing, kept notes illegally and was retired at ..... 45
medically for MS..?
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I've got two friends with ms , cruel disease, they both still work
unless they are also in the police, what is your point in relation to the police officer retired on medical grounds..?"
So they have a more severe type of ms than the aforementioned and also developed it at the time as the case? What a Coincidence |
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Today in the BBC:
A man jailed for 4.5 years has had his conviction overturned after new facebook evidence emerged. The messages showed that jurors had been given an "edited and misleading" picture. The woman in question told jurors she had deleted some messages to free up storage space |
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