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My Thursday rant is about employers thinking they're God.
I've a nicely written CV and covering letters, approved by a bloke on a course I went on. Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff.
The only thing I can think of, is no one is getting back because I've been on the dole for a long time.
Also yesterday I walked into the job center and saw a load of posters for 18-24 year olds. Sod them!!! What about us long term unemployed?
What about retraining, I hear you say? Not possible these days as it interferes with you actively seeking work. From yesterday, I now have to spend 5 hours looking for jobs and apply for a minimum of 3 per day.
P.S. I'm not looking for sympathy, just wanted a right good moan.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think that is a bit of a sweeping generalisation.
Just because you are having no luck doesn't mean employers think they are god or discriminate.
I have employed many staff over many years and if a CV does not stand out to me then I will not take their application further.
It is about who is suitable, has the right skill set and who fits into the team and company with the relevant experience required.
I do not judge or make my decision based on their current form of employment.
Bearing in mind also that some jobs do require up to date knowledge, eg the IT sector so someone who has not worked within that field for years oppose to someone who currently is,
would not be deemed as suitable for the role.
You can also enhance your skill set doing evening classes and quite a few jobs are happy to train you or send you on refresher courses if you are the right candidate.
With so many people looking for gainful employment you have to make sure you are applying for jobs where you match the employers requirements and stand out above the rest, a bit like single guys on here |
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Maybe you should spend less time on here during the day and get out and find a job if you are that concerned, I don't mean to bust your balls here but you are on these forums an awful lot during the day and if you really want work you need to up your game. |
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By *ammyDodgaMan
over a year ago
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Job Centre = Waste of space.. If you have worked, you have to jump through hoops for help
Never worked. Just sign here.. Off you pop.
I've been there done it, I'm a fully qualified plumbing and heating engineer, what's that your in high demand.. Yes. Try telling that to the employers who are struggling to find work themselves due to contract fixing.
I feel your pain buddy, but you have to take anything. It's so easy to fall into the trap of woe is me.
In the end I went labouring. Got chatting to the plumbers on site. Did work for them on the side.. Got caught by there gaffer while they were off site and got a job |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"@ Julie - I wouldn't mind if they got back to you with feedback. "you didn't have the right skills" or "Your CV is Crap".
@gator - Since predictive text took over lol"
In these recessionary times the last thing companies are thinking about is "oh we must write back to such and such and tell them why they wernt successful".....time is money ! |
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When I was last unemployed I began a starter course with the OU. The OU paid for it because I was unemployed, and the job centre were happy with me doing it.
Applying for 3 jobs a day does not take up a lot of time, I've only been awake for 50 minutes, and already applied for 2 that I was sent via email, as I am unhappy with my current job.
There are many training places that the job centre are happy for you to use, you just have to find them, and of course use them. |
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I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak! 
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere!  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I've a nicely written CV and covering letters, approved by a bloke on a course I went on. ............"
At the risk of upsetting the OP; having 'a' cv isn't good enough. Your cv should be tailored to each job you apply for, making sure you include keywords from the job advert in your cv. Different job, different cv.
At even greater risk of upsetting the OP. Whilst spelling your name as Phyl is entirely your prerogative it might be seen by some potential employers as a bit 'individual' or even 'bolshy'. |
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"I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak!
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere! "
Yet another sweeping statement about employers... |
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I've a nicely written CV and covering letters, approved by a bloke on a course I went on. ............
At the risk of upsetting the OP; having 'a' cv isn't good enough. Your cv should be tailored to each job you apply for, making sure you include keywords from the job advert in your cv. Different job, different cv.
At even greater risk of upsetting the OP. Whilst spelling your name as Phyl is entirely your prerogative it might be seen by some potential employers as a bit 'individual' or even 'bolshy'."
maybe thats how his name is spelt, some parents like to be different... we know someone who liked maisie for their little girl, but wanted to spell it mayzee |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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maybe thats how his name is spelt, some parents like to be different... we know someone who liked maisie for their little girl, but wanted to spell it mayzee"
Puir wean. She probably spends most of her time correcting the spelling of her name.
I can only go by the OP's profile where it says "that's how I spell Phyl."
The essence of jobseeking when there's high unemployment is to reduce the number of reasons a potential employer has to reject your application. |
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I've had no issues with employers 9 times out of 10 my CV lands me an interview and usually get the job....stop looking for one type of job and look for job that you have transferable skills. get off the forums and go and maybe find some voluntary work...  |
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"I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak!
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere!
Yet another sweeping statement about employers..."
No it was definately not, more employers treat their staff poorly than well! |
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"I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak!
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere!
Yet another sweeping statement about employers...
No it was definately not, more employers treat their staff poorly than well! "
Based on what data exactly? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My Thursday rant is about employers thinking they're God.
I've a nicely written CV and covering letters, approved by a bloke on a course I went on. Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff.
The only thing I can think of, is no one is getting back because I've been on the dole for a long time.
Also yesterday I walked into the job center and saw a load of posters for 18-24 year olds. Sod them!!! What about us long term unemployed?
What about retraining, I hear you say? Not possible these days as it interferes with you actively seeking work. From yesterday, I now have to spend 5 hours looking for jobs and apply for a minimum of 3 per day.
P.S. I'm not looking for sympathy, just wanted a right good moan. "
I got in touch with a few places about doing a apprentiships on £90 a week and was told don't waste your time applying they will only take on 16-18 year olds because the company has got to pay extra if your over that age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe you should spend less time on here during the day and get out and find a job if you are that concerned, I don't mean to bust your balls here but you are on these forums an awful lot during the day and if you really want work you need to up your game."
You read my mind.
Also, if there are no jobs in your area, why not look further afield and consider moving? |
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"I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak!
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere!
Yet another sweeping statement about employers...
No it was definately not, more employers treat their staff poorly than well!
Based on what data exactly?"
What data does it have to be to POST on here? If you pick at MY posts don't expect ME to do the work for you!  |
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"I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak!
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere!
Yet another sweeping statement about employers...
No it was definately not, more employers treat their staff poorly than well!
Based on what data exactly?
What data does it have to be to POST on here? If you pick at MY posts don't expect ME to do the work for you! "
You stated that employers no longer give their workers proper lunch or tea breaks, that's a massive generalisation to make and if it's based on your own personal experience it hardly makes it common practice...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Perhaps the attitude that you volunteering was just to make it look like you cared comes across. As the lady said you are on here a lot as well as watching your Sky Sports as per another of your forum exploits. There are so many people who really want a job, finding someone who is keen and genuinely interested is not difficult. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree with the poster who said every cv should be personalised, show the employer you know what the job you are asking for entails.
Slightly awkward question, are you applying for the right jobs? Its no good applying for something your just qualified for, maybe try going down a level and working your way back up. I know this isnt very specific to alot of careers but if you have management skills, try going for a non management position and tell them you want ro work your way back up in their sector learning the whole job on the way. Impressing them with humbleness and your drive and motivation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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OP I have no idea why you keep posting stuff like this.
I've got an expression...
"Don't show all your cards".
Some things are best kept to yourself..not having a go..just commenting.
That being said, ya can have my job!
Naaah, you can't actually cos I fucking love it! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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There's no question there are (and always have been) bad employers out there and it's also obvious there are poor employees out there (always have been) but at a time of high unemployment and restrained wages, employers have the upper hand.
They should enjoy it while it lasts. It won't always be so. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I agree with the poster who said every cv should be personalised, show the employer you know what the job you are asking for entails.
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......... and that you've at least read the advert. You'd be surprised how many don't. |
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It's a tough time to be unemployed to be fair. Thankfully I have only been unemployed once since I left school. At that time I found the job centre no help at all as they stopped me from applying for jobs because I hadn't been unemployed for longer than six months. I found a job without their assistance in the end. |
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Hardly a week goes by where I don't have at least Two or Three people knocking the door of my little industrial unit looking for work, I always treat them with respect and take their details.
The fact that they have got off their arse and are out actively looking for work rather than sitting indoors browsing jobs websites doesn't go unrecognised by not only myself, but many other small business owners.
If I needed work I would personally be pacing the industrial estates and high streets looking for employment. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
For those who might be inclined - branches of the Royal Navy are still recruiting. Jobs, apprenticeships, careers, travel (for some!) a girl in every port (for some!), rum, bum and concertina (for others!).
I can't post a url but they're easy to find online or in a number of High Streets. |
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over a year ago
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With your post recently describing when you worked in customer service, I do wonder if you are actually coming across like that to potential employers and if you genuinely want a job.
Also the amount you moan about the hoops you have to jump through to find a job. Applying for three jobs a day I would see as a minimum for anyone seriously looking for work, are you just applying for the minimum or actually applying for more the 3 a day?
I'm sure you don't mean to but you are coming across as someone that is expecting a job to be handed to you on a silver platter without putting any effort in and for the employer to be grateful.
I'm lucky, I've never been unemployed so don't really understand the difficulties but I know if I was unemployed I wouldn't be spending all my time on Fab moaning about it.
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The only way the government can get long term unemployed people back to work is by providing real training courses (not Micky mouse ones that require a full apprenticeships at the end) in areas where we have skills shortages.
As for job hunting, I feel for people that have to spend set time looking for jobs that more than likely don't exist
It seems like successive governments seem hell bent on demonising the unemployed especially those over a certain age. Yes their are people out there that don't want to work but they are very much in the minority; not that you would think that based on what the press report and recent tv shows
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With your post recently describing when you worked in customer service, I do wonder if you are actually coming across like that to potential employers and if you genuinely want a job.
Also the amount you moan about the hoops you have to jump through to find a job. Applying for three jobs a day I would see as a minimum for anyone seriously looking for work, are you just applying for the minimum or actually applying for more the 3 a day?
I'm sure you don't mean to but you are coming across as someone that is expecting a job to be handed to you on a silver platter without putting any effort in and for the employer to be grateful.
I'm lucky, I've never been unemployed so don't really understand the difficulties but I know if I was unemployed I wouldn't be spending all my time on Fab moaning about it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its a numbers game. The more you apply for the higher your chances are of getting a job..its all about finding the right one. Who knows, it may be just round the corner 
Good luck for the future, wish you all the very best in your search. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Job centre plus will put you on a forklift NVQ "
Which is pointless doing in my opinion. I finished mine in November last year and the same jobs are advertised now that we're advertised in November. The amount of jobs that are just repeatedly posted on the job sites that don't actually exist is ridiculous. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Try writing/emailing back the ones you haven't heard from and ask them why your cv & covering letter didn't appeal to them. You may get some useful tips, or at least jog them into responding properly. |
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"The only way the government can get long term unemployed people back to work is by providing real training courses (not Micky mouse ones that require a full apprenticeships at the end) in areas where we have skills shortages.
As for job hunting, I feel for people that have to spend set time looking for jobs that more than likely don't exist
It seems like successive governments seem hell bent on demonising the unemployed especially those over a certain age. Yes their are people out there that don't want to work but they are very much in the minority; not that you would think that based on what the press report and recent tv shows
Rant over"
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At my place of work we have people coming in every week bringing C.V.'s or phoning to see if we have any vacancies.
Just yesterday 2 young lads dropped their C.V.'s off to me. The first looking scruffy in jeans and a tee, attitude as he handed his C.V. to me was indifferent to say the least. The second lad, suited and booted despite the warm weather, handed a well typed C.V. in an envelope, introduced himself, and was really chatty. Guess which one we're interviewing?
It's not just about the C.V., it's about the attitude too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Really have to agree with what a few have already said on here. Get off the net and go looking for work. You say you have a job site open and this so neither would be getting your full attention. Go round local building sites factory's shops drop off your cv and contact details, even if they don't have a vacancy at the time. |
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"I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak!
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere!
Yet another sweeping statement about employers...
No it was definitely not, more employers treat their staff poorly than well!
Based on what data exactly?
What data does it have to be to POST on here? If you pick at MY posts don't expect ME to do the work for you!
You stated that employers no longer give their workers proper lunch or tea breaks, that's a massive generalisation to make and if it's based on your own personal experience it hardly makes it common practice......"
I WAS generalising, its what you do when your talk of lots of groups that are similar but not excactly the same!
Still true, and I also WON'T google some silly stats as pass them off as facts either |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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You stated that employers no longer give their workers proper lunch or tea breaks, that's a massive generalisation to make and if it's based on your own personal experience it hardly makes it common practice......"
I'm certain SOME employers treat SOME workers like this but I suspect the worst culprits are the employers who recruit illegals, pay them peanuts and generally treat them like slaves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Fact 1979 to 1997 tiries in power record unemployment especially the young affected just like today. Employees had zero rights a deliberate ruse by tories today same is happening just look at zero hour contracts.
Despite labours undoubted failures a masdive thing they did when the banks etc fucked us all over was to ensure 16 or 18 to twenty four yr olds had to go on training and given a 6 month guaranteed job az employers were given tax breaks etc to give incentive to them.
What we have now is risk of another lost geration of kids never having proper chance of employnent because the government scrapoed tge guaranteed job scheme simply because labour brought it in because it has bern replaced with nothing.
Youth in my view need to be given help to get start on working ladder more than mysekf i bekieve.
All thats happenening is folk are beingput on courses and moved around to manipulate the figures without realistically reducing unemployent medium to long term. Yes unemployment figures have reduced but thisvis a mirage due to rwasons covered.
We all will have read about cases of big time fiddling of system but as a percentage of unemployed folk is minute.
Remember the mps or lot who say unemployed are lazy or moan that system needs reform will have been fiddling expenses systen so how are they better than benefit scroungers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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. . .Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff. . .
This line says it all for me, in my opinion your a waster. You don't have any ambition, energy or drive within you and you simply don't care.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are jobs to be had in social care, personal carers, cleaners, contact centres.. B and q actively recruit adults not school leavers...
Youhave to stop hanging on to what you've done in past if there are np.options locally and package yourself with what U can do.
What would U actually like to do? |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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It is, and has been since the 1980s, been deliberate Tory policy of having high unemployment. They have expressly said just this.
It give business power and, in their way of thinking, a competitive edge, to have this surplus workforce as it drives down wages and can be used to reduce workers' rights. It has always been thus in the Capitalist-loving Tory thinking.
So, when we ended up with millions more on the dole in the 1980s under Tories (more than under Labour in the 1970s) what the actual result was a burgeoning underclass of unemployed. We are now reaping the benefits of the imposed benefit culture three decades on where generations of the same families have never worked and now see no reason to. |
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By *stwoCouple
over a year ago
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How about us employers who are fed up listening to moans from the unemployed but when we advertise for staff they moan about having to work evenings and weekends and when they do come in they think its unfair of us to tellt hey cant use their mobile phones whilst at work.Moan over from the other side |
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I always think it is hard to judge if you have never been in that situation. I haven't and am grateful.
At the same time I don't think it is all down to luck etc but effort also. In my first 'proper' job I was noticed because I had set up a local professional group in my own time. Since then only been with one other employer and off my own back I've completed a degree whilst working full time.
Its not just a case of working hard to get a job but also working hard whilst you have a job. In my opinion people who complain when they are asked to do extra are going wrong. If you do it irrespective of whether it is paid your employer will notice. Then you will find out whether they are good, bad or indifferent
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By (user no longer on site)
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"@ Julie - I wouldn't mind if they got back to you with feedback. "you didn't have the right skills" or "Your CV is Crap".
@gator - Since predictive text took over lol"
can you imagine how many CVs drop through the post box everyday, it's just not possible to write to every application, they would normally leave the replying to those chosen for interviews |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I always think it is hard to judge if you have never been in that situation. I haven't and am grateful.
At the same time I don't think it is all down to luck etc but effort also. In my first 'proper' job I was noticed because I had set up a local professional group in my own time. Since then only been with one other employer and off my own back I've completed a degree whilst working full time.
Its not just a case of working hard to get a job but also working hard whilst you have a job. In my opinion people who complain when they are asked to do extra are going wrong. If you do it irrespective of whether it is paid your employer will notice. Then you will find out whether they are good, bad or indifferent
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My daughter worked for her last employer for 8 years - often did overtime and regularly was awarded bonuses for her hard work. She also took on an OU degree which she is near completing.
This company has now made her redundant - the jobs were being sent to India. The company even had the nerve to fly the Indians here for those being made redundant to train!! My daughter utterly refused to do so - and she was entitled to do that since it was not in her contract to train herself out of a job!
She has been applying for jobs for a couple of months now - had one interview at which she was not successful so it looks like, for the first time in her life, she will have to sign on. Today she is spending time sorting out her finances, and applying for more jobs.
Not all employers play fair. And there are far fewer protections for employees now than there used to be. |
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" . . .Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff. . .
This line says it all for me, in my opinion your a waster. You don't have any ambition, energy or drive within you and you simply don't care.
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Was thinking along the same lines, but not as hard |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I always think it is hard to judge if you have never been in that situation. I haven't and am grateful.
At the same time I don't think it is all down to luck etc but effort also. In my first 'proper' job I was noticed because I had set up a local professional group in my own time. Since then only been with one other employer and off my own back I've completed a degree whilst working full time.
Its not just a case of working hard to get a job but also working hard whilst you have a job. In my opinion people who complain when they are asked to do extra are going wrong. If you do it irrespective of whether it is paid your employer will notice. Then you will find out whether they are good, bad or indifferent
My daughter worked for her last employer for 8 years - often did overtime and regularly was awarded bonuses for her hard work. She also took on an OU degree which she is near completing.
This company has now made her redundant - the jobs were being sent to India. The company even had the nerve to fly the Indians here for those being made redundant to train!! My daughter utterly refused to do so - and she was entitled to do that since it was not in her contract to train herself out of a job!
She has been applying for jobs for a couple of months now - had one interview at which she was not successful so it looks like, for the first time in her life, she will have to sign on. Today she is spending time sorting out her finances, and applying for more jobs.
Not all employers play fair. And there are far fewer protections for employees now than there used to be. "
I agree that you cannot band all in the same category. I do think on the whole though the extra effort gets you noticed.
I am sorry to hear about your daughter. I'm quite fortunate in that in my line of work a cheaper labour force isnt quite possible. Well at least not from another country! |
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" . . .Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff. . .
This line says it all for me, in my opinion your a waster. You don't have any ambition, energy or drive within you and you simply don't care.
Was thinking along the same lines, but not as hard "
Hang on a minute many of us have done some volunteer stuff along the way. Many of us also admittedly did it to further our prospects. How does that make you a waster? |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I always think it is hard to judge if you have never been in that situation. I haven't and am grateful.
At the same time I don't think it is all down to luck etc but effort also. In my first 'proper' job I was noticed because I had set up a local professional group in my own time. Since then only been with one other employer and off my own back I've completed a degree whilst working full time.
Its not just a case of working hard to get a job but also working hard whilst you have a job. In my opinion people who complain when they are asked to do extra are going wrong. If you do it irrespective of whether it is paid your employer will notice. Then you will find out whether they are good, bad or indifferent
My daughter worked for her last employer for 8 years - often did overtime and regularly was awarded bonuses for her hard work. She also took on an OU degree which she is near completing.
This company has now made her redundant - the jobs were being sent to India. The company even had the nerve to fly the Indians here for those being made redundant to train!! My daughter utterly refused to do so - and she was entitled to do that since it was not in her contract to train herself out of a job!
She has been applying for jobs for a couple of months now - had one interview at which she was not successful so it looks like, for the first time in her life, she will have to sign on. Today she is spending time sorting out her finances, and applying for more jobs.
Not all employers play fair. And there are far fewer protections for employees now than there used to be.
I agree that you cannot band all in the same category. I do think on the whole though the extra effort gets you noticed.
I am sorry to hear about your daughter. I'm quite fortunate in that in my line of work a cheaper labour force isnt quite possible. Well at least not from another country!"
It wouldn't be so bad if her employer before that did exactly the same thing. She was made redundant from British Gas and her job there went to India. The irony is that now they are bringing the jobs back and she has applied for one - even though it kind of sticks in the craw after the way they treated her. She was lucky last time though, as she finished on the Friday and already had the new job to start on the Monday.
Not so lucky this time. But twice to be made redundant for her job to go to India? Who says lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice? |
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"I always think it is hard to judge if you have never been in that situation. I haven't and am grateful.
At the same time I don't think it is all down to luck etc but effort also. In my first 'proper' job I was noticed because I had set up a local professional group in my own time. Since then only been with one other employer and off my own back I've completed a degree whilst working full time.
Its not just a case of working hard to get a job but also working hard whilst you have a job. In my opinion people who complain when they are asked to do extra are going wrong. If you do it irrespective of whether it is paid your employer will notice. Then you will find out whether they are good, bad or indifferent
My daughter worked for her last employer for 8 years - often did overtime and regularly was awarded bonuses for her hard work. She also took on an OU degree which she is near completing.
This company has now made her redundant - the jobs were being sent to India. The company even had the nerve to fly the Indians here for those being made redundant to train!! My daughter utterly refused to do so - and she was entitled to do that since it was not in her contract to train herself out of a job!
She has been applying for jobs for a couple of months now - had one interview at which she was not successful so it looks like, for the first time in her life, she will have to sign on. Today she is spending time sorting out her finances, and applying for more jobs.
Not all employers play fair. And there are far fewer protections for employees now than there used to be.
I agree that you cannot band all in the same category. I do think on the whole though the extra effort gets you noticed.
I am sorry to hear about your daughter. I'm quite fortunate in that in my line of work a cheaper labour force isnt quite possible. Well at least not from another country!
It wouldn't be so bad if her employer before that did exactly the same thing. She was made redundant from British Gas and her job there went to India. The irony is that now they are bringing the jobs back and she has applied for one - even though it kind of sticks in the craw after the way they treated her. She was lucky last time though, as she finished on the Friday and already had the new job to start on the Monday.
Not so lucky this time. But twice to be made redundant for her job to go to India? Who says lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice?"
you are right though in that a lot of work is coming back from foreign countries.
I did some work in the Philippines last year and was told a lot of the job centres are going there whether from India or the UK. cheap labour force and good grasp of English (apparently) |
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" . . .Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff. . .
This line says it all for me, in my opinion your a waster. You don't have any ambition, energy or drive within you and you simply don't care.
Was thinking along the same lines, but not as hard
Hang on a minute many of us have done some volunteer stuff along the way. Many of us also admittedly did it to further our prospects. How does that make you a waster?"
It's the tone of the post and in particular that line that to says this guy doesn't give two hoots. I'm an employer and I wouldn't like to be asking this guy to stay back on Friday evening that stuff needs to be done. What about 'I will pick you up at 5.30 in the morning' I don't think so. |
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"My Thursday rant is about employers thinking they're God.
I've a nicely written CV and covering letters, approved by a bloke on a course I went on. Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff.
The only thing I can think of, is no one is getting back because I've been on the dole for a long time.
Also yesterday I walked into the job center and saw a load of posters for 18-24 year olds. Sod them!!! What about us long term unemployed?
What about retraining, I hear you say? Not possible these days as it interferes with you actively seeking work. From yesterday, I now have to spend 5 hours looking for jobs and apply for a minimum of 3 per day.
P.S. I'm not looking for sympathy, just wanted a right good moan. "
I've been unemployed for several years - since the torries got back in its been tough
but now theres is a light ahead
as i got a part time job which I'm happy doing till i get into full time
also on top of this am looking for new place since this stupid bedroom tax
best way for you is get a part time job forget bout f/t or do volunteer - it looks better on your cv
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Can remember a few years back interviewing for drivers, going off their CV,a we choose 6 to be interviewed
1, 1st on never turned up
2, 2 nd turned up but could not produce a his driving licence and could not understand when I explained if he can't produce his licence it was not worth continuing the interview, his reply well I drove here today.
3, the rest turned up wearing fucking tracksuits, I could not believe how ppl can turn up like that.
So it was back to the application process again
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" . . .Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff. . .
This line says it all for me, in my opinion your a waster. You don't have any ambition, energy or drive within you and you simply don't care.
Was thinking along the same lines, but not as hard
Hang on a minute many of us have done some volunteer stuff along the way. Many of us also admittedly did it to further our prospects. How does that make you a waster?"
it the way he said, as if he only said that to make employers think he cared, when the truth is he does not give a fook |
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"I am finding that employers no longer value their staff in the way should, they don't give proper lunch or tea breaks, shifts are cut up all over the place, in some cases the managers and supervisors even feel they have the right to tell people when they can speak!
I think there's a general LACK of respect and its not just in the workplace...i'ts everywhere!
Yet another sweeping statement about employers...
No it was definately not, more employers treat their staff poorly than well!
Based on what data exactly?
What data does it have to be to POST on here? If you pick at MY posts don't expect ME to do the work for you! "
It is quite normal on forums for people making claims as to certain things to provide citations, to show that they are not making it up out of thin air. If you had said 'my employers' it wouldn't generally need 'proof' but as you're saying employers, which can be taken as more than just your employers you could/should provide citations to back up your 'fact' else it is just hearsay. You know where you got your facts from, we don't. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"............to back up your 'fact' else it is just hearsay. You know where you got your facts from, we don't."
In fairness, you could provide some forumites with a death certificate, duly signed and witnessed, and they would still doubt its authenticity if it didn't suit their case. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"............to back up your 'fact' else it is just hearsay. You know where you got your facts from, we don't.
In fairness, you could provide some forumites with a death certificate, duly signed and witnessed, and they would still doubt its authenticity if it didn't suit their case. "
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Doesn't make them true, or even real, makes people kinda stupid for thinking any evidence, fact or document, is anything other than opinion. It DOES always come down to one persons opinion, and mine is more relevant to ME! |
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"Can remember a few years back interviewing for drivers, going off their CV,a we choose 6 to be interviewed
1, 1st on never turned up
2, 2 nd turned up but could not produce a his driving licence and could not understand when I explained if he can't produce his licence it was not worth continuing the interview, his reply well I drove here today.
3, the rest turned up wearing fucking tracksuits, I could not believe how ppl can turn up like that.
So it was back to the application process again
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2nd one is great! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"There's a saying I like to believe is quite true and in my experience is....
A good man will never be out of work!
Not so true these days, unfortunately."
True. No longer the case.
My late Father was often unemployed for a couple of hours on a Friday afternoon when one ship sailed or an engine was finished.
An hour in one of the Clydeside pubs, despite the fact he was a teetotaler, and he'd have a start for Monday morning. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Schools now actually train students for interview techniques - well they always did. But now it is more detailed as in what to wear (how do they not know?), how to sit, how to walk in, how to speak. Basics I learnt from my parents. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"There's a saying I like to believe is quite true and in my experience is....
A good man will never be out of work!
Not so true these days, unfortunately.
True. No longer the case.
My late Father was often unemployed for a couple of hours on a Friday afternoon when one ship sailed or an engine was finished.
An hour in one of the Clydeside pubs, despite the fact he was a teetotaler, and he'd have a start for Monday morning."
And the loss of jobs is actually statistically hitting more women as they traditionally do those part time, flexible hours which men tend not to do and which are the first kinds of jobs to be sacrificed. |
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"There's a saying I like to believe is quite true and in my experience is....
A good man will never be out of work!
Not so true these days, unfortunately."
Very true myself and a number of close friends have been made redundant in the last 2yrs I used the chance to become self employed now due to the current economic climate Ive started looking for work. Because I don't care what I do got an interview within a week of looking now just waiting to hear if I got the job. Yes I'm way over qualified and yes I have never worked in the industry before but I sent a damn good cv and cover letter which got me the chance to show them what im like as a person.Turned up early for interview in a clean suit with polished shoes. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"A jobs a job . If your not in a job you can't get a better job . Problem is its too easy in this country not to work !! Toooo many handouts !!!!!"
Not so - my daughter has never been unemployed in her life. She is applying for everything and anything right now - her job only ended yesterday. She really does not want to sign on at all but may have no choice. JSA is £72 per week. I would hardly call that a princely sum. She is doubtful she could actually live on that - but is fortunate in that she knows I will help her out if she needs it. Not everyone is so lucky. |
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"There's loads of poorly paid jobs out there if you look hard enough "
We have a minimum wage and if your working you are still entitled to benefits. Better to have a job than no job or self respect. Again a low end job can lead to better things |
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over a year ago
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"There's loads of poorly paid jobs out there if you look hard enough
We have a minimum wage and if your working you are still entitled to benefits. Better to have a job than no job or self respect. Again a low end job can lead to better things"
I don't disagree but it is really not as easy as people imagine. My daughter is not in the least work shy, has a good education, and very good work record, never been unemployed and has had no luck for months since she discovered she was about to be made redundant. And she is applying for everything in every field she can. It is not so black and white. |
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"There's loads of poorly paid jobs out there if you look hard enough
We have a minimum wage and if your working you are still entitled to benefits. Better to have a job than no job or self respect. Again a low end job can lead to better things
I don't disagree but it is really not as easy as people imagine. My daughter is not in the least work shy, has a good education, and very good work record, never been unemployed and has had no luck for months since she discovered she was about to be made redundant. And she is applying for everything in every field she can. It is not so black and white."
But it is to those who don't have to live it every day! |
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"There's loads of poorly paid jobs out there if you look hard enough
We have a minimum wage and if your working you are still entitled to benefits. Better to have a job than no job or self respect. Again a low end job can lead to better things
I don't disagree but it is really not as easy as people imagine. My daughter is not in the least work shy, has a good education, and very good work record, never been unemployed and has had no luck for months since she discovered she was about to be made redundant. And she is applying for everything in every field she can. It is not so black and white."
Obviously I cannot comment in relation to your daughter and can only go off personal experience. I just pray I never need to sign on |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"There's loads of poorly paid jobs out there if you look hard enough
We have a minimum wage and if your working you are still entitled to benefits. Better to have a job than no job or self respect. Again a low end job can lead to better things"
I've commented above about illegals. Working at below NMW, illegal hours, few breaks, no health and safety, no benefits when it goes tits up or you drown in Morecambe Bay and so on. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"There's loads of poorly paid jobs out there if you look hard enough
We have a minimum wage and if your working you are still entitled to benefits. Better to have a job than no job or self respect. Again a low end job can lead to better things
I don't disagree but it is really not as easy as people imagine. My daughter is not in the least work shy, has a good education, and very good work record, never been unemployed and has had no luck for months since she discovered she was about to be made redundant. And she is applying for everything in every field she can. It is not so black and white.
Obviously I cannot comment in relation to your daughter and can only go off personal experience. I just pray I never need to sign on"
As do we all. The idea of signing on makes me feel ill and I know she feels like that too. |
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"With your post recently describing when you worked in customer service, I do wonder if you are actually coming across like that to potential employers and if you genuinely want a job.
Also the amount you moan about the hoops you have to jump through to find a job. Applying for three jobs a day I would see as a minimum for anyone seriously looking for work, are you just applying for the minimum or actually applying for more the 3 a day?
I'm sure you don't mean to but you are coming across as someone that is expecting a job to be handed to you on a silver platter without putting any effort in and for the employer to be grateful.
I'm lucky, I've never been unemployed so don't really understand the difficulties but I know if I was unemployed I wouldn't be spending all my time on Fab moaning about it.
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"I always think it is hard to judge if you have never been in that situation. I haven't and am grateful.
At the same time I don't think it is all down to luck etc but effort also. In my first 'proper' job I was noticed because I had set up a local professional group in my own time. Since then only been with one other employer and off my own back I've completed a degree whilst working full time.
Its not just a case of working hard to get a job but also working hard whilst you have a job. In my opinion people who complain when they are asked to do extra are going wrong. If you do it irrespective of whether it is paid your employer will notice. Then you will find out whether they are good, bad or indifferent
My daughter worked for her last employer for 8 years - often did overtime and regularly was awarded bonuses for her hard work. She also took on an OU degree which she is near completing.
This company has now made her redundant - the jobs were being sent to India. The company even had the nerve to fly the Indians here for those being made redundant to train!! My daughter utterly refused to do so - and she was entitled to do that since it was not in her contract to train herself out of a job!
She has been applying for jobs for a couple of months now - had one interview at which she was not successful so it looks like, for the first time in her life, she will have to sign on. Today she is spending time sorting out her finances, and applying for more jobs.
Not all employers play fair. And there are far fewer protections for employees now than there used to be. "
Unfortunately it will get worst as the government, with the backing of Joe Public, seek to destroy the trade unions.
We reap what we sow. |
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"I always think it is hard to judge if you have never been in that situation. I haven't and am grateful.
At the same time I don't think it is all down to luck etc but effort also. In my first 'proper' job I was noticed because I had set up a local professional group in my own time. Since then only been with one other employer and off my own back I've completed a degree whilst working full time.
Its not just a case of working hard to get a job but also working hard whilst you have a job. In my opinion people who complain when they are asked to do extra are going wrong. If you do it irrespective of whether it is paid your employer will notice. Then you will find out whether they are good, bad or indifferent
My daughter worked for her last employer for 8 years - often did overtime and regularly was awarded bonuses for her hard work. She also took on an OU degree which she is near completing.
This company has now made her redundant - the jobs were being sent to India. The company even had the nerve to fly the Indians here for those being made redundant to train!! My daughter utterly refused to do so - and she was entitled to do that since it was not in her contract to train herself out of a job!
She has been applying for jobs for a couple of months now - had one interview at which she was not successful so it looks like, for the first time in her life, she will have to sign on. Today she is spending time sorting out her finances, and applying for more jobs.
Not all employers play fair. And there are far fewer protections for employees now than there used to be.
Unfortunately it will get worst as the government, with the backing of Joe Public, seek to destroy the trade unions.
We reap what we sow."
Yes and attack all on benefits including those disabled. Because we all know they're all fecking worthless layabouts. |
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"Can remember a few years back interviewing for drivers, going off their CV,a we choose 6 to be interviewed
1, 1st on never turned up
2, 2 nd turned up but could not produce a his driving licence and could not understand when I explained if he can't produce his licence it was not worth continuing the interview, his reply well I drove here today.
3, the rest turned up wearing fucking tracksuits, I could not believe how ppl can turn up like that.
So it was back to the application process again
2nd one is great!"
There is a DVLA number you can phone to check out someone's licence, if they cannot provide it to you for whatever reason, (might have been sent for change address etc) person who you enquiring about has to be present when you phone them, as they will ask them some details, and confirm that's its ok for them to give the info,
I also employ drivers and have done this a couple of times |
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"Can remember a few years back interviewing for drivers, going off their CV,a we choose 6 to be interviewed
1, 1st on never turned up
2, 2 nd turned up but could not produce a his driving licence and could not understand when I explained if he can't produce his licence it was not worth continuing the interview, his reply well I drove here today.
3, the rest turned up wearing fucking tracksuits, I could not believe how ppl can turn up like that.
So it was back to the application process again
2nd one is great!
There is a DVLA number you can phone to check out someone's licence, if they cannot provide it to you for whatever reason, (might have been sent for change address etc) person who you enquiring about has to be present when you phone them, as they will ask them some details, and confirm that's its ok for them to give the info,
I also employ drivers and have done this a couple of times"
he was present, i was interviewing him, but he could not give me a reason why it it was at the DVLA, and to be honest he should have all the available information to hand when he attends for an interview, its not my responsibility to go ringing the DVLA, he knew he was coming for an interview well in advance |
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Have to say the couple of times I did phone them, the candidates phoned me, explained the situation, and asked if I would mind using that method, as they were both ideal for the jobs, and this was the only barrier to me employing them, I was quite happy to do so, with the caveat, they provided me with the physical licence within 4 weeks, of starting work, both of them still work for me and are doing an excellent job. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"also note if yer long term unemployed maybe its time to move to another area to get work"
If you can afford to move. What about children? Finding new schools, buying new uniforms. And then there's a lack of a support network. Women often rely on family for child care. That would disappear and then they'd have to shell out for costly childcare placrs |
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"also note if yer long term unemployed maybe its time to move to another area to get work
If you can afford to move. What about children? Finding new schools, buying new uniforms. And then there's a lack of a support network. Women often rely on family for child care. That would disappear and then they'd have to shell out for costly childcare placrs"
you still get help fae the government for that dont you |
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"Have to say the couple of times I did phone them, the candidates phoned me, explained the situation, and asked if I would mind using that method, as they were both ideal for the jobs, and this was the only barrier to me employing them, I was quite happy to do so, with the caveat, they provided me with the physical licence within 4 weeks, of starting work, both of them still work for me and are doing an excellent job."
yes so they took the time to inform you not just turn up, you can live with that
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"also note if yer long term unemployed maybe its time to move to another area to get work
If you can afford to move. What about children? Finding new schools, buying new uniforms. And then there's a lack of a support network. Women often rely on family for child care. That would disappear and then they'd have to shell out for costly childcare placrsyou still get help fae the government for that dont you"
No. They've closed all the Sure Start centres. It was one of the first things they did when they got in power. |
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"also note if yer long term unemployed maybe its time to move to another area to get work
If you can afford to move. What about children? Finding new schools, buying new uniforms. And then there's a lack of a support network. Women often rely on family for child care. That would disappear and then they'd have to shell out for costly childcare placrsyou still get help fae the government for that dont you"
its not always possible just to up sticks and move to another area to find work, however if you are offered a job in another area that diff, you can't expect ppl to just up sticks and find somewhere to live, that before they have to try and find a job |
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I never understand how people can be out of work for months on end, are they just being picky in the jobs they wish to take?
both my kids have jobs, my eldest goes to uni full time and work part time in the local Tesco, my middle daughter is at collage and works part time in a care home, both of them got job within weeks of leaving school at 18, if a 18 year old kid can get a job within a few weeks of looking how comes older people who have had experience in working in the past cant, you would have though a employee would sooner have someone with some life experience than a school leaver
That's not a dig I just don't get home some people are out of work for years while other seem to leave one job and get another pretty much straight away
I think it boils down to what your willing to take, some unemployed people think they are above certain jobs that are on offer |
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SNIP
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approved by a bloke on a course I went on.
Did some volunteering work to make it look like I care about stuff.
The only thing I can think of, is no one is getting back because I've been on the dole for a long time.
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SNIP
Have you considered your attitude?
*Her* |
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"Th op hasn't bothered to comment...
Says it all....
The OP is not online "
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Has been on for a lot today...
Plenty people have given sensible advice...
Nope not a word from the guy |
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