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By *hagTonight OP Man 18 weeks ago
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I was listening to an interesting program about how food can be your medicine, she talked about how people rather take pills than to look at their diet and what they eat, she also mentioned that the food effects how we feel psychically and even mentally, the food can drain us on energy, or give us energy, if we eat wrong the consequences will be thereafter, the food can either heal us or hurt us, you choose.
She talked about a friend who treated himself by changing the diet, he was diagnosed with a chronic heart problem, the hospital said that he would have to eat medicine for the rest of his life, he was under 40, he was looking for alternative ways and he found a woman who treated her own chronic heart problem with changing her diet , he changed his diet by taking away such things as sugar, weat and after 4 months he got declared healthy from a sickness that you apparently couldnt get get healthy again from, when he talked to the hospital they didnt want to know how he did it.
What is your view about it, do you also agree that the food can be your medicine, if you want to improve your health, the 1st step that I would give is to cut out processed food and less carbohydrates too  |
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I mostly agree
A lot of problems have been caused by a change of how we eat. Processed meats and sugars and all the e numbers.
Milk used to go off the next day, now it can last 2 weeks. Shop sandwiches lasting a week. It all has additives and sugars
People can sometimes move out of type 2 diabetes by a change of diet |
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Lifestyle, including diet, has great influence on our health, so is an ideal foundation for better potential. But there are no guarantees ever.
Always get medical advice, which will be based on sound evidence. Anecdotal reports are not the same as quantitative, statistical evidence. |
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By *hilloutMan 18 weeks ago
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Food and eating habits can certainly go a long way.
Perfect example is Tyoe 2 diabetes. Most people wouldn't have to be on metformin if they took more responsibility for their habits. It can be controlled through more care with one's diet, exercise and intermittent fasting. How many millions of pounds could be saved a year with this simple change?
Most people however, take the path of least resistance. |
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Yes, I’ve been into superfoods for 20+ years and hardly ever get Ill. I also think when you have a good relationship with food and regularly shop & cook fresh ingredients you intuitively know what your body needs and when.
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"Lifestyle, including diet, has great influence on our health, so is an ideal foundation for better potential. But there are no guarantees ever.
Always get medical advice, which will be based on sound evidence. Anecdotal reports are not the same as quantitative, statistical evidence."
The problem is most of the good stuff never reaches any kind of clinical trial because there’s no benefit. We end up with expert advice like five a day or RDA’s Both of which are absolute rubbish advice.
I will take a 20min infusion whenever I need one, Which is not often but after a heavy session an infusion one knock that stuff out of you & keep your immunity super high I don’t do colds or coughs I do high doses of vitamin C. You won’t get this advice on the NHS although many of those that work in the medical sector are themselves doing this because they know it works |
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I think it's a slippery slope to quackery. Take an obvious point - healthy eating is good for you - and a lot of people go off the deep end with it, including shaming people for needing medication.
I've been on "rest of your life" medication since I was thirteen, and food will do jack shit for my condition. (Well, I could make it worse with food, I guess 🤔) |
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"I think it's a slippery slope to quackery. Take an obvious point - healthy eating is good for you - and a lot of people go off the deep end with it, including shaming people for needing medication.
I've been on "rest of your life" medication since I was thirteen, and food will do jack shit for my condition. (Well, I could make it worse with food, I guess 🤔)"
I agree with this. I've been on medication since I was 11. Food has nothing to do with my medical condition.
However my dad, following his heart attack and heart failure last year, has improved his condition through eating better. In his case though his cholesterol and high blood pressure which caused his heart problems were the direct result of a bad diet. So eating better was bound to help |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 18 weeks ago
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"I mostly agree
A lot of problems have been caused by a change of how we eat. Processed meats and sugars and all the e numbers.
Milk used to go off the next day, now it can last 2 weeks. Shop sandwiches lasting a week. It all has additives and sugars
People can sometimes move out of type 2 diabetes by a change of diet"
Yes, a lot of the problems have been caused by a change of how we eat too. |
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We'll never have an optimum diet for super health, as each person is different.
Being sensible about what you eat should make a difference, if you don't have any existing conditions.
I followed a low FODMAP diet for years, because of stomach issues and it's much better now, but my main source of energy for a long time was Lucozade and chocolate as I couldn't cope with wheat, dairy, a lot of fruit and vegetables, and fats.
To say it was a nightmare is playing it down.
I actually lost 2 stone just by cutting down on the chocolate for a few months, but still ate some every day.
I try to vary my diet now, to get enough of each vitamin and mineral, fibre and fats. I've had to switch from brown rice, pasta and bread back to white, as it's easier on the digestion.
What works for someone doesn't work for everyone.
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If you can find a diet that suits you individual and improves health and wellbeing it's great. Its always good to use traditional medicine too though, I'm never going to 'cure ' my hypothyroidism with food.
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I agree with _naswingdress on the potential quackery slope: yes, diet can have an impact on your health, but I suspect that a fair number of those "I started eating differently and suddenly my 'chronic' condition was gone" are embellished or outright fabricated.
It's not a huge leap from there to the mindset that people who do suffer from chronic conditions and need medication for it are being irresponsible or lazy if they don't magically fix it with food. |
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"I agree with _naswingdress on the potential quackery slope: yes, diet can have an impact on your health, but I suspect that a fair number of those "I started eating differently and suddenly my 'chronic' condition was gone" are embellished or outright fabricated.
It's not a huge leap from there to the mindset that people who do suffer from chronic conditions and need medication for it are being irresponsible or lazy if they don't magically fix it with food."
I read an interesting article a few years ago about the wellness to alt right pipeline - the idea that you can change anything if you're strong enough, therefore fuck the weak. Obviously it's a gradual process, but it's helped me reframe what I'd previously seen as a hippy dippy mindset. |
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there's definately foods that harm and foods that heal .... wether food can cure terminal illness is another matter, but i dare say that doctors occaisionaly mis-diagnosing can seem to be miraculously cured by diet change. |
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I’ve a couple friends who some years ago ran a retreat in Spain where sugar, meats, refined food were all banned. It wasn’t unusual for guests with type 2 diabetes to be able stop taking medication after changing diet and taking moderate exercise. Dr Mike
Mosley RIP was a proponent of diet fixing many conditions and how gut health was linked to many physical and mental issues. |
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It's a funny old world where diseases which are linked to diet, such as diabetes, crohn's, coeliac, arterial congestion, nutritional deficiencies can be helped by diet.
Many other conditions of course may be affected by which foods you eat, but we must not pretend that flax seeds or probiotic supplements or chia berries can be some magic cure for cancers or tuberculosis or hypothyroidism. One in a million might coincidentally have a spontaneous remission from breast cancer after trying the latest organic herbal extraction tablets, but radiotherapy and chemotherapy is going to give you a damn sight better chance of surviving. Eating kilograms of raw liver every day might just about supply enough thyroid hormones to prevent you actually dying when your own body cannot produce enough, but thyroxine is much more convenient to take and gives far better health. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 18 weeks ago
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"Food and eating habits can certainly go a long way.
Perfect example is Tyoe 2 diabetes. Most people wouldn't have to be on metformin if they took more responsibility for their habits. It can be controlled through more care with one's diet, exercise and intermittent fasting. How many millions of pounds could be saved a year with this simple change?
Most people however, take the path of least resistance."
Yes, food and eating habits go a long way, that is right, type 2 diabetes is a good example too. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 18 weeks ago
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"Yes, I’ve been into superfoods for 20+ years and hardly ever get Ill. I also think when you have a good relationship with food and regularly shop & cook fresh ingredients you intuitively know what your body needs and when.
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That is good you are into super foods, same here. I also cook with fresh ingredients too  |
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"Food and eating habits can certainly go a long way.
Perfect example is Tyoe 2 diabetes. Most people wouldn't have to be on metformin if they took more responsibility for their habits. It can be controlled through more care with one's diet, exercise and intermittent fasting. How many millions of pounds could be saved a year with this simple change?
Most people however, take the path of least resistance."
So my question is in over 20 years I’ve eaten shit … dranks litres of full fat daily ! Etc etc …. Except the last 5 years I’m eating the healthiest I’ve ever eaten … drink water everyday … and walk what I can yet 2 months ago I was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic now .!?!? So I ask how am I suppose to improve even more on my diet ?!?
On a side note my diabetic dr said that one of the most costly to the nhs is diabetics not looking after feet! 👣 ( she did say my feet were in very good condition  )
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"Food and eating habits can certainly go a long way.
Perfect example is Tyoe 2 diabetes. Most people wouldn't have to be on metformin if they took more responsibility for their habits. It can be controlled through more care with one's diet, exercise and intermittent fasting. How many millions of pounds could be saved a year with this simple change?
Most people however, take the path of least resistance.
So my question is in over 20 years I’ve eaten shit … dranks litres of full fat daily ! Etc etc …. Except the last 5 years I’m eating the healthiest I’ve ever eaten … drink water everyday … and walk what I can yet 2 months ago I was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic now .!?!? So I ask how am I suppose to improve even more on my diet ?!?
On a side note my diabetic dr said that one of the most costly to the nhs is diabetics not looking after feet! 👣 ( she did say my feet were in very good condition )
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By *hagTonight OP Man 18 weeks ago
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"I think there is a strong gut mind connection that we are just starting to explore so yes food can be medicine."
Yes, you are right there. I also think that there is a strong gut mind connection too |
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By *ddie1966Man 18 weeks ago
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For certain medical afflictions, most definitely.
But quite obviously there are conditions that can't be cured by food.
The saying is true. You are what you eat.
Many many people have allergies linked to food and don't even realise it. We all need to be more in touch with our diet and what I can do to us.
Now gimme that fucking kebab, before I rip your head off!!! |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 18 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"If you can find a diet that suits you individual and improves health and wellbeing it's great. Its always good to use traditional medicine too though, I'm never going to 'cure ' my hypothyroidism with food.
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Yes, you are right there, it is good to find a diet that improves the well being and to use traditional medicine too |
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My mum's 'cure' for any illness was food. She once tried to cure a sinus infection I had with lemon barley water  . She spent many years eating fish and boiled potatoes only for no reason at all other than she thought it would make her hiatus hernia and heart failure better.
I'm not a big fan of advising people to make anything other than sensible changes to their diet for this reason. |
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"I agree with _naswingdress on the potential quackery slope: yes, diet can have an impact on your health, but I suspect that a fair number of those "I started eating differently and suddenly my 'chronic' condition was gone" are embellished or outright fabricated.
It's not a huge leap from there to the mindset that people who do suffer from chronic conditions and need medication for it are being irresponsible or lazy if they don't magically fix it with food."
I think there’s a huge amount of this online, Fake reviews and testimonials are widespread.
But at the same time we are making huge advances in biotechnology and some people make huge advances in awareness of their bodies and what they need intuitively.
I think there is definitely a place for western medicine, it’s pretty hard to beat a couple of paracetamols or ibuprofen For a mild head, tooth or back pain, or a local anaesthetic from Minaa surgery these are all great inventions.
But I also think, well I know for a fact a lot of chronic long-standing conditions, Including high blood pressure and chronic pain can be solved in other ways that don’t require pharmaceuticals |
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By *hagTonight OP Man 16 weeks ago
From the land of haribos. |
"We'll never have an optimum diet for super health, as each person is different.
Being sensible about what you eat should make a difference, if you don't have any existing conditions.
I followed a low FODMAP diet for years, because of stomach issues and it's much better now, but my main source of energy for a long time was Lucozade and chocolate as I couldn't cope with wheat, dairy, a lot of fruit and vegetables, and fats.
To say it was a nightmare is playing it down.
I actually lost 2 stone just by cutting down on the chocolate for a few months, but still ate some every day.
I try to vary my diet now, to get enough of each vitamin and mineral, fibre and fats. I've had to switch from brown rice, pasta and bread back to white, as it's easier on the digestion.
What works for someone doesn't work for everyone.
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Hi badnanna, that is good you vary the diet, yes, what works for someone doesnt work for everyone |
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