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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
My car developed a strange rattle yesterday. It sounds external, a sort of banging rattle. The tyres seem fine, the exhaust seems secure. The stuff in the boot is as it always is.
Today I noticed that the noise is there when I take my foot off the accelerator and not really present when I have my foot on the gas.
What do you think and how do I fix it? |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"What sort of car is it!?"
Grey 
It's a Nissan Micra, 8 years old with one indifferent owner. I have had it serviced every year (February) and I check the oil, water and tyres before a long journey. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is almost impossible to diagnose over the web, but at a guess I would say its probably a exhaust bracket or heat shield, pop it into a garage and they will put it on a ramp If you ask nicely and have a look, you can prob get away with just removing the loose bracket if that's what it is x |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"It is almost impossible to diagnose over the web, but at a guess I would say its probably a exhaust bracket or heat shield, pop it into a garage and they will put it on a ramp If you ask nicely and have a look, you can prob get away with just removing the loose bracket if that's what it is x"
That's the one where I have to pay money and they say things like squiggle bracket ball thingy needs replacing and that'll be £250 Miss.  |
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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago
In Your Bush |
"That's weird it's the opposite of what I would expect. Do you have breakdown cover?
I do but it hasn't broken down - it just rattles when it moves. No rattle on ticking over."
Check your policy. I've had them out before when it hasn't broken down. |
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Then it's definatly bottom ball joint, you need to take it to a garage and ask them to check it, It's not too hard a job, I had mine done two weeks ago and it sounded just like you are describing, xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How about anti rattle shims on your brake pads ?.
If your brake pads are worn and/or the anti rattle shims have fallen out you get a rattling sound whilst on the move . |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"How about anti rattle shims on your brake pads ?.
If your brake pads are worn and/or the anti rattle shims have fallen out you get a rattling sound whilst on the move ."
I had all new brake stuff with the service in February - it cost a fortune. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Then it's definatly bottom ball joint, you need to take it to a garage and ask them to check it, It's not too hard a job, I had mine done two weeks ago and it sounded just like you are describing, xx "
Thursdays job then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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had a tyre changed recently? a normal one for this when the noise goes under accelleration of brakes is wheel nuts have worked loose, when i apprenticed in a garage you wouldnt beleive how many came in complaining about the same thing, and its always the thing most overlooked |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If its just a rattle I can't see it being a ball joint. I would of thought it would be the heat shields above the cat as these can rattle like mad. If its not that loud check the cup that the front suspension springs sit in as some of the time the end can snap off the spring and rattle about in there. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"had a tyre changed recently? a normal one for this when the noise goes under accelleration of brakes is wheel nuts have worked loose, when i apprenticed in a garage you wouldnt beleive how many came in complaining about the same thing, and its always the thing most overlooked"
No recent tyre changes. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"If its just a rattle I can't see it being a ball joint. I would of thought it would be the heat shields above the cat as these can rattle like mad. If its not that loud check the cup that the front suspension springs sit in as some of the time the end can snap off the spring and rattle about in there. "
I'll give up now. I'll ask my sister and then take it to a person on Thursday. Or it might go away on it's own tomorrow... I can live in hope. |
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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago
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Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff.  |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff. "
Has it got ashtrays? What on earth are they for - no smoking allowed in my car! |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"That's the great thing about responses on these advice threads. So many variations its completely worthless. The peanut butter will be out in a minute  "
I don't have any peanut butter |
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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago
In Your Bush |
"That's the great thing about responses on these advice threads. So many variations its completely worthless. The peanut butter will be out in a minute
I don't have any peanut butter "
Your car does, that's the problem. Too much has been smeared on your front bush ! |
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"Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff. "
Disagree, the engine moves forward as soon as you take your foot off the throttle so could be an engine mount.
If its a metallic rattle then I'd go with exhaust heat shield. It's fine to remove it or resecure with self tapping screws. Could also be the brake shield and simply bent back into position.
If its knocking then it could be the wishbone arm bushes, drop links or anti-roll bar bushes.all these parts are generally consumable and cheap to replace.
Oh, does the car have an undertray?its also possible its caught on a speedbump and split.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff.
Disagree, the engine moves forward as soon as you take your foot off the throttle so could be an engine mount.
If its a metallic rattle then I'd go with exhaust heat shield. It's fine to remove it or resecure with self tapping screws. Could also be the brake shield and simply bent back into position.
If its knocking then it could be the wishbone arm bushes, drop links or anti-roll bar bushes.all these parts are generally consumable and cheap to replace.
Oh, does the car have an undertray?its also possible its caught on a speedbump and split.
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I think it does have an undertray. It's all sounding like underneath stuff so nothing I can deal with. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I know nothing about cars, but my sons girlfriend had a bit hang off the bottom of her Nissan Micra engine area, it was a metal tray like thing about two foot square......"
Thanks - I did look under to see if anything was hanging but I couldn't see anything. |
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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago
bellshill |
"Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff.
Disagree, the engine moves forward as soon as you take your foot off the throttle so could be an engine mount.
If its a metallic rattle then I'd go with exhaust heat shield. It's fine to remove it or resecure with self tapping screws. Could also be the brake shield and simply bent back into position.
If its knocking then it could be the wishbone arm bushes, drop links or anti-roll bar bushes.all these parts are generally consumable and cheap to replace.
Oh, does the car have an undertray?its also possible its caught on a speedbump and split.
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yep most of tat is probable ...except the Mounting ...it would just give one clunk when decellerating as it fall back into place ...it would not rattle...so it is related to something that is gyrating (going round and round) like wheels or drive systems.
I think we are only one post away from a full workshop manual.....hope you are still following all this bye the way and we are not wasting our unquestionable knowledge of things mechanical. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff.
Disagree, the engine moves forward as soon as you take your foot off the throttle so could be an engine mount.
If its a metallic rattle then I'd go with exhaust heat shield. It's fine to remove it or resecure with self tapping screws. Could also be the brake shield and simply bent back into position.
If its knocking then it could be the wishbone arm bushes, drop links or anti-roll bar bushes.all these parts are generally consumable and cheap to replace.
Oh, does the car have an undertray?its also possible its caught on a speedbump and split.
I think it does have an undertray. It's all sounding like underneath stuff so nothing I can deal with."
Possibly that. Similar thing happened to my dads car recently. First thing I checked was the heat shield, that was fine so I moved to the undertray. I discovered that there were stones on it rattling around while he was driving. I cleared them and it was fine....lol
They're common breakages given the number of speedbumps on British roads. My car now has an aluminum one due to the old plastic one breaking on a speedbump... |
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most obvious thing would be a ball joint or one of many rubber mounts on suspension or even an engine mount, it needs jacking up and have a pull on the front wheels see if you get any movement, have a hand on the top of the tyre and one on the bottom, try rocking the wheel up and down not side to side, if it has movement and rattles a bit you need a new ball joint, not an expensive job |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff.
Disagree, the engine moves forward as soon as you take your foot off the throttle so could be an engine mount.
If its a metallic rattle then I'd go with exhaust heat shield. It's fine to remove it or resecure with self tapping screws. Could also be the brake shield and simply bent back into position.
If its knocking then it could be the wishbone arm bushes, drop links or anti-roll bar bushes.all these parts are generally consumable and cheap to replace.
Oh, does the car have an undertray?its also possible its caught on a speedbump and split.
yep most of tat is probable ...except the Mounting ...it would just give one clunk when decellerating as it fall back into place ...it would not rattle...so it is related to something that is gyrating (going round and round) like wheels or drive systems.
I think we are only one post away from a full workshop manual.....hope you are still following all this bye the way and we are not wasting our unquestionable knowledge of things mechanical. "
Sharing knowledge is never a waste. Sharing skills and practical demonstrations may have more long term impact. |
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"most obvious thing would be a ball joint or one of many rubber mounts on suspension or even an engine mount, it needs jacking up and have a pull on the front wheels see if you get any movement, have a hand on the top of the tyre and one on the bottom, try rocking the wheel up and down not side to side, if it has movement and rattles a bit you need a new ball joint, not an expensive job "
That would knock, not rattle... |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"It is almost impossible to diagnose over the web, but at a guess I would say its probably a exhaust bracket or heat shield, pop it into a garage and they will put it on a ramp If you ask nicely and have a look, you can prob get away with just removing the loose bracket if that's what it is x"
I had this on mine and they just took it off for me ...the rattle was loud. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"It is almost impossible to diagnose over the web, but at a guess I would say its probably a exhaust bracket or heat shield, pop it into a garage and they will put it on a ramp If you ask nicely and have a look, you can prob get away with just removing the loose bracket if that's what it is x
I had this on mine and they just took it off for me ...the rattle was loud."
PS and didn't charge me  |
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By *azzaahhWoman
over a year ago
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"That's the great thing about responses on these advice threads. So many variations its completely worthless. The peanut butter will be out in a minute "
someone ask for peanut butter ???? !!!
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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago
bellshill |
"Given that it only happens when decellerating it is defo a suspension prob most likely front but on micra the trailing arm rear bushes would rattle when in idling mode...when power is on the pull is on so wear does not become evident.
You have obviously checked that the ash trays have been emptied and dash board polished and other important woman stuff.
Disagree, the engine moves forward as soon as you take your foot off the throttle so could be an engine mount.
If its a metallic rattle then I'd go with exhaust heat shield. It's fine to remove it or resecure with self tapping screws. Could also be the brake shield and simply bent back into position.
If its knocking then it could be the wishbone arm bushes, drop links or anti-roll bar bushes.all these parts are generally consumable and cheap to replace.
Oh, does the car have an undertray?its also possible its caught on a speedbump and split.
yep most of tat is probable ...except the Mounting ...it would just give one clunk when decellerating as it fall back into place ...it would not rattle...so it is related to something that is gyrating (going round and round) like wheels or drive systems.
I think we are only one post away from a full workshop manual.....hope you are still following all this bye the way and we are not wasting our unquestionable knowledge of things mechanical.
Sharing knowledge is never a waste. Sharing skills and practical demonstrations may have more long term impact."
You just want me to get my tools out and just do it for you...ehhh...ehhh ?? |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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Get yourself to a garage one of your friends or neighbors recommends or uses - less likely to rip you off, and ask them to listen and see if they can tell you what it is, drive them round the block to let them hear it - hopefully it's something simple
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By *lassic1Man
over a year ago
bellshill |
"most obvious thing would be a ball joint or one of many rubber mounts on suspension or even an engine mount, it needs jacking up and have a pull on the front wheels see if you get any movement, have a hand on the top of the tyre and one on the bottom, try rocking the wheel up and down not side to side, if it has movement and rattles a bit you need a new ball joint, not an expensive job
That would knock, not rattle..."
Dead right mate cos we know these things by nature/instinct. |
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"most obvious thing would be a ball joint or one of many rubber mounts on suspension or even an engine mount, it needs jacking up and have a pull on the front wheels see if you get any movement, have a hand on the top of the tyre and one on the bottom, try rocking the wheel up and down not side to side, if it has movement and rattles a bit you need a new ball joint, not an expensive job
That would knock, not rattle...
Dead right mate cos we know these things by nature/instinct."
I own an Alfa, I know what knackered suspension parts sound like!!!!! |
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"That's the great thing about responses on these advice threads. So many variations its completely worthless. The peanut butter will be out in a minute
someone ask for peanut butter ???? !!!
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not worthless some good suggestions made, maybe not much use if you don't all ready know a little bit about cars and are able to get under the car and start checking some of these things out |
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sounds like something that rattles when it moves so exhaust can be ruled out . you got tpoeliminate what it isnt ... sounds like something in the running gear is it coming from the front or the back |
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"sounds like something that rattles when it moves so exhaust can be ruled out . you got tpoeliminate what it isnt ... sounds like something in the running gear is it coming from the front or the back "
The exhaust heat shield WILL rattle when the car moves if its rotted round the mounting nuts. It's incredibly common. Running gear/suspension usually knocks, groans or squeaks, rarely does it rattle... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A rattle can be caused by the catalytic converter within the exhaust moving around inside its box, this can usually be resolved by pinching the housing at the edges to grip the cat, any garage should be able to do this for you .
Hope you get it sorted x |
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just to add another angle to this thread...and probably confuse the OP even more lol ...
if its a micra from around 2005 then it could be the timing chain has stretched which can give a rattle sort of noise  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Jeez! some proper random guesses!
without hearing it it's impossible to say what it is!
Just ask some friends, someone will know a bit about cars and have a look for you.
But it's not a ball joint, engine mount or wheel bearings if its a "rattle". |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
essex chelmsford |
theres an awful lot of wannabe mechanics above, fact is it could be a million things, of which altho trying to help guessing is not gonna help u really.
fact is u are gonna have to take it to a garage, and a decent one will look over it quickly for u, for free, to make sure it is safe and diagnose the rattle dont think u have a choice hun  |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
Thank you all... I've come back home and now I can't stop laughing at the responses.
The advice I have gleaned is:
1. Turn up the radio
2. Put on lipstick and an uplift bra
3. Take it to a garage
4. Hope it's something simple and cheap.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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if it's lose and shouldn't be then Gaffer tape is the answer, if it is tight and shouldn't be then WD40
rattles generally mean something is lose so You need Gaffer tape  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"most obvious thing would be a ball joint or one of many rubber mounts on suspension or even an engine mount, it needs jacking up and have a pull on the front wheels see if you get any movement, have a hand on the top of the tyre and one on the bottom, try rocking the wheel up and down not side to side, if it has movement and rattles a bit you need a new ball joint, not an expensive job
That would knock, not rattle...
Dead right mate cos we know these things by nature/instinct.
I own an Alfa, I know what knackered suspension parts sound like!!!!! "
The rattle on my last Alfa was traced to the 10p that my son had pushed into one of the door speakers |
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"if it's lose and shouldn't be then Gaffer tape is the answer, if it is tight and shouldn't be then WD40
rattles generally mean something is lose so You need Gaffer tape "
Forgot to say both can be best applied with a hammer |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"if it's lose and shouldn't be then Gaffer tape is the answer, if it is tight and shouldn't be then WD40
rattles generally mean something is lose so You need Gaffer tape
Forgot to say both can be best applied with a hammer "
Now, I know you're not supposed to hammer aerosol cans! |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge. |
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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago
In Your Bush |
"Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge."
Glad it's fixed
Who would have predicted it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge."
see i was right! seen it too many times
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge.see i was right! seen it too many times
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You were right! Well done. The garage said that we've had a bit of spate of people trying to steal tyres in the area. Lord alone knows why they would want mine. |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
essex chelmsford |
"Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge.see i was right! seen it too many times
You were right! Well done. The garage said that we've had a bit of spate of people trying to steal tyres in the area. Lord alone knows why they would want mine."
well done hun see i told you better be safe than sorry and a decent garage wouldnt charge you x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge."
Excellent news. I didn't think it was serious. Rattles rarely are. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge.see i was right! seen it too many times
You were right! Well done. The garage said that we've had a bit of spate of people trying to steal tyres in the area. Lord alone knows why they would want mine. well done hun see i told you better be safe than sorry and a decent garage wouldnt charge you x"
Yes, thank you. I was just a bit worried that they were all smoking but they even put the car back on the street so I didn't have to reverse it around the garage (which I can do, of course). |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
essex chelmsford |
"Thank you all. The forum rocks!
Armed with the useful words you all gave me I took the car in to a garage and the rattle, which became a knocking yesterday, has been fixed.
It was a wheel nut. It seems someone tried to pry it off.
No charge.see i was right! seen it too many times
You were right! Well done. The garage said that we've had a bit of spate of people trying to steal tyres in the area. Lord alone knows why they would want mine. well done hun see i told you better be safe than sorry and a decent garage wouldnt charge you x
Yes, thank you. I was just a bit worried that they were all smoking but they even put the car back on the street so I didn't have to reverse it around the garage (which I can do, of course)."
lol was in no doubt hun u could reverse lol glad its all sorted now xx |
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