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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I like a good debate. It's why I stay on fab;for the forums.
Sure the odd kiss avoid gap filler is ok but after a while it's good to have a topic worthy of thought,passion and perspective changing views.
But what are you like at debating? I notice the angry must get my point across, the quiet subtle suggestive sorts, the provocative stirrers and the quiet pondering all perspectives are valid types in here.
Are you good at debating or do you get wound up in here and mash your keyboard? |
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" I like a good debate. It's why I stay on fab;for the forums.
Sure the odd kiss avoid gap filler is ok but after a while it's good to have a topic worthy of thought,passion and perspective changing views.
But what are you like at debating? I notice the angry must get my point across, the quiet subtle suggestive sorts, the provocative stirrers and the quiet pondering all perspectives are valid types in here.
Are you good at debating or do you get wound up in here and mash your keyboard?"
I’m a mass debater ( sorry I’ll get my coat )  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
Bugger me, I change my mind ALL the time |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
I hear what you say, and I'm not sure those folk woukd debate like that in person, but I do believe there's been some great discussions on less fractious topics like married and cheating etc. I've had my mind changed in here and realised I've been a sanctimonious tosser! (Due to being tired after work). |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" I like a good debate. It's why I stay on fab;for the forums.
Sure the odd kiss avoid gap filler is ok but after a while it's good to have a topic worthy of thought,passion and perspective changing views.
But what are you like at debating? I notice the angry must get my point across, the quiet subtle suggestive sorts, the provocative stirrers and the quiet pondering all perspectives are valid types in here.
Are you good at debating or do you get wound up in here and mash your keyboard?
I’m a mass debater ( sorry I’ll get my coat ) "
no I liked it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
Why should we change our minds. We are always right. Silly man  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I like a good debate. It's why I stay on fab;for the forums.
Sure the odd kiss avoid gap filler is ok but after a while it's good to have a topic worthy of thought,passion and perspective changing views.
But what are you like at debating? I notice the angry must get my point across, the quiet subtle suggestive sorts, the provocative stirrers and the quiet pondering all perspectives are valid types in here.
Are you good at debating or do you get wound up in here and mash your keyboard?"
You forgot the pompous pontificators; so insecure, using grandiloquence to mask their self perceived inadequacies |
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
I don’t think you’re a knob every day, I change my mind constantly about that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
That is not unique to Fab. It is generally the case that people don't change their mind when challenged due to a combination of confirmation bias and ego.
Part of the issue with debate (in any setting) is that it is an adversarial exercise setting a false dichotomy of conflict which prevents meaningful discussion.
Debate can be a very powerful tool for perfecting knowledge as it is so often the case that most opinions are not wholly right or wholly wrong (although there are exceptions when factual detail is concerned), but rather by keeping an open mind we modify our opinions slightly to - as I said - make our knowledge more perfect (or at least less imperfect!).
In response to the forum question, I keep my debating style cool and calm as otherwise you are unlikely to make meaningful progress. The general rules I go by are:
1) Assume that your opponents are espousing their opinions in good faith (even Jacob Rees-Mogg).
2) Try not to resort to hyperbole or 'ad hominen' attacks.
3) And don't dismiss people's opinions - even when based on what may be quite limited experience. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
Thought you said on that other thread you were looking to push your point  |
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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago
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I like a good debate. I don't, however, like arguments or confrontation even if it is merely via th written word. So any debate I might enter into is tempered by that dislike and I tend to step away when either I or the other person seems to be getting tetchy. Unless I find it especially funny to wind them up; I'm not a saint.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m a mass debater ( sorry I’ll get my coat ) "
I'm too hot headed to debate rationally.
I think it's a gift to be able to put your point across calmly, in a reasoned well thought out way, but without patronising folk.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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" I like a good debate. It's why I stay on fab;for the forums.
Sure the odd kiss avoid gap filler is ok but after a while it's good to have a topic worthy of thought,passion and perspective changing views.
But what are you like at debating? I notice the angry must get my point across, the quiet subtle suggestive sorts, the provocative stirrers and the quiet pondering all perspectives are valid types in here.
Are you good at debating or do you get wound up in here and mash your keyboard?
You forgot the pompous pontificators; so insecure, using grandiloquence to mask their self perceived inadequacies "
I think I'm getting insecure and vain as I'm wondering if that's aimed at me  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I’m a mass debater ( sorry I’ll get my coat )
I'm too hot headed to debate rationally.
I think it's a gift to be able to put your point across calmly, in a reasoned well thought out way, but without patronising folk.
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Yeah I get that, but we get time to rewrite what we were about to say in here? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I like a good debate. I don't, however, like arguments or confrontation even if it is merely via th written word. So any debate I might enter into is tempered by that dislike and I tend to step away when either I or the other person seems to be getting tetchy. Unless I find it especially funny to wind them up; I'm not a saint. "
Tetchy debates....i really struggle not to try and have the last word. Must try harder.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't mind listening in to a good debate, but it's never normally a debate just everyone stating their own views.
I get a bit bored when people bring out 'the statistics ' to make themselves seem supremely knowledgeable. I'm not normally quick enough to add much, by the time my brain has come up with something and my fingers have typed it, the thread is seven pages deep and my thoughts are irrelevant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I like a good debate. It's why I stay on fab;for the forums.
Sure the odd kiss avoid gap filler is ok but after a while it's good to have a topic worthy of thought,passion and perspective changing views.
But what are you like at debating? I notice the angry must get my point across, the quiet subtle suggestive sorts, the provocative stirrers and the quiet pondering all perspectives are valid types in here.
Are you good at debating or do you get wound up in here and mash your keyboard?
You forgot the pompous pontificators; so insecure, using grandiloquence to mask their self perceived inadequacies
I think I'm getting insecure and vain as I'm wondering if that's aimed at me "
You've missed the irony. And other stuff... But hey fab isn't known for its subtlety! |
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Although I use here mainly to just post inane drivel, I don't mind getting involved in a debate if it's a subject that I feel strongly enough about.
I would never diss anyone for their views though, no matter how much their opinion is different from mine.
Sooner go to the pub, fall out, have a punch up in the car park, then go back inside and buy each other a pint  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I like a good debate. But as said above, nobody ever changes there mind, even when proven wrong "
Do debates have to be about winning and losing? About proving who is right and who is wrong?
I like ones where you just see a variety of viewpoints. I think it would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything and. if someone was proved right,wouldn't we have to agree?
Respectful and tolerant disagreement make for a much more enjoyable debate,in my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't mind listening in to a good debate, but it's never normally a debate just everyone stating their own views.
I get a bit bored when people bring out 'the statistics ' to make themselves seem supremely knowledgeable. I'm not normally quick enough to add much, by the time my brain has come up with something and my fingers have typed it, the thread is seven pages deep and my thoughts are irrelevant. "
Why would anyone's thoughts be irrelevant?
Those who are fastest to respond to anything do not necessarily have all the answers...judt faster fingers... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I like a good debate. But as said above, nobody ever changes there mind, even when proven wrong
Do debates have to be about winning and losing? About proving who is right and who is wrong?
I like ones where you just see a variety of viewpoints. I think it would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything and. if someone was proved right,wouldn't we have to agree?
Respectful and tolerant disagreement make for a much more enjoyable debate,in my opinion."
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"I am happy to listen to everyone's opinion and change mine if I need to. There is nothing wrong with changing your mind. I love a good debate. "
Yup, I like my opinions or beliefs challenged - it makes them stronger if they stand. I'm pretty logical and I strive to be objective and tactful in any debate, though sometimes that gets a bit challenging on here!  |
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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago
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I'm an essay writer
I start on point and then my mind wanders. I over think and then waffle to try to explain what I mean as clearly as I can but then I write too much which can just end up making it worse! Especially since it means I'm a slow responder. I'm also one who struggles with spelling and grammar and know this so I take longer to check what I'm typing, although I still mess up sometimes.
I don't think I've ever managed to change anyone's mind but I seem to write replies with the view that they might at least give someone else something interesting to think about.
I try not to let sarcasm get the better of me but sometimes I hit "Post Message" quicker than my brain goes "Maybe I should rewrite that first!"
I'm also one who writes long comments only to delete them afterwards and not post anything! |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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I was on a debating team at college so I've had to debate things I didn't believe in or feel passionate about but I still did what was needed at the time.
Some debates are really just not worth the hassle imo.
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed.
I hear what you say, and I'm not sure those folk woukd debate like that in person, but I do believe there's been some great discussions on less fractious topics like married and cheating etc. I've had my mind changed in here and realised I've been a sanctimonious tosser! (Due to being tired after work)."
Is this the bit where we debate over you being a sanctimonious tosser or Not?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I like to debate, I like to challenge my ideals and opinions and give mine too. I also like to challenge other peoples too.
I was on the school debate team when I was in school. I've always enjoyed it. I can put my point across calmly when I need to. Although I do like a good argument with no rules too
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
I've certainly changed some of my opinions as a result of conversations on here, but then i never see my opinions as fixed, i like the term 'working theory'. There are people i keep in touch with on kik and PM's and none of them are really aligned to my own views.
I think some people use an ideology to think for them and i use the block button as a reminder not to bother getting into a back and forth with them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I like a good debate. But as said above, nobody ever changes there mind, even when proven wrong
Do debates have to be about winning and losing? About proving who is right and who is wrong?
I like ones where you just see a variety of viewpoints. I think it would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything and. if someone was proved right,wouldn't we have to agree?
Respectful and tolerant disagreement make for a much more enjoyable debate,in my opinion."
Nope and I didn’t say it was. But a debate should be entered with an open mind, which a lot of people clearly don’t have |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I like a good debate. But as said above, nobody ever changes there mind, even when proven wrong
Do debates have to be about winning and losing? About proving who is right and who is wrong?
I like ones where you just see a variety of viewpoints. I think it would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything and. if someone was proved right,wouldn't we have to agree?
Respectful and tolerant disagreement make for a much more enjoyable debate,in my opinion."
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Impossible to convey emotion in a text..but for the record , im almost always smiling or laughing when i post.i enjoy debate and discussion and dont always agree with everything posted, but my replies are either humorous, sarcastic or tongue in cheek..
The forums are good fun although too much drama in the irish one lately.. |
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My course at uni was pretty much based around debating. I do like good debates, but not with those who aren't willing to listen to what you have to say and consider it. It'd be just like debating with a brick wall.
I've had my thoughts swayed plenty times, due to what others have put forward. |
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I used to debate politics but having actually lost friends over it I've stayed well out of political debates for a good few years now! My responses were always civilised and calm, but that didn't stop others resorting to personal insults and other nastiness rather than actually debate the issue. Some people really can't cope with others having a different view |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some people have excellent points to make but their delivery is awful, patronising & sanctimonious.
I find I'm a better debater if I have a sparring partner to feed off... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I like a good debate. It's why I stay on fab;for the forums.
Sure the odd kiss avoid gap filler is ok but after a while it's good to have a topic worthy of thought,passion and perspective changing views.
But what are you like at debating? I notice the angry must get my point across, the quiet subtle suggestive sorts, the provocative stirrers and the quiet pondering all perspectives are valid types in here.
Are you good at debating or do you get wound up in here and mash your keyboard?"
Verbally am ok can hold it down written no takes to much effort to type. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed. "
Good points |
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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago
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"What's the point in debating anything in here, everyone is so stuck with the attitude that they are right and everyone is wrong it's not worth the haste of pushing my point.
Not once have I ever seen anyone (especially women) have their minds changed.
Bugger me, I change my mind ALL the time "
I do also |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Im always calm and collected and consider my response before giving it. I take time to consider other peoples opinions and while I might not agree I can respect their right to have them.
I can get a bit frustrated if the point Im making is misunderstood or misconstrued though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Winston Churchill said:
"A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject"
When asked about the Fab Forums:
"We shall go on to the end of the thread.
We shall fight in the Lounge, we shall fight through the kiss fuck avoid threads, we shall fight with growing confidence and self belief in the chat rooms, we shall defend our opinion, whatever the cost may be to our reputation on Fab.
We shall fight with the bitches, we shall fight with the Fab Straight, we shall fight with the transgender and between the couples, we shall fight in the clubs; we shall never surrender.*
*Possibly historically inaccurate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I find that using “debate” has become kind of like the word banter.
In essence it’s just a politer way of saying, I’m going to be a cunt.
I’ve seen very few examples both on and off fab of people “debating” where it’s nothing more than a school playground slanging match. Where neither will move on their stance, so the whole ordeal is pretty much pointless. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love a good debate, but there is a fine line between debate and disagreement.If someone isnt willing to listen its pointless.
I also believe it should be done face to face, and not on the keyboard. I wanna see the whites of the eyes of anyone involved in a debate. |
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Debate - A formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote.
If you think theres even the remotest chance of that ever happening in the fab forums then grab an emoji of your choice and run of to a remote island and enjoy the conversation lol
That aside a face to face decent conversation / debate is always a good way to educate/ learn new ways to look at things |
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If I have not decided I usually take devils advocate approach and get people to simply debate me wrong.
Its a shame because this valid form of debating is often called trolling by people incapable of debating their point properly. |
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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago
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"As a rule, when it comes to debating, there are a few subjects that in the interests of peace, are probably best avoided I find. Religion and politics are the most incendiary.....oh and sport "
And tellies apparently  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I have not decided I usually take devils advocate approach and get people to simply debate me wrong.
Its a shame because this valid form of debating is often called trolling by people incapable of debating their point properly."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is this the 10 minute argument or the full half hour?
I don't debate anything unless the subject matter interests me. It's pretty pointless on the internet as it invariably degenerates into a slanging match with people hiding behind their keyboarrds. |
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