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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So todays the day the lay to rest The Iron Lady.
Not that I particularly cared for her or supported her but I do believe everyone has the right to a peaceful and respectful funeral.
So in that respect i hope today goes smoothly with no violence, riots , clashes etc, although i fear this will not be the case ??
What do you guys reckon ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So todays the day the lay to rest The Iron Lady.
Not that I particularly cared for her or supported her but I do believe everyone has the right to a peaceful and respectful funeral.
So in that respect i hope today goes smoothly with no violence, riots , clashes etc, although i fear this will not be the case ??
What do you guys reckon ?? "
I agree with you but can't see it being peaceful |
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I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit.... |
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"I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit.... "
True plus the huge military presence ! Plus they would have to go to Currys as Comet doesnt exist anymore   |
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"I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit.... "
I walked along the strand and fleet st this morning. I must have passed 500 coppers |
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"I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit....
I walked along the strand and fleet st this morning. I must have passed 500 coppers "
LBC is saying there are no more than 9 paces between any two coppers. Now if that ain't high-density policing, I dunno what is. Just a pity you can't get that when us common peasants need their help.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree, it should be peaceful. The lady is dead and any violence and protests will only hurt her family and further cost the tax payer.
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I agree. I hear some protesters will turn their back as the funeral car passes. This I respect. Violent protest cannot be condoned. |
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"I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit....
I walked along the strand and fleet st this morning. I must have passed 500 coppers "
Krispy Kreme must be doing a roaring trade |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just shows how divisive the woman was and still is. If there was a basic simple family and friends funeral that would not stick in the gullet but the fact the security level is so high shows this is more about political posturing.
Money found from nowhere not suprisingly. Lets assume for one moment the figure of ten million is a close figure of cost there is no way on gods earth can this be justified how many folk who are in genuine poverty would this money help.
Shameful. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit....
I walked along the strand and fleet st this morning. I must have passed 500 coppers
LBC is saying there are no more than 9 paces between any two coppers. Now if that ain't high-density policing, I dunno what is. Just a pity you can't get that when us common peasants need their help.... "
R.I.P Baroness Thatcher !!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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What worries me is that any violence or aggressive protesting will be done by younger idiots that werent even around 30 years ago and just want an excuse to cause trouble !! I hope the police stamp on them hard and ensure its a peaceful funeral. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just shows how divisive the woman was and still is. If there was a basic simple family and friends funeral that would not stick in the gullet but the fact the security level is so high shows this is more about political posturing.
Money found from nowhere not suprisingly. Lets assume for one moment the figure of ten million is a close figure of cost there is no way on gods earth can this be justified how many folk who are in genuine poverty would this money help.
Shameful."
The country is still paying for her policies as it is.So lets just get her in the ground at any cost & be done with her.! |
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"I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit....
I walked along the strand and fleet st this morning. I must have passed 500 coppers
Krispy Kreme must be doing a roaring trade "
They're probably using the cafe behind Coutts. Porkys. how apt. |
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regardless of wether there will be issues of protest and riots etc the very fact that there needs to be a plan in place by the police to deal with issues just goes to show the level of divide and distain she invokes, |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just shows how divisive the woman was and still is. If there was a basic simple family and friends funeral that would not stick in the gullet but the fact the security level is so high shows this is more about political posturing.
Money found from nowhere not suprisingly. Lets assume for one moment the figure of ten million is a close figure of cost there is no way on gods earth can this be justified how many folk who are in genuine poverty would this money help.
Shameful."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just shows how divisive the woman was and still is. If there was a basic simple family and friends funeral that would not stick in the gullet but the fact the security level is so high shows this is more about political posturing.
Money found from nowhere not suprisingly. Lets assume for one moment the figure of ten million is a close figure of cost there is no way on gods earth can this be justified how many folk who are in genuine poverty would this money help.
Shameful.
Well said. "
The funeral has been arranged for a long time and signed off by Blair and subsequently Brown when they were in power. In the great scheme of things £10m is nothing. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"there would be respect for the dead in this instance if th dead in question while alive had respect for the living."
So you feel no compassion for her family or their loss ?? Regardless of your feelings about her, the very least you can do as a human being is show respect and compassion for those she left behind.
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Whatever people thought of her in power. Today is the funeral of an mother and grandmother.
I didn't like a lot of what she did but you should respect the family today and let her funeral pass in peace. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Shes dead and been out of power for over 20 years! Get over it. Will it be the same when the next former prime minister dies? Each and every one of them have fucked over one of us one way or another. I hope she has a peaceful funeral, no I don't think it should be costing the public so much but theres fuck all I can do about it so whats the point moaning about it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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On the subject of the cost a couple of things
- all PM's are entitled to a state funeral so discussion on cost is more properly should we pay for ex-PM's funerals
- this country paid for the last papal visit at £12m, normally such visits are paid for by the Vatican but in this instance it was a state visit & UK taxpayer paid.
Shortly after leaving office Blair converted to Catholicism, the Catholic church accepting him despite his support for gay rights
As someone who detests Blair I'm outraged at this waste of taxpayers money and done in such an underhand way - I don't hear the left shouting about this!!! |
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i feel total compasion for those she left behind....but ive more compassion for the people and communties she destroyed. For the hurt and anguish she inflicted on the hard working people. For communities laid waste...she may be dead but the hurt she caused is still apparent to this day.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"i feel total compasion for those she left behind....but ive more compassion for the people and communties she destroyed. For the hurt and anguish she inflicted on the hard working people. For communities laid waste...she may be dead but the hurt she caused is still apparent to this day.."
Then concentrate on them and their feelings etc today and forget about all that for now !! Its all about a peaceful and dignified send of for someone that was loved by a family end of !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i feel total compasion for those she left behind....but ive more compassion for the people and communties she destroyed. For the hurt and anguish she inflicted on the hard working people. For communities laid waste...she may be dead but the hurt she caused is still apparent to this day.."
That was over 20 years ago - are you still sayting those communities are still in trouble?
If so I suggest equal criticism is levelled at the last labour government who failed to help these communities despite a period of economic wealth in this county |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My father is going today to pay his respects. I worry for him. As he is a passionate supporter of hers and even in his 80s not afraid to speak his views.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My father is going today to pay his respects. I worry for him. As he is a passionate supporter of hers and even in his 80s not afraid to speak his views.
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Fair play to him, I have a lot of respect for doing that and im sure he will be fine |
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20 years ago indeed...but when u hurt and scar the physce of a proud people and leave them desperate and demoralised its hard to forget....the communties may not be in trouble today but the bitterness remains...and for these people watching her recieve a funeral at the massive expense of the state is quiet unpallitable.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"20 years ago indeed...but when u hurt and scar the physce of a proud people and leave them desperate and demoralised its hard to forget....the communties may not be in trouble today but the bitterness remains...and for these people watching her recieve a funeral at the massive expense of the state is quiet unpallitable.."
As was the use of £12m of public funds for the last papal visit to allow Blair to convert to Catholicism - the outcry on his flagrant misuse of public funds is deafening!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't have a problem with people celebrating her death. That's their choice.I certainly won't miss her. But to wish bad fortune on her actual corpse is fucking disgusting. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don't have a problem with people celebrating her death. That's their choice.I certainly won't miss her. But to wish bad fortune on her actual corpse is fucking disgusting."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think if your not there to pay your repect, then why the fuck are you not working. If your there to cause trouble then i hope the full force of the law is applied."
That nails it for me ! Well said ! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think if your not there to pay your repect, then why the fuck are you not working. If your there to cause trouble then i hope the full force of the law is applied."
Agreed and the irony is that most of the people moaning about the cost and the tax payer having to pay are on benefits anyway !! Disgusting !! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"i aint on benifits...and im complaining...mrs T wasnt fond of people on beifits either yet there she is having a subsidised funeral.."
Thats because not only was she Prime Minister for this country for 3 terms ( voted in 3 times !!! )
But also a Baroness and had an immense standing !!
Your ignorance is unparalelled !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just heard that Francis Maud has said "the funeral will cost a fraction of the 10 million that's being reported".
Cleverly soundbited. 8/10ths is a fraction isn't it? |
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My ignorance is unparalled...perhaps...i never voted for her...i wasnt even in the country for most of her term.....but i do sympathise with all those whose lives she destroyed...and i havent even mentioned human rights |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My ignorance is unparalled...perhaps...i never voted for her...i wasnt even in the country for most of her term.....but i do sympathise with all those whose lives she destroyed...and i havent even mentioned human rights"
Simply unbelievable !!!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i aint on benifits...and im complaining...mrs T wasnt fond of people on beifits either yet there she is having a subsidised funeral.."
Are you an English teacher perchance ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I may have totally disagreed with her politics and even as a young child could be heard on demos against the closing of a children's hospital shouting "Maggie Thatcher milk snatcher" HOWEVER I find the thought of someone protesting at her funeral or being so disrespectful utterly deplorable.
Respect is a two way thing and those protesting etc do not earn respect from me. I hope the family are able to grieve today. Cremating a parent is never an easy thing.
As for comments of drop the coffin... Grow up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My ignorance is unparalled...perhaps...i never voted for her...i wasnt even in the country for most of her term.....but i do sympathise with all those whose lives she destroyed...and i havent even mentioned human rights"
And presumably you sympathise with the Iraqis who have lost family members from British bombs - the result of Blair lying to parliamnet becuase he hadn't got the balls to stand up to Bush
And lets not mention the billions it cost - no wonder this country's so far in debt!!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My ignorance is unparalled...perhaps...i never voted for her...i wasnt even in the country for most of her term.....but i do sympathise with all those whose lives she destroyed...and i havent even mentioned human rights
And presumably you sympathise with the Iraqis who have lost family members from British bombs - the result of Blair lying to parliamnet becuase he hadn't got the balls to stand up to Bush
And lets not mention the billions it cost - no wonder this country's so far in debt!!!"
That is not what this thread is about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is one of those occasions where media spice things up big time. Of course there will be no major riot or anything like that. What would be purpose? What would it achieve? Good example of media drumming things up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Mrs T was voted in by the people (democracy), I believe she did what she thought was the best for the country, just as most PM`s before and very few since. Whatever my political views I respect that.
RIP Mrs T.
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Who has suggested £10 million for the funeral? The media! Who believes a wild guess, rather than fact, those that do, shame on you for being sucked in by the media!!.......The real cost is being revealed after the event, the ceremony and it's planning was done by the Blair government. The military are paid for anyway. The Thatcher family are making an unpresedented contribution to the whole thing, again how much will be published after. Whatever your politics are imaterial on this day, it is about the British people and the world ( shown by the dignitaries who wanted to show their respects )doing so for one of our prime ministers, who served our country in public office. It is a day of solemn reflection, for the family and friends and to remember a life. Have an opinion, yes, but show dignity and decorum. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some boos in the crowd but I think she would have expected that. Non-violent protest.
I don't understand why Katherine Jenkins has been invited."
Katherine Jenkins supplies the eye-candy for the middle aged men at the funeral - will Jeremy Clarkson try to chat her up? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't have a problem with people celebrating her death. That's their choice.I certainly won't miss her. But to wish bad fortune on her actual corpse is fucking disgusting.
totally agree..
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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The £10m figure has been suggested because Great Aunt Maude is refusing to say what the funeral has cost until after the funeral. It's a fair assumption on what we know State occasions cost.
We do ceremony well in this country. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Who has suggested £10 million for the funeral? The media! Who believes a wild guess, rather than fact, those that do, shame on you for being sucked in by the media!!.......The real cost is being revealed after the event, the ceremony and it's planning was done by the Blair government. The military are paid for anyway. The Thatcher family are making an unpresedented contribution to the whole thing, again how much will be published after. Whatever your politics are imaterial on this day, it is about the British people and the world ( shown by the dignitaries who wanted to show their respects )doing so for one of our prime ministers, who served our country in public office. It is a day of solemn reflection, for the family and friends and to remember a life. Have an opinion, yes, but show dignity and decorum. "
Best comment on this thread well said !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Who has suggested £10 million for the funeral? The media! Who believes a wild guess, rather than fact, those that do, shame on you for being sucked in by the media!!.......The real cost is being revealed after the event, the ceremony and it's planning was done by the Blair government. The military are paid for anyway. The Thatcher family are making an unpresedented contribution to the whole thing, again how much will be published after. Whatever your politics are imaterial on this day, it is about the British people and the world ( shown by the dignitaries who wanted to show their respects )doing so for one of our prime ministers, who served our country in public office. It is a day of solemn reflection, for the family and friends and to remember a life. Have an opinion, yes, but show dignity and decorum. "
I've heard figures between 8-10 million. I believe it's an all encompassing figure taking into account people's wages for the days they've worked on it. I imagine all Metpol leave was cancelled and overtime granted for instance. The army is paid for yes, but there's the transport costs for them all. The hotel bills for various dignitaries (those not in embassies) will be paid no doubt. And the loss of trade as people not concerned stay away for the day. I know 3 people not commuting in today.
And unless there are any members of her family on here I suspect they are highly unlikely to hear about or be offended by any comments people are making here. So the only ones getting in a tiz are yourselves. |
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"Who has suggested £10 million for the funeral? The media! Who believes a wild guess, rather than fact, those that do, shame on you for being sucked in by the media!!.......The real cost is being revealed after the event, the ceremony and it's planning was done by the Blair government. The military are paid for anyway. The Thatcher family are making an unpresedented contribution to the whole thing, again how much will be published after. Whatever your politics are imaterial on this day, it is about the British people and the world ( shown by the dignitaries who wanted to show their respects )doing so for one of our prime ministers, who served our country in public office. It is a day of solemn reflection, for the family and friends and to remember a life. Have an opinion, yes, but show dignity and decorum.
I've heard figures between 8-10 million. I believe it's an all encompassing figure taking into account people's wages for the days they've worked on it. I imagine all Metpol leave was cancelled and overtime granted for instance. The army is paid for yes, but there's the transport costs for them all. The hotel bills for various dignitaries (those not in embassies) will be paid no doubt. And the loss of trade as people not concerned stay away for the day. I know 3 people not commuting in today.
And unless there are any members of her family on here I suspect they are highly unlikely to hear about or be offended by any comments people are making here. So the only ones getting in a tiz are yourselves. "
As I was suggesting, let's wait until the facts are presented, before we make an informed statement on figures, that is all. Whatever the figure, it would still be unpalitable to some and I respect peoples right to object in a democracy, it's what defines us. Tiz? I agree that the very mention of a certain person would bring comments from both ends of the spectrum. Today is what it is, I suspect that we will be having the same fractious comments when another prime minister passes and has the same state funeral bestowed upon them. State occassions cost, the cost of the Queens recent celebration, William and Kates wedding, the London Marathon, the olympics . It's what it is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i feel total compasion for those she left behind....but ive more compassion for the people and communties she destroyed. For the hurt and anguish she inflicted on the hard working people. For communities laid waste...she may be dead but the hurt she caused is still apparent to this day.."
Hmm I wonder just what state the country would be in if she hadn't been PM. After all it was in a right shit state when she took office. Labour allowing the unions to run the country into the ground |
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"i aint on benifits...and im complaining...mrs T wasnt fond of people on beifits either yet there she is having a subsidised funeral..
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She didnt want a state funeral. And her estate is contributing towards it too. |
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"i aint on benifits...and im complaining...mrs T wasnt fond of people on beifits either yet there she is having a subsidised funeral..
Are you an English teacher perchance ? "
Lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Theres always one. Have a bit a respect for the dead. Ffs some people are so fucking nasty. "
She had no respect for the dead so why should we show her respect? |
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"Who has suggested £10 million for the funeral? The media! Who believes a wild guess, rather than fact, those that do, shame on you for being sucked in by the media!!.......The real cost is being revealed after the event, the ceremony and it's planning was done by the Blair government. The military are paid for anyway. The Thatcher family are making an unpresedented contribution to the whole thing, again how much will be published after. Whatever your politics are imaterial on this day, it is about the British people and the world ( shown by the dignitaries who wanted to show their respects )doing so for one of our prime ministers, who served our country in public office. It is a day of solemn reflection, for the family and friends and to remember a life. Have an opinion, yes, but show dignity and decorum. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Theres always one. Have a bit a respect for the dead. Ffs some people are so fucking nasty.
She had no respect for the dead so why should we show her respect?"
Shame on you. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Theres always one. Have a bit a respect for the dead. Ffs some people are so fucking nasty.
She had no respect for the dead so why should we show her respect?"
What an ignorant and stupid comment ! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Theres always one. Have a bit a respect for the dead. Ffs some people are so fucking nasty.
She had no respect for the dead so why should we show her respect?"
Your view and you are entitled to it.
Maybe look at how the Argentinians have handled this? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just shows how divisive the woman was and still is. If there was a basic simple family and friends funeral that would not stick in the gullet but the fact the security level is so high shows this is more about political posturing.
Money found from nowhere not suprisingly. Lets assume for one moment the figure of ten million is a close figure of cost there is no way on gods earth can this be justified how many folk who are in genuine poverty would this money help.
Shameful.
The country is still paying for her policies as it is.So lets just get her in the ground at any cost & be done with her.! "
Here here.
I refuse to celebrate someone's death. . . . . but good riddance. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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actually... I was surprise at the way today has gone... it was very well done and a lot most respectful than I thought it would be.....
i was watching it on an american broadcast... and the americans still dont see what we do, but there were a few to put in some balance..
for example they don't get the applause as opposed to the silence... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"actually... I was surprise at the way today has gone... it was very well done and a lot most respectful than I thought it would be.....
i was watching it on an american broadcast... and the americans still dont see what we do, but there were a few to put in some balance..
for example they don't get the applause as opposed to the silence..."
Actually, I don't get the applause either. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I don't either.
I think it started when Diana had her funeral and I put it down to people wanting to do something as the coffin went past and they were not sure what so that was a spontaneous reaction. |
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"I doubt the Met will let anything kick off during the funeral. If there are 'disturbances' they'd be more likely to happen this evening in the aftermath.... after all, it's so much more fun to go looting Currys when the shop's shut, innit....
I walked along the strand and fleet st this morning. I must have passed 500 coppers
Krispy Kreme must be doing a roaring trade "
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"i feel total compasion for those she left behind....but ive more compassion for the people and communties she destroyed. For the hurt and anguish she inflicted on the hard working people. For communities laid waste...she may be dead but the hurt she caused is still apparent to this day..
Hmm I wonder just what state the country would be in if she hadn't been PM. After all it was in a right shit state when she took office. Labour allowing the unions to run the country into the ground"
I'm not going to get involved with this thread but you need to read some facts before posting. Perhaps some economics books/ journals too. |
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I offered my bunch the chance to watch the funeral proceedings with my blessing, I had the TV left on in the tea room....anyone who wanted to was free to go in and watch for as much or as little as they wanted.
The only one of them who wandered into the tea room before lunch was my young Polish van driver, I went into make myself a coffee and found the git watching 'American Pickers' on the History channel instead of the bloody funeral!
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I was pleasantly surprised how respectful the protests were in London on the whole.
A shame the same can't be said for Goldthorpe!!!
It makes me utterly ashamed to admit I was born in South Yorkshire!!  |
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"I was pleasantly surprised how respectful the protests were in London on the whole.
A shame the same can't be said for Goldthorpe!!!
It makes me utterly ashamed to admit I was born in South Yorkshire!! "
What happened there ?? |
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By *xodussxMan
over a year ago
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"I was pleasantly surprised how respectful the protests were in London on the whole.
A shame the same can't be said for Goldthorpe!!!
It makes me utterly ashamed to admit I was born in South Yorkshire!! "
Dont feel that way
You were not burning any coffin |
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