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"i agree with the media section of your post. without a shadow of a doubt had this tragic incident occured to any parents from a benefits based lifestyle, council estate etc then their poor parenting would have been attacked, family background investigated before being cast as public enemy no1. with regards to their book - i do not see this as a profit making exercise but rather as a fund raising event for the sad parents to continue to investigate their daughters disappearance. i cannot even begin to imagine the pain they must go through each and every day. " But it's their own doing, had they NOT left the children alone in the first place she would still be here today. I just cannot comprehend how anyone could leave three very young children alone whilst they went out somewhere without them, even if it was nearby. If you go on holiday with children then they go with you or you stay in, simple really. | |||
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"i agree with the media section of your post. without a shadow of a doubt had this tragic incident occured to any parents from a benefits based lifestyle, council estate etc then their poor parenting would have been attacked, family background investigated before being cast as public enemy no1. with regards to their book - i do not see this as a profit making exercise but rather as a fund raising event for the sad parents to continue to investigate their daughters disappearance. i cannot even begin to imagine the pain they must go through each and every day. But it's their own doing, had they NOT left the children alone in the first place she would still be here today. I just cannot comprehend how anyone could leave three very young children alone whilst they went out somewhere without them, even if it was nearby. If you go on holiday with children then they go with you or you stay in, simple really. " and you DONT think they wake up every day with that harsh sharp reminder??? hence, i cannot begin to imagine the pain they go through each and every day | |||
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Please show them compassion, we all make mistakes in life, they are paying an extreemly high price for theirs. | |||
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"Now whilst I feel so sorry for whatever happened to this little girl, I am so sick of reading about this case. If her parents had been from a council estate and had left a child alone in this country they'd have been hung drawn and quartered by the media by now and certainly had there remaining two children taken into care. But because they're doctors and it was abroad it's OK. Now the parents are even making money from this by writing a book, unbelievable. "I have already said exactly the same. If it had been a single mother on a council estate popping next door to the pub it would have been portrayed completely differently | |||
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"Now whilst I feel so sorry for whatever happened to this little girl, I am so sick of reading about this case. If her parents had been from a council estate and had left a child alone in this country they'd have been hung drawn and quartered by the media by now and certainly had there remaining two children taken into care. But because they're doctors and it was abroad it's OK. Now the parents are even making money from this by writing a book, unbelievable. "Not sure who is too blame for this though... im guessing its the press because it cant be blaming parents for doing everything they can to find their missing child however it came about. Its expensive business, finding a missing child, im guessing the book is to help fund it. I would do the same, in face anything to find my little girl (although indeed would never have left her unattended) - guess no parent is perfect though. | |||
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"they carry that pain every day... they were crucified by the press, the Portugese police failed to investigate the case. it has nothing to do with council estates or professions ( lets not mention Shannon Matthews, she came from a council estate and her mother had her held hostage under a bed ).... there will be good and bad everywhere. I feel nothing but utter pain for them, they live every day with the ultimate regret. Leaving her was wrong." You know that for a fact about the portugese police? Or basing it on what the (ever impartial) British Media have told us? As for Shannon Matthews, before she was discovered and in the first few weeks of her being missing the media coverage between the pretty young doctor's daughter compared to the poor chavvy kid from a council estate was incomparable. | |||
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"i agree with the media section of your post. without a shadow of a doubt had this tragic incident occured to any parents from a benefits based lifestyle, council estate etc then their poor parenting would have been attacked, family background investigated before being cast as public enemy no1. " actually i think this is spot on...... the McCanns are always going to the polarising figures... because they left the children at home without supervision, and that for a lot of people is going to be unforgivable.... | |||
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"cant help but notice, with all teh Maddie thing, no one seems to remember teh Ben Needham case. never gets a mention anymore. " Well said . you are so right | |||
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"I have always thought they where in on what happened and i still think that way" We think alike but use the word allegedly or in my opiion | |||
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"I have always thought they where in on what happened and i still think that way We think alike but use the word allegedly or in my opiion" yes i agree that would word it alot better | |||
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"I have always thought they where in on what happened and i still think that way" You only have to look at kate maccann's demenour to know that shes broken by what happened and wasnt involved ...for both of them there cant be a day goes by when they dont regret what happened they will be haunted by their actions to their graves .i have symapathy for them...in my opinion no way could they have been involved they loved her they just made a mistake and we are all human ... | |||
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"the silence fromn the british police is and was deafening" What exactly should the British police be doing? | |||
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"I find the fact that the McCann's cannot move on and forget about Madeline heartwrenchingly deserving of better understanding. I imagine their grief and the need to keep searching however much it costs. Having never had children myself I feel unqualified to comment on their parenting but do feel very angry that they are pilloried for keeping the matter in the public eye. To lose a child through illness is tragic but the not knowing as in this case must be horrific!
Please show them compassion, we all make mistakes in life, they are paying an extreemly high price for theirs."I don't mean to sound harsh, but you yourself have said you do not have children, so therefore unqualified to tell those of us that do to have compassion. Compassion for the lost little girl, yes, compassion for her thoughtless parents: no! We all make mistakes yes - forgetting to turn the light off etc, going off to have a swanny with friends whilst leaving three babies to fend for themselves is NOT a mistake. Having stood by the graveside of one of my own children, I cannot begin to understand how any parent could be so cavilier with the welfare of their children. I had my first "proper" holiday on my own in 2002 when I was 42, as every holiday I've had since 1988 was with my children and I didn't rest for one second as I was always on high alert. My ex-husband didn't like to fly so didn't come with us, I always went with girl friends and their children. Leaving our children on their own while we were having a good time was inconceivable. So forgive me if I don't feel a wave of sympathy for the McCann's: I'm trying not to think about the fear that little girl must have felt being taken away from her family while her parents and their equally thoughtless friends knocked back glasses of sauvignon blanc! | |||
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"the silence fromn the british police is and was deafening What exactly should the British police be doing?" Not to mention they tend not to publish all their information for some reason.  | |||
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"cant help but notice, with all teh Maddie thing, no one seems to remember teh Ben Needham case. never gets a mention anymore. " Now this is a case I do have sympathy with as this little boy (if I remember correctly) was snatched from his own garden abroad. That is a whole lot different than to be left alone somewhere whilst parents go out to dinner and leave three children unattended. The family there, although bringing it to the public attention keep a very dignified front, and yes I have every sympathy for them, so I'm not the heartless soul I may have appeared from my opening post. | |||
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"You only have to look at kate maccann's demenour to know that shes broken by what happened and wasnt involved ...for both of them there cant be a day goes by when they dont regret what happened they will be haunted by their actions to their graves .i have symapathy for them...in my opinion no way could they have been involved they loved her they just made a mistake and we are all human ..." I would imagine few if any people including criminal pyscholgists could say that with any real authority. | |||
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"I find the fact that the McCann's cannot move on and forget about Madeline heartwrenchingly deserving of better understanding. I imagine their grief and the need to keep searching however much it costs. Having never had children myself I feel unqualified to comment on their parenting but do feel very angry that they are pilloried for keeping the matter in the public eye. To lose a child through illness is tragic but the not knowing as in this case must be horrific!
Please show them compassion, we all make mistakes in life, they are paying an extreemly high price for theirs.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you yourself have said you do not have children, so therefore unqualified to tell those of us that do to have compassion.
Compassion for the lost little girl, yes, compassion for her thoughtless parents: no!
We all make mistakes yes - forgetting to turn the light off etc, going off to have a swanny with friends whilst leaving three babies to fend for themselves is NOT a mistake.
Having stood by the graveside of one of my own children, I cannot begin to understand how any parent could be so cavilier with the welfare of their children.
I had my first "proper" holiday on my own in 2002 when I was 42, as every holiday I've had since 1988 was with my children and I didn't rest for one second as I was always on high alert. My ex-husband didn't like to fly so didn't come with us, I always went with girl friends and their children.
Leaving our children on their own while we were having a good time was inconceivable.
So forgive me if I don't feel a wave of sympathy for the McCann's: I'm trying not to think about the fear that little girl must have felt being taken away from her family while her parents and their equally thoughtless friends knocked back glasses of sauvignon blanc!
"Well said, and I agree with every word as I think most parents would. Children are our most treasured possesions and should be treated as such. | |||
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"You only have to look at kate maccann's demenour to know that shes broken by what happened and wasnt involved ...for both of them there cant be a day goes by when they dont regret what happened they will be haunted by their actions to their graves .i have symapathy for them...in my opinion no way could they have been involved they loved her they just made a mistake and we are all human ... I would imagine few if any people including criminal pyscholgists could say that with any real authority. " yes you are right. have u ever looked in a sharks eys. | |||
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"You only have to look at kate maccann's demenour to know that shes broken by what happened and wasnt involved ...for both of them there cant be a day goes by when they dont regret what happened they will be haunted by their actions to their graves .i have symapathy for them...in my opinion no way could they have been involved they loved her they just made a mistake and we are all human ... I would imagine few if any people including criminal pyscholgists could say that with any real authority. " i did say in my opinion and we are all allowed to have one ..... | |||
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"cant help but notice, with all teh Maddie thing, no one seems to remember teh Ben Needham case. never gets a mention anymore. Now this is a case I do have sympathy with as this little boy (if I remember correctly) was snatched from his own garden abroad. That is a whole lot different than to be left alone somewhere whilst parents go out to dinner and leave three children unattended. The family there, although bringing it to the public attention keep a very dignified front, and yes I have every sympathy for them, so I'm not the heartless soul I may have appeared from my opening post. " please do not think for one minute i was reffering to yourself, i was meaning that the media never mention his case anymore, | |||
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"For children a holiday for me is butlins or haven. I hate to see abroad mums sunning themselves while little ones are screaming besides them in a push chair what about that lady last year her child got third degree burns because she was too busy enjoying herself to put suncream on him. One word selfish." Would agree with all of that. I feel very sorry for the child but the parents attitude just doesn't seem right. | |||
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"Actually take the case of Ben Needham, this 21mth old child has never been found. There was never as much media for the search for this little boy as there as been for Madeline McCann. To this date I believe this little boy has still yet to be found." That lad would be an adult now and you would have thought he would have been found. The parents split up over it which is sad too. | |||
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"Actually take the case of Ben Needham, this 21mth old child has never been found. There was never as much media for the search for this little boy as there as been for Madeline McCann. To this date I believe this little boy has still yet to be found. That lad would be an adult now and you would have thought he would have been found. The parents split up over it which is sad too. " Yup i think he would be 23 or 24 now, my opoint was the lack of media interest, oh when it first happend it was all over the place. not mentioned mmuch these days, if he is still alive and i do hope he is, he needs to be found | |||
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"cant help but notice, with all teh Maddie thing, no one seems to remember teh Ben Needham case. never gets a mention anymore. " Ben needham always sticks in my mind as I had a son the same age at the time....that case was very much forgotten but same tragic circumstances xx | |||
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"I was a single parent for 12 years, i have a serious illness for which ive been hospitalized on many occasions. My son was always always cared for. Through my own choice i didnt leave him with babysitters to go out. The first time i left him on his own for the evening he was 15 and that was only until 11. Yes maybe i was an over cautious parent but i chose to have my son. They didnt just leave one child on their own they left three children under the age of five on there own" hear hear well said and u can never be over cautious with any children in this day and age and as for being ripped apart in the media like others have stated well its well deserved and founded wat ppl seem to be missing is that THEY LEFT ALL 3 KIDS ON THEY OWN!!!!! now that is inexcusable who ever or what ever your profession is ,i agree ,leave them wi family or registered minders but cummon ,on they own ,appauling,and as for her bokk ,what she trying to make right the wrong doing thet they did to them kids cos if suffering is wat they are doing suffering they deserve our kids are our lives as should it be te same wi every parent | |||
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"Now whilst I feel so sorry for whatever happened to this little girl, I am so sick of reading about this case. If her parents had been from a council estate and had left a child alone in this country they'd have been hung drawn and quartered by the media by now and certainly had there remaining two children taken into care. But because they're doctors and it was abroad it's OK. Now the parents are even making money from this by writing a book, unbelievable. "I totally agree. Who leaves their child alone while they go to dinner?! | |||
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"I find the fact that the McCann's cannot move on and forget about Madeline heartwrenchingly deserving of better understanding. I imagine their grief and the need to keep searching however much it costs. Having never had children myself I feel unqualified to comment on their parenting but do feel very angry that they are pilloried for keeping the matter in the public eye. To lose a child through illness is tragic but the not knowing as in this case must be horrific!
Please show them compassion, we all make mistakes in life, they are paying an extreemly high price for theirs.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you yourself have said you do not have children, so therefore unqualified to tell those of us that do to have compassion.
Compassion for the lost little girl, yes, compassion for her thoughtless parents: no!
We all make mistakes yes - forgetting to turn the light off etc, going off to have a swanny with friends whilst leaving three babies to fend for themselves is NOT a mistake.
Having stood by the graveside of one of my own children, I cannot begin to understand how any parent could be so cavilier with the welfare of their children.
I had my first "proper" holiday on my own in 2002 when I was 42, as every holiday I've had since 1988 was with my children and I didn't rest for one second as I was always on high alert. My ex-husband didn't like to fly so didn't come with us, I always went with girl friends and their children.
Leaving our children on their own while we were having a good time was inconceivable.
So forgive me if I don't feel a wave of sympathy for the McCann's: I'm trying not to think about the fear that little girl must have felt being taken away from her family while her parents and their equally thoughtless friends knocked back glasses of sauvignon blanc!
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"The whole thing sends shivers down my spine "I feel the same it makes me very uncomfortable. | |||
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"what matters is that they do all they can to raise money to carry on searching for their daughter " Just picking up on this point which appears to be a re-curring theme and I know I am being very cycnical here but where does the money go? Because the fund is not registered as a charity? And I doubt it's set up as a business either which suggests straight to the McCanns. And from what I recall millions were raised initially. But still the need to raise money but where does it go? | |||
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"what matters is that they do all they can to raise money to carry on searching for their daughter Just picking up on this point which appears to be a re-curring theme and I know I am being very cycnical here but where does the money go? Because the fund is not registered as a charity? And I doubt it's set up as a business either which suggests straight to the McCanns. And from what I recall millions were raised initially. But still the need to raise money but where does it go?" A fair portion of it will go to their two publicists, four lawyers (one an expert in extradition) and to assorted private investigators in various countries. | |||
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"what matters is that they do all they can to raise money to carry on searching for their daughter Just picking up on this point which appears to be a re-curring theme and I know I am being very cycnical here but where does the money go? Because the fund is not registered as a charity? And I doubt it's set up as a business either which suggests straight to the McCanns. And from what I recall millions were raised initially. But still the need to raise money but where does it go?" I imagine it's not a registered charity because finding the wean doesn't meet any of the usual tests regarding public benefit. It's really hard to imagine what "public benefit" (apart from getting that apalling couple out of the glare of publicity) that would derive from finding a lost child. | |||
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"What I don't (and probably never will) understand, is how they kept their twins when they returned. ................." I believe it was because they hadn't actually committed a crime in the UK and the Portuguese, again, as I recall, hadn't sought to extradite them and, again as I recall, they were careful not to take the other kids back to Portugal. | |||
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"I refuse to eat their oven chips just to make a point..." I don't think they are the same family that makes chips. | |||
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"I refuse to eat their oven chips just to make a point... I don't think they are the same family that makes chips. "Then I have lost a stone in weight for nowt?...Damn! | |||
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"Yup i think he would be 23 or 24 now, my opoint was the lack of media interest, oh when it first happend it was all over the place. not mentioned mmuch these days, if he is still alive and i do hope he is, he needs to be found" Ben will be 22 on October 29th, although I don't know his family, I think about him all the time and follow any stories that do come up about sightings etc as my God son shares the same birth date as Ben | |||
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"What I don't (and probably never will) understand, is how they kept their twins when they returned. They went out for dinner, everynight, for 10 nights leaving the children locked in their apartment. Reading the papers this week, they admitted that they didn't use the child minding service because they 'wouldn't leave their children with a stranger,' And also................ if someone has the chance to 'steal' a child, would a baby not be a better option? Very few distinguishing marks, would know no better growing up etc..... I've always thought that the McCanns should have been the prime suspects in this and I don't believe a word of what they say............ even if they are not guilty of the crime of murdering their own daughter, they are bloody well guilty of neglect. ." I don't think the childminding services that holiday clubs provide actually have people sitting in the same room all night with the kids, they just check at intervals, I'm not even sure they go into the apartments, just listen at the door for any noise. I don't think they should have this service, encourages people to leave their kids. I've even seen parents with child monitors in the hotel bar at night. So should we take the thousands of kids off their parents who use these facilities, as they are essentially doing what the McCanns did. I think leaving their children was neglectful and I guess they thought it would never happen to them. They took what they thought were precautions, they were in sight of the apartment and were checking every half hour or whatever - it Wasn't enough and they've paid the highest price for that mistake. I like everyone else on here agrees they did wrong, they know it too, but they are not the only parents ever to leave their kids, I've known people just nip to the local shop 5 mins away while their babies are asleep, people do take chances cos they don't think it will ever happen to them. I've no idea why the other kids weren't taken, it was an opportunist crime, maybe she was the nearest to grab. I haven't read any newspaper coverage recently but I doubt that the McCanns wrote the headlines or articles themselves, when you agree to sell a story, for whatever reason, you sell your soul to the devil. I just wish they'd find out what happened to the child, even the worst case scenario, as not knowing must be horrific | |||
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"What person in their right mind would leave 3 children in unfamiliar surroundings, (with access to a balcony, a door and electric sockets etc) alone for 30 seconds let alone to go out for a meal? Is it not illegal in the uk for a minor to be left in charge of siblings? So in leaving Maddie with the twins, was she not in charge of them? These people deserve no sympathy, but the children left behind deserve all our kindness, as they are living with irresponsible people. " Let's not forget we're not talking about young naive parents here with little skills and knowledge, but two trained doctors who should have known better. I just hope the twins were young enough not to remember, because if they did get "flashbacks" they could be so traumatic for them, and like many have already said if Madeleine was abducted why not go for a younger child that couldn't talk. Doesn't add up at all!!! | |||
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"Shouldn’t really matter if they were 1 min away or 10 minutes away, but why is everyone saying they were a 10 minute walk away when it was probably closer to 1 minute, and if it wasn't for having to walk around the pool it would be closer to 20 seconds, you could throw a stone further than the distance between the two, have walked further to put my bin out when the kids are in bed. " Are you saying they didnt do anything wrong leaving babies alone?? | |||
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"Shouldn’t really matter if they were 1 min away or 10 minutes away, but why is everyone saying they were a 10 minute walk away when it was probably closer to 1 minute, and if it wasn't for having to walk around the pool it would be closer to 20 seconds, you could throw a stone further than the distance between the two, have walked further to put my bin out when the kids are in bed. Are you saying they didnt do anything wrong leaving babies alone?? "That would be you | |||
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"Are you saying they didnt do anything wrong leaving babies alone?? "Of course I’m not, hence why it started "Shouldn’t really matter if they were 1 min away or 10 minutes away" the point was, just because it was wrong and stupid doesn’t mean it’s ok to exaggerate the facts, then again when do most journalists ever let the truth get in the way of a good story. The jibe about the bin was just pointing out that some things do take parents out of their children’s reach without them even knowing it, whether that be hanging washing out, putting bins out etc I know it’s an emotive subject, but I get the impression by some of the replies on here some people think its all their fault, and they deserve the grief they are going through. Anyone who thinks they deserve what happened due to a very bad judgment by the parents are sicker than the people/person responsible for what happened. | |||
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" ................ Anyone who thinks they deserve what happened due to a very bad judgment by the parents are sicker than the people/person responsible for what happened. " Nobody deserves the grief which has befalled the parents as a result of their extraordinary bad judgement but they absolutely deserve our criticism and condemnation - if only to ensure no other parents are so stupid ever again. | |||
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" ................ Anyone who thinks they deserve what happened due to a very bad judgment by the parents are sicker than the people/person responsible for what happened. Nobody deserves the grief which has befalled the parents as a result of their extraordinary bad judgement but they absolutely deserve our criticism and condemnation - if only to ensure no other parents are so stupid ever again." I agree, but there’s a huge difference between people questioning and condoning their bad parenting skills and people saying they deserved what happened. | |||
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" ................ Anyone who thinks they deserve what happened due to a very bad judgment by the parents are sicker than the people/person responsible for what happened. Nobody deserves the grief which has befalled the parents as a result of their extraordinary bad judgement but they absolutely deserve our criticism and condemnation - if only to ensure no other parents are so stupid ever again. I agree, but there’s a huge difference between people questioning and condoning their bad parenting skills and people saying they deserved what happened." I hope that's exactly what I said. | |||
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"im not saying they deserved what happened to them thats like saying that Maddie seserved it but every little bit of pain and suffering theyve gone through after is tought u reap wat u sow so iff suffering is wat they doing wel tough shit ,ive 3 kids and never ever left any ov them on they own at that age and if we did leave them ,they would be left with they grandparents who would never leave them .its inexcusable wat the mcanns av done and again ,they deserve the pain they are feeling tbh" I agree 1000%!! | |||
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"Are you saying they didnt do anything wrong leaving babies alone??
Of course I’m not, hence why it started "Shouldn’t really matter if they were 1 min away or 10 minutes away" the point was, just because it was wrong and stupid doesn’t mean it’s ok to exaggerate the facts, then again when do most journalists ever let the truth get in the way of a good story.
The jibe about the bin was just pointing out that some things do take parents out of their children’s reach without them even knowing it, whether that be hanging washing out, putting bins out etc
I know it’s an emotive subject, but I get the impression by some of the replies on here some people think its all their fault, and they deserve the grief they are going through.
Anyone who thinks they deserve what happened due to a very bad judgment by the parents are sicker than the people/person responsible for what happened.
"It staggers me that people are arguing over whether it was 1 minute or ten minutes. How many of us allow our kids to chase the ice cream van down the road, or even round the corner, or send them to the shops 5 minutes away? That's how far away the McCanns were from their children, and they had every reason to believe that they were in a safe area and nothing untoward would happen. What they did wrong was to leave the apartment unsecure. Personally, I'd never have left them alone, but that's me. This is assuming, of course, that neither of them had anything directly to do with their daughter's disappearance. | |||
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" ................ Anyone who thinks they deserve what happened due to a very bad judgment by the parents are sicker than the people/person responsible for what happened. Nobody deserves the grief which has befalled the parents as a result of their extraordinary bad judgement but they absolutely deserve our criticism and condemnation - if only to ensure no other parents are so stupid ever again." *Nods in agreement* | |||
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"im not saying they deserved what happened to them thats like saying that Maddie seserved it but every little bit of pain and suffering theyve gone through after is tought u reap wat u sow so iff suffering is wat they doing wel tough shit ,ive 3 kids and never ever left any ov them on they own at that age and if we did leave them ,they would be left with they grandparents who would never leave them .its inexcusable wat the mcanns av done and again ,they deserve the pain they are feeling tbh" The hotel offer the exact same service though, it’s not a new thing for holiday complexes to offer such services, I for one wouldn’t use such a service, but if its that bad why are these said services legal, would it then be ok if they had paid a stranger to do what they had done. Not for one minute trying to condone what they did, but lets be honest here, most crimes against children involve bad judgment, whether that be by overly trusting a relative or choosing the wrong childminder, losing sight of them in busy place’s like shopping centres etc or even letting your child play on the street should they reap what they sow be included on these occasions. Whether we all agree that their parenting skills were bad and know they made a bad judgement they are all victims of crime. | |||
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" It staggers me that people are arguing over whether it was 1 minute or ten minutes. How many of us allow our kids to chase the ice cream van down the road, or even round the corner, or send them to the shops 5 minutes away? That's how far away the McCanns were from their children, and they had every reason to believe that they were in a safe area and nothing untoward would happen. What they did wrong was to leave the apartment unsecure. Personally, I'd never have left them alone, but that's me. This is assuming, of course, that neither of them had anything directly to do with their daughter's disappearance." But we wouldn't let kids of that age do all of that, surely? (and I see that you've said you wouldn't have left them if you were there) Let's not forget that Maddie was the eldest at only 3. Sheesh - I wouldn't do what they did with my kids and they're between 13 and 2. We go on holiday as a family. If we eat out the kids are with us, simple - and Portugal is very family friendly. When it's their bedtime we go back and sit around whilst they sleep. I wouldn't leave them alone here in familiar surroundings, let alone in an unfamiliar holiday place. And I'm of the opinion that if it had been a working class single parent they would have been slated. Two middle class parents (photogenic too) and the media condemnation was virtually non-existent. Whilst I don't wish their pain upon them, I really do think that ultimately the blame lies at their door - if they hadn't have gone out for food then it couldn't have happened as it's supposed to have. My children are more important to me than a meal with friends. I just would not ever have put/ will put myself and my children in that situation whilst small. A totally avoidable massively careless error or misjudgement on their part has resulted in the disappearance (death?) of a young child.. Sad. | |||
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" It staggers me that people are arguing over whether it was 1 minute or ten minutes. How many of us allow our kids to chase the ice cream van down the road, or even round the corner, or send them to the shops 5 minutes away? That's how far away the McCanns were from their children, and they had every reason to believe that they were in a safe area and nothing untoward would happen. What they did wrong was to leave the apartment unsecure. Personally, I'd never have left them alone, but that's me. ." It matters not if they were 10 minutes away or one minute, they were not safe if they have no adult watching over them. The argument of letting your child skip away for an ice cream is totally different to leaving your three children while you go on the piss. As for the only thing they are guilty of is leaving the apartment unlocked, no, they are guilty of leaving their three small children alone in an apartment while they drank and ate in a bar. | |||
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" ............ Not for one minute trying to condone what they did, but lets be honest here, most crimes against children involve bad judgment, whether that be by overly trusting a relative or choosing the wrong childminder, losing sight of them in busy place’s like shopping centres etc or even letting your child play on the street should they reap what they sow be included on these occasions. ............ " The difference is that in trusting a relative or choosing the 'wrong' childminder, parents have, at least made an attempt to do the right thing by their kids - it's a bit like condemning the parents of kids who were abused at their local nursery by people the parents OUGHT to have been in a position to trust. Where the McCanns went wrong, in my opinion, is that they simply walked off and left their kids alone. It doesn't matter that they thought the room was safe. It doesn't matter how many yards or minutes walk away they were. Kids of that age should never be further away than in the next room or up the stairs* in a building which is secured against any intrusion from outwith. *with appropriate measures to stop them falling down the stairs. | |||
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"What I’d genuinely like to know is how these holiday complexes get away with offering such a service within their complex if it falls under neglect. I’ve already stated I wouldn’t use such a service but if it’s neglect how can they offer it? And its not just foreign countries that offer it either." I dont think they took up the offer of a baby sitter service, thats why its neglect..the babies were left alone. | |||
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"im not saying they deserved what happened to them thats like saying that Maddie seserved it but every little bit of pain and suffering theyve gone through after is tought u reap wat u sow so iff suffering is wat they doing wel tough shit ,ive 3 kids and never ever left any ov them on they own at that age and if we did leave them ,they would be left with they grandparents who would never leave them .its inexcusable wat the mcanns av done and again ,they deserve the pain they are feeling tbh The hotel offer the exact same service though, it’s not a new thing for holiday complexes to offer such services, I for one wouldn’t use such a service, but if its that bad why are these said services legal, would it then be ok if they had paid a stranger to do what they had done. Not for one minute trying to condone what they did, but lets be honest here, most crimes against children involve bad judgment, whether that be by overly trusting a relative or choosing the wrong childminder, losing sight of them in busy place’s like shopping centres etc or even letting your child play on the street should they reap what they sow be included on these occasions. Whether we all agree that their parenting skills were bad and know they made a bad judgement they are all victims of crime. " The only victim of crime in this is Maddie due to being snached from her hotel room because ov the utter neglect ov her parents for leaving them all alone wich in this country is a crime wich gets dealt with severly so there for are Jerry and Kate victims ov crime or as bad as the criminals ,in my oppinion if its a crime to leave young children all alone in this country its a crime in any other, there for they are as guilty as the criminals who took her i just cant get ppl who are sympathising with the Mcanns at all as its totally they fault, Bad judgment ,naievety ,stupididty or plain ignorance the fact is that Maddie has gone down to Jerry's and Kates selfishness ,now any parent who is any good would never dream ov leaving they kids all alone at that age and the 1s that do such things just simply should not have children such as the Mcanns ,they should be held criminally responsable for it as well.If you put a child into a nursary or with a baby sitter and summing seriously went wrong with that child bcause the ppl incharge failed at they responsibilities in this country they would be held criminally responsible and dealt with in a court of law accordingly so how come Jerry and Kate have managed to get away with it,now that completely baffles me  | |||
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"Yes but the listening service they provide is a service where they listen at the door of the apartment every 15 minutes or so and contact the parents if somethings amiss, they don't even enter the apartment so what i was asking is why are these services allowed if it's regarded as neglect." Personally, the service provided wouldn't have been suitable for me if I had chidlren that age, so guess what?!! Radical idea, I know, but I'd have stayed with my kids or taken them with me! | |||
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"Yes but the listening service they provide is a service where they listen at the door of the apartment every 15 minutes or so and contact the parents if somethings amiss, they don't even enter the apartment so what i was asking is why are these services allowed if it's regarded as neglect. Personally, the service provided wouldn't have been suitable for me if I had chidlren that age, so guess what?!! Radical idea, I know, but I'd have stayed with my kids or taken them with me! " Yep - as I said earlier - we go on holiday as a family. If we go out to eat we all go, otherwise we all stay in. And at bedtime we all stay in. | |||
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"Yes but the listening service they provide is a service where they listen at the door of the apartment every 15 minutes or so and contact the parents if somethings amiss, they don't even enter the apartment so what i was asking is why are these services allowed if it's regarded as neglect. Personally, the service provided wouldn't have been suitable for me if I had chidlren that age, so guess what?!! Radical idea, I know, but I'd have stayed with my kids or taken them with me! " Never said it was suitable sassy, i was questioning it's legality if its deemed as neglect. How do they these complexes get to offer such a service? | |||
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"I wonder if the reason they were both in high-powered jobs was the reason they DID leave their children alone. To do the jobs they did, large amounts of outsourced childcare must have been bought so maybe they had no child-sense since they rarely actually parented? " I actually have to agree with this point. | |||
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"I wonder if the reason they were both in high-powered jobs was the reason they DID leave their children alone. To do the jobs they did, large amounts of outsourced childcare must have been bought so maybe they had no child-sense since they rarely actually parented? I actually have to agree with this point." Well why have kids if your never with them anyways ,ppl who choose to do that to they kids (i mean, have them and employ a nanny for the rest ov they lives from morning to night)shouldent have kids its like as if they toys to be picked up and disgarded off to the nanny wen they choose ,kids aint toys so wats the matter wi ppl and because they may not have known how to be proper parents dosent make them any less guiltyer of the crime ov child niglect now does it? | |||
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"Yes but the listening service they provide is a service where they listen at the door of the apartment every 15 minutes or so and contact the parents if somethings amiss, they don't even enter the apartment so what i was asking is why are these services allowed if it's regarded as neglect. Personally, the service provided wouldn't have been suitable for me if I had chidlren that age, so guess what?!! Radical idea, I know, but I'd have stayed with my kids or taken them with me! Never said it was suitable sassy, i was questioning it's legality if its deemed as neglect. How do they these complexes get to offer such a service?" I know. I was talking from my perspective: if that was all that was on offer it wouldn't have been a service I'd have availed myself of. | |||
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"Shouldn’t really matter if they were 1 min away or 10 minutes away, but why is everyone saying they were a 10 minute walk away when it was probably closer to 1 minute, and if it wasn't for having to walk around the pool it would be closer to 20 seconds, you could throw a stone further than the distance between the two, have walked further to put my bin out when the kids are in bed. " The bar was about 50 mtrs away by direct route and following the paths, about 150 mtrs. The room was not visible from the bar because of a 2mtr wall and tall shrubbery between them! They were out for a meal, without their kids and not even in the same building!! They hadn't availed themselves of the listening service, no matter how unsuitable most of us think they are, so they didn't do everything they could reasonably do to protect their children! They also left it an hour between checks! Bloody hell, anything could have happened in an hour! Suppose Maddy or one of the babies had woken and found they were on their own? (If indeed they could have woken...) Suppose that had happened just as Jerry went out of the patio doors and back to the bar... They would have been distraught and scarred for life by the time Kate found them an hour later!!! These Patio doors... As I remember it, cannot be locked from the outside, but Kate went back in through them! That would mean that the room was not secured and anyone could have got in. At the risk of insulting trees everywhere, If the McCanns thought that was OK to do, then for clever people they were as thick as two short planks! Ask yourself this question, you are ill and suspect you are really quite badly ill... Would you trust their judgment now? | |||
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"Whatever anyones _iews i do believe the case will never be solved. They think ben needham was taken by gipsys. What about jenette tate? Never to be seen or heard of again. It fascinates me that in this day and age anyone can take/abduct/dispose of a child without leaving a trace of evidence" Its been going on since the begining ov time and will till the end thats a horrible fact ov life | |||
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" ........It fascinates me that in this day and age anyone can take/abduct/dispose of a child without leaving a trace of evidence" You have to question how much of it down to the fact the parents made it clear early on (as I recall) that they didn't feel the Portuguese authorities hadn't been as active as they thought they should be. The UK media jumped on the bandwagon and suddenly it became the plucky English (I know, I know) versus Johnny Foreigner. The McCanns wanted lots of publicity 'cos they reckoned it'd help their case and the Portuguese wanted no publicity 'cos it'd harm tourism. The two 'halves' of the issue were never going to agree how to proceed. | |||
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" According to friends and police reports given at the time, they didn't use the patio doors as a sofa had been pushed against them, they used the front door with a key, right round the other side of the building. They also tried to say the shutter and window had been opened from outside, thus making it possible for their daughter to be snatched....wasn't possible as the shutter is a roll down metal one only operable from inside. Only finger prints on the window and latch were Kate's, from inside. Two sniffer dogs from Britain, one a trained cadaver dog the other trained to scent only blood, found traces of blood and the scent of a cadaver in the apartment behind the sofa, a wardrobe and in the Maccann's hire car that was hired days after Maddie's disappearance. " I remember that did'nt they say one of the younger ones had cut themselves or something to do with a nappy was dna checked. | |||
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"It's all too easy to get distracted from the core of the issue. We can spend forever debating who did the searching, or took DNA samples from whom, who locked or didn't lock windows or shutters from the inside or out and whether the Portuguese police, or Europol, or Special Branch, or MI6, or the CIA, the Mafia or the Taleban or Uncle Tom Cobley did or didn't have a hand in this or did or didn't do their jobs properly or at all. The only things we know for sure are 1) the child is missing and 2) she went missing whilst her parents were out on the piss with their pals." WOW ... we agree on something lol | |||
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"its bad parenting by them really it was said that they left the children in the flat/apartment -on their own - in order to have a meal with another couple for starters - you never ever leave the children alone i thought them being doctors -were intelligent people - i was wrong !! they should rip up their degrees that they have - because they havent got an ounce of common sense between them and now they profiting from a sale of a book that they have written if they hadnt been negligent in the first place - all this wouldnt be happening huh !! - what about ben needham - does anyone care about what happened to him ?? - i doubt it ben needham came from a working class family - nothing done, nothing heard of him madeline mcann - still getting coverage to this very day - all because her parents are doctors and being doctors - they would be classed as "middle class" when people say - theres no class system in britain thats crap - of course theres still a class system !!" There was huge coverage of the Needham case when he first disappeared and to this day there are documentaries made about the case but it's stone cold now. How long can the media devote airtime to a case with no new leads? Madeleine McCann's cherubic little face has been instrumental in keeping public attention. People are genuinely concerned for the little girl regardless of the fact that her parents are doctors. If you recall the Shannon Matthews case you will see how uneducated your words are as the whole country was very concerned about another missing little girl - and she was from a council sink estate, only HER mother had seen the money the McCanns had generated to continue the search and saw a way of making a quick buck and hid the girl at her uncle's house. But you're right, there is a class system in Britain, and it's not difficult to see why it exists when you see comments like the one above. Your post reeks of left wing jingoism bordering on communist diatribe. | |||
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"Obviously whatever happened the parents are racked with guilt... The people I think who are particulary suffering are the children who remain. we don't know of course but the idea of growing up in a family where your mother is endlessly obsessed with the sister that isn't there, a sister you probably can't remember... It seems a recipe for potentially growing upi with head totally messed up. I hope when they are not on TV not talking about Madeline the parents are "normal" with the others." Nah they still doctors ,they still wrk and the kids are probarbly still thrown on a full time nanny to do the jobs that kate as a mother who apparently wanted children should do ,i think any body who has kids just to leave with a full time nanny 1s thayve had them should be shot as those kids will grow up knowing nothin bout wat its like being in a proper family inviroment,kids are not obgects which you have just to dump on some1 else to look after ,they yours and yours alone and the responsibility ov bringing them up tidy is down to the ppl who had them and no body else | |||
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"Whatever anyones _iews i do believe the case will never be solved. They think ben needham was taken by gipsys. What about jenette tate? Never to be seen or heard of again. It fascinates me that in this day and age anyone can take/abduct/dispose of a child without leaving a trace of evidence" There was evidence . Enough left so that in the UK would have brought charges whether a body had been recovered of not. After that it would have been up to a jury to decide. #ee swingershaz's popst for just some of the evidence found | |||
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" According to friends and police reports given at the time, they didn't use the patio doors as a sofa had been pushed against them, they used the front door with a key, right round the other side of the building. They also tried to say the shutter and window had been opened from outside, thus making it possible for their daughter to be snatched....wasn't possible as the shutter is a roll down metal one only operable from inside. Only finger prints on the window and latch were Kate's, from inside. Two sniffer dogs from Britain, one a trained cadaver dog the other trained to scent only blood, found traces of blood and the scent of a cadaver in the apartment behind the sofa, a wardrobe and in the Maccann's hire car that was hired days after Maddie's disappearance. " yes what u say is true. In the UK the cPS would have deemed this enough to bring charges. Body or no body (thats quite common now. the jury would then decide either way. thatys what this case now lacks .. closure | |||
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"Goncalo Amaral's book, "Maddie: The forbidden Investigation" makes interesting reading. This book is banned from being printed in the UK. He originally headed the police investigation. " you make great points, cant beieve there are so many gullible people on here next thing people on here will be saying dianas death was an accident or kennedy was shot by a lone gunman cos they read it in the sun | |||
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" Will rephrase. To anyone this applies to.....If you are going to post your _iews, do it without getting personal, or you may find you can't post at all." Thankyou. its just it followed mine which very definitly wasnt personal. I agree by the way | |||
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" Nah they still doctors ,they still wrk and the kids are probarbly still thrown on a full time nanny to do the jobs that kate as a mother who apparently wanted children should do ,i think any body who has kids just to leave with a full time nanny 1s thayve had them should be shot as those kids will grow up knowing nothin bout wat its like being in a proper family inviroment,kids are not obgects which you have just to dump on some1 else to look after ,they yours and yours alone and the responsibility ov bringing them up tidy is down to the ppl who had them and no body else " Ive worked all my life and I have kids, should I be shot too - or should I sit on my arse claiming benefits but being an oh so good parent, bringing up my children to show them the good values of skiving and accepting handouts. Most people have to work nowadays to keep a home, food and clothes on their kids backs. I was lucky to only work part time when my kids were little, others dont have that luxury, they have to work full time. In an ideal work all mothers could stay at home while there partners earned a good wage to keep the family - unfortunately this is not an ideal world.  | |||
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" Most people have to work nowadays to keep a home, food and clothes on their kids backs. I was lucky to only work part time when my kids were little, others dont have that luxury, they have to work full time. In an ideal work all mothers could stay at home while there partners earned a good wage to keep the family - unfortunately this is not an ideal world. "Seconded! Also there is the small matter of "loosing" a professional like a doctor (or other professions) for a number of years as they leave their career, some struggle to keep up with professional development over the years as full time parents. Furthermore, there is a term "GOOD ENOUGH" mother (can be substitued by father or [parent) which is used in the talking therapies and it refers to just that : It is not a perfect world and even if both parents did pay 100% attention to their offspring 100% of their time... it does not mean their children fare any better emotionally and socially than those of working or part time working parents. Conclusion : Life is a balance and generalisations are, by definition, inaccurate! | |||
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"I dont have a problem with anyone leaving their children, i chose not to but it was my choice. Most parents work these days. People go out on an evening and leave there children with babysitters. My problem is leaving them without making sure they where cared for and looked after" Absolutely agree - and I would personally be on the over cautious side here.. | |||
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" And to think, the number of times my mum and dad left me, to "go for a drink". " and we are witnessing the effects right here and now | |||
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" ................ Most people have to work nowadays to keep a home, food and clothes on their kids backs. I was lucky to only work part time when my kids were little, others dont have that luxury, they have to work full time. In an ideal work all mothers could stay at home while there partners earned a good wage to keep the family - unfortunately this is not an ideal world. "No, this world is neither ideal nor perfect but the idea that this particular mother HAS to go out to work is laughable. Either parent could pursue their previous career (as a GP or a cardiologist) and still earn sufficient to live a decent lifestyle, feed their kids and pay for the occasional babysitter. | |||
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"Scotland Yard are going to have a fresh look over the case and David Cameron is getting involved now one question WHY?" One answer : because he's PM. | |||
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"Scotland Yard are going to have a fresh look over the case and David Cameron is getting involved now one question WHY?" Cameron thinks it'll improve his ratings and, in his mind, dispell the Flashman image he's created. The McCanns might well find a UK police examination of the case to be a two-edged sword. Any evidence of wrongdoing the cops discover might well point to the McCanns. | |||
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"Scotland Yard are going to have a fresh look over the case and David Cameron is getting involved now one question WHY? One answer : because he's PM." And because he's been reminded that Madeleine McCann is a British citizen and deserves every resource possible made available to find her. Plus it will be great PR if they do find Maddie alive, not so great if she's dead but will bring closure to it, for the McCans, for the government, and last but not least, for the poor little mite at the centre of this whole sorry case. If all of that can be achieved with a complete re_iew then one has to commend David Cameron for his instruction to Scotland Yard to re-examine the files. | |||
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"...........If all of that can be achieved with a complete re_iew then one has to commend David Cameron for his instruction to Scotland Yard to re-examine the files." 'Can' a Prime Minister instruct the Metropolitan Police (or any police) to do anything? I have my doubts. The logical extention would be that a PM has the authority to instruct them 'not' to do something and that'd be a really bad situation if it existed. I also suspect it'd blur the separation of powers principles which some folk hold very dear. | |||
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"...........If all of that can be achieved with a complete re_iew then one has to commend David Cameron for his instruction to Scotland Yard to re-examine the files. 'Can' a Prime Minister instruct the Metropolitan Police (or any police) to do anything? I have my doubts. The logical extention would be that a PM has the authority to instruct them 'not' to do something and that'd be a really bad situation if it existed. I also suspect it'd blur the separation of powers principles which some folk hold very dear." Perhaps he can't instruct S/Yard directly, perhaps he can, I'm not as well briefed on the finer points of Prime Ministerial power as I'd like to be, but as PM and head of the cabinet he can instruct the Home Secretary that he would very much like to see this case re_iewed and that the H/Sec should make it happen... and the H/sec might like to keep his job in any forthcoming cabinet reshuffle.
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".........he can instruct the Home Secretary that he would very much like to see this case re_iewed and that the H/Sec should make it happen... and the H/sec might like to keep his job in any forthcoming cabinet reshuffle.
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"Scotland Yard are going to have a fresh look over the case and David Cameron is getting involved now one question WHY?" But why should the British taxpayer (as this is where the money will come from) have to pay for any of this. It's the parents wrongdoing in the first place why the hell can't they accept it is their fault. Personally I wish THEY would disappear as I'm sick to death of hearing about THEM. Sorry just my own _iew!!!!! | |||
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"Scotland Yard are going to have a fresh look over the case and David Cameron is getting involved now one question WHY? But why should the British taxpayer (as this is where the money will come from) have to pay for any of this. It's the parents wrongdoing in the first place why the hell can't they accept it is their fault. Personally I wish THEY would disappear as I'm sick to death of hearing about THEM. Sorry just my own _iew!!!!!" Madeliene McCann is BRITISH and a minor. She can't be held responsible for what has happened to her nor provide the funds to find her. What should we do then? Abandon any BRITISH citizen who doesn't have the financial means to affect their own rescue! The tide of sympathy towards the McCanns has definately turned when all they are trying to do is get their child back using any resources they possibly can. Would we do the same if it was our child in this situation? You betcha. | |||
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" ................ Most people have to work nowadays to keep a home, food and clothes on their kids backs. I was lucky to only work part time when my kids were little, others dont have that luxury, they have to work full time. In an ideal work all mothers could stay at home while there partners earned a good wage to keep the family - unfortunately this is not an ideal world.
No, this world is neither ideal nor perfect but the idea that this particular mother HAS to go out to work is laughable. Either parent could pursue their previous career (as a GP or a cardiologist) and still earn sufficient to live a decent lifestyle, feed their kids and pay for the occasional babysitter."Oh you know them personally do you, I didn't realise that. You know how much they earn, how much their mortgage is, how many loans they have etc. I wasn't referring to the McCanns in my post as I don't know any personal information about them. I was responding to a post which stated that all parents who go out to work leaving their children with suitable childcare, for whatever reason, were bad parents, which I do not agree with. How absurd to assume that you know what lifestyle suits them. | |||
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"Scotland Yard are going to have a fresh look over the case and David Cameron is getting involved now one question WHY? Cameron thinks it'll improve his ratings and, in his mind, dispell the Flashman image he's created. The McCanns might well find a UK police examination of the case to be a two-edged sword. Any evidence of wrongdoing the cops discover might well point to the McCanns." Every unsolved crime deserves a re_iew and with fresh eyes looking at all the evidence then perhaps new clues will arise. If the parents are in some way involved in the crime, then its right they should be brought to justice. If they are not I'm sure they will be very happy with this news. | |||
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"Scotland Yard are going to have a fresh look over the case and David Cameron is getting involved now one question WHY? Cameron thinks it'll improve his ratings and, in his mind, dispell the Flashman image he's created. The McCanns might well find a UK police examination of the case to be a two-edged sword. Any evidence of wrongdoing the cops discover might well point to the McCanns. Every unsolved crime deserves a re_iew and with fresh eyes looking at all the evidence then perhaps new clues will arise. If the parents are in some way involved in the crime, then its right they should be brought to justice. If they are not I'm sure they will be very happy with this news. " One could argue that if the McCanns were involved in Maddie's disappearance why would they push for a full re_iew? Of course, one could counter-argue that if they were involved and know she is dead and buried somewhere that they have nothing to fear from a full re_iew knowing that she'll never be found. I don't subscribe to that notion though. I think Cameron has got this one right - for whatever reason - and I hope it leads to some sort of closure. | |||
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" ................ No, this world is neither ideal nor perfect but the idea that this particular mother HAS to go out to work is laughable. Either parent could pursue their previous career (as a GP or a cardiologist) and still earn sufficient to live a decent lifestyle, feed their kids and pay for the occasional babysitter. Oh you know them personally do you, I didn't realise that. You know how much they earn, how much their mortgage is, how many loans they have etc. I wasn't referring to the McCanns in my post as I don't know any personal information about them. I was responding to a post which stated that all parents who go out to work leaving their children with suitable childcare, for whatever reason, were bad parents, which I do not agree with. How absurd to assume that you know what lifestyle suits them. " It's not too hard to work out what a GP and a consultant cardiologist can earn working full time, possibly with some private work and maybe a merit award or two just to top things up. As for their mortgage and maybe some loans - that's stuff they've chosen to have. If they have a big mortgage it's because they chose to have a big mortgage. | |||
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"Why is it that the press never ask any probing questions of the McCann's - if i had a press pass and 15 minutes with that pair i'd have some serious fucking questions i'd expect them to answer. The more i see them the more angry they make me." 'Cos they have a reputation for being very litigious, have Clarence Mitchell as a minder and handle their media contact very well indeed. | |||
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"Why is it that the press never ask any probing questions of the McCann's - if i had a press pass and 15 minutes with that pair i'd have some serious fucking questions i'd expect them to answer. The more i see them the more angry they make me." Right on- You get my vote !! | |||
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"Why is it that the press never ask any probing questions of the McCann's - if i had a press pass and 15 minutes with that pair i'd have some serious fucking questions i'd expect them to answer. The more i see them the more angry they make me." Like what? The questions you would ask - would they likely bring anyone closer to finding the girl or would you just want to ram down their throats the mistake that they made? They are intelligent people and based on their knowledge and experience they took a measured risk - it went terribly wrong. Thousands of families take (or maybe took now) the same measured risks every year and get away with it. | |||
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"I am not sure intelligence always goes with common sense. I don't have a Doctors degree but my common sense wouldn't have let me leave my kids in a tent/caravan/unlocked/locked apartment alone." You sound like my mum But in a good way.i have all the brains,but the common sense of a peanut. | |||
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"I am not sure intelligence always goes with common sense. I don't have a Doctors degree but my common sense wouldn't have let me leave my kids in a tent/caravan/unlocked/locked apartment alone." many, many people do - i can tell you that from experience in the holiday industry. | |||
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"I am not sure intelligence always goes with common sense. I don't have a Doctors degree but my common sense wouldn't have let me leave my kids in a tent/caravan/unlocked/locked apartment alone. You sound like my mum But in a good way.i have all the brains,but the common sense of a peanut. "lol I know a couple of people who are the same 
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"Why is it that the press never ask any probing questions of the McCann's - if i had a press pass and 15 minutes with that pair i'd have some serious fucking questions i'd expect them to answer. The more i see them the more angry they make me. Like what? The questions you would ask - would they likely bring anyone closer to finding the girl or would you just want to ram down their throats the mistake that they made? They are intelligent people and based on their knowledge and experience they took a measured risk - it went terribly wrong. Thousands of families take (or maybe took now) the same measured risks every year and get away with it." Weather caravanning,tenting,in butlins,in a b and b or abroad the fact is that you should never leave little children on theyre own so coz 1000s do it does that make it right???? i dont think so and it is illegal in this country to do so so why havent the Mcanns been probed into the neglect that they have clearly shown its all strange ,fundamentally wrong and common sence that no body who ever they are should leave they small children unnatended so they can go out and if its not wrong pls inlighten me on whats right coz as a parent ov 2 young children i cant agree with u on this ??? | |||
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