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"Don't meet us simples I've often requested bareback option bring a search tool, that way all these non bare backers who frown upon it will stop winking or messaging us " This site supports world aids day and therefore encourages safe sex. So they won't have a bareback option | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... " Heartily agree with you. But you're banging your head against a brick wall. Just as that couple from Liverpool did, there will be a few more along in a bit blathering on about preferences and not questioning them. Normally I would, but my preference for a particular height or build isn't going to significantly raise the chances of killing someone or make them Ill. | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... Heartily agree with you. But you're banging your head against a brick wall. Just as that couple from Liverpool did, there will be a few more along in a bit blathering on about preferences and not questioning them. Normally I would, but my preference for a particular height or build isn't going to significantly raise the chances of killing someone or make them Ill. " . Been meaning to post about this for a while - warning strong opinion being expressed - sorry guys its fucked up !! Of course I understand the reason, I too hate wellies but wtf, surely the risk is not worth the reward ?? It's just as skanky as drug users sharing needles ! Bring on the haters | |||
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"Those that think that no bareback photos = no bareback play are pretty deluded... Take responsibility for your own safety.. and treat everyone else as if just been bare with half the site.. As to be fair most people don't admit it.. for instance I've noticed two bareback meet requests.. both from profiles screaming about safe sex only. I have gone bare.. will do again if I decide to.. but it's my choice.. " | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... Heartily agree with you. But you're banging your head against a brick wall. Just as that couple from Liverpool did, there will be a few more along in a bit blathering on about preferences and not questioning them. Normally I would, but my preference for a particular height or build isn't going to significantly raise the chances of killing someone or make them Ill. . Been meaning to post about this for a while - warning strong opinion being expressed - sorry guys its fucked up !! Of course I understand the reason, I too hate wellies but wtf, surely the risk is not worth the reward ?? It's just as skanky as drug users sharing needles ! Bring on the haters " if I choose to go bare it has nothing to do with hating condoms... Although sex with them is pretty lame and pointless almost.. but for me sex is not complete without being filled.. so when I choose to go bare it's because I crave satisfaction. I know the risks but do remember that oral has it's risks too and using condoms doesn't mean your safe... You still need regular testing. | |||
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"Can't y'all just live and let live?! Why are you concerned what anyone else is doing, do you and get on with your shit." Because this is a forum and people discuss things on it. Discussion usually involves opposing points of view. It doesn't mean we're particularly concerned just that we like to express our opinions. | |||
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"Can't y'all just live and let live?! Why are you concerned what anyone else is doing, do you and get on with your shit." Because we are coming in to close contact with these people at meets and clubs. If the roads were full of drink drivers would you say the same ? Surely our section of society is more likely to spread infection than those that don't share partners ?? Is there not an element of duty on our part to limit this ?? | |||
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"Can't y'all just live and let live?! Why are you concerned what anyone else is doing, do you and get on with your shit. Because we are coming in to close contact with these people at meets and clubs. If the roads were full of drink drivers would you say the same ? Surely our section of society is more likely to spread infection than those that don't share partners ?? Is there not an element of duty on our part to limit this ??" | |||
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"To me it's a bit like not wearing a seat belt, insisting that everyone else in the car doesn't wear a seat belt then driving the wrong way up a motorway. Certainly it is a choice that people are entitled to make and those that decide to get in the car under those conditions have every right to do so. But please don't ask me to condone it or even be indifferent to it, some free choices are still irresponsible just because we may make them doesn't mean we should." Worse still - you can see someone's not wearing a seat belt ! | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... " you are right there but tbh we don't know if they have been tested but it would put me off seeing someone who did that, I do bb with one person, we are both tested and only sleep with each other so why not hey? | |||
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"At the end of the say the only persons sexual health you have control over is your own. Nothing you say will stop people having bareback sex. In this day and age we all know the score. If people having pics of bareback on their profile bothers you, don't meet them. Moaning and bitching about how people won't get meets because they go bare isn't going to increase condom sales, it will just make people be more sneaky on their profiles. I say celebrate openness and honesty that allows you to make educated and informed decisions about wether or not you want to meet them. And as for swingers spreading disease. Out of all my friends, vanilla and swingers guess which ones have been to get checked the most! " | |||
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"For the 100th time... The more you make people pariahs for exercising their right to choose when, where and how they play, the more you will drive the practice underground and cause people to lie and cheat to get what they want. If people thought that they could be open about their preference without ostracisation, there would be far less people wanting to lie - then everyone would be able to make a polite, informed decision. Self aggrandising, chest beating, pious, holier-than-thou attitudes and a 'witch-hunt' mentality are RUINING the scene. People are becoming jaded because the perceive the scene as as littered with liars and cheats - and people who think they know better than anyone else - which they don't. ..and to all those self aggrandising folks who believe that they are better than any other practicing section of this lifestyle let me leave you with this thought. Theres a reason you keep swinging a secret pastime and don't tell your friends and family about it - because you don't want to be ostracised for what many view as deviant practices. So stop doing the same within the scene. Play how you want with others who want the same - lets us all exercise choice and be happy in our lifestyle. Peace Out." Wish you'd posted this five minutes ago and save me the bother! | |||
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"A lot of comments on this that really surprised me. I won't meet anyone who wants bare back neither will i meet people with a jobs lot of verifications by different people or someone who has met 3/4 different people in a week. Quality over quantity for me all the way. " but again your relying on people being honest.. and some of us enjoy quantity of quality. | |||
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"A lot of comments on this that really surprised me. I won't meet anyone who wants bare back neither will i meet people with a jobs lot of verifications by different people or someone who has met 3/4 different people in a week. Quality over quantity for me all the way. but again your relying on people being honest.. and some of us enjoy quantity of quality." That's your choice play with fire you'll get burnt and burn others too | |||
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"ok well, 1 in every 5,000 guys penis's will spontaneously fall off. Apparently that's a fact. Just something to think about like.... I thinks it's also pretty fucking naive to just go by what you read on a profile which is equally as bad as shagging half the site. Call me old fashioned but I'm kinda picky and I don't want my fucking knob to drop off spontaneously either. $0.02 Ben " if it drops off spontaneously, getting an std should have no bearing | |||
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"ok well, 1 in every 5,000 guys penis's will spontaneously fall off. Apparently that's a fact. Just something to think about like.... I thinks it's also pretty fucking naive to just go by what you read on a profile which is equally as bad as shagging half the site. Call me old fashioned but I'm kinda picky and I don't want my fucking knob to drop off spontaneously either. $0.02 Ben if it drops off spontaneously, getting an std should have no bearing " I believe in medical terms it's called 'Spontaneous Cockbustion' | |||
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"For the 100th time... The more you make people pariahs for exercising their right to choose when, where and how they play, the more you will drive the practice underground and cause people to lie and cheat to get what they want. If people thought that they could be open about their preference without ostracisation, there would be far less people wanting to lie - then everyone would be able to make a polite, informed decision. Self aggrandising, chest beating, pious, holier-than-thou attitudes and a 'witch-hunt' mentality are RUINING the scene. People are becoming jaded because the perceive the scene as as littered with liars and cheats - and people who think they know better than anyone else - which they don't. ..and to all those self aggrandising folks who believe that they are better than any other practicing section of this lifestyle let me leave you with this thought. Theres a reason you keep swinging a secret pastime and don't tell your friends and family about it - because you don't want to be ostracised for what many view as deviant practices. So stop doing the same within the scene. Play how you want with others who want the same - lets us all exercise choice and be happy in our lifestyle. Peace Out." Spot on. | |||
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" if it drops off spontaneously, getting an std should have no bearing " Well it does. Because an std could cause it to drop off. And ive no intention of testing that theory out. Ben | |||
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"Don't meet us simples I've often requested bareback option bring a search tool, that way all these non bare backers who frown upon it will stop winking or messaging us This site supports world aids day and therefore encourages safe sex. So they won't have a bareback option" Really? You should log into FabGuys - The Gay/Bi site run by this site's owners. They have a bareback option on profiles as I recall. | |||
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" That's your choice play with fire you'll get burnt and burn others too" I've been playing safer the last few years.. but have to say that till I started properly swinging I had never ever bothered with a condom.. we are all playing with fire.. but are all away of what level. 14 years I have been playing this way for... And not so much as thrush.. reason being that I may maintain that it's my choice to play bare but out of all the partners in my life.. my bareback total is not even in double figures. But I still maintain the right that if I want to I will and I'm not ashamed to admit it. | |||
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"Y'all (as Cali says) are fucking deluded. I've had loads of meets off here, I'd guess at least 90% of them from people with profiles screaming no glove no love. Fact is 90% of people see putting "safe sex only" as a way to make their profile more appealing to a wider audience, so that's all it is, marketing bullshit. If they think it is going to help them get laid it goes in the profile, if they think it will hinder them getting laid it stays out. That's all there is to it." thats the problem people want meets and do or say what ever to get them. For us it us safe only and if it is clear that the person we are talking to is a frequent bb player then we would not meet. condoms are not the 100% safe route people think they are. However they are a hell of alot safer than without. So even with them if its someone who turns out to have bb on the site then no chance we would meet them. Its our health at the end of the day, and we have turned alot down because even if not sure there is enough doubts. the problem when this debate comes up is that the bb people always throw up the oral issue. well yes its not safe but they people that do do oral without protection but have protected sex are a tad safer than those that have unsafe sex and oral. It also nearly always the bb players in these debates that resort to shouting and being rude (not all before anyone goes again) but this is supposed to be a debate and healthy debate is good. Its just that we are all right and you bb's are wrong ....lol ( that was taking the piss by the way..) People need to grow up and take responsibility for their own safety and to be honest swingers should be setting and example to everyone else. as we see so often ie dogging tales etc this lifestyle gets enough crap of people not in it as it is without people making it worse. However the biggest problem is more the members that fly on and off the site for a shag.. those are not swingers as such they are people (guys for us) that clearly say they want sex and feel its easier to get it here than in the real world. so they dont give a shit. but we are never going to change them. | |||
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"Y'all (as Cali says) are fucking deluded. I've had loads of meets off here, I'd guess at least 90% of them from people with profiles screaming no glove no love. Fact is 90% of people see putting "safe sex only" as a way to make their profile more appealing to a wider audience, so that's all it is, marketing bullshit. If they think it is going to help them get laid it goes in the profile, if they think it will hinder them getting laid it stays out. That's all there is to it. thats the problem people want meets and do or say what ever to get them. For us it us safe only and if it is clear that the person we are talking to is a frequent bb player then we would not meet. condoms are not the 100% safe route people think they are. However they are a hell of alot safer than without. So even with them if its someone who turns out to have bb on the site then no chance we would meet them. Its our health at the end of the day, and we have turned alot down because even if not sure there is enough doubts. the problem when this debate comes up is that the bb people always throw up the oral issue. well yes its not safe but they people that do do oral without protection but have protected sex are a tad safer than those that have unsafe sex and oral. It also nearly always the bb players in these debates that resort to shouting and being rude (not all before anyone goes again) but this is supposed to be a debate and healthy debate is good. Its just that we are all right and you bb's are wrong ....lol ( that was taking the piss by the way..) People need to grow up and take responsibility for their own safety and to be honest swingers should be setting and example to everyone else. as we see so often ie dogging tales etc this lifestyle gets enough crap of people not in it as it is without people making it worse. However the biggest problem is more the members that fly on and off the site for a shag.. those are not swingers as such they are people (guys for us) that clearly say they want sex and feel its easier to get it here than in the real world. so they dont give a shit. but we are never going to change them." Well said thank you | |||
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"Maybe the pics are of themselves and their partner, but use condoms when swinging." | |||
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"Maybe the pics are of themselves and their partner, but use condoms when swinging." The OP mentioned DP.... And some dont expect to see pics of a "partner" on a single profile | |||
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"It's simply about choice, YOUR choice. Nobody else will determine how you play, just you. So if they play bare back and you don't agree with it, it's your choice not to meet and play. It's their choice to go bareback. Simple. " | |||
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"Can't y'all just live and let live?! Why are you concerned what anyone else is doing, do you and get on with your shit." Couldn't agree more. | |||
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"Maybe the pics are of themselves and their partner, but use condoms when swinging. The OP mentioned DP.... And some dont expect to see pics of a "partner" on a single profile " Ahh, good point | |||
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"A lot of comments on this that really surprised me. I won't meet anyone who wants bare back neither will i meet people with a jobs lot of verifications by different people or someone who has met 3/4 different people in a week. Quality over quantity for me all the way. " Do you realise that anyone you meet could easily have that "Job Lot" of veris hidden and have met 30 or 40 people that week? | |||
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"At the end of the say the only persons sexual health you have control over is your own. Nothing you say will stop people having bareback sex. In this day and age we all know the score. If people having pics of bareback on their profile bothers you, don't meet them. Moaning and bitching about how people won't get meets because they go bare isn't going to increase condom sales, it will just make people be more sneaky on their profiles. I say celebrate openness and honesty that allows you to make educated and informed decisions about wether or not you want to meet them. And as for swingers spreading disease. Out of all my friends, vanilla and swingers guess which ones have been to get checked the most! " Exactly. This little fact is something most Swingers overlook. You have FAR MORE to be worried about with STI's from the 'antics' of your Vanilla friends than from other swingers. Swingers, in general, get checked out much more often and please don't fall into the trap of thinking that vanilla friends don't have as much sex as a swinger either - they are often at it far more than we all are!! They just haven't faced up to what their lifestyle really is. At the end of the day, if you want to protect yourself as much as you can, then assume everyone you meet has and does go bareback and take what precautions you feel necessary. Or just don't meet them. | |||
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"30. 40 in a week that would be going some lol as most can't get one a week. Hense getting to know them a bit not just jumping straight in " I can do that in one session.. so totally possible lol and I rarely if ever get verifications from them. | |||
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"For the 100th time... The more you make people pariahs for exercising their right to choose when, where and how they play, the more you will drive the practice underground and cause people to lie and cheat to get what they want. If people thought that they could be open about their preference without ostracisation, there would be far less people wanting to lie - then everyone would be able to make a polite, informed decision. Self aggrandising, chest beating, pious, holier-than-thou attitudes and a 'witch-hunt' mentality are RUINING the scene. People are becoming jaded because the perceive the scene as as littered with liars and cheats - and people who think they know better than anyone else - which they don't. ..and to all those self aggrandising folks who believe that they are better than any other practicing section of this lifestyle let me leave you with this thought. Theres a reason you keep swinging a secret pastime and don't tell your friends and family about it - because you don't want to be ostracised for what many view as deviant practices. So stop doing the same within the scene. Play how you want with others who want the same - lets us all exercise choice and be happy in our lifestyle. Peace Out." said much more eloquently than i.. for a so called section of society with a 'liberal' outlook in this aspect its sometimes more like the WI's Daily mail appreciation club.. and not just on this subject.. | |||
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"For the 100th time... The more you make people pariahs for exercising their right to choose when, where and how they play, the more you will drive the practice underground and cause people to lie and cheat to get what they want. If people thought that they could be open about their preference without ostracisation, there would be far less people wanting to lie - then everyone would be able to make a polite, informed decision. Self aggrandising, chest beating, pious, holier-than-thou attitudes and a 'witch-hunt' mentality are RUINING the scene. People are becoming jaded because the perceive the scene as as littered with liars and cheats - and people who think they know better than anyone else - which they don't. ..and to all those self aggrandising folks who believe that they are better than any other practicing section of this lifestyle let me leave you with this thought. Theres a reason you keep swinging a secret pastime and don't tell your friends and family about it - because you don't want to be ostracised for what many view as deviant practices. So stop doing the same within the scene. Play how you want with others who want the same - lets us all exercise choice and be happy in our lifestyle. Peace Out." Spot on. | |||
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" The only totally safe sex is abstention... " That's what I must be doing then ....... | |||
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" The only totally safe sex is abstention... That's what I must be doing then ....... " You are me are super safe then lol | |||
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" The only totally safe sex is abstention... That's what I must be doing then ....... You are me are super safe then lol " So it would seem......... Dammit | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... " I would rather they post them and we can see and avoid as barebackers are not on our meet list. | |||
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"Glad i have a bit more thought for myself and others to practice safe sex. For me sex should be enjoyed and be a quality Fuck not just have as many as i can in a session. Not condemning those who want that way of life each to their own " The use of this emoticon Reflects the each to their own philosophy perfectly lol | |||
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"For the 100th time... The more you make people pariahs for exercising their right to choose when, where and how they play, the more you will drive the practice underground and cause people to lie and cheat to get what they want. If people thought that they could be open about their preference without ostracisation, there would be far less people wanting to lie - then everyone would be able to make a polite, informed decision. Self aggrandising, chest beating, pious, holier-than-thou attitudes and a 'witch-hunt' mentality are RUINING the scene. People are becoming jaded because the perceive the scene as as littered with liars and cheats - and people who think they know better than anyone else - which they don't. ..and to all those self aggrandising folks who believe that they are better than any other practicing section of this lifestyle let me leave you with this thought. Theres a reason you keep swinging a secret pastime and don't tell your friends and family about it - because you don't want to be ostracised for what many view as deviant practices. So stop doing the same within the scene. Play how you want with others who want the same - lets us all exercise choice and be happy in our lifestyle. Peace Out. said much more eloquently than i.. for a so called section of society with a 'liberal' outlook in this aspect its sometimes more like the WI's Daily mail appreciation club.. and not just on this subject.." I hardly think that being concerned about yours and others sexual health is on a par with a daily wail witch hunt on deviancy. At what point, not only on this site but in real life, do you think we should be allowed to make negative comment on how people conduct their lives? Would you have a go at someone who regularly drink drives home from the pub because he says there's a one in a thousand chance of him being caught? Would you say "that's ok, thats his preference, leave him be and just don't get in a car with him"? Because there's no difference. Would you like to be the one person he hits with his car and fucks up both their lives? I doubt you would, so yes on the subject of activities that can have profound and long lasting detrimental effects on peoples lives then I'm all for telling people their preferences are fucking stoopid. As I said before, it's not like a preference for tall/short/fat/thin where the only thing to get hurt are feelings. This preference can kill. So to sum up, I believe that having a preference for completely unprotected sex in a liberal sexual environment where no-one can be sure of anyone's sexual past and sti's are on the increase countrywide....breathe....is fucking stoopid. Bring on yet another ban I assume? | |||
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"Just a little comment from me for the people who say they only bareback with their partner or husband and wife, how can anyone be 100% sure that they aren't having sex behind your back when they are at work, a quickie on a d*unken night out?? So can anyone really be assured they are having safe sex?? You never know what people get up to" Because you married that person out of love and trust and you should know that person well enough. Plus... why would anyone in the swinging scene ever cheat ? It doesn't make sense to us. We're both madly in love, and the idea of fucking someone else without the other there is kind of pointless. Nothing turns us off more. | |||
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"Just a little comment from me for the people who say they only bareback with their partner or husband and wife, how can anyone be 100% sure that they aren't having sex behind your back when they are at work, a quickie on a d*unken night out?? So can anyone really be assured they are having safe sex?? You never know what people get up to Because you married that person out of love and trust and you should know that person well enough. Plus... why would anyone in the swinging scene ever cheat ? It doesn't make sense to us. We're both madly in love, and the idea of fucking someone else without the other there is kind of pointless. Nothing turns us off more." No one in human life knows what their partner gets up to unless they are together 24 hours a day | |||
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"Just a little comment from me for the people who say they only bareback with their partner or husband and wife, how can anyone be 100% sure that they aren't having sex behind your back when they are at work, a quickie on a d*unken night out?? So can anyone really be assured they are having safe sex?? You never know what people get up to" Wtf. This gets brought up to try and argue something that is a stupid choice all the time. That isn't intentionally going out and doing bareback with strangers yourself so totally different | |||
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" I hardly think that being concerned about yours and others sexual health is on a par with a daily wail witch hunt on deviancy. At what point, not only on this site but in real life, do you think we should be allowed to make negative comment on how people conduct their lives? Would you have a go at someone who regularly drink drives home from the pub because he says there's a one in a thousand chance of him being caught? Would you say "that's ok, thats his preference, leave him be and just don't get in a car with him"? Because there's no difference. Would you like to be the one person he hits with his car and fucks up both their lives? I doubt you would, so yes on the subject of activities that can have profound and long lasting detrimental effects on peoples lives then I'm all for telling people their preferences are fucking stoopid. As I said before, it's not like a preference for tall/short/fat/thin where the only thing to get hurt are feelings. This preference can kill. So to sum up, I believe that having a preference for completely unprotected sex in a liberal sexual environment where no-one can be sure of anyone's sexual past and sti's are on the increase countrywide....breathe....is fucking stoopid. Bring on yet another ban I assume? " concern for the greater well being of ones fellow 'man' is laudable but some do go past being concerned and become almost preacher like about things which are not their choice and they have no influence over.. matters not what i think about how far and for what others may choose to live their lives unless of course it impacts on mine own kin or people to whom i'm in close proximity.. on this subject thats not the case.. your point about d*unk drivers is a common moral argument, which you correctly surmise my pov as being the same as most sensible folks.. people are adults and the info is and has been out there for decades, prior to the awareness of HIV.. if they choose to do so then as consenting adults that is their choice.. as its others choice to over eat, smoke too much, drink too much, drive very fast lumps of metal and plastic far too fast.. shouting at them wont work, educating people will go some way yes but at the end of the day folks make choices.. the none swinging population are i would say worse in none safe sex than most not all in this aspect.. am i or you going to stand outside the local gum clinic berating people who attend.. not going to happen is it.. as others have said worry about that which you can influence.. the rest will be what it will be... | |||
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"Don't meet us simples I've often requested bareback option bring a search tool, that way all these non bare backers who frown upon it will stop winking or messaging us This site supports world aids day and therefore encourages safe sex. So they won't have a bareback option Really? You should log into FabGuys - The Gay/Bi site run by this site's owners. They have a bareback option on profiles as I recall. " thats shocking | |||
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"Totally agree safe sex ,a must ,our pictures without condoms are with me and wife ,when we play I always where protection ,and any guys playing with wife must also,unless she just wants them to cum on her " Same goes here...my bb pics are with my Hubby....isn't that allowed?? | |||
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"No you don't know what your husband or partner is doing behind your back ... this has just happened to a very close friend of mine (not a swinger) her husband has been working away and guess what yep she got a STI from him hense finding out he's been having an affair while working away ... but the comment that we don't know what our partners are up to are irrelevant really ... its people in the 40's age bracket now showing up with one of the higest rates of STI's not a good advert is it really? " Is it people in their 40's with the highest rate, or is it simply a bigger demographic of people in their 40's attending the clinic though??? See no one will ever really know because every and any statistic is flawed. As for the other, you never know if your partner is screwing around behind your back sheesh, I know I've been single a fair few years but is trust not a foundation of a relationship? | |||
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"Just a little comment from me for the people who say they only bareback with their partner or husband and wife, how can anyone be 100% sure that they aren't having sex behind your back when they are at work, a quickie on a d*unken night out?? So can anyone really be assured they are having safe sex?? You never know what people get up to Wtf. This gets brought up to try and argue something that is a stupid choice all the time. That isn't intentionally going out and doing bareback with strangers yourself so totally different" I never said it was | |||
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"No you don't know what your husband or partner is doing behind your back ... this has just happened to a very close friend of mine (not a swinger) her husband has been working away and guess what yep she got a STI from him hense finding out he's been having an affair while working away ... but the comment that we don't know what our partners are up to are irrelevant really ... its people in the 40's age bracket now showing up with one of the higest rates of STI's not a good advert is it really? Is it people in their 40's with the highest rate, or is it simply a bigger demographic of people in their 40's attending the clinic though??? See no one will ever really know because every and any statistic is flawed. As for the other, you never know if your partner is screwing around behind your back sheesh, I know I've been single a fair few years but is trust not a foundation of a relationship?" | |||
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"I see that many are saying that they will never meet with someone who has gone bareback! But surely you cannot meet with any swingers! How do you know if they have gone bareback? The only way is to treat everyone as if you know they have gone bareback!" I think the gist of it is people won't meet with others who say they want to go bareback | |||
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"Just a little comment from me for the people who say they only bareback with their partner or husband and wife, how can anyone be 100% sure that they aren't having sex behind your back when they are at work, a quickie on a d*unken night out?? So can anyone really be assured they are having safe sex?? You never know what people get up to Wtf. This gets brought up to try and argue something that is a stupid choice all the time. That isn't intentionally going out and doing bareback with strangers yourself so totally different I never said it was" We'll it's totally irrelevant then | |||
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"I see that many are saying that they will never meet with someone who has gone bareback! But surely you cannot meet with any swingers! How do you know if they have gone bareback? The only way is to treat everyone as if you know they have gone bareback! I think the gist of it is people won't meet with others who say they want to go bareback " Perhaps that is true for some of the comments, but the original post was about pics on profiles with people doing bareback and then saying that they wouldn't meet these people! But you should treat all people vanilla or swinger as if they have had bareback sex all the time..how do you know? | |||
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"Just a little comment from me for the people who say they only bareback with their partner or husband and wife, how can anyone be 100% sure that they aren't having sex behind your back when they are at work, a quickie on a d*unken night out?? So can anyone really be assured they are having safe sex?? You never know what people get up to Wtf. This gets brought up to try and argue something that is a stupid choice all the time. That isn't intentionally going out and doing bareback with strangers yourself so totally different I never said it was We'll it's totally irrelevant then" And exactly how is it not relevant? | |||
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"what concerns me, is that married couples dont think they need to visit a GUM clinic if they have regular meets, because 'we only bare back with each other'.... Condoms aren't 100% safe, and I've yet to see anyone use condoms or dental dams for oral, so could still catch an STI. Do I avoid these couples? No, or I'd be a Nun! I just make sure that I go for check ups more often and get tested for everything." | |||
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"what gets me about the bareback arguement is the "oral si risky too" arguement.. that it maybe, but it is only a tiny risk compared to penetration bare.. " How do you define 'tiny'? How much does a 'tiny' risk multiply if you have just cleaned your teeth or used most brands of mouthwash? What about if you have mouth ulcers... bleeding gums... or just ate a packet of crisps? It is fair to say oral is generally a lower risk... but 'tiny'? | |||
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"what gets me about the bareback arguement is the "oral si risky too" arguement.. that it maybe, but it is only a tiny risk compared to penetration bare.. How do you define 'tiny'? How much does a 'tiny' risk multiply if you have just cleaned your teeth or used most brands of mouthwash? What about if you have mouth ulcers... bleeding gums... or just ate a packet of crisps? It is fair to say oral is generally a lower risk... but 'tiny'?" it is a slightly higher risk if you have cuts or infection in your mouth.. but it says the mouth is better at fighting infections and virus's it is around 1:1000 chance of catching hiv through vagina bare, 1:125 through anal bare and 1:400,000 through oral. quite a differnce if you ask me | |||
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"what gets me about the bareback arguement is the "oral si risky too" arguement.. that it maybe, but it is only a tiny risk compared to penetration bare.. and barebackers who go to the gum clinic regular.. is that so once u find out u have hiv or hep B or somethign u will stop?" everyone is entitled to their own opinions. no-one is entitled to their own facts the risk of infection for oral vs vaginal sex is, to some extent, given that it is a REAL hard thing to study, cos getting control groups to be lab rats is nigh on impossible, simply do not support your OPINION that the risks or oral sex are "tiny" compared to vaginal sex. Indeed there are many infections that work BETTER at transmission with oral sex. ------------------------- something else the holier than though crowd forget. See my profile, bareback only. I might be a cunt, but I am far from a stupid cunt, so KNOWING that I do not even enjoy the limited protection of condoms I am even more selective in who I fuck... far more selective that many of the holier than thou no glove no love crowd, who think a rubber on a cock for vaginal sex only is kryptonite to STD's | |||
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"what gets me about the bareback arguement is the "oral si risky too" arguement.. that it maybe, but it is only a tiny risk compared to penetration bare.. How do you define 'tiny'? How much does a 'tiny' risk multiply if you have just cleaned your teeth or used most brands of mouthwash? What about if you have mouth ulcers... bleeding gums... or just ate a packet of crisps? It is fair to say oral is generally a lower risk... but 'tiny'? it is a slightly higher risk if you have cuts or infection in your mouth.. but it says the mouth is better at fighting infections and virus's it is around 1:1000 chance of catching hiv through vagina bare, 1:125 through anal bare and 1:400,000 through oral. quite a differnce if you ask me" I think you'll find that under certain conditions the mouth starts to rapidly catch up with ye' ol' flange. But it's not just HIV is it? Some infections are much more successful at transferring through oral. Oral is risky.... a lower risk generally may be, but to try and state it as being 'tiny' does no favours for the gullible. | |||
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"Those that think that no bareback photos = no bareback play are pretty deluded... Take responsibility for your own safety.. and treat everyone else as if just been bare with half the site.. As to be fair most people don't admit it.. for instance I've noticed two bareback meet requests.. both from profiles screaming about safe sex only. I have gone bare.. will do again if I decide to.. but it's my choice.. " Couldn't put it better myself. It is personal choice who you meet and how you play. 95% of the time I play safe, 5% I don't but I take responsibility for my own sexual health, regular gum check ups etc. I'd rather meet someone like me who is honest about how they play. Safe sex is no 100% guarantee against sti, it just reduces the risk, nothing is 100% safe apart from total abstaince. And what about oral sex? The people that go on about safe sex, do you also practice safe oral sex using condoms & dental dams? | |||
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"what gets me about the bareback arguement is the "oral si risky too" arguement.. that it maybe, but it is only a tiny risk compared to penetration bare.. and barebackers who go to the gum clinic regular.. is that so once u find out u have hiv or hep B or somethign u will stop?" will you stop if you find out you have it.. no sorry.. forgot.. your not a barebacker so stds just bypass you.. Why do you go to get checked? | |||
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" Saliva is very acidic and viruses don't thrive as well in those conditions but that's not to say some won't, particularly throat infections " saliva is not *very* acidic stomach acid is far more acidic, and various bugs and virii live quite happily in our guts... | |||
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"what gets me about the bareback arguement is the "oral si risky too" arguement.. that it maybe, but it is only a tiny risk compared to penetration bare.. How do you define 'tiny'? How much does a 'tiny' risk multiply if you have just cleaned your teeth or used most brands of mouthwash? What about if you have mouth ulcers... bleeding gums... or just ate a packet of crisps? It is fair to say oral is generally a lower risk... but 'tiny'? it is a slightly higher risk if you have cuts or infection in your mouth.. but it says the mouth is better at fighting infections and virus's it is around 1:1000 chance of catching hiv through vagina bare, 1:125 through anal bare and 1:400,000 through oral. quite a differnce if you ask me I think you'll find that under certain conditions the mouth starts to rapidly catch up with ye' ol' flange. But it's not just HIV is it? Some infections are much more successful at transferring through oral. Oral is risky.... a lower risk generally may be, but to try and state it as being 'tiny' does no favours for the gullible. " Most sti's just take a course of antibiotics.. Hiv and hep b are life changing infections with no cure.. | |||
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"what gets me about the bareback arguement is the "oral si risky too" arguement.. that it maybe, but it is only a tiny risk compared to penetration bare.. and barebackers who go to the gum clinic regular.. is that so once u find out u have hiv or hep B or somethign u will stop? will you stop if you find out you have it.. no sorry.. forgot.. your not a barebacker so stds just bypass you.. Why do you go to get checked? " For starters I have never said whether I am a barebacker or not. Don't make assumptions. People who use protection are aware of infections and get checks to ensure they have not caught anything as nothing is 100% People who go bareback are less worried if they get infections or they wouldn't take as much risk so why they worried about getting checked too? That's how I see it.. There is no way to determine the exact statics of risks.. But the fact is penetration is a much greater risk than oral and if people are happy to take such great risks I don't understand why they would be bothered if they were infected. | |||
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"Let's face it, it feels fkin awesome If you are in a 1 on 1 committed relationship (and have both been tested before you commit), then get on with it If you have multiple sexual partners, bag up To me, it is that simple." | |||
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"what concerns me, is that married couples dont think they need to visit a GUM clinic if they have regular meets, because 'we only bare back with each other'.... Did you miss the word 'some' from that statement? " I didn't miss it no. I have read many a BB thread and a large amount of couples have said they have no need to get tested. I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy | |||
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"what concerns me, is that married couples dont think they need to visit a GUM clinic if they have regular meets, because 'we only bare back with each other'.... Did you miss the word 'some' from that statement? I didn't miss it no. I have read many a BB thread and a large amount of couples have said they have no need to get tested. I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy " Have to say I've been reading the forums for over a year and never seen anyone say they don't need to use a gum clinic. Have seen people ask what a gum clinic is.. But I guess not everyone knows its proper name.. Especially as it hasn't always been known as gum. | |||
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" For starters I have never said whether I am a barebacker or not. Don't make assumptions. People who use protection are aware of infections and get checks to ensure they have not caught anything as nothing is 100% People who go bareback are less worried if they get infections or they wouldn't take as much risk so why they worried about getting checked too? That's how I see it.. There is no way to determine the exact statics of risks.. But the fact is penetration is a much greater risk than oral and if people are happy to take such great risks I don't understand why they would be bothered if they were infected. " I know you never said.. I was asking because you seem to think that barebackers go to a clinic for a different reason.. NO we go for the same. I certainly dont have less care for my health. I just weigh up the pros and cons.. and its worth it to me if I want too... And I get checked for the same reason as anyone else.. I get checked to make sure I have not caught anything... Your actual arguments really make little sense.. | |||
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" I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy " I have seen it on a few threads... and the one I remember the most was a woman claiming that if you always played safe why did you need to get checked. and quite a few others agreeing.. I to be honest do snigger at some of these threads... as some that protest loads... I know full well dont practise what they preach... | |||
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"what concerns me, is that married couples dont think they need to visit a GUM clinic if they have regular meets, because 'we only bare back with each other'.... Did you miss the word 'some' from that statement? I didn't miss it no. I have read many a BB thread and a large amount of couples have said they have no need to get tested. I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy Have to say I've been reading the forums for over a year and never seen anyone say they don't need to use a gum clinic. Have seen people ask what a gum clinic is.. But I guess not everyone knows its proper name.. Especially as it hasn't always been known as gum." I've seen that couples have stated they have never needed to visit a clinic, or have STI tests as they only play bare with each other. I'm 100% certain I've read it on more than one occasion | |||
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" I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy I have seen it on a few threads... and the one I remember the most was a woman claiming that if you always played safe why did you need to get checked. and quite a few others agreeing.. I to be honest do snigger at some of these threads... as some that protest loads... I know full well dont practise what they preach... " Knew I wasn't dreaming! Comments like these, stick In my head! See in my opinion, these people need avoiding the most!!! But it's not easy, so will continue to play as safe as I can & continue with regular check ups. | |||
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"what concerns me, is that married couples dont think they need to visit a GUM clinic if they have regular meets, because 'we only bare back with each other'.... Did you miss the word 'some' from that statement? I didn't miss it no. I have read many a BB thread and a large amount of couples have said they have no need to get tested. I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy Have to say I've been reading the forums for over a year and never seen anyone say they don't need to use a gum clinic. Have seen people ask what a gum clinic is.. But I guess not everyone knows its proper name.. Especially as it hasn't always been known as gum." I've seen people post they don't get checked out. | |||
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"BareBack threads constantly appear on here and the comments are always the same! Everybody knows the risks and everybody has their opinions. why does it keep coming up over and over again? it hasn't made a difference in 4 years so why would it now?" Because there's always some new busy body on the block wanting to dictate how other consenting adults conduct their business! | |||
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"We are all adults (well in age) It is up to people how they wish to play..If they want to BB then they are entitled to do as they please. We all know the risks of BBing and its up to people to assess that risk on an individual basis. What I do not think is fair is to judge those that wish to BB...If you don't like it then don't play with them and move on. " | |||
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" I remember that one! I'm just amazed people take the words of total strangers wanting to fuck them as gospel! " We actually agreed on that thread.. | |||
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"Don't meet us simples I've often requested bareback option bring a search tool, that way all these non bare backers who frown upon it will stop winking or messaging us This site supports world aids day and therefore encourages safe sex. So they won't have a bareback option" I don't think Admin have ever said one way or another wether they wil have a BB option or not. They support the poppy appeal too but don't tell everyone to buy one... On both options I think they leave it to adults to choose. | |||
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" I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy I have seen it on a few threads... and the one I remember the most was a woman claiming that if you always played safe why did you need to get checked. and quite a few others agreeing.. I to be honest do snigger at some of these threads... as some that protest loads... I know full well dont practise what they preach... I remember that one! I'm just amazed people take the words of total strangers wanting to fuck them as gospel! " But if it's on their profile then it's true.... right...? | |||
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" I remember that one! I'm just amazed people take the words of total strangers wanting to fuck them as gospel! We actually agreed on that thread.. " I'm alarmed I'm agreeing with people these days! | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... " You say each to their own in your post and then go on to condemn people so you are contradicting yourself. Just because someone says they play safe doesn't always mean it is the truth. For us, we treat everyone as if they do BB and take care of our own health. We also think adults should be able to make their own decisions with their lives. | |||
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"Wow I thought ruggers was going to kill this when I saw the name as latest post. Please dont ruggers I thought the same thing. Then again from the get go I've always thought that when I see Ruggers as the last poster. " Ditto | |||
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" I have even read that somebody didn't know what a GUM clinic was. Purring pussy I have seen it on a few threads... and the one I remember the most was a woman claiming that if you always played safe why did you need to get checked. and quite a few others agreeing.. I to be honest do snigger at some of these threads... as some that protest loads... I know full well dont practise what they preach... I remember that one! I'm just amazed people take the words of total strangers wanting to fuck them as gospel! But if it's on their profile then it's true.... right...? " Yes, it's right after, can lick pussy for hours, can breath through my ears, the lady always comes first after I've pounded her for two hours with my monster 12" cock! | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... " Sorry, i can't be arsed trawling through all the posts, so i apologise if anyone else has said this, but, couldn't these 'new pics' be pics of the member with a partner? Just because they are uploading new pics, it doesn't mean the people in the pics have just met and decided to bare back!! I used to bare back with my ex! And got two boys to prove it, lol. Doesn't mean i bare back with strangers does it? | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... Sorry, i can't be arsed trawling through all the posts, so i apologise if anyone else has said this, but, couldn't these 'new pics' be pics of the member with a partner? Just because they are uploading new pics, it doesn't mean the people in the pics have just met and decided to bare back!! I used to bare back with my ex! And got two boys to prove it, lol. Doesn't mean i bare back with strangers does it?" Why do people who are married/in relationships where they've had children feel the need to mention they've barebacked with their partners? That comes under the heading "no shit!" I think a "single" man with his bare cock inserted in various pussies off putting. | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... Sorry, i can't be arsed trawling through all the posts, so i apologise if anyone else has said this, but, couldn't these 'new pics' be pics of the member with a partner? Just because they are uploading new pics, it doesn't mean the people in the pics have just met and decided to bare back!! I used to bare back with my ex! And got two boys to prove it, lol. Doesn't mean i bare back with strangers does it? Why do people who are married/in relationships where they've had children feel the need to mention they've barebacked with their partners? That comes under the heading "no shit!" I think a "single" man with his bare cock inserted in various pussies off putting. " My post was to highlight that just maybe, the 'single' guy has his bare cock up his ex partners pussy! Maybe, he is using an old pic for his profile! Maybe he IS barebacking a stranger! To be honest, i don't give a toss really, because i don't know him/her and it doesn't involve me! | |||
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"Has anyone else noticed new pics being posted of guys and gals going bareback .. Now I know each to there own but when I look at their profiles it says always safe. Yet their newest pics are clearly not. Even seen one woman being dvp'd neither guy was covered up!! Surely in this day protection is paramount... " Like you said...each to their own. We're responsible for our own practices. You don't like the way they do things, leave them be and move on. | |||
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"Why do I contradict myself ? Yes I said each to their own but my main point being they are saying in their profiles safe sexy only no exceptions, but then their pics say other!! It's them contradicting themselves !!! " Because you then go on to condemn people playing BB..... | |||
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"PS if you quote people you are answering people will know who you are speaking to " Yeah. would help! | |||
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"me and my boy friend love bare back sex i love the feel of hot spunk being shot in my pussy then fingering it in after the guy has left then my boy friend fucks me straight after bare back and adds his load of cum to the other guys and i finger it all deep inside me mixing the to loads together if you dont like it then dont mail us or meet us if you dont approve please block us " Erm | |||
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"What does it matter if someone has had bare back with someone else, as long as you cover up when you see them then there is no issue and its isn't anyone else business. It's not for anyone to judge anyone else, just protect yourself, and let others do their own thing. " Some people are WAAAAAYYY to paranoid about picking up something. Not the best lifestyle if that's the case! It's all well and good blocking people who have gone bareback in the past but it's only a filter and like filters, they don't get everyone and some get through. Maybe your next meet... | |||
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"What does it matter if someone has had bare back with someone else, as long as you cover up when you see them then there is no issue and its isn't anyone else business. It's not for anyone to judge anyone else, just protect yourself, and let others do their own thing. Some people are WAAAAAYYY to paranoid about picking up something. Not the best lifestyle if that's the case! It's all well and good blocking people who have gone bareback in the past but it's only a filter and like filters, they don't get everyone and some get through. Maybe your next meet... " My view too! Who knew sex with strangers carried risks! | |||
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"What does it matter if someone has had bare back with someone else, as long as you cover up when you see them then there is no issue and its isn't anyone else business. It's not for anyone to judge anyone else, just protect yourself, and let others do their own thing. Some people are WAAAAAYYY to paranoid about picking up something. Not the best lifestyle if that's the case! It's all well and good blocking people who have gone bareback in the past but it's only a filter and like filters, they don't get everyone and some get through. Maybe your next meet... " If everyone played safe then less would be spread. If I know someone plays bareback it's my choice not to meet with them, as they carry higher risks. It's also a mindset thing, if they share my mindset we will get on better. I don't want to meet with someone with a different mindset. If someone tried going bb with me, I would see it as disrespectful, again something I would rather avoid. | |||
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"What does it matter if someone has had bare back with someone else, as long as you cover up when you see them then there is no issue and its isn't anyone else business. It's not for anyone to judge anyone else, just protect yourself, and let others do their own thing. Some people are WAAAAAYYY to paranoid about picking up something. Not the best lifestyle if that's the case! It's all well and good blocking people who have gone bareback in the past but it's only a filter and like filters, they don't get everyone and some get through. Maybe your next meet... If everyone played safe then less would be spread. If I know someone plays bareback it's my choice not to meet with them, as they carry higher risks. It's also a mindset thing, if they share my mindset we will get on better. I don't want to meet with someone with a different mindset. If someone tried going bb with me, I would see it as disrespectful, again something I would rather avoid. " I don't think it's a mindset thing. Just because someone says they play safe doesn't mean they do and some guys, despite their mindset, would go bare if a woman said "just this once." Not everyone mentions that in a verification. Look, you play safe. That's all you need to remember. Try not to stress yourself with what other people are doing because the reality is you'll never truly know their sexual practises when they're not with you. No matter how hard you try. | |||
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