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"Iran, Irag and Afghanistan are all ongoing... Boston and 9/11 were all in one sitting... Not great examples to compare....." I am also comparing the coverage of the Boston bombings and the 2 Iran earthquakes. So these did happen in 'one sitting' as you say.. | |||
"What about a peodophile or child killer? Are there lives as equally important? X" yes in certain circumstances they are, if one of those people were rushed in to a trauma unit alongside a nun shall we say with the same life threatening issue.. both would be treated equally.. ditto, one of those and a warden were involved in a fire in a prison, both collapsed etc.. both would be rescued and treated etc.. issue's with equality of life, infant mortality, health care etc are largely an accident of birth and time.. | |||
"Iran, Irag and Afghanistan are all ongoing... Boston and 9/11 were all in one sitting... Not great examples to compare..... I am also comparing the coverage of the Boston bombings and the 2 Iran earthquakes. So these did happen in 'one sitting' as you say.." I can understand your point if both were bombings/natural disasters... A deliberate act of destruction will take precedence of a natural one... | |||
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"30 odd people were killed in car bombings in Baghdad the other day. A couple of people were killed in a bombing in Boston. are some lives more important than others? Sadly it seems so. Depends how many cameras are about."  | |||
"30 odd people were killed in car bombings in Baghdad the other day. A couple of people were killed in a bombing in Boston. are some lives more important than others? Sadly it seems so. Depends how many cameras are about. "There is that but I also think that we have a strange expectation of entitlement to lives in the West that we don't afford to others in other countries. | |||
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"A silly point to even consider as it implies lack of humanity over peoples reactions and I am sorry, you can SAY you find them all equal, but I am willing to bet you will shed far more tears for the loss of a loved one then you would someone half a world away you have never met. In order to SURVIVE we think in terms of ourselves and immediate loved ones, then family, then neighbors or 'tribe' if you will, then country/culture etc. It is how the human race did not simply die out, to ensure your genetic survival you want you, and your family, and your tribe etc to succeed. Good or bad that is how our brains work and to fault people, or imply fault for that is silly and hypocritical because admitted or not, that is most likely how your own brain works. Even Ghandi was concerned about HIS OWN PEOPLE and there are not many who were more committed to peace then he, but his concern was for his people more then the British. Did he lack humanity? Not only is this fact, it is vital to feel this way to a certain degree. If you feel equally horrid for all tragedy in the world you will soon be paralyzed from the horrors of this world and will also miss the incredible beauty of what mankind is also capable of, or the majesty of nature, even if it can kill millions in one blow. Do not fault people for what is basic human nature, if you feel strongly on the horrors in other places simply remind them, don't pull the guilt crap. It might be NICE if people felt that way, but it would also probably spell the end of our cultures and eventually our species. I hate silly feel good crap that simply ignores how evolution created us and tries to force an unworkable feel good philosophy that simply will not and can not EVER work. " Following the points you are making, you could almost justify racism. Are you saying, 'we have more sympathy for our own country/culture than others' and that this is 'is how our brains work' ? | |||
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"30 odd people were killed in car bombings in Baghdad the other day. A couple of people were killed in a bombing in Boston. are some lives more important than others? Sadly it seems so. Depends how many cameras are about.
There is that but I also think that we have a strange expectation of entitlement to lives in the West that we don't afford to others in other countries."As a society or as individuals? I don't think my life holds more value than a Kashmiri goatherder. More importantly I hope he doesn't think his life is less valuable. | |||
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"30 odd people were killed in car bombings in Baghdad the other day. A couple of people were killed in a bombing in Boston. are some lives more important than others? Sadly it seems so. Depends how many cameras are about.
There is that but I also think that we have a strange expectation of entitlement to lives in the West that we don't afford to others in other countries.
As a society or as individuals? I don't think my life holds more value than a Kashmiri goatherder. More importantly I hope he doesn't think his life is less valuable."If you are a parent and you had to choose his life or your childs what would you do? Horrid choice but I would choose my child. I might feel guilty as hell, but I would choose my child every time. THAT is human nature. Doesn't mean either life is worth more, but we do filter our love and compassion based on 'distance' as it were. | |||
"I know is a bit of a strange topic for Fab, and more than a bit morbid. Are all lives equally? I ask because there seems to be strange anomaly in the British media. Examples Boston : 3 died, 100s injured Iran (and surrounding) : 100s dead and 1000s injured. Loads of coverage on media about Boston, very little on Iran. 9/11 : about 3000 dead Iraq and Afghanistan war deaths : 180,000 (so far) More coverage about 9/11 deaths. Do we see American deaths as more important than the deaths of other in the world? To me all lives are equal, does matter about race, religion, sexuality or skin colour." Not a strange topic at all. No life is above any other, and by comparison to the US media, I actually think the British media does a much better job overall of bringing World news to the masses than many. Unfortunately, we all suffer from ignorance of lives lost around the planet due to the combination of sensationalism, veiled by the justification of 'newsworthiness' - both driven by the need to make a profit. So, at the end of the day, the media will show us what gets our attention/pulls at our heartstrings, that they can justify reporting in preference to other happenings, in order to stay in business. But, all the time the masses don't let those at the top of all the media companies know that we want to know about other news stories involving loss of life which is neither British or American, it will continue. We are our own worst enemy on that, to a great extent.. | |||
"I know is a bit of a strange topic for Fab, and more than a bit morbid. Are all lives equally? I ask because there seems to be strange anomaly in the British media. Examples Boston : 3 died, 100s injured Iran (and surrounding) : 100s dead and 1000s injured. Loads of coverage on media about Boston, very little on Iran. 9/11 : about 3000 dead Iraq and Afghanistan war deaths : 180,000 (so far) More coverage about 9/11 deaths. Do we see American deaths as more important than the deaths of other in the world? To me all lives are equal, does matter about race, religion, sexuality or skin colour. Not a strange topic at all. No life is above any other, and by comparison to the US media, I actually think the British media does a much better job overall of bringing World news to the masses than many. Unfortunately, we all suffer from ignorance of lives lost around the planet due to the combination of sensationalism, veiled by the justification of 'newsworthiness' - both driven by the need to make a profit. So, at the end of the day, the media will show us what gets our attention/pulls at our heartstrings, that they can justify reporting in preference to other happenings, in order to stay in business. But, all the time the masses don't let those at the top of all the media companies know that we want to know about other news stories involving loss of life which is neither British or American, it will continue. We are our own worst enemy on that, to a great extent.."
Well put, I think it is just as much our fault as the medias, we by are actions, buy news papers, read some news stories and not others, help cause this problem.
Though then again is it not the media role to ignore what we think is right and wrong and just report on all stories fairly ? | |||
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"I know is a bit of a strange topic for Fab, and more than a bit morbid. Are all lives equally? I ask because there seems to be strange anomaly in the British media. Examples Boston : 3 died, 100s injured Iran (and surrounding) : 100s dead and 1000s injured. Loads of coverage on media about Boston, very little on Iran. 9/11 : about 3000 dead Iraq and Afghanistan war deaths : 180,000 (so far) More coverage about 9/11 deaths. Do we see American deaths as more important than the deaths of other in the world? To me all lives are equal, does matter about race, religion, sexuality or skin colour. Not a strange topic at all. No life is above any other, and by comparison to the US media, I actually think the British media does a much better job overall of bringing World news to the masses than many. Unfortunately, we all suffer from ignorance of lives lost around the planet due to the combination of sensationalism, veiled by the justification of 'newsworthiness' - both driven by the need to make a profit. So, at the end of the day, the media will show us what gets our attention/pulls at our heartstrings, that they can justify reporting in preference to other happenings, in order to stay in business. But, all the time the masses don't let those at the top of all the media companies know that we want to know about other news stories involving loss of life which is neither British or American, it will continue. We are our own worst enemy on that, to a great extent..
Well put, I think it is just as much our fault as the medias, we by are actions, buy news papers, read some news stories and not others, help cause this problem.
Though then again is it not the media role to ignore what we think is right and wrong and just report on all stories fairly ?"The truth is, if they reported all stories fairly (or I think you may have meant equally?) is that you would end up with about 12 headlines everyday, and that - according to the media - don't sell papers, or get people to watch the news. One big headline, or Splash, sells. Not ideal, but true... | |||
