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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated |
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over a year ago
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"thingy osbourne
can't remember his name!ozzy
ah thanks had a complete mental block there  Soooooooooo which one ?
Ozzy
Ozzy is cool  "
I love him but his music makes my ears bleed! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"thingy osbourne
can't remember his name!ozzy
ah thanks had a complete mental block there Soooooooooo which one ?
Ozzy
Ozzy is cool
I love him but his music makes my ears bleed!"
As a musician he is terrible but the comedy factor is classic. He also does a fine kipper tie. |
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By *acktilMan
over a year ago
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated "
You mates are right as far as I'm concerned, but hey ho that's just my opinion.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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it has to be paul mccartney for me. i like some beatle songs and don't have a problem with them as a band, but paul mccartney and his holier than thou ways. he is so dull. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated "
When I saw the title of this thread ALL of the above sprang to mind! I'd also add Queen and Michael Jackson!  |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
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"Michael Buble
Sting / Police
The Beatles"
U2, not so much a band as an ego and a delay pedal - truly fucking ordinary....
The Beatles - the world's luckiest pub band with Liverpool's answer to Andrew Lloyd Webber on bass...
Michael Buble - ughhhhhh.....
Cheryl Cole - the world's luckiest Woolworth's shop girl....
Oh, and Michael Jackson - complete wank except when Quincy Jones and Rod Templeton saved him from himself....
The Sex Pistols - a Bad Company tribute band with Old Man Steptoe on lead vocals...
People should lay off Mick Hucknall now he's resigned from News international.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Never could stand the Rolling Stones or the Beatles but loved Elvis. I personally think that the most aggravating, over-rated, talentless, twatty, and up their own arses band was Oasis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated "
+1 here, as well as Elton John |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Michael Buble
Sting / Police
The Beatles
U2, not so much a band as an ego and a delay pedal - truly fucking ordinary....
The Beatles - the world's luckiest pub band with Liverpool's answer to Andrew Lloyd Webber on bass...
Michael Buble - ughhhhhh.....
Cheryl Cole - the world's luckiest Woolworth's shop girl....
Oh, and Michael Jackson - complete wank except when Quincy Jones and Rod Templeton saved him from himself....
The Sex Pistols - a Bad Company tribute band with Old Man Steptoe on lead vocals...
People should lay off Mick Hucknall now he's resigned from News international...."
ha ha ha ha!!! spot on! LOVE the concise and accurate description of U2, but gotta take exception to The Beatles. Love 'em, just cant stand that plasticene-faced twee McCartney fella with his child-like lyrics and the well of bland music he's been tapping into since Lennon was killed  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated
When I saw the title of this thread ALL of the above sprang to mind! I'd also add Queen and Michael Jackson! "
Agree , add Bon Jobby and Take Twat and we're getting there |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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siome interesting choices in here and some quite unbelievable suggestions like the beatles i mean how can they be classed as overated when they are the biggest selling group ever and still outsell most pop artists old and new to this day .same gos for elvis.you dont have to like them but many millions do .there are many groups that i dont like like oasis and take that but again there are millions that like them and they are very succesfull so who am i to say they are overated if ppl like them great we cant all like the same stuff it would be a dull world if we did |
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I think its all down to personal choice really but I dont rate Take That at all ,and Mick Hucknall,hmm saw him support UB40 in 1985 and didnt like him and havent since.I have to switch him off if his face appears on TV.I dont understand how the Beatles can be classed as overrated,as popular music wouldnt be here if it wasnt for them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nooo never Michael Jackson, ok he was a man with 'issues' but he was amazingly talented. I never liked Elvis but again he was an icon, along with the Rolling Stones and the Beatles.
I think Kurt Cobain was overratted. I quite liked Nirvana and Kurt was ok, but not a rock icon for me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Could never figure out the "thing" with wacko jacko....
crutch grabbing and saying owww isnt my idea of dance and his music was so over rated.
But thats me....  |
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"Could never figure out the "thing" with wacko jacko....
crutch grabbing and saying owww isnt my idea of dance and his music was so over rated.
But thats me.... "
Dam, Ive based my nightclub pulling technique on crutch grabbing and the girls saying Oww |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Could never figure out the "thing" with wacko jacko....
crutch grabbing and saying owww isnt my idea of dance and his music was so over rated.
But thats me.... "
...and me!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated "
overrated for you but if they are "legends" its because many many peeps disagree with you otherwise they would not be legends? |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"John Lennon
shocking quote 
the man is a genius!"
Agree with you!
Someone else on here called Paul McCartney "dull".
Amazing, how he and John Lennon are one of the most successful musical partnerships of all time.
The two of them were geniuses! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated
overrated for you but if they are "legends" its because many many peeps disagree with you otherwise they would not be legends?"
I do think that all the above have written, produced and performed SOME noteable songs.
But do those songs take them to 'music legend' status ?
Their success I believe has been driven more by good timing, a public desire for change, good PR and marketing and in two cases large amounts of sentimentality rather than their musical abilities.
So are they really legendary or do we just believe them to be on the back of a few good songs and what a well oiled media machine telling us that they are ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Trendsetters get elevated to legend status.
Elvis, certainly was a trendsetter.
Madonna, while may be not a great singer, she wrote and composed her own songs and was highly self promoted. It was all her own work.
The Beatles and the Rolling Stones lead the British music revolution.
I would add David Bowie to this too. Bowie started fashions and trends then moved on to the next with ghostly ease.
He was dressing and acting "Punk" style, "Glam" style and "New Romantic" style before the full wave of the trend hit us.
Whether you like these people or not is down to personal choice, but put to a universal vote, these guys are up there with the stars |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Trendsetters get elevated to legend status.
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but should they then be classed as cultural legends as opposed to musical legends then ?
i am not doubting any of your thoughts and actually do agree with you on most
did their music start the trend ? feed the trend ? or perhaps more cynically was it a bi product of the trend and some very skillful marketing ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated
overrated for you but if they are "legends" its because many many peeps disagree with you otherwise they would not be legends?
I do think that all the above have written, produced and performed SOME noteable songs.
But do those songs take them to 'music legend' status ?
Their success I believe has been driven more by good timing, a public desire for change, good PR and marketing and in two cases large amounts of sentimentality rather than their musical abilities.
So are they really legendary or do we just believe them to be on the back of a few good songs and what a well oiled media machine telling us that they are ?"
You are mostly right as people tend to be "followers". However, I do think that we also have our own "personal legends".
How is legendary status evaluated? Does anyone know? |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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I suppose too, that music sales could contribute, to the description "legend"
I mean, that back in the 60's, 70's and into the 80's, with vinyl being the main choice (maybe cassette tapes too), artistes had to sell millions of copies to achieve Silver, Gold or even Platinum status, in terms of sales.
That salesmanship and those figures fed into the growth and hype around each singer, band and so on.
Nowadays, Gold "sales" amount to 500,000 copies sold, due to competition from downloads and other electronic options.
Doesn't sound so good does it, in comparison to the "good old days!"
Or am I just getting old??  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Trendsetters get elevated to legend status.
but should they then be classed as cultural legends as opposed to musical legends then ?
i am not doubting any of your thoughts and actually do agree with you on most
did their music start the trend ? feed the trend ? or perhaps more cynically was it a bi product of the trend and some very skillful marketing ?"
In my _iew they are very much cultural legends. There names will be imprinted on the world for evermore. No question about it.
Spin Doctoring, Marketing, PR'ing, call it what you like, but these people have been there and have done.
The very fact we are talking about them is all you need to accept |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"How is legendary status evaluated? Does anyone know?"
I think the definition of legend in this context is as follows :
'A romanticised or popularised myth of modern times'
To me, suggesting that it is a 'romantic' idea combined by with the marketing / media machine that elevates someone to legend status - not the quality of their music
So again they may be perceived as cultural legends but not musical ones ? |
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"Michael Buble
Sting / Police
The Beatles
U2, not so much a band as an ego and a delay pedal - truly fucking ordinary....
The Beatles - the world's luckiest pub band with Liverpool's answer to Andrew Lloyd Webber on bass...
Michael Buble - ughhhhhh.....
Cheryl Cole - the world's luckiest Woolworth's shop girl....
Oh, and Michael Jackson - complete wank except when Quincy Jones and Rod Templeton saved him from himself....
The Sex Pistols - a Bad Company tribute band with Old Man Steptoe on lead vocals...
People should lay off Mick Hucknall now he's resigned from News international....
ha ha ha ha!!! spot on! LOVE the concise and accurate description of U2, but gotta take exception to The Beatles. Love 'em, just cant stand that plasticene-faced twee McCartney fella with his child-like lyrics and the well of bland music he's been tapping into since Lennon was killed "
With you on that,the rest is 100% but the Beatles are legend by any definition of the word.
i would add Phil fucking collins to the list. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The very fact we are talking about them is all you need to accept "
Oh, I do accept it - it is one of them discussions that has no real definitive answer and I realised that from the outset.
It's just been one of them discussions I have had numerous times with friends and thought it'd be an interesting topic to put to the wider forum |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How is legendary status evaluated? Does anyone know?
I think the definition of legend in this context is as follows :
'A romanticised or popularised myth of modern times'
To me, suggesting that it is a 'romantic' idea combined by with the marketing / media machine that elevates someone to legend status - not the quality of their music
So again they may be perceived as cultural legends but not musical ones ?"
but they are surely a subset of cultural, as is legends of the music culture? Culture covers so much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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And the arctic fucking monkeys!!!!!!! Sorry I just don't get it they're below average ok I've started now queen, fleet mac, all Motown, Michael Jackson, oasis, Duran fucking Duran (embarrassment to the midlands!) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Pink Floyd.......I don't get them
I sometimes think that we force ourselves to understand or like some music as at the time its cool to do that and if you ain't in the gang then you're nothing but square man! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A house band of session musicians, a house team of songwriters, a stable of artists told what to sing and how to sing it and the sound of a generation's youth.
Am I talking about Motown or Stock, Aitken and Waterman? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage. some 1 dose not like rock music"
"Metal" isn't music. It's just a fucking loud noise
Might as well listen to a dustbin falling down stairs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage. some 1 dose not like rock music
"Metal" isn't music. It's just a fucking loud noise
Might as well listen to a dustbin falling down stairs "
hehehehe |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage. some 1 dose not like rock music
"Metal" isn't music. It's just a fucking loud noise
Might as well listen to a dustbin falling down stairs "
thats were yer wrong, there is more metal bands out there than there is n pop music, hence of the festivals |
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it is all subjective, you cannot define music, what sounds fantastic to one person another will hate.
Hence you cannot also desine a musical legend, its all down to personal taste, one persons legend, is someone elses hate.
As responses to this thread prove
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"it is all subjective, you cannot define music, what sounds fantastic to one person another will hate.
Hence you cannot also desine a musical legend, its all down to personal taste, one persons legend, is someone elses hate.
As responses to this thread prove
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yup - hence why to me, it is the media and the PR machine who essentially define 'the legends' and individuals either buy into it or they don't
i don't hate any of the acts i mentioned initially, i just don't believe on their music alone they deserve 'legend' status.
as part of a wider cultural movement, maybe ?! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"it is all subjective, you cannot define music, what sounds fantastic to one person another will hate.
Hence you cannot also desine a musical legend, its all down to personal taste, one persons legend, is someone elses hate.
As responses to this thread prove
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totally agree with you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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ooooh a lot of eclectic tastes in here....
And in my mind there lies the problem in defining what is legend and what is dross....
Each individual has individual likes and dislikes...........
Majority of "legends" or is that "Leg Ends" are down to mass media production......
Personally, if you can write a song, play an instrument and not afraid to go out on a stage in front of a single figure audience then your a legend for having the balls to do it.....
So many so called legends have NEVER sang live to an audience......It is so easy to walk into a studio and have engineers make you sound perfect even when you cannot put 2 notes together in the same key.....
Even easier to walk out on to a stage with a head set on, mime, and follow instructions from a sound engineer through your ear piece....whilst he plays a CD.
So many of the bands mentioned above have done it the hard way....by going out on the road and working for 10-20 years or so gigging small venues until they build up a support big enough to play larger venues....
Metal......PMSL very many metal musicians are in fact classically trained and can play anything put in front of them....what they choose to play is their own rendition of life....
My own opinion on some of the bands mentioned above...
U2...Started out in life as a good band, grew to stadium size proportions and then sold out....their sound recently hasn't changed..The Edge still plays the same guitar riffs on more or less every tune.....
The Beatles.....Lennon & McCartney are legends...however, do not mistake their early material for anything they wrote after 1967....Sgt Pepper, White Album and Revolver g odown in history as the best albums written.
Madonna....highest selling FEMALE artist, never rated her. Poor vocals and same weak lyrics....
Rolling Stones.....Are still touring that is legendary
Michael Jackson....The ultimate stage perfomer...Thriller is still the biggest selling album EVER
Queen....Hold records for playing to the biggest audiences at a single concert and I don't mean multi-band festivals etc...quite easily filled stadiums weeks in advance....
Oasis.....Jumped up little twats who spent more time fighting than performing. Shame because they produced some good music.
Someone mentioned MeatLoaf....Big Marvin had a tremendous voice through the 70's/80/s and 90/s. He no longer has the puff to carry it through now.
Guys like Michael Buble, Harry Connick Jr etc make money performing Frank Sinatra songs....come on where is the talent in that...
My 10 bob's worth |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Dont know why Janis Joplin is in the hall of fame, with Elvis and Malcolm McClaren none of them did it for me - also not keen on u2 but recognise why they are popular. I didnt like John Lennon solo and always felt he had a really mean streak in him. I didnt appreciate Dylan yet he has written some of my most favourite songs for other artists.
I still hold the opinion that if you can sell a record that appeals to someone then kudos to you. Most would give their right arm for a one hit wonder! |
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By *mf4BxJCouple
over a year ago
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U2... bore the tits off of me and have done nothing to warrent 'legendary' status.
Bands like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones were at the forefront and deserve their status whether you like their music or not (if not - you must be tone deaf lol).
Good tip - die young and you'll be a legend!
Jim Morrison, John Lennon, Bob Marley, Kurt Cobain, Jimi Hendrix...
There's not one of them I would deny of their status though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not just since Slash left,,,, Guns'n Roses only have Axl left...
The rest formed Velvet Revolver.
Thin Lizzy were a very inspirational band to majority of todays twin guitar rock bands see Metallica for instance.....
However,,,,,,,the current lineup only features Scott Gorham from the 70's lineup.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Bands like The Beatles ... were at the forefront and deserve their status
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The 'problem' I have with The Beatles is that in spite of (to me) excellent songs like 'In My Life' , there was so much bilge pumped out too that (again, to me) kinda counteracted some of their better works. |
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He's not so much overrated as that I just don't get him... Bob Dylan 
I agree some of his lyrics are brilliant but I just can't listen to him. Sorry!
Also the Sex Pistols, I love 'Bollocks' but it seems UK Punk is going to be remembered for this manufactured band when the real musicians and pioneers were The Clash, Buzzcocks, Television etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage. "
Iron Maiden overrated? By Whom?? A band thats been ignored by the media for 30 years yet still sell out tours WORLDWIDE on an average of a tour every 2 years?
Grrrr! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage.
Iron Maiden overrated? By Whom?? A band thats been ignored by the media for 30 years yet still sell out tours WORLDWIDE on an average of a tour every 2 years?
Grrrr! "
cant wait 2 see em tomorrow night at glasgow secc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage.
Iron Maiden overrated? By Whom?? A band thats been ignored by the media for 30 years yet still sell out tours WORLDWIDE on an average of a tour every 2 years?
Grrrr! cant wait 2 see em tomorrow night at glasgow secc"
Manchester next Thursday for moi - enjoy!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage.
Iron Maiden overrated? By Whom?? A band thats been ignored by the media for 30 years yet still sell out tours WORLDWIDE on an average of a tour every 2 years?
Grrrr! cant wait 2 see em tomorrow night at glasgow secc
Manchester next Thursday for moi - enjoy!! "
I attend to,an buying there tour tee shirt an wear on cam on thursday |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Beatles, U2 (bono is a cock, official from his roadies!!) The Stones!!think thata a bit out of order"
no its not, how can the truth be out of order if he wants to stop world debt sell all his assets and give them away!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pink Floyd.......I don't get them
I sometimes think that we force ourselves to understand or like some music as at the time its cool to do that and if you ain't in the gang then you're nothing but square man!"
ha! spot on! pseudo-intellectual twaddle, like radiohead....
and dont get me started on genesis and phil collins - pretentious AND bland, quite an achievement, although Brian Eno managed to hide his light under a bushell until he ditched the makeweights and went solo.
And as for my earlier McCartney grumble..... his good work came when it was tempered or enhanced by working with Lennon. As soon as they went their separate ways, it all went wrong. I present Wings as first exhibit for the prosecution m'lud...... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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as an aside i am feelin all mellow (and old) today so have got smooth fm on in the office
they have just played sam cooke's 'a change is gonna come'
that song just sends me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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would be interesting to see this thread in say 10 yrs time and see how many groups,solo artists from todays singers will be regarded as legends.my thoughts would be none |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"would be interesting to see this thread in say 10 yrs time and see how many groups,solo artists from todays singers will be regarded as legends.my thoughts would be none "
I think GaGa would probably pop up
Can't be doin with her meself but I can see she will go that way. (these crystal balls are amazing haha) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"would be interesting to see this thread in say 10 yrs time and see how many groups,solo artists from todays singers will be regarded as legends.my thoughts would be none
I think GaGa would probably pop up
Can't be doin with her meself but I can see she will go that way. (these crystal balls are amazing haha)"
i dont get her either just reminds me of a jordon of the pop world .oh look at me world i'm completely whacky i will do anything to get attention even though i have no talent whatsoever.she will fade away in time and will quickly be forgoton |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"as an aside i am feelin all mellow (and old) today so have got smooth fm on in the office
they have just played sam cooke's 'a change is gonna come'
that song just sends me "
I just listened to Seal's version of that! I think a great song can sound great no matter who sings it... Unlike loads of modern day covers! |
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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago
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"Could never figure out the "thing" with wacko jacko....
crutch grabbing and saying owww isnt my idea of dance and his music was so over rated.
But thats me.... "
+1
And remember..... all his music in the last two decades of his life sounded exactly the bloody same.
Can we also add Phil "I dumped my wife by fax" Collins to the list.
Talentless arse ! |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"Cliff Richard only makes 1 single at xmas
Neil diamond, Micheal Jackson, George Micheal, Oasis"
not disagreeing... we are all different, but having seen George Michael live... he was stunning. Am not a huge fan, but one of the best I have seen. His voice was fantastic |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"well done guys.
that's us wiped out,over 60 years of music on one thread.
there's only val doonican,and des o connor,left.
i'm not going to the disco,with you lot. "
meet ya at Bennetts.. used to be a good night on a Tuesday.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Susan Boyle and Jedward are both hugely overrated...aren't they? "
saw jedward on bbc1 this morn very wierd and hugely annoying but in an enviroment where being talentless like jordon,kerry kationa etc brings huge reward they will do well |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"well done guys.
that's us wiped out,over 60 years of music on one thread.
there's only val doonican,and des o connor,left.
i'm not going to the disco,with you lot.
meet ya at Bennetts.. used to be a good night on a Tuesday.. "
can we still wear,bell bottoms,and platforms. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Angus & Findhorn |
"well done guys.
that's us wiped out,over 60 years of music on one thread.
there's only val doonican,and des o connor,left.
i'm not going to the disco,with you lot.
meet ya at Bennetts.. used to be a good night on a Tuesday..
can we still wear,bell bottoms,and platforms. "
yes but make no reference to bottoms there... yu is warned |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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SELFCONFESSED:non music lover...
theres only very few I'd term as great rated bands/musicians, I cant stand music snobs,forum posts about music...doubt u will see me on them lol
but the beatles arent overrated, and ffs ABBA are legends moreso in my opinion.
modern day ppl like amy winehouse, buffy etc ...all pretty fuckin pish and will be forgotten in 10years at most |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
"well done guys.
that's us wiped out,over 60 years of music on one thread.
there's only val doonican,and des o connor,left.
i'm not going to the disco,with you lot.
meet ya at Bennetts.. used to be a good night on a Tuesday..
can we still wear,bell bottoms,and platforms.
yes but make no reference to bottoms there... yu is warned"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Susan Boyle and Jedward are both hugely overrated...aren't they? "
Susan boyle...well its not about her choice of songs etc etc...its actually her voice...swear to it, i had some tears the first time i heard what all the fuss was about, Im a non music lover, but u cant beat an emotive vocal
delete jedward from...er.....existence lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it's hillarious. The title of the thread is over rated LEGENDS and some people have said Take That and the Spice Girls!!!
Legends??? 
*Her*"
Her? legends |
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"I think it's hillarious. The title of the thread is over rated LEGENDS and some people have said Take That and the Spice Girls!!!
Legends???
*Her*"
lol unfortunately, u cant decide who is a legend can u??? Take That, well they pretty much are legends of boyband world no????? |
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"Ken Dodd has a beautiful singing voice though.
I so agree with that... I do like listening to the odd song.
"Odd" being the operative word!
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Well he does bring tears to my eyes.
Bloody hell diamonds quick tonight |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
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"U2, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springteen,
3 out of 4 ain't bad - Springsteen deserves his legend status though..."
OK, some more...
The Rolling Stones - regularly shit since 1972...
Led Zeppelin - blues for people with nothing to be miserable about and folk for people who never leave their hotel rooms...
Oh, and the all time truly nauseating undeserved legend. If I ever catch up with the stupid bastard who shot John Lenno I'll cut his bollocks off for saving Lennon from exposing himself as the self centred, narcissistic heap of wank he was. Singing Imagine in public should be a capital offence in any civilized country, and any man who could live with Yoko Ono without pointing out that she the artistic depth of a yak fart deserves to spend the rest of his life at the Ayatollah Khomeini Memorial Reformatory for terminal wankers....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"U2, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springteen,
3 out of 4 ain't bad - Springsteen deserves his legend status though...
OK, some more...
The Rolling Stones - regularly shit since 1972...
Led Zeppelin - blues for people with nothing to be miserable about and folk for people who never leave their hotel rooms...
Oh, and the all time truly nauseating undeserved legend. If I ever catch up with the stupid bastard who shot John Lenno I'll cut his bollocks off for saving Lennon from exposing himself as the self centred, narcissistic heap of wank he was. Singing Imagine in public should be a capital offence in any civilized country, and any man who could live with Yoko Ono without pointing out that she the artistic depth of a yak fart deserves to spend the rest of his life at the Ayatollah Khomeini Memorial Reformatory for terminal wankers......."
So.... you don't like him then? |
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"U2, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springteen,
3 out of 4 ain't bad - Springsteen deserves his legend status though...
OK, some more...
The Rolling Stones - regularly shit since 1972...
Led Zeppelin - blues for people with nothing to be miserable about and folk for people who never leave their hotel rooms...
Oh, and the all time truly nauseating undeserved legend. If I ever catch up with the stupid bastard who shot John Lenno I'll cut his bollocks off for saving Lennon from exposing himself as the self centred, narcissistic heap of wank he was. Singing Imagine in public should be a capital offence in any civilized country, and any man who could live with Yoko Ono without pointing out that she the artistic depth of a yak fart deserves to spend the rest of his life at the Ayatollah Khomeini Memorial Reformatory for terminal wankers.......
So.... you don't like him then? "
But he did put it so eloquently lol |
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"U2, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springteen,
3 out of 4 ain't bad - Springsteen deserves his legend status though...
OK, some more...
The Rolling Stones - regularly shit since 1972...
Led Zeppelin - blues for people with nothing to be miserable about and folk for people who never leave their hotel rooms...
Oh, and the all time truly nauseating undeserved legend. If I ever catch up with the stupid bastard who shot John Lenno I'll cut his bollocks off for saving Lennon from exposing himself as the self centred, narcissistic heap of wank he was. Singing Imagine in public should be a capital offence in any civilized country, and any man who could live with Yoko Ono without pointing out that she the artistic depth of a yak fart deserves to spend the rest of his life at the Ayatollah Khomeini Memorial Reformatory for terminal wankers......."
can i ask who you listen to as you appear to be deaf .its one thing not liking some singers but to call them crap when they have achieved so much in the music world is ridiculas |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"U2, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springteen,
3 out of 4 ain't bad - Springsteen deserves his legend status though...
OK, some more...
The Rolling Stones - regularly shit since 1972...
Led Zeppelin - blues for people with nothing to be miserable about and folk for people who never leave their hotel rooms...
Oh, and the all time truly nauseating undeserved legend. If I ever catch up with the stupid bastard who shot John Lenno I'll cut his bollocks off for saving Lennon from exposing himself as the self centred, narcissistic heap of wank he was. Singing Imagine in public should be a capital offence in any civilized country, and any man who could live with Yoko Ono without pointing out that she the artistic depth of a yak fart deserves to spend the rest of his life at the Ayatollah Khomeini Memorial Reformatory for terminal wankers.......
can i ask who you listen to as you appear to be deaf .its one thing not liking some singers but to call them crap when they have achieved so much in the music world is ridiculas"
PJ and Duncan perhaps, lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's hillarious. The title of the thread is over rated LEGENDS and some people have said Take That and the Spice Girls!!!
Legends???
*Her*"
I think many have got hold of wrong end of stick as Lady (been around five monutes) Ga Ga has been mentioned too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"U2, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springteen,
3 out of 4 ain't bad - Springsteen deserves his legend status though...
OK, some more...
The Rolling Stones - regularly shit since 1972...
Led Zeppelin - blues for people with nothing to be miserable about and folk for people who never leave their hotel rooms...
Oh, and the all time truly nauseating undeserved legend. If I ever catch up with the stupid bastard who shot John Lenno I'll cut his bollocks off for saving Lennon from exposing himself as the self centred, narcissistic heap of wank he was. Singing Imagine in public should be a capital offence in any civilized country, and any man who could live with Yoko Ono without pointing out that she the artistic depth of a yak fart deserves to spend the rest of his life at the Ayatollah Khomeini Memorial Reformatory for terminal wankers......."
Dad? |
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By *lassOf69Man
over a year ago
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"Susan Boyle and Jedward are both hugely overrated...aren't they?
Susan boyle...well its not about her choice of songs etc etc...its actually her voice...swear to it, i had some tears the first time i heard what all the fuss was about, Im a non music lover, but u cant beat an emotive vocal
delete jedward from...er.....existence lol"
You're right...I heard Susan Boyle singing 'Wild Horses' and it was amazing.
Problem is, nothing has really been original since the late 70's (with the odd exception). By then, all forms of music had been recorded and since then everything has been 're-invented'. Most 'classic' songs were 'ripped-off' from stuff that'd gone before. 'Stairway To Heaven' was ripped off from a lounge Muzak tune...to name just one. Bob Dylan wrote poetic lyrics but was a folk singer inspired by music from the 50's. The electronica of the 80's had been done by Kraftwerk in the 70's...as well as the 'prog-rock' bands.
Nothing is truly new anymore...but you can re-hash and serve up something that will be seen as 'new' by a young audience. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Iron Maiden. The only good thing was the big muppet thing on stage. "
Lol, is this comment for real. And the muppet is Eddie. But hey, everyone entitled to there opinion. And we can't wait for the Manchester gig. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"Susan Boyle and Jedward are both hugely overrated...aren't they?
Susan boyle...well its not about her choice of songs etc etc...its actually her voice...swear to it, i had some tears the first time i heard what all the fuss was about, Im a non music lover, but u cant beat an emotive vocal
delete jedward from...er.....existence lol
You're right...I heard Susan Boyle singing 'Wild Horses' and it was amazing.
Problem is, nothing has really been original since the late 70's (with the odd exception). By then, all forms of music had been recorded and since then everything has been 're-invented'. Most 'classic' songs were 'ripped-off' from stuff that'd gone before. 'Stairway To Heaven' was ripped off from a lounge Muzak tune...to name just one. Bob Dylan wrote poetic lyrics but was a folk singer inspired by music from the 50's. The electronica of the 80's had been done by Kraftwerk in the 70's...as well as the 'prog-rock' bands.
Nothing is truly new anymore...but you can re-hash and serve up something that will be seen as 'new' by a young audience."
Susan Boyle makes me cry as well, in pain, she totally murdered "wild horses" and needs to be put into a darkened room and never let out, total trash |
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"This is where I usually get told I know nothing about music by my mates but :
Elvis, Madonna, The Beatles and U2 are all up there for me as being over rated "
At last, something we agree on!
Especially if we can add Cold Play - yuk! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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it os veryeasy to tell if you have the right to call a band or musician over rated. simple test what radio station do you lisen to ie
radio one no right walk away find a nuse you are a oxgen theif
radio two you have more than 10 cds and not the one's on the front of the daily mail still hang your head low
radio three you know wrong from right you lissen to others and chip in now and agian in music chatter at the bar.
six music you were there in the day you tried to grow your hair long and nick older sibblings records to inpress other and got into them with your music bag under your arm.
comercial station hope your driving your forget the brake plough into thatg tree no gr8 loss.
the beatle just a band a good one but just a band. u2 just a band a good one but just a band. go to a gig a small sweaty gig stand in the middle at the back grab a beer lissen to music |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"it os veryeasy to tell if you have the right to call a band or musician over rated. simple test what radio station do you lisen to ie
radio one no right walk away find a nuse you are a oxgen theif
radio two you have more than 10 cds and not the one's on the front of the daily mail still hang your head low
radio three you know wrong from right you lissen to others and chip in now and agian in music chatter at the bar.
six music you were there in the day you tried to grow your hair long and nick older sibblings records to inpress other and got into them with your music bag under your arm.
comercial station hope your driving your forget the brake plough into thatg tree no gr8 loss.
the beatle just a band a good one but just a band. u2 just a band a good one but just a band. go to a gig a small sweaty gig stand in the middle at the back grab a beer lissen to music "
can we have that in the queens english |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
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"Susan Boyle and Jedward are both hugely overrated...aren't they?
Susan boyle...well its not about her choice of songs etc etc...its actually her voice...swear to it, i had some tears the first time i heard what all the fuss was about, Im a non music lover, but u cant beat an emotive vocal
delete jedward from...er.....existence lol
You're right...I heard Susan Boyle singing 'Wild Horses' and it was amazing.
Problem is, nothing has really been original since the late 70's (with the odd exception). By then, all forms of music had been recorded and since then everything has been 're-invented'. Most 'classic' songs were 'ripped-off' from stuff that'd gone before. 'Stairway To Heaven' was ripped off from a lounge Muzak tune...to name just one. Bob Dylan wrote poetic lyrics but was a folk singer inspired by music from the 50's. The electronica of the 80's had been done by Kraftwerk in the 70's...as well as the 'prog-rock' bands.
Nothing is truly new anymore...but you can re-hash and serve up something that will be seen as 'new' by a young audience."
I'm not sure Taurus, by Spirit (who I listen to regulalry) would qualify as lounge music... |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
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"U2, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springteen,
3 out of 4 ain't bad - Springsteen deserves his legend status though...
OK, some more...
The Rolling Stones - regularly shit since 1972...
Led Zeppelin - blues for people with nothing to be miserable about and folk for people who never leave their hotel rooms...
Oh, and the all time truly nauseating undeserved legend. If I ever catch up with the stupid bastard who shot John Lenno I'll cut his bollocks off for saving Lennon from exposing himself as the self centred, narcissistic heap of wank he was. Singing Imagine in public should be a capital offence in any civilized country, and any man who could live with Yoko Ono without pointing out that she the artistic depth of a yak fart deserves to spend the rest of his life at the Ayatollah Khomeini Memorial Reformatory for terminal wankers.......
can i ask who you listen to as you appear to be deaf .its one thing not liking some singers but to call them crap when they have achieved so much in the music world is ridiculas"
Not crap but over rated and over the hill, although it would be fair to say I think Lennon was truly, spectacularly ordinary as well as being a narcissistic twat.
Today, while driving to a work appointment, I'll listen to a mix of blues (you know, played by black people), some good seventies rock, and, inspired by the people who hate Phil Collins, the only decent band he ever played in, Brand X.
On a general point, the unoriginality argument is always fun, and in honour of it I'll listen to Strange Things by Sister Rosetta Tharp, which I think means I win the originality game (clue - it was the first rock and roll record...) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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who ever said Susan Boyle is over rated
obviously did not read the original post:
its about legends in music done the business for 10 years or more
not just recently, people like
Tina turner just cant stand her
and bands like
Creed;
red hot chilli peppers
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"I sometimes think that we force ourselves to understand or like some music as at the time its cool to do that and if you ain't in the gang then you're nothing but square man!"
So true and it's usually around puberty. Suddenly pop music is for kids and the cool kids are going to school carrying albums by rock acts. It happened to me.
Eventually I got over the silliness and reassessed what I liked about music an why. I was also a musician so got to know the tricks of the trade and the processes that are a mystery to the public but common to most bands.
Look at the indignance when there was that autotune palaver on X Factor. Yet nobody has a problem with John Lennon double-tracking his voice to "autotune" it, or Diana Ross on all those Motown hits, or George Michael, or anybody else who cheated in the recording studio, then sprinkled studio fairy dust all over their product before it was ready for manufacture and marketing. |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
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"I sometimes think that we force ourselves to understand or like some music as at the time its cool to do that and if you ain't in the gang then you're nothing but square man!
So true and it's usually around puberty. Suddenly pop music is for kids and the cool kids are going to school carrying albums by rock acts. It happened to me.
Eventually I got over the silliness and reassessed what I liked about music an why. I was also a musician so got to know the tricks of the trade and the processes that are a mystery to the public but common to most bands.
Look at the indignance when there was that autotune palaver on X Factor. Yet nobody has a problem with John Lennon double-tracking his voice to "autotune" it, or Diana Ross on all those Motown hits, or George Michael, or anybody else who cheated in the recording studio, then sprinkled studio fairy dust all over their product before it was ready for manufacture and marketing."
Double tracking is not the same as autotune.
Double tracking was invented by Les Paul - listen to his recordings with Mary Ford and you'll hear he is perfectly in tune on every line. Indeed, his requirements for a solid body guitar sprang in part from the need for it to be reliably in tune all the time (when double tracking) and to have low noise levels (via humbucking pickups from 1957) so that noise levels weren't too high. Double tracking enables all sorts of clever stunts - Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells is a seminal example, and no-one ever accused Oldfield of being tone deaf.
Autotune fixes it when players can't play or sing in tune. So some tuneless X Factor muppet (yes, Cher, and Cheryl, Matt, and all the rest of you, I'm looking at you) sings like a complete shambles, and gets it fixed by someone with a keyboard and a frequency analyzer.... |
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"I sometimes think that we force ourselves to understand or like some music as at the time its cool to do that and if you ain't in the gang then you're nothing but square man!
So true and it's usually around puberty. Suddenly pop music is for kids and the cool kids are going to school carrying albums by rock acts. It happened to me.
Eventually I got over the silliness and reassessed what I liked about music an why. I was also a musician so got to know the tricks of the trade and the processes that are a mystery to the public but common to most bands.
Look at the indignance when there was that autotune palaver on X Factor. Yet nobody has a problem with John Lennon double-tracking his voice to "autotune" it, or Diana Ross on all those Motown hits, or George Michael, or anybody else who cheated in the recording studio, then sprinkled studio fairy dust all over their product before it was ready for manufacture and marketing.
Double tracking is not the same as autotune.
Double tracking was invented by Les Paul - listen to his recordings with Mary Ford and you'll hear he is perfectly in tune on every line. Indeed, his requirements for a solid body guitar sprang in part from the need for it to be reliably in tune all the time (when double tracking) and to have low noise levels (via humbucking pickups from 1957) so that noise levels weren't too high. Double tracking enables all sorts of clever stunts - Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells is a seminal example, and no-one ever accused Oldfield of being tone deaf.
Autotune fixes it when players can't play or sing in tune. So some tuneless X Factor muppet (yes, Cher, and Cheryl, Matt, and all the rest of you, I'm looking at you) sings like a complete shambles, and gets it fixed by someone with a keyboard and a frequency analyzer...."
Bowie often doubles tracks his voice in different keys. Was also one of the first to use a gate on a snare drum. When Robert Fripp played guitar on 'Heroes' he was asked to just go in the booth and play something without any info,it was recorded and the tape cut up and reassembled. Boys keep swinging was recorded with the band members playing the wrong instruments. To be fair tho a lot of the credit has to go to Tony Visconti, Brian Eno and Carlos Alomar |
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