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"It's the correct decision. They have disabled Olympics. Why not trans Olympics. " No, not "disabled Olympics". Paralympics. The "para" stands for "parallel". | |||
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"It's the correct decision. They have disabled Olympics. Why not trans Olympics. No, not "disabled Olympics". Paralympics. The "para" stands for "parallel". " No. You are thinking of the bars... | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties." There is far more than physical dimension or amended hormone levels to consider. Increased muscle mass. Increased muscle power. Increased lung capacity. Different body shapes. If anyone wants a practical demonstration I would put forward the experiment that they strap on a chest pad and let a female and male boxer of identical weight hit them through it to see the difference. Genetic males should not compete against genetic females. | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties." Load of nonsense to be fair. | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties." All Olympic athletes are genetic freaks to some extent, so yes sports are unfair to shorties, but for a male to out compete a female, he doesn't have to be quite such a freak as if he competed in the male event. This is where the element of fairness comes in I think. There are two competing ideas here, inclusively and fairness. In everyday life I would side with inclusively, but in competitive sport I think we have to side with fairness. A person who has gone through puberty as a male will always have retained genetic advantages. | |||
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"It is discrimination. It is also good sense." Can't be discrimination, womens sport is for women. Not letting a man enter can't be discrimination as not a woman. It's truly that simple. | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Not sure what you would accept as proof, and thats a bit black and white, I'd rather talk about evidence. First take a visual look at her body size and shape and compare it to most (but not all) cis women. Next take a look at her results, those from when she competed as a male, and then those where she competed as a female. Those are two pieces of evidence that I find tip the scales. Proof? No, it not black and white, it's a balance of evidence. | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Also I'd question the word 'much' in this context. Almost all Olympic competitions are decided by very fine margins. There really is no need to have 'much' of an advantage. A very small one will usually suffice in Olympic sport. | |||
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"Discrimination x" It really isn't. | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Since this thread I've looked at photos of Lia standing with some other female swimmers. I'm a little shocked at the physical difference ~ height and how broad her shoulders are! I'd be cheesed off if I was competing against her, in my opinion she has a clear advantage. | |||
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"Discrimination x It really isn't."  | |||
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"Discrimination x It really isn't." We was asked for opinions I gave mine! Simples!  | |||
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"Discrimination x It really isn't. We was asked for opinions I gave mine! Simples! "An opnion to which I responded. Simples x | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" As a competitive swimmer Lia went from being ranked ~ 550th as a male to smashing female records. So a mediocre competitive male, on HRT can still become a national champion competing as a female. I hope Lia's records are removed to allow genetic females to break the previous ones. | |||
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"Discrimination x It really isn't. We was asked for opinions I gave mine! Simples!
An opnion to which I responded. Simples x"Cool all is good in the hood!! | |||
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"Lia Thomas the American swimmer who won a college title will not be selected for the Olympics because of going through male puberty. Is this discrimination or a victory for common sense ? It's all over the news" They were never going to be selected anyway. It's a non story tom | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" There's no need for the "cis" - just "woman" is fine. Most of us know what a woman is | |||
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 as its not really a taxing sport in that sense ..
as a trans woman on hormones of some 14 years ..I still crush my female friends in some messing around games with explosive power even with my hugely reduced muscle mass/ minimal testosterone .. though couple of them absolutely battered me with wrestling as they were so much bigger built lower body ..
I am pretty skinny and at the gym I goto I goof around with some of the muscle bellends and even they are shocked at how much sheer power my frame generates vs them . we did some mess about sparring and sent 2 of them flying on their asses with kickings and throws .
so for me I find what I may lack in stamina to sustain for long vs males I am able to makeup with explosive force generation ... I think this could totally translate to some sports not all though it would be relevant for sure ..
Its such a new thing having trans people openly out in comepeteive sports and we are just not there yet with how best to incorporate some fairness .. making a trans only league is moot currently as there is so few trans people even capable for competing ..plus with the current era of anti trans rhetoric in the global media that we are all demons/dangers etc there really isnt a stomach for it currently to be watched, so no money to be made for advertisers ..
My view is perhaps they should have some sports to have open categories and maybe implement inbuilt penalties to balance out some of of somewhat ... women can then compete in female only events but also opt to compete with trans women/men if so wish , (which we know quite a good few are vocal about being cool with )
Its. tough one as it seems impossible to have a sensible debate about going forward without it ultimately turning into trans women are mentally deluded / perverts ... and cockfags like JK Rowling certainly dont help the situation inciting aggression | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women? There's no need for the "cis" - just "woman" is fine. Most of us know what a woman is "There is every need as that is at the heart of the debate. Otherwise I could have just gone with human as most of us know what a human is. | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Check out the pictures of her standing next to the women she's competing against then check out her rankings as a male compared to when she competed as a female... It's their in black and white it's really not rocket science.. | |||
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"It is discrimination. It is also good sense. Can't be discrimination, womens sport is for women. Not letting a man enter can't be discrimination as not a woman. It's truly that simple." Discrimination also means to differentiate. Truly simple  | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Her achievements as a man vs as a woman have already done that. | |||
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"I mean at least in darts it doesnt matter as its not really a taxing sport in that sense ..
as a trans woman on hormones of some 14 years ..I still crush my female friends in some messing around games with explosive power even with my hugely reduced muscle mass/ minimal testosterone .. though couple of them absolutely battered me with wrestling as they were so much bigger built lower body ..
I am pretty skinny and at the gym I goto I goof around with some of the muscle bellends and even they are shocked at how much sheer power my frame generates vs them . we did some mess about sparring and sent 2 of them flying on their asses with kickings and throws .
so for me I find what I may lack in stamina to sustain for long vs males I am able to makeup with explosive force generation ... I think this could totally translate to some sports not all though it would be relevant for sure ..
Its such a new thing having trans people openly out in comepeteive sports and we are just not there yet with how best to incorporate some fairness .. making a trans only league is moot currently as there is so few trans people even capable for competing ..plus with the current era of anti trans rhetoric in the global media that we are all demons/dangers etc there really isnt a stomach for it currently to be watched, so no money to be made for advertisers ..
My view is perhaps they should have some sports to have open categories and maybe implement inbuilt penalties to balance out some of of somewhat ... women can then compete in female only events but also opt to compete with trans women/men if so wish , (which we know quite a good few are vocal about being cool with )
Its. tough one as it seems impossible to have a sensible debate about going forward without it ultimately turning into trans women are mentally deluded / perverts ... and cockfags like JK Rowling certainly dont help the situation inciting aggression "Open category is the best solution. | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women? There's no need for the "cis" - just "woman" is fine. Most of us know what a woman is
There is every need as that is at the heart of the debate. Otherwise I could have just gone with human as most of us know what a human is."I disagree. The heart of this debate is an individual who identifies as a trans woman who is cheating by trying to take part in a sport's category that should be exclusively for women. Probably the world's most knowledgeable individual on this topic is Caitlyn Jenner. As Bruce Jenner, he won an Olympic gold medal, plus several other medals and awards in non-Olympic competitions. As Caitlyn Jenner, she categorically states that transgendered women should not be taking part in women's sports. I trust her judgement, plus that of nature. | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Showing you proof that you find acceptable isn’t an issue. | |||
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"So he should, cheating cunt. The mr " Winning | |||
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"Absolutely the right thing to do But I predict as usual the minority will shout louder than the rest and they will, like everyone else has to, be forced to apologise and reverse the decision Trans lives matter Black Lives Matter Vegan lives matter I’ll just get on with my life " sports are not backing down to transgender athletes, they are getting more and more stronger in banning people like me from competing ... read up somewhat first | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Can you bake me a cake ? | |||
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"Absolutely the right thing to do But I predict as usual the minority will shout louder than the rest and they will, like everyone else has to, be forced to apologise and reverse the decision Trans lives matter Black Lives Matter Vegan lives matter I’ll just get on with my life sports are not backing down to transgender athletes, they are getting more and more stronger in banning people like me from competing ... read up somewhat first "Read the bottom line of my comment | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women? As a competitive swimmer Lia went from being ranked ~ 550th as a male to smashing female records. So a mediocre competitive male, on HRT can still become a national champion competing as a female. I hope Lia's records are removed to allow genetic females to break the previous ones." What records has she smashed? At the NCAA meet where she won the 500yd event but didn't place in the others, coming 5th and 11th. 28 records were broken at that meet, 18 of them by one girl. None by Thomas. These may have been some since this event in 2022.....I haven't looked that far yet lol At the end of her college career she ranked 15th...yea a higher ranking than on the male field perhaps but not that dominating of an improvement. You need to look at field size etc as well. More male swimmers than female at that level? I'm not saying this devious wrong as there clearly needs to be further discussions research into perceived and real advantages. But She clearly isn't taking the sport by storm. Evie | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? " If he was late coming home from the pub, quite possibly | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? " Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie" Let's say both feather weights ? | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie Let's say both feather weights ? " Patricio Manuel has and won his first professional fight in 2018 I believe. Not sure what weight category though. Evie | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie Let's say both feather weights ? " She would get smashed all over the ring. Or he as she would now be. But it would be really unequal. | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie Let's say both feather weights ? She would get smashed all over the ring. Or he as she would now be. But it would be really unequal. " See above
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie Let's say both feather weights ? She would get smashed all over the ring. Or he as she would now be. But it would be really unequal. See above
Evie "A proper male boxer would smash her all over the ring. That's a fact. | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie Let's say both feather weights ? Patricio Manuel has and won his first professional fight in 2018 I believe. Not sure what weight category though. Evie " That's amazing just googled and what an achievement!
He made himself the same physically as his competitors- little different to the advantage this thread is in regards to the trans person involved is physically at a greater advantage.
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball" Are you as good as the lionesses? | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball" Kinda think they are doing a damn fine Job on their own  | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Are you as good as the lionesses?" easily | |||
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"Question Would a female transition to a male be an accurate opponent in a male dominated boxing ring for example? Isn't that different though because of the weight category etc? Evie Let's say both feather weights ? Patricio Manuel has and won his first professional fight in 2018 I believe. Not sure what weight category though. Evie That's amazing just googled and what an achievement!
He made himself the same physically as his competitors- little different to the advantage this thread is in regards to the trans person involved is physically at a greater advantage.
"Potentially but they would have been on medication to reduce testosterone levels etc that will have affected muscle mass and the like. It possibly doesn't change or remove some of the benefits they gained while training as a male though ..I don't know, I'm not a Dr. I assume there is testosterone testing in swimming similar to athletics where there has been a big discussion around one athlete who has very high testosterone for a woman and has been accused of being male. When I used to go to a running club one of the ultra runners, very fit guy and lean all his life, was saying how he got beat on a short run by a guy who had been bigger and lost a lot of weight. He beat him because of the size of his leg muscle built from years of carrying his larger frame and being able to put more power in to a sprint. Advantages are not just gained by transitioning gender I guess. Evie | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Kinda think they are doing a damn fine Job on their own "good job I don't own a bra then isn't it | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Kinda think they are doing a damn fine Job on their own good job I don't own a bra then isn't it" | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball" Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie " just accept it's the right decision | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie just accept it's the right decision "I never said it was the wrong decision if you read up a bit. Evie | |||
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"Common sense prevails." Enjoy it while it lasts.
It may be like a British summer! | |||
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"Common sense prevails. Enjoy it while it lasts.
It may be like a British summer!"I can see it already 'man who identifies as a dog wins 3 events at cruffs' | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Kinda think they are doing a damn fine Job on their own "I’d love to see the England guys play the England girls Why do you think that’s never happened? | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Kinda think they are doing a damn fine Job on their own
I’d love to see the England guys play the England girls
Why do you think that’s never happened?"Because the guys are scared of the women winning and bringing it home for a second time | |||
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women?" Yes the difference in finishing times swimming as a trans-woman vs the fastest cis-woman. You just have to look at the records for fastest male vs female. In the interest of competitive fairness it was the right decision. In terms of inclusion .... well that's a different issue. | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie " Yep, this topic always brings out the people with the least understanding of it. If trans women athletes have such an advantage, kinda weird that a grand total of 0 have won an Olympic medal. | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Kinda think they are doing a damn fine Job on their own
I’d love to see the England guys play the England girls
Why do you think that’s never happened?
Because the guys are scared of the women winning and bringing it home for a second time "If you like | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Kinda think they are doing a damn fine Job on their own
I’d love to see the England guys play the England girls
Why do you think that’s never happened?
Because the guys are scared of the women winning and bringing it home for a second time
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"Can you show me proof that she does indeed have much of an advantage over cis women? Yes the difference in finishing times swimming as a trans-woman vs the fastest cis-woman. You just have to look at the records for fastest male vs female. In the interest of competitive fairness it was the right decision. In terms of inclusion .... well that's a different issue. " Would be interesting to see where the current female record holder would rank compared to the make swimmers. Evie | |||
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" Would be interesting to see where the current female record holder would rank compared to the make swimmers. Evie " The 200m freestyle is 11 seconds, 1:42.00 for men, 1:52.98 for women. The 400m freestyle is nearly 17 seconds, 3:40.07 for men, 3:56.46 for women. the 800m freestyle is 32.5 seconds, 7:32.12 for men, 8:04.76 for women. Those are big differences in elite level sport. The only swimming events where it is more even or women beat mean is ultra long distance swimming. | |||
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"It's the correct decision. They have disabled Olympics. Why not trans Olympics. No, not "disabled Olympics". Paralympics. The "para" stands for "parallel". No. You are thinking of the bars..." Am I the only one who burst out laughing at this? | |||
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" Would be interesting to see where the current female record holder would rank compared to the make swimmers. Evie The 200m freestyle is 11 seconds, 1:42.00 for men, 1:52.98 for women. The 400m freestyle is nearly 17 seconds, 3:40.07 for men, 3:56.46 for women. the 800m freestyle is 32.5 seconds, 7:32.12 for men, 8:04.76 for women. Those are big differences in elite level sport. The only swimming events where it is more even or women beat mean is ultra long distance swimming. " So the fastest ever lady in the 50m freestyle would be 17th fastest in a mixed category. Lia Thomas was ranked 15th in the event she won in 2022. Hardly dominating the sport. Evie | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie Yep, this topic always brings out the people with the least understanding of it. If trans women athletes have such an advantage, kinda weird that a grand total of 0 have won an Olympic medal." Caster Semenya. True intersex athlete with 5-alpha reductase. Smashed every race. Competed as a female. Has male levels of testosterone and testicles. Has fathered 2 children. | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie Yep, this topic always brings out the people with the least understanding of it. If trans women athletes have such an advantage, kinda weird that a grand total of 0 have won an Olympic medal. Caster Semenya. True intersex athlete with 5-alpha reductase. Smashed every race. Competed as a female. Has male levels of testosterone and testicles. Has fathered 2 children." I can't see anything to back that up about 'fathering' 2 children. Do you have a source? Evie | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie Yep, this topic always brings out the people with the least understanding of it. If trans women athletes have such an advantage, kinda weird that a grand total of 0 have won an Olympic medal. Caster Semenya. True intersex athlete with 5-alpha reductase. Smashed every race. Competed as a female. Has male levels of testosterone and testicles. Has fathered 2 children. I can't see anything to back that up about 'fathering' 2 children. Do you have a source? Evie " A 3 second Wikipedia search.. "Semenya married her long-term partner, Violet Raseboya, in December 2015 (traditional ceremony) and January 2017 (civil ceremony).[127][128][129] They have two daughters, one born in 2019 and another in 2022.[130][131]" | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie Yep, this topic always brings out the people with the least understanding of it. If trans women athletes have such an advantage, kinda weird that a grand total of 0 have won an Olympic medal. Caster Semenya. True intersex athlete with 5-alpha reductase. Smashed every race. Competed as a female. Has male levels of testosterone and testicles. Has fathered 2 children. I can't see anything to back that up about 'fathering' 2 children. Do you have a source? Evie A 3 second Wikipedia search.. "Semenya married her long-term partner, Violet Raseboya, in December 2015 (traditional ceremony) and January 2017 (civil ceremony).[127][128][129] They have two daughters, one born in 2019 and another in 2022.[130][131]" " I did that search. Where does it say semenya 'fathered' them? Evie | |||
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"...The only swimming events where it is more even or women beat mean is ultra long distance swimming. " Strangely there's a similar pattern in running. The differential lessens the longer the race until you reach ultra distance running where it's pretty even...which actually makes sense when you consider our early evolution as persistence hunters. Bit of an issue regarding short distamce run records though due to probable drug taking in both sexes (and the almost certain wind assisted 100m female record). | |||
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"How is that even a question. No way can anyone think it's the wrong decision. If that's the case I'll wack a bra on and play number 9 for the lionesses. Bring the world cup back with the match ball Will you take the medication to reduce your testosterone as well? Arguments like this are childish at best. Im all for reasoned debates but you don't seem to understand the process of transitioning and the physical effects it has. Evie Yep, this topic always brings out the people with the least understanding of it. If trans women athletes have such an advantage, kinda weird that a grand total of 0 have won an Olympic medal. Caster Semenya. True intersex athlete with 5-alpha reductase. Smashed every race. Competed as a female. Has male levels of testosterone and testicles. Has fathered 2 children. I can't see anything to back that up about 'fathering' 2 children. Do you have a source? Evie A 3 second Wikipedia search.. "Semenya married her long-term partner, Violet Raseboya, in December 2015 (traditional ceremony) and January 2017 (civil ceremony).[127][128][129] They have two daughters, one born in 2019 and another in 2022.[130][131]" I did that search. Where does it say semenya 'fathered' them? Evie" Many articles talking about the couples trials with artificial insemination, my assumption is they used Caster's sperm, as she is reported to have 2 fully functioning testicles, and her reference to her children, although the couple have neither confirmed or denied this. Regardless of this point, Caster went through puberty with male levels of hormones and (mostly) secondary sexual characteristics, and the athletic benefits this brought with it. | |||
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"...The only swimming events where it is more even or women beat mean is ultra long distance swimming. Strangely there's a similar pattern in running. The differential lessens the longer the race until you reach ultra distance running where it's pretty even...which actually makes sense when you consider our early evolution as persistence hunters. Bit of an issue regarding short distamce run records though due to probable drug taking in both sexes (and the almost certain wind assisted 100m female record)." Genuinely confused by that... How many events in swimming have the faster world records held by women? Or athletics? | |||
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"...The only swimming events where it is more even or women beat mean is ultra long distance swimming. Strangely there's a similar pattern in running. The differential lessens the longer the race until you reach ultra distance running where it's pretty even...which actually makes sense when you consider our early evolution as persistence hunters. Bit of an issue regarding short distamce run records though due to probable drug taking in both sexes (and the almost certain wind assisted 100m female record). Genuinely confused by that... How many events in swimming have the faster world records held by women? Or athletics? " Better WR for women than men: The discus (thanks to the lighter discus for women at 1kg vs 2kg for men). On the same terms for men and women, women outperform men at elite level in: Ultrarunning Endurance outdoor swimming Free diving And where there's no particular advantage to be male or female and they can or do compete as equals: Equestrian events Archery and shooting (though there are some women outperforming men on those too) Car driving sports. | |||
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"Caster Semenya is not transgender..." More common than you think. I grew up with a girl with a similar status, she identified as a girl, but really it's not that simple. There's a few YouTube channels to watch, one by a girl called Blume, who genetically is XY, but has a vagina. Apparently the % of people with some form of sexual anomaly is about the same as people with red hair. Just think how many redheads you know...you know about the same number of people who are not easily classified as male or female, although some of them won't know it. | |||
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"Caster Semenya is not transgender... More common than you think. I grew up with a girl with a similar status, she identified as a girl, but really it's not that simple. There's a few YouTube channels to watch, one by a girl called Blume, who genetically is XY, but has a vagina. Apparently the % of people with some form of sexual anomaly is about the same as people with red hair. Just think how many redheads you know...you know about the same number of people who are not easily classified as male or female, although some of them won't know it." Most of us don't know our genotype. I assume I'm XX, but I could have an extra X. I doubt I have a Y chromosome, but it's not impossible. | |||
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"...Genuinely confused by that... How many events in swimming have the faster world records held by women? Or athletics? " I don't think anyone said that the women records were faster, just that the difference reduces as the distance gets longer. In swimming, Lucy Charles-Barclay and Lauren Brandon are faster than all but a very small number of male swimmers over 2.4 miles. In running, we're not really talking athletics as those distances are quite short, but the ultra distances, 100miles+ | |||
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"To be fair, he hasn't been banned from the Olympics. He could still try to qualify for the men's team. He would have to improve a lot as he was quite poor when competing with the other men. I wish him all the best though. " So unnecessary and vulgar. She has transitioned. She took a year out of competing and took body and hormonal altering drugs to be the person she knew she was inside. She hasn't de transitioned. Regardless of your thoughts on trans people in sport, to deliberately misgender someone as you have done is crass to say the least. Evie | |||
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"...Most of us don't know our genotype. I assume I'm XX, but I could have an extra X. I doubt I have a Y chromosome, but it's not impossible. " There's also a whole host of other factors. The Y chromosome itself is not what makes you male, its the SRY gene, which sometimes migrates onto another chromosome, usually the X chromosome...but not always. Next, if umbilical chords get crossed then male developent can get disrupted by being bombarded with oestrogen, not so common in humans, but quite common in other mammals with larger litters. | |||
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"...Most of us don't know our genotype. I assume I'm XX, but I could have an extra X. I doubt I have a Y chromosome, but it's not impossible. There's also a whole host of other factors. The Y chromosome itself is not what makes you male, its the SRY gene, which sometimes migrates onto another chromosome, usually the X chromosome...but not always. Next, if umbilical chords get crossed then male developent can get disrupted by being bombarded with oestrogen, not so common in humans, but quite common in other mammals with larger litters." Very true. Though things like SRY translocation, if they happen, most often result in an external male phenotype, but with XX genotype. There are multitudes of chromosomal differences that can happen and also lots of new or inherited mutations that can impact sexual development. | |||
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"Only in the west this sickness exists 2 genders end off Male and Female if they die and they dig up the body 100 years from now they will know if it was a man or woman end off!!!!! ffs!!!!!!" Only in the West is where trans people exist? Is that why the Middle East make anti-trans (and others) laws? If there were no trans people there, they wouldn't need a law, right? There are trans people the world over and some world cultures have terminology for genders other than man and woman. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender To be more accurate, it is the West that generally considers gender to be binary. Other cultures have varying non binary gender categories. | |||
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"Only in the west this sickness exists 2 genders end off " That's just scientifically incorrect, as I pointed out earlier I grew up with a girl (literally next door neighbour) who was intersex. She had breasts but no vagina (a very small penis). I didn't know her long enough to know her genetic make-up, but undoubtedly there was some abnormality. Sickness? I'm not sure where you went to school, but a sickness is something completely different to a genetic abnormality, perhaps it would be advisable for you to look up the definition, honestly I have neither the time or patience to teach you, and I doubt you have the capacity to understand it. | |||
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"Only in the west this sickness exists 2 genders end off Male and Female if they die and they dig up the body 100 years from now they will know if it was a man or woman end off!!!!! ffs!!!!!!" Wholly inaccurate. Go look up other cultures and you will find many that have a third gender. Just a teeny tiny bit of education will help you. Evie | |||
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"Only in the west this sickness exists 2 genders end off Male and Female if they die and they dig up the body 100 years from now they will know if it was a man or woman end off!!!!! ffs!!!!!!" What an absolute load of rubbish. Trans and indeed ,intersex exist everywhere. Even in remote tribes and communities it is evident. It is nature. You are also confusing biological sex characteristics with gender which are not the same. Gender is not a biological term. Intersex existence shows that you are very wrong. Do a little research. | |||
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"The trans debate in sport isn't quite as clearcut as some would like to think it is. There has been research by the Olympic committee to see whether trans women have a physical advantage. The research so far suggests they might even be at a disadvantage. More research is required but its not as clearcut as the armchair physiologists may think. https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/" Research comparing the performance of athletes before and after transition would be more relevant. | |||
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"The trans debate in sport isn't quite as clearcut as some would like to think it is. There has been research by the Olympic committee to see whether trans women have a physical advantage. The research so far suggests they might even be at a disadvantage. More research is required but its not as clearcut as the armchair physiologists may think. https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/ Research comparing the performance of athletes before and after transition would be more relevant. " Sometimes it's not really necessary though. Common sense is enough. And sometimes it us structured to achieve the outcome that is desired. | |||
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Each to their own with the gender stuff and transitioning but women’s sports, areas and rights are for women aka born with XX chromosomes
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"Victory, applause
Each to their own with the gender stuff and transitioning but women’s sports, areas and rights are for women aka born with XX chromosomes
I await the backlash to “MY OPINION” "No back lash to your opinion as long as you can accept that someone else’s opinion might differ from yours | |||
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"Victory, applause
Each to their own with the gender stuff and transitioning but women’s sports, areas and rights are for women aka born with XX chromosomes
I await the backlash to “MY OPINION”
No back lash to your opinion as long as you can accept that someone else’s opinion might differ from yours "I accept others opinions differ gladly | |||
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"Victory, applause
Each to their own with the gender stuff and transitioning but women’s sports, areas and rights are for women aka born with XX chromosomes
I await the backlash to “MY OPINION”
No back lash to your opinion as long as you can accept that someone else’s opinion might differ from yours
I accept others opinions differ gladly "Opinions differ but only one truth .. | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties." Us shorties fully accept our height can be disadvantageous in some situations and happy enough to make the best of what we have - we take up bowls
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"Victory, applause
Each to their own with the gender stuff and transitioning but women’s sports, areas and rights are for women aka born with XX chromosomes
I await the backlash to “MY OPINION”
No back lash to your opinion as long as you can accept that someone else’s opinion might differ from yours
I accept others opinions differ gladly
Opinions differ but only one truth .."And that’s your opinion, my opinion differs | |||
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"Victory, applause
Each to their own with the gender stuff and transitioning but women’s sports, areas and rights are for women aka born with XX chromosomes
I await the backlash to “MY OPINION”
No back lash to your opinion as long as you can accept that someone else’s opinion might differ from yours
I accept others opinions differ gladly
Opinions differ but only one truth ..
And that’s your opinion, my opinion differs "Accepted and your opinion is very valid | |||
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"I mean at least in darts it doesnt matter as its not really a taxing sport in that sense ..
as a trans woman on hormones of some 14 years ..I still crush my female friends in some messing around games with explosive power even with my hugely reduced muscle mass/ minimal testosterone .. though couple of them absolutely battered me with wrestling as they were so much bigger built lower body ..
I am pretty skinny and at the gym I goto I goof around with some of the muscle bellends and even they are shocked at how much sheer power my frame generates vs them . we did some mess about sparring and sent 2 of them flying on their asses with kickings and throws .
so for me I find what I may lack in stamina to sustain for long vs males I am able to makeup with explosive force generation ... I think this could totally translate to some sports not all though it would be relevant for sure ..
Its such a new thing having trans people openly out in comepeteive sports and we are just not there yet with how best to incorporate some fairness .. making a trans only league is moot currently as there is so few trans people even capable for competing ..plus with the current era of anti trans rhetoric in the global media that we are all demons/dangers etc there really isnt a stomach for it currently to be watched, so no money to be made for advertisers ..
My view is perhaps they should have some sports to have open categories and maybe implement inbuilt penalties to balance out some of of somewhat ... women can then compete in female only events but also opt to compete with trans women/men if so wish , (which we know quite a good few are vocal about being cool with )
Its. tough one as it seems impossible to have a sensible debate about going forward without it ultimately turning into trans women are mentally deluded / perverts ... and cockfags like JK Rowling certainly dont help the situation inciting aggression "The voice of reason. Love all of this. xx  | |||
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"I mean at least in darts it doesnt matter as its not really a taxing sport in that sense ..
as a trans woman on hormones of some 14 years ..I still crush my female friends in some messing around games with explosive power even with my hugely reduced muscle mass/ minimal testosterone .. though couple of them absolutely battered me with wrestling as they were so much bigger built lower body ..
I am pretty skinny and at the gym I goto I goof around with some of the muscle bellends and even they are shocked at how much sheer power my frame generates vs them . we did some mess about sparring and sent 2 of them flying on their asses with kickings and throws .
so for me I find what I may lack in stamina to sustain for long vs males I am able to makeup with explosive force generation ... I think this could totally translate to some sports not all though it would be relevant for sure ..
Its such a new thing having trans people openly out in comepeteive sports and we are just not there yet with how best to incorporate some fairness .. making a trans only league is moot currently as there is so few trans people even capable for competing ..plus with the current era of anti trans rhetoric in the global media that we are all demons/dangers etc there really isnt a stomach for it currently to be watched, so no money to be made for advertisers ..
My view is perhaps they should have some sports to have open categories and maybe implement inbuilt penalties to balance out some of of somewhat ... women can then compete in female only events but also opt to compete with trans women/men if so wish , (which we know quite a good few are vocal about being cool with )
Its. tough one as it seems impossible to have a sensible debate about going forward without it ultimately turning into trans women are mentally deluded / perverts ... and cockfags like JK Rowling certainly dont help the situation inciting aggression
The voice of reason. Love all of this. xx "
I just apply some common sense and real world experiences .... though until the media / government stop with this all trans people are a danger to children/society.world and we are here to take over women ... then its impossible to have any form of sensible debate from both sides ... you barely see anyone ask actual trans people what they think , its always a non trans person talking for them or some distorted extreme activist they use as the point of it being see we told you so ...
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"I mean at least in darts it doesnt matter as its not really a taxing sport in that sense ..
as a trans woman on hormones of some 14 years ..I still crush my female friends in some messing around games with explosive power even with my hugely reduced muscle mass/ minimal testosterone .. though couple of them absolutely battered me with wrestling as they were so much bigger built lower body ..
I am pretty skinny and at the gym I goto I goof around with some of the muscle bellends and even they are shocked at how much sheer power my frame generates vs them . we did some mess about sparring and sent 2 of them flying on their asses with kickings and throws .
so for me I find what I may lack in stamina to sustain for long vs males I am able to makeup with explosive force generation ... I think this could totally translate to some sports not all though it would be relevant for sure ..
Its such a new thing having trans people openly out in comepeteive sports and we are just not there yet with how best to incorporate some fairness .. making a trans only league is moot currently as there is so few trans people even capable for competing ..plus with the current era of anti trans rhetoric in the global media that we are all demons/dangers etc there really isnt a stomach for it currently to be watched, so no money to be made for advertisers ..
My view is perhaps they should have some sports to have open categories and maybe implement inbuilt penalties to balance out some of of somewhat ... women can then compete in female only events but also opt to compete with trans women/men if so wish , (which we know quite a good few are vocal about being cool with )
Its. tough one as it seems impossible to have a sensible debate about going forward without it ultimately turning into trans women are mentally deluded / perverts ... and cockfags like JK Rowling certainly dont help the situation inciting aggression
The voice of reason. Love all of this. xx
I just apply some common sense and real world experiences .... though until the media / government stop with this all trans people are a danger to children/society.world and we are here to take over women ... then its impossible to have any form of sensible debate from both sides ... you barely see anyone ask actual trans people what they think , its always a non trans person talking for them or some distorted extreme activist they use as the point of it being see we told you so ...
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"I mean at least in darts it doesnt matter as its not really a taxing sport in that sense ..
as a trans woman on hormones of some 14 years ..I still crush my female friends in some messing around games with explosive power even with my hugely reduced muscle mass/ minimal testosterone .. though couple of them absolutely battered me with wrestling as they were so much bigger built lower body ..
I am pretty skinny and at the gym I goto I goof around with some of the muscle bellends and even they are shocked at how much sheer power my frame generates vs them . we did some mess about sparring and sent 2 of them flying on their asses with kickings and throws .
so for me I find what I may lack in stamina to sustain for long vs males I am able to makeup with explosive force generation ... I think this could totally translate to some sports not all though it would be relevant for sure ..
Its such a new thing having trans people openly out in comepeteive sports and we are just not there yet with how best to incorporate some fairness .. making a trans only league is moot currently as there is so few trans people even capable for competing ..plus with the current era of anti trans rhetoric in the global media that we are all demons/dangers etc there really isnt a stomach for it currently to be watched, so no money to be made for advertisers ..
My view is perhaps they should have some sports to have open categories and maybe implement inbuilt penalties to balance out some of of somewhat ... women can then compete in female only events but also opt to compete with trans women/men if so wish , (which we know quite a good few are vocal about being cool with )
Its. tough one as it seems impossible to have a sensible debate about going forward without it ultimately turning into trans women are mentally deluded / perverts ... and cockfags like JK Rowling certainly dont help the situation inciting aggression
The voice of reason. Love all of this. xx
I just apply some common sense and real world experiences .... though until the media / government stop with this all trans people are a danger to children/society.world and we are here to take over women ... then its impossible to have any form of sensible debate from both sides ... you barely see anyone ask actual trans people what they think , its always a non trans person talking for them or some distorted extreme activist they use as the point of it being see we told you so ...
"Media scaremongering, society feeling threatened, fear of the unknown, political and religious bias. All factor in the lbgtqia+ bashing. They started with drag culture in to trans individuals, they'll be send kids of to gay conversion centers again if they get there way!!! Funny enough though, you never here anything about F to M transition, it is always M to F. It's as if that is the main threat! And it's all based around the fact the the male of species abuses the female of the species. So a M to F threatens the female of the species, because they started out as male!! Poppycock to the lot of that!!! It's an excuse to slow down social change. The thought of Gender flexibly and neutrality scares everyone. Oh it's unnatural to want to be with anybody not of a different sex cause the bible says so..... bullshit... blah blah... | |||
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"The right decision in my opinion. Lia had significant physical advantages - endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size - from undergoing male puberty. It was unfair for her to be allowed to compete against biological women. There should be open categories available for trans athletes." How many trans athletes are there ?. | |||
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"The right decision in my opinion. Lia had significant physical advantages - endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size - from undergoing male puberty. It was unfair for her to be allowed to compete against biological women. There should be open categories available for trans athletes. How many trans athletes are there ?." I have no idea but also don’t feel it would be fair for trans athletes to be excluded if they can’t compete in either male or female categories. What would Tom suggest? | |||
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"The right decision in my opinion. Lia had significant physical advantages - endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size - from undergoing male puberty. It was unfair for her to be allowed to compete against biological women. There should be open categories available for trans athletes. How many trans athletes are there ?. I have no idea but also don’t feel it would be fair for trans athletes to be excluded if they can’t compete in either male or female categories. What would Tom suggest? " Sometimes life's not fare. It's unreasonable to spoil women's sports. | |||
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"The right decision in my opinion. Lia had significant physical advantages - endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size - from undergoing male puberty. It was unfair for her to be allowed to compete against biological women. There should be open categories available for trans athletes. How many trans athletes are there ?. I have no idea but also don’t feel it would be fair for trans athletes to be excluded if they can’t compete in either male or female categories. What would Tom suggest? Sometimes life's not fare. It's unreasonable to spoil women's sports. " I dont think I worded my comment very well. I agree that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to compete in women’s category sports. That’s why I feel there should be open categories. | |||
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"All top level athletes are not genetic freaks, they are blessed with the discipline to show up every day, maybe every day as a child they were forced somewhat but the my are the result of effort and mentality, don’t believe me? Watch the beckham documentary, his dad used to make him practice relentlessly, the Williams sisters, same again, top level sports isn’t about genetics it’s about the desire. Changing your gender from male to female will allow you to absolutely trounce the female opponents because of the strength and power developed in bones muscle tissue etc, this is well documented, Serena Williams herself has stated she would get annihilated by anyone in the top 100 male tennis players in the world because of the speed and power a male is able to generate when compared to a female. The fact that a male swimmer has decided to change genders and is allowed to compete as a female whilst having gone through male puberty shows just how far wrong we are, lia Thomas now holds records that genetic females will never be able to reach because she is effectively still a physiological male, regardless of what blockers or hormones. The human body doesn’t unlearn stuff, the mind can do a lot of things but asking a body to evolve in less than a decade when it takes generations of fine tuning to make even a small change is absolutely madness. From a distance it looks like Lia Thomas got tired of getting beaten as a male and is deluded enough to think that society will allow it as feelings are more important than science, Lia Thomas should not be allowed to compete in Female classification sports, it’s dead simple " Yes, I agree entirely. It is the right decision without any doubt. | |||
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"Correct decision. It's not fair on biological women. It makes trans people look foolish competing against women. I don't like the term cis either, it's just women. Trans as its own identity and should have a separate category. " Well said; I couldn’t agree more! | |||
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"Caster Semenya is not transgender. She has a difference of sexual development. She has external "female" genital pattern. She has a vagina. However, she does not have a uterus and what appear to be ovaries are actually internalised testes. However, had she not taken up athletics, the nature of those internal gonads might never have been uncovered. The default pattern in foetuses is the female gender pattern. If a foetus has a Y chromosome, after about 7 weeks gestation, the SRY gene on the Y chromosome kicks in and the internal gonads start to develop a little differently in males; the orifice that exists differentiates into the urethral opening only, and the material that forms the labia in females will fuse and the internal gonads move externally and into the closed pouch, which will become the testes and scrotum. In females, the gonads remain internal and form ovaries and the labia remain. It's worth noting ovaries and testes are structurally very similar. In Semenya, she has a mutation on her single X chromosome that means she has complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. Basically, the cells of her body do not possess the receptors for testosterone to be effective and so her body does not respond to it as a male with no mutation would and it becomes altered into oestrogen instead. She has "male" levels of circulating testosterone but her body does not act upon it and so it's not clear that she does actually gain any huge advantage by it. She has a typical female external body pattern (phenotype). She was assigned her sex at birth based on her physical presentation. This is one example of why it's not so straightforward when we talk about biological sex (before we get anywhere near the construct of gender). I feel very sorry for Caster Semenya. She has been treated appallingly by international athletics bodies and has been "made an example of" by many, but for their own ends. It's not her fault she was born with a difference of sexual development and it's not her fault that her physical presentation at birth meant she was assigned female sex at birth and brought up accordingly. She does NOT have a penis or any of evidence of her XY genotype externally. And again, transgender people are not the same as people such as Caster Semenya. Nor does giving anti-androgen drugs produce the same sort of outcome for her as for most transgender people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome" Thank you; a helpful and sensible explanation. | |||
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"Caster Semenya is not transgender. She has a difference of sexual development. She has external "female" genital pattern. She has a vagina. However, she does not have a uterus and what appear to be ovaries are actually internalised testes. However, had she not taken up athletics, the nature of those internal gonads might never have been uncovered. The default pattern in foetuses is the female gender pattern. If a foetus has a Y chromosome, after about 7 weeks gestation, the SRY gene on the Y chromosome kicks in and the internal gonads start to develop a little differently in males; the orifice that exists differentiates into the urethral opening only, and the material that forms the labia in females will fuse and the internal gonads move externally and into the closed pouch, which will become the testes and scrotum. In females, the gonads remain internal and form ovaries and the labia remain. It's worth noting ovaries and testes are structurally very similar. In Semenya, she has a mutation on her single X chromosome that means she has complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. Basically, the cells of her body do not possess the receptors for testosterone to be effective and so her body does not respond to it as a male with no mutation would and it becomes altered into oestrogen instead. She has "male" levels of circulating testosterone but her body does not act upon it and so it's not clear that she does actually gain any huge advantage by it. She has a typical female external body pattern (phenotype). She was assigned her sex at birth based on her physical presentation. This is one example of why it's not so straightforward when we talk about biological sex (before we get anywhere near the construct of gender). I feel very sorry for Caster Semenya. She has been treated appallingly by international athletics bodies and has been "made an example of" by many, but for their own ends. It's not her fault she was born with a difference of sexual development and it's not her fault that her physical presentation at birth meant she was assigned female sex at birth and brought up accordingly. She does NOT have a penis or any of evidence of her XY genotype externally. And again, transgender people are not the same as people such as Caster Semenya. Nor does giving anti-androgen drugs produce the same sort of outcome for her as for most transgender people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome Thank you; a helpful and sensible explanation." Yes thank you. So she was intersex, not trans!! Explains so much more. Heart breaking to find out as a woman, she can't compete because, she has technically a birth defeat!! | |||
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"Like the toilets, make the sports gender neutral "That just wouldn't work. There is a big difference physically between the potential of the (biological) male & female bodies. The whole reason that it is a problem is Male - Female Trans ladies have a genetic advantage over those born female. Gender neutral sport would mean an end to ladies in sport, as no women are on the same level as a male professional athletes. Cal | |||
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"Like the toilets, make the sports gender neutral
That just wouldn't work. There is a big difference physically between the potential of the (biological) male & female bodies.
The whole reason that it is a problem is Male - Female Trans ladies have a genetic advantage over those born female. Gender neutral sport would mean an end to ladies in sport, as no women are on the same level as a male professional athletes.
Cal"I do park run where children males females and people of all ages compete. The women never win overall but they still record and report best in each category. Having trans (men) Compete against real biological women is a joke, They are effectively cheating by competing against women. If you need any evidence how unfair this is ask yourself the last time I saw a trans (woman) competing against men. | |||
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"And maybe stop forcing the trans issue. It's honestly quite desperate " you can thank the media and politicians for that , they are the ones obsessed with trans people it seems with the nonstop barrage of bollocks regarding it all .. | |||
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"I personally think they should be allowed to dominatrix the sport ." dominate sorry | |||
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"Like the toilets, make the sports gender neutral
That just wouldn't work. There is a big difference physically between the potential of the (biological) male & female bodies.
The whole reason that it is a problem is Male - Female Trans ladies have a genetic advantage over those born female. Gender neutral sport would mean an end to ladies in sport, as no women are on the same level as a male professional athletes.
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I do park run where children males females and people of all ages compete. The women never win overall but they still record and report best in each category.
Having trans (men) Compete against real biological women is a joke, They are effectively cheating by competing against women.
If you need any evidence how unfair this is ask yourself the last time I saw a trans (woman) competing against men. "Park run isn't a competition, and it's massively different to professional sport | |||
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"Like the toilets, make the sports gender neutral
That just wouldn't work. There is a big difference physically between the potential of the (biological) male & female bodies.
The whole reason that it is a problem is Male - Female Trans ladies have a genetic advantage over those born female. Gender neutral sport would mean an end to ladies in sport, as no women are on the same level as a male professional athletes.
Cal
I do park run where children males females and people of all ages compete. The women never win overall but they still record and report best in each category.
Having trans (men) Compete against real biological women is a joke, They are effectively cheating by competing against women.
If you need any evidence how unfair this is ask yourself the last time I saw a trans (woman) competing against men.
Park run isn't a competition, and it's massively different to professional sport"True but it doesn't change the point and evidence. In fact it's less of an issue for the rarified atmosphere of elite sport and more of an issue for casual and community sports. That's where we need to be encouraging everyone but especially girls and women to take up and stay in sports. I don't what any solution (s) may be but fucking up womens sports isn't it. | |||
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"Lia Thomas the American swimmer who won a college title will not be selected for the Olympics because of going through male puberty. Is this discrimination or a victory for common sense ? It's all over the news" No discrimination. Common sense. Men cannot become women…ever! | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties." Why is there a need for trans acceptance? | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties. Why is there a need for trans acceptance?" For the simple reason that there are people out there that feel the way that they do. Many of those people have literally had their biologically modified (through hormone therapies & surgery). There is also a need to consider that some people are actually born with both male & female attributes. Current statistics suggest that more than 1% of people born actually fit into the intersex category... ie they do not actually conforn completely to either male of female. When gender isn't easilly defined, parents choose a gender at birth. this chosen gender isn't necessarilly right for the child as they grow. Intersex covers a wide range of deviations from the binary gender model. Some people have both male & female sexual organs, whilst others might have incomplete versions of both, or even no visible sexual organs. There are also people who have male/female sexual organs, but their chromosones don't match their physical presentation... or even chromosones that don't match either such as XXY or XYY. Unfortunately, it really isn't as simple as "if it's got a cock it's a bloke". Cal Just because we don't understand the thoughts and feelings of others, doesn't mean that we can just pretend that they don't exist, life isn't simply black & white. Cal | |||
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"Good it's basically a male no matter how you dress it up any person born a male should not be allowed to participate in a female sport end off "As various people have pointed out, this athlete was actually born "intersex" so neither male or female. | |||
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"Good it's basically a male no matter how you dress it up any person born a male should not be allowed to participate in a female sport end off "" it " ?? Wow, rude much ?! | |||
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"A real shame that as she had worked her bollocks off to make the team "I see what you did there. | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties. Why is there a need for trans acceptance? For the simple reason that there are people out there that feel the way that they do. Many of those people have literally had their biologically modified (through hormone therapies & surgery). There is also a need to consider that some people are actually born with both male & female attributes. Current statistics suggest that more than 1% of people born actually fit into the intersex category... ie they do not actually conforn completely to either male of female. When gender isn't easilly defined, parents choose a gender at birth. this chosen gender isn't necessarilly right for the child as they grow. Intersex covers a wide range of deviations from the binary gender model. Some people have both male & female sexual organs, whilst others might have incomplete versions of both, or even no visible sexual organs. There are also people who have male/female sexual organs, but their chromosones don't match their physical presentation... or even chromosones that don't match either such as XXY or XYY. Unfortunately, it really isn't as simple as "if it's got a cock it's a bloke". Cal Just because we don't understand the thoughts and feelings of others, doesn't mean that we can just pretend that they don't exist, life isn't simply black & white. Cal" Why do you think they these numbers are increasing? | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties. Why is there a need for trans acceptance? For the simple reason that there are people out there that feel the way that they do. Many of those people have literally had their biologically modified (through hormone therapies & surgery). There is also a need to consider that some people are actually born with both male & female attributes. Current statistics suggest that more than 1% of people born actually fit into the intersex category... ie they do not actually conforn completely to either male of female. When gender isn't easilly defined, parents choose a gender at birth. this chosen gender isn't necessarilly right for the child as they grow. Intersex covers a wide range of deviations from the binary gender model. Some people have both male & female sexual organs, whilst others might have incomplete versions of both, or even no visible sexual organs. There are also people who have male/female sexual organs, but their chromosones don't match their physical presentation... or even chromosones that don't match either such as XXY or XYY. Unfortunately, it really isn't as simple as "if it's got a cock it's a bloke". Cal Just because we don't understand the thoughts and feelings of others, doesn't mean that we can just pretend that they don't exist, life isn't simply black & white. Cal Why do you think they these numbers are increasing? " Are they increasing, or just being seen? | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties. Why is there a need for trans acceptance? For the simple reason that there are people out there that feel the way that they do. Many of those people have literally had their biologically modified (through hormone therapies & surgery). There is also a need to consider that some people are actually born with both male & female attributes. Current statistics suggest that more than 1% of people born actually fit into the intersex category... ie they do not actually conforn completely to either male of female. When gender isn't easilly defined, parents choose a gender at birth. this chosen gender isn't necessarilly right for the child as they grow. Intersex covers a wide range of deviations from the binary gender model. Some people have both male & female sexual organs, whilst others might have incomplete versions of both, or even no visible sexual organs. There are also people who have male/female sexual organs, but their chromosones don't match their physical presentation... or even chromosones that don't match either such as XXY or XYY. Unfortunately, it really isn't as simple as "if it's got a cock it's a bloke". Cal Just because we don't understand the thoughts and feelings of others, doesn't mean that we can just pretend that they don't exist, life isn't simply black & white. Cal Why do you think they these numbers are increasing? " For every year I can find data for, the percentage of births identified as intersex hasn't really changed over the last 30 years. Each year presents somewhere between 1% & 2%, the average is around 1.7% over that time. | |||
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"No 2 people are born the same. Genetics already give some tremendous advantages over others. The need for trans acceptance is higher than this. I'm sad that she lost this battle. Maybe anyone born 6 foot 6 should no longer be allowed to play basketball as its unfair to the shorties. Why is there a need for trans acceptance? For the simple reason that there are people out there that feel the way that they do. Many of those people have literally had their biologically modified (through hormone therapies & surgery). There is also a need to consider that some people are actually born with both male & female attributes. Current statistics suggest that more than 1% of people born actually fit into the intersex category... ie they do not actually conforn completely to either male of female. When gender isn't easilly defined, parents choose a gender at birth. this chosen gender isn't necessarilly right for the child as they grow. Intersex covers a wide range of deviations from the binary gender model. Some people have both male & female sexual organs, whilst others might have incomplete versions of both, or even no visible sexual organs. There are also people who have male/female sexual organs, but their chromosones don't match their physical presentation... or even chromosones that don't match either such as XXY or XYY. Unfortunately, it really isn't as simple as "if it's got a cock it's a bloke". Cal Just because we don't understand the thoughts and feelings of others, doesn't mean that we can just pretend that they don't exist, life isn't simply black & white. Cal Why do you think they these numbers are increasing? Are they increasing, or just being seen?" it's not that complicated. If there are more now than 10 20 30 100 years ago... Then they are increasing. | |||
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