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By *adchick OP Couple
over a year ago
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"We could argue this till the cows come home and not one of us will have all the answers.
My only hope in all this is...
Parents should now be held somewhat responsible for their childrens actions and be punished along with said kids.
And that said governments start listening to the masses when it comes to sentencing criminals.
I know....its a dream but we have to have our dreams dont we.......
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I echo every sentiment in that sensible post........
but just to add, lets hope that the authorities listen when they get a cry for help in the future. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the law in scotland is different to england but its normally when there is deemed a risk to either the child or others and by risk it means either physically emotionally etc. i know here a teacher or concerned person can report to social services and it has got to be investigated xx |
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"when do the Social services normally intervene?"
I very much doubt there is any underwritten rule at what stage they must intervene, we have many, many cases where children “at risk” have lost their lives, no organisation / agency seems to learn from the previous tragedy  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"when do the Social services normally intervene?
I very much doubt there is any underwritten rule at what stage they must intervene, we have many, many cases where children “at risk” have lost their lives, no organisation / agency seems to learn from the previous tragedy "
I suppose they must have some reluctance to take kids away from their home and it looks like sometimes the timing they get wrong if they do decide.
BUT, they deal with lots of cases, so I suppose some must be successful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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removal is an absolute last resort but its a viscious circle really there are no foster places or spaces in homes so support is usually put in place and the childrens views taken into account with regards to age and possible risk etc but as i say its different up here except with the money issue xx |
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"I suppose some must be successful"
We never hear of the successful cases, hundreds of thousands of kids in care, not all come to any harm, some go onto lead very successful lives, shame the minority out way the majority, that's not excusing any of the recent tragedy's tho  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I read with distaste in the papers that their mother is allegedly going to counter-sue the social services for a large sum of money for failing to act sooner, if she is to be prosecuted for child cruelty and neglect!
The fecking cheek of it!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Cases like these will continue to occur until the human element in the decision making process of Social Services is removed altogether. Social workers possess the same emotions as everyone else and they differ from worker to worker. Some case workers are hardline, state supporters and others adopt a softer approach when it comes to dealing with families. Often, both types are misled by the families they are trying to help and wrong decisions are made, and that's how cases like this one are allowed to happen.
Who is to know when a definitive guide to intervening in the best interests of all parties will become standard practice for all Social Workers. Three child deaths from now? Four? Many many more?
More deaths will occur, that much is inevitable, but unless the specifics of each case are observed, studied and incorporated into ongoing social care for the future then nothing can be done to prevent needless deaths from happening.
The govt, nor social services could have known that the circumstances of the lives of these two children would manifest itself with such horrendous consequences. Although the signs were very visible that they were not being raised in an hospitable environment.
There is no long and short of it; if a Social Care Guide had been in place these two kids would have been intercepted long ago, but then other children would also have been intercepted unneccessarily perhaps. No system is failsafe and all we can do is deal with the fallout. The two victims in this case are fortunate in so much as that they are still alive and can heal - that is the only blessing in this tragic case.
As for the two children who perpetrated this horrific attack, well, who is to know how they will turn out in 20 years time. We won't know until that time is upon us and if they turn out to be decent human beings then the system has worked, if not, then we should learn from that and know that just maybe, in extreme cases, some people just cannot be saved nor rehabilitated. |
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