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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We will have to wait and see, if the people of Afghanistan have a slightly better life in two years time then and international terrorism is less organised then they have achieved something, if that still holds in ten years time then they have achieved a lot. |
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over a year ago
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If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home. Honour and respect to those who wont be returning and love to their families. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home. Honour and respect to those who wont be returning and love to their families."
And the world will live in peace and Harmony for ever more...sorry was i dreaming again ? |
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home. Honour and respect to those who wont be returning and love to their families."
And how much money and people killed to justify this???
Not even people in the "west" don't have those freedoms so why bomb the shit out of country??
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home. "
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014. |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014. "
Having spent a lot of time over there I can tell you that it is real change. We qerent just over there shooting at people, we were building schools and escorting children to school too. We weren't over there to fight the Taliban perse either, we were there for Al Qaeda, the Taliban simply chose to ally themselves with them.
Those who think it wasn't our war seem to forget the London bus attacks which would have happened regardless of whether we were there or not as Al Qaeda will attack any ally of America. |
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014.
Having spent a lot of time over there I can tell you that it is real change. We qerent just over there shooting at people, we were building schools and escorting children to school too. We weren't over there to fight the Taliban perse either, we were there for Al Qaeda, the Taliban simply chose to ally themselves with them.
Those who think it wasn't our war seem to forget the London bus attacks which would have happened regardless of whether we were there or not as Al Qaeda will attack any ally of America. "
you did your role others did theirs and your stories are the ones we read about, but you were just a pawn in another mans game, and they also had their game to play.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014.
Having spent a lot of time over there I can tell you that it is real change. We qerent just over there shooting at people, we were building schools and escorting children to school too. We weren't over there to fight the Taliban perse either, we were there for Al Qaeda, the Taliban simply chose to ally themselves with them.
Those who think it wasn't our war seem to forget the London bus attacks which would have happened regardless of whether we were there or not as Al Qaeda will attack any ally of America. you did your role others did theirs and your stories are the ones we read about, but you were just a pawn in another mans game, and they also had their game to play.
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for... |
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014.
Having spent a lot of time over there I can tell you that it is real change. We qerent just over there shooting at people, we were building schools and escorting children to school too. We weren't over there to fight the Taliban perse either, we were there for Al Qaeda, the Taliban simply chose to ally themselves with them.
Those who think it wasn't our war seem to forget the London bus attacks which would have happened regardless of whether we were there or not as Al Qaeda will attack any ally of America. you did your role others did theirs and your stories are the ones we read about, but you were just a pawn in another mans game, and they also had their game to play.
I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for..."
Like you said you can twist it however you like |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"95% of the worlds Lithium comes from Afganistan .........and we all use it every day .........mission accomplished  "
Not even close, it nearly all comes from south America! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014.
Having spent a lot of time over there I can tell you that it is real change. We qerent just over there shooting at people, we were building schools and escorting children to school too. We weren't over there to fight the Taliban perse either, we were there for Al Qaeda, the Taliban simply chose to ally themselves with them.
Those who think it wasn't our war seem to forget the London bus attacks which would have happened regardless of whether we were there or not as Al Qaeda will attack any ally of America. you did your role others did theirs and your stories are the ones we read about, but you were just a pawn in another mans game, and they also had their game to play.
I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
Like you said you can twist it however you like"
Said with such maturity!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014. "
and give it a few months or a couple of years they will be back!!! |
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home. Honour and respect to those who wont be returning and love to their families."
And Women. Or are OUR WOMEN not coming home? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for..."
I respect your service.
But, it is my opinion that you have accepted our propaganda in a similar way that a radical Islamist has accepted theirs. |
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
I respect your service.
But, it is my opinion that you have accepted our propaganda in a similar way that a radical Islamist has accepted theirs. "
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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago
Cyprus |
Yes, they are coming home.
I cam3 home Christmas 2012, shocked and weary but I came home. I am now helping get the rest of them back.
Regardless of what ever anyone thinks about it, our men and WOMEN (respect for remembering that Granny), will be home (in the majority) by end of Oct.
I just wish everyone would be glad of that fact and leave the politics and hatred for the situation out of the equation and have a little respect for those of us who went out to do a job, rather than thinking we are mindless idiots drawn by propaganda and bad judgement.
K for one will be remembering those we lost but also will be relieved that we can, will and have, brought so many home safe and sound.
As for the reasons why, what, who, how and have we made a difference. Don't believe everything you read or hear. There are those that know the true cost of what will be left behind and it's definately NOT all bad.
Maddie x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014.
Having spent a lot of time over there I can tell you that it is real change. We qerent just over there shooting at people, we were building schools and escorting children to school too. We weren't over there to fight the Taliban perse either, we were there for Al Qaeda, the Taliban simply chose to ally themselves with them.
Those who think it wasn't our war seem to forget the London bus attacks which would have happened regardless of whether we were there or not as Al Qaeda will attack any ally of America. you did your role others did theirs and your stories are the ones we read about, but you were just a pawn in another mans game, and they also had their game to play.
I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for..."
You weren't fighting for my freedom. |
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home.
I wonder how much of that is real change and how much is propaganda.
As for the Taliban, they have not been defeated and have known for a few years now that we are withdrawing in 2014.
Having spent a lot of time over there I can tell you that it is real change. We qerent just over there shooting at people, we were building schools and escorting children to school too. We weren't over there to fight the Taliban perse either, we were there for Al Qaeda, the Taliban simply chose to ally themselves with them.
Those who think it wasn't our war seem to forget the London bus attacks which would have happened regardless of whether we were there or not as Al Qaeda will attack any ally of America. you did your role others did theirs and your stories are the ones we read about, but you were just a pawn in another mans game, and they also had their game to play.
I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
You weren't fighting for my freedom. "
It does make them feel good though for whatever reason |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home. Honour and respect to those who wont be returning and love to their families.
And Women. Or are OUR WOMEN not coming home?"
Nah, we're leaving 'em there. They need someone to pick the poppies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If girls can be educated, women given the vote and equality for all regardless of gender, race, religion and sexual orientation then job done. Fear Taliban will be back when our boys come home. Honour and respect to those who wont be returning and love to their families.
And Women. Or are OUR WOMEN not coming home?"
Somebody has to stay to put all the toilet seats back down  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It is entirely reasonable and not conflicting to question the validity or achievements of a war whilst supporting fully the individuals serving in that war.
It is only by asking such questions that conclusions as to whether the terrible costs paid by our service personal was worth it.
Criticism of the Afghanistan conflict is NOT criticism of our armed personal, in my opinion. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Yes, they are coming home.
I cam3 home Christmas 2012, shocked and weary but I came home. I am now helping get the rest of them back.
Regardless of what ever anyone thinks about it, our men and WOMEN (respect for remembering that Granny), will be home (in the majority) by end of Oct.
I just wish everyone would be glad of that fact and leave the politics and hatred for the situation out of the equation and have a little respect for those of us who went out to do a job, rather than thinking we are mindless idiots drawn by propaganda and bad judgement.
K for one will be remembering those we lost but also will be relieved that we can, will and have, brought so many home safe and sound.
As for the reasons why, what, who, how and have we made a difference. Don't believe everything you read or hear. There are those that know the true cost of what will be left behind and it's definately NOT all bad.
Maddie x"
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By (user no longer on site)
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
I respect your service.
But, it is my opinion that you have accepted our propaganda in a similar way that a radical Islamist has accepted theirs. "
Wow! Two completely contradictory statements.
But as I've already said you're free to express your opinions. That's all I will say on this thread now.
Have a good Saturday won't you... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
I respect your service.
But, it is my opinion that you have accepted our propaganda in a similar way that a radical Islamist has accepted theirs.
Wow! Two completely contradictory statements.
But as I've already said you're free to express your opinions. That's all I will say on this thread now.
Have a good Saturday won't you..."
I don't accept that there is any contradiction between respecting and supporting a professional carrying out their duty and questioning aspects of their personal opinions. The two are independent of each other.
The prison wardens detaining Nelson Mandela may or may not have believed he should have been behind bars, but that personal opinion was not relevant to them carrying out their duty.
I disagree with some of your personal opinion as do some other serving personnel. I do however honour those who have professionally carried out their duty.
Enjoy your Saturday. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
I respect your service.
But, it is my opinion that you have accepted our propaganda in a similar way that a radical Islamist has accepted theirs. "
Interesting you couple the governments stance on the situation with radical islamists rather than just islamists it says so much about your bias on the situation. Reality is in all this unless you are there you have fuck all idea what difference it really has had along with all the other armchair politicians. |
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
I respect your service.
But, it is my opinion that you have accepted our propaganda in a similar way that a radical Islamist has accepted theirs.
Interesting you couple the governments stance on the situation with radical islamists rather than just islamists it says so much about your bias on the situation. Reality is in all this unless you are there you have fuck all idea what difference it really has had along with all the other armchair politicians. "
And neither go boots on the ground know what's happening, most just following orders |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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..........Reality is in all this unless you are there you have fuck all idea what difference it really has had along with all the other armchair politicians.
And neither go boots on the ground know what's happening, most just following orders"
Maybe you'd prefer a vote in advance of each patrol? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We withdraw from Afghanistan this year, it's a commitment.
What have we achieved?"
Apart from the mass loss of life, innocent mostly (as per usual), absolutely fuck all!! |
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By *utmegsMan
over a year ago
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And neither go boots on the ground know what's happening, most just following orders"
You seem to be confusing us with the American army who are taught to 'obey'. I go where I'm ordered but I'm expected to apply some thought to why I'm there and what I'm trying to achieve. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I signed up of my own free will, knowing full well what may be asked of me. I wasn't a pawn of any kind, I was a tool to get a job done. Twist it however you like to fit your own views, afteral your freedom to express them (however ridiculous I find them) was one of the things I was fighting for...
I respect your service.
But, it is my opinion that you have accepted our propaganda in a similar way that a radical Islamist has accepted theirs.
Interesting you couple the governments stance on the situation with radical islamists rather than just islamists it says so much about your bias on the situation. Reality is in all this unless you are there you have fuck all idea what difference it really has had along with all the other armchair politicians. "
Both sides of this struggle have pushed their fair share of propaganda, the truth is probably somewhere closer to the middle. Don't forget we've been negotiating with the Taliban for at least 2 years.
Do you believe we went to Afghanistan to build schools and get women the vote? |
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