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"Will you also watch it? It is on ch4 now, it is about the fire that was raging in the boiler room before it left the port.
Boiler rooms are supposed to have raging fires  "
Yes, the coal supply caught fire before the ship sailed. They've turned old photos into 3D ones in colour and with movement which is pretty cool. |
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"Will you also watch it? It is on ch4 now, it is about the fire that was raging in the boiler room before it left the port.
Boiler rooms are supposed to have raging fires "
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I couldn't watch it even if I had a TV, pictures of the ship make me feel queasy for some reason 
Although I love being on boats I cannot bear to see the underside of one and the Titanic film was a horror film for me.
I have no explanation for any of this  |
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"And Titanic never sank It was a different ship and had its name changed as it was not yet ready
Which ship sank then?"
Olympic but if you look at photos, the two are slightly different. It's an old hashed and worn out konspiratzia |
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"And Titanic never sank It was a different ship and had its name changed as it was not yet ready
Which ship sank then?
Olympic but if you look at photos, the two are slightly different. It's an old hashed and worn out konspiratzia"
Did the cia rig it with thermite? |
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"And Titanic never sank It was a different ship and had its name changed as it was not yet ready
Which ship sank then?
Olympic but if you look at photos, the two are slightly different. It's an old hashed and worn out konspiratzia
Did the cia rig it with thermite? "
Nope that's the Lusitania  |
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"cheers Shag forgot about that one
ch4 plus 1 
Me too as missed the beginning
It sinks "
Actually it was hijacked by the cia and re-routed to the Caribbean and hidden in order to justify starting global warming. |
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"I only caught the last 30 mins. Very interesting, I wonder if the company can still be sued under the historic offence thingyma'gig?"
They thought of that already and merged with Cunard which in French sounds a bit like Canard which means duck which means they ducked their responsibility. |
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"Either way, lots of people lost their lives because someone made a bad decision, that we do know!"
I think it was a combination of lots of decisions and lots of mistakes. It's a bit like the killings in the final destination films where lots of little insignificant things conspire together to make one enormous cock up. |
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By *inzi LTV/TS
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"Either way, lots of people lost their lives because someone made a bad decision, that we do know!"
Oh, I don't know. I bet the judge lived a good life after! |
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Perhaps the fire sank it. An ice berg was just a cover story. I have seen the pictures, if you drive a car into an object i.e. a wall a tree, you should see a point of impact, Now check where the coal bunkers are located on the ship |
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"Perhaps the fire sank it. An ice berg was just a cover story. I have seen the pictures, if you drive a car into an object i.e. a wall a tree, you should see a point of impact, Now check where the coal bunkers are located on the ship "
Same place as where it hit the ice berg.....but what's you point? Lots of passengers saw the ice berg but didn't know about the fire. |
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"Iron can be incredibly brittle when cold, very plausible backed by fact and physics.
A well made and researched program for once "
Was it? I saw the write-up in the paper, along with the quotes from the real experts.
"properties of steel can change dramatically and the temperatures may have reached 500-1000 degrees." the ship was in water, I'm pretty confident the hull, especially below the waterline, didn't even get above 100 degrees...
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Sorry that fact was from a different report- the rest of the hull was chilled in the Atlantic and reduces malleability so the damage from the iceberg was worse than expected due to high carbon content.
That added to the heat damaged bulkhead meant it was very bad luck- all holes lining up. Literally |
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"Iron can be incredibly brittle when cold, very plausible backed by fact and physics.
A well made and researched program for once
Was it? I saw the write-up in the paper, along with the quotes from the real experts.
"properties of steel can change dramatically and the temperatures may have reached 500-1000 degrees." the ship was in water, I'm pretty confident the hull, especially below the waterline, didn't even get above 100 degrees...
Mr ddc"
Agreed but the bulk heads were described as red hot ie circa 1000 oC which explained why it sank so quickly and the account given by a fireman |
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"Sorry that fact was from a different report- the rest of the hull was chilled in the Atlantic and reduces malleability so the damage from the iceberg was worse than expected due to high carbon content.
That added to the heat damaged bulkhead meant it was very bad luck- all holes lining up. Literally "
What sort of % Carbon steel do you bleieve was involved |
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"Sorry that fact was from a different report- the rest of the hull was chilled in the Atlantic and reduces malleability so the damage from the iceberg was worse than expected due to high carbon content.
That added to the heat damaged bulkhead meant it was very bad luck- all holes lining up. Literally
What sort of % Carbon steel do you bleieve was involved "
I can't remember the other program but the grade they used was called best, but a reduced carbon content rivet called bestbest was available but more expensive. I think it was as high as 8%,
Perfectly acceptable for the job but if the high grade was used it might not have unzipped the hull plates as happened |
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"Sorry that fact was from a different report- the rest of the hull was chilled in the Atlantic and reduces malleability so the damage from the iceberg was worse than expected due to high carbon content.
That added to the heat damaged bulkhead meant it was very bad luck- all holes lining up. Literally
What sort of % Carbon steel do you bleieve was involved
I can't remember the other program but the grade they used was called best, but a reduced carbon content rivet called bestbest was available but more expensive. I think it was as high as 8%,
Perfectly acceptable for the job but if the high grade was used it might not have unzipped the hull plates as happened "
Dont want to turn this into a Metallurgy lesson but decent medium carbon steel has about 0.5% Carbon high grade Carbon Steel is about 2.5% Carbon anything more than 2.5% Carbon falls into the realms of Powder Metallurgy as i recall from my college day and is certainly not suitable for ship building. |
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Might have been 0.8% I can't remember but the carbon wasn't totally mixed it formed inclusions. The cross sections were from actual recovered rivets and was another small factor. |
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"I'm surprised they didn't have a spotlight on the bow to illuminate any ice in advance"
Wasn't that due to an Admiralty requirement designed to preserve the nightvision of lookouts & helmsmen?
There has been much discussion about how the brighter car headlights of oncoming cars actually make pedestrians more vulnerable. |
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"I'm surprised they didn't have a spotlight on the bow to illuminate any ice in advance
Wasn't that due to an Admiralty requirement designed to preserve the nightvision of lookouts & helmsmen?
There has been much discussion about how the brighter car headlights of oncoming cars actually make pedestrians more vulnerable."
If they walk into an iceberg then that serves them right |
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Fire started 3 weeks before the ship sailed in a coal bunker on board. Coal bunker was next to a bulkhead (design flaw in ship).
Fire spread to second coal bunker.
Firemen put out fire by removing coal into the boilers. Took about 4 days.
Bulkhead warped from excessive heat.
Coal strike meant that they had no additonal coal on board so had to steam full speed to NY or the ship would run out of coal. Hence steaming full speed into iceberg field.
Iceberg struck hull. Bulkheads filled with sea water. Damaged bulkhead failed letting in seawater which the bulkheads should have kept out.
Ship sank.
Cover up ensued.
The end. |
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This sailing ships things is harder than you imagine.
There was a captain awhile back that hit an iceberg in the southern ocean the size of the isle of Wight... They sneak up on you and then pounce.
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Unlike the world's largest island of Australia which Abel Tasman managed to sail around without spotting but did find that very small and quite close to Australia island of Tasmania!.
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It's a big old ocean and it seems you either sail straight into things as big as a country or miss them completely.... Unless your Italian!.
Then you can sail into them on purpose with the line.... Watch this |
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"Love all things titanic!"
Me too. I have a small piece of Anthracite coal recovered form the Debris field and am documented as a conservator. Got a number of books on the subject and a file containing a number of reproduced documents.
Watching it on catch up now. |
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Only a couple of minutes in and already I'm unimpressed and disappointed.
FFS - Harland & Wolffe NEVER EVER claimed that she was unsinkable. Neither did the White Star Line.
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"Coal strike meant that they had no additonal coal on board so had to steam full speed to NY or the ship would run out of coal. Hence steaming full speed into iceberg field."
Well, that's clearly false.
In any vehicle, car, plane, ship, running at full speed is the very last thing you would do as it guzzles fuel like it's going out of fashion. You go at a much, much slower speed. Most cargo ships today plod around at pretty sedate speeds to save fuel. In your car, instead of driving to work at 60mph, drop to 50 for a full tank of fuel, you'll see a huge saving. |
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"Coal strike meant that they had no additonal coal on board so had to steam full speed to NY or the ship would run out of coal. Hence steaming full speed into iceberg field.
Well, that's clearly false.
In any vehicle, car, plane, ship, running at full speed is the very last thing you would do as it guzzles fuel like it's going out of fashion. You go at a much, much slower speed. Most cargo ships today plod around at pretty sedate speeds to save fuel. In your car, instead of driving to work at 60mph, drop to 50 for a full tank of fuel, you'll see a huge saving."
Make sure you are in the highest gear possible too  |
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"Only a couple of minutes in and already I'm unimpressed and disappointed.
FFS - Harland & Wolffe NEVER EVER claimed that she was unsinkable. Neither did the White Star Line.
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I'm also a Titanic buff, not in your league perhaps , but still.
I haven't watched this, it seems unlikely that they'll find anything that hasn't been done to death before now as this conspiracy theory has been about for a little while. Please let me know if you see anything that would make it worth watching. |
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"Coal strike meant that they had no additonal coal on board so had to steam full speed to NY or the ship would run out of coal. Hence steaming full speed into iceberg field.
Well, that's clearly false.
In any vehicle, car, plane, ship, running at full speed is the very last thing you would do as it guzzles fuel like it's going out of fashion. You go at a much, much slower speed. Most cargo ships today plod around at pretty sedate speeds to save fuel. In your car, instead of driving to work at 60mph, drop to 50 for a full tank of fuel, you'll see a huge saving.
Make sure you are in the highest gear possible too "
smooth acceleration no hard braking and keep the revs under 3 thou |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Titanic and the Olympic were sister ships. Titanic was slightly bigger. They were built side by side in the Harland and Wolf shipyard in Belfast. A series of unfortunate events lead to the Titanics sinking.
Hot coal in the ship. Nuts and bolts that weren't the right ones. She crashed into a tug boat before leaving Belfast. All these added to her sinking.the ice Berg hit her in the already weakened side. Rumour had it the ships were swapped in the last moment since the Olympic was ready and the titanic wasn't. We will never know the truth. |
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