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Following on from another post
Are right wing men more likely to be angry and flirt with casual misogyny than the general population?
Anecdotal we would say yes and they seem to be fuelled by culture wars, YouTube and union jacks. |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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Sadly it’s the algorithm..band how the social media Eco system works..
They’ll like one post about something let’s say ‘menial white persons jobs being taken over by a perceived immigration problem’ and then they’ll be fed similar posts by similar pages and then the cycle starts until all these morons see is posts which fuel their world view.
And the same can be said of the liberals, they are in their own rabbit hole of genuinely believing the world is completely transphobic and everyone in the world detests anything about trans people and all “CIS” feminists should die and JK Rowling is the antichrist.
If people took two minutes to look outside and get off the social media vacuum the world would be rosy and it would be like we were all living in the 90’s where nobody gave a hoot who you were shagging, if you wore a skirt or had a Willy and Labour and Conservatives would have a pint together and not want to kill each other! |
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By *ty31Man 47 weeks ago
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Please define what makes somebody "right wing"
I think the political spectrum is so broad and definitions have shifted so much over the years that trying to forcibly pigeon hole people into LEFT or RIGHT is oversimplified and counter productive. |
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^^^ which obviously ties into those men getting right wing misogynistic bull shit from Andrew Tate and other toxic characters.
This all goes without touching on the volume of porn out there which kids are exposed to that normalises misogyny |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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I think as much as more right leaning men are likely to be more misogynistic, there are also more left leaning people that can become misandrist to overcompensate for the inequality women have previously faced. I'd prefer it if people were more centrist in their views as leaning too far either way just makes them as clise-minded as the people they are trying to fight. |
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"Please define what makes somebody "right wing"
I think the political spectrum is so broad and definitions have shifted so much over the years that trying to forcibly pigeon hole people into LEFT or RIGHT is oversimplified and counter productive."
That’s not really true, Over the last 40 years the major political parties in western geopolitics c have become increasingly centrified…there is no left an right anymore.
The major issues have become with polarised media, and the idea of RiGht and LeFt has become divisive across a small number of problems which are magnified under the spotlight of social media such polarisation and a lack of willingness to accept individual viewpoints that the bridges have now been burned.
The 1990’s was a far more open and free thinking society, misogyny was almost unheard of, Transhphobia wasn’t even a thing. |
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"Following on from another post
Are right wing men more likely to be angry and flirt with casual misogyny than the general population?
Anecdotal we would say yes and they seem to be fuelled by culture wars, YouTube and union jacks. "
I don't know any! |
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Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England. |
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"Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England. "
That's way to misogynistic... |
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By *ty31Man 47 weeks ago
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"Please define what makes somebody "right wing"
I think the political spectrum is so broad and definitions have shifted so much over the years that trying to forcibly pigeon hole people into LEFT or RIGHT is oversimplified and counter productive.
That’s not really true, Over the last 40 years the major political parties in western geopolitics c have become increasingly centrified…there is no left an right anymore.
The major issues have become with polarised media, and the idea of RiGht and LeFt has become divisive across a small number of problems which are magnified under the spotlight of social media such polarisation and a lack of willingness to accept individual viewpoints that the bridges have now been burned.
The 1990’s was a far more open and free thinking society, misogyny was almost unheard of, Transhphobia wasn’t even a thing. "
When you say there's no left and right anymore, that explains my point about changing definitions.
Somebody today expressing certain views which 50 years ago would be considered socialist may today be seen as right wing. |
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"Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England. "
What's that got to do with the price of fish?  |
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There’s also increasing nationalist conservatism that shares more with a traditional ‘right-wing’ idea.
I think the big shift has been more becoming disenfranchised, making it easier to prey upon people’s impulses/search for answers in sometimes the wrong places like Andrew Tate’s and Russell Brand’s of the world. |
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"^^^ which obviously ties into those men getting right wing misogynistic bull shit from Andrew Tate and other toxic characters.
This all goes without touching on the volume of porn out there which kids are exposed to that normalises misogyny "
Great points |
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The 1990’s was a far more open and free thinking society, misogyny was almost unheard of, Transhphobia wasn’t even a thing. "
Dunno what 90s you lived through, but as someone who was female they felt pretty misogynistic.
Things are getting better, thankfully. |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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Dunno what 90s you lived through, but as someone who was female they felt pretty misogynistic.
Things are getting better, thankfully."
My post was more regarding the specifics to the increasingly Toxic masculinity which is now common place across social media, I agree that the glass ceiling was still in there in the workplace and out moded values were in place which have now been superseded but that, in itself this is not what can be classed a Misogynistic behaviour which by definition is a hatred of women. This is something that has grown increasingly and has given birth to “Incel” culture and the increasing popularity of sexual violence in pornography and in social media…I accept your anecdotal evidence but research and media metrics do somewhat go against what you’re saying.
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Dunno what 90s you lived through, but as someone who was female they felt pretty misogynistic.
Things are getting better, thankfully.
My post was more regarding the specifics to the increasingly Toxic masculinity which is now common place across social media, I agree that the glass ceiling was still in there in the workplace and out moded values were in place which have now been superseded but that, in itself this is not what can be classed a Misogynistic behaviour which by definition is a hatred of women. This is something that has grown increasingly and has given birth to “Incel” culture and the increasing popularity of sexual violence in pornography and in social media…I accept your anecdotal evidence but research and media metrics do somewhat go against what you’re saying.
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I believe you are mistaken on what misogyny encompasses. |
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When you say there's no left and right anymore, that explains my point about changing definitions.
Somebody today expressing certain views which 50 years ago would be considered socialist may today be seen as right wing."
As a lecturer in politics can you clarify standpoint on that? |
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I believe you are mistaken on what misogyny encompasses."
Misogyny or Sexism…
There is a very distinct and cogent difference as to the topic this thread brought up.
Sexism was rife in the 1990’s as alluded to regards careers and abhorrent casual bum slapping and cat calling, but the modern form of Toxic masculine behaviour is far more concerning twist in the fabric of society especially given the constant exposure of media content to those that are party to seeing it. |
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"Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England.
What's that got to do with the price of fish? "
I want to know what flying the Welsh flag is!! It doesn't appear on the Union flag and it's not England  |
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I believe you are mistaken on what misogyny encompasses.
Misogyny or Sexism…
There is a very distinct and cogent difference as to the topic this thread brought up.
Sexism was rife in the 1990’s as alluded to regards careers and abhorrent casual bum slapping and cat calling, but the modern form of Toxic masculine behaviour is far more concerning twist in the fabric of society especially given the constant exposure of media content to those that are party to seeing it."
With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
Sexism is one of the ways that misogyny can manifest.
Toxic masculinity is not misogyny. |
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By *luttTV/TS 47 weeks ago
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"Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England. "
Are you worried people will forget what country you’re in or something? |
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women."
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable. |
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable."
It's a clearer definition than simply stating it's a hatred of women though. |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable."
But is it wrong? |
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I believe you are mistaken on what misogyny encompasses.
Misogyny or Sexism…
There is a very distinct and cogent difference as to the topic this thread brought up.
Sexism was rife in the 1990’s as alluded to regards careers and abhorrent casual bum slapping and cat calling, but the modern form of Toxic masculine behaviour is far more concerning twist in the fabric of society especially given the constant exposure of media content to those that are party to seeing it.
With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
Sexism is one of the ways that misogyny can manifest.
Toxic masculinity is not misogyny."
Further to this, I work in the city of London, in finance. I know a grown man supposedly educated, who tried to argue that women should not be allowed to work in offices and should be kept at home. For those questioning the existence of toxic masculinity, this is an example.
We have a long way to go. |
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I have come across misogyny on both the left and right and non-aligned. As a lefty I want to say it is more prominent in right wing men, but I am not actually sure. I do think that people on the left are more likely to call misogynistic language and behaviour, but it doesn't stop it all. |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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"Sadly it’s the algorithm..band how the social media Eco system works..
They’ll like one post about something let’s say ‘menial white persons jobs being taken over by a perceived immigration problem’ and then they’ll be fed similar posts by similar pages and then the cycle starts until all these morons see is posts which fuel their world view.
And the same can be said of the liberals, they are in their own rabbit hole of genuinely believing the world is completely transphobic and everyone in the world detests anything about trans people and all “CIS” feminists should die and JK Rowling is the antichrist.
If people took two minutes to look outside and get off the social media vacuum the world would be rosy and it would be like we were all living in the 90’s where nobody gave a hoot who you were shagging, if you wore a skirt or had a Willy and Labour and Conservatives would have a pint together and not want to kill each other!"
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That went south....never mind right or left.....
Right wing or left wing leanings, I don't believe actually play a part in misogyny. Now if the question was raised.
How do the messages passed on by are male forebears, influence misogynistic traits and behaviours?. Or how has living predominantly in a Partirachial society since time immemorial, has impacted modern day man? These questions I feel has more bearing on a man becoming or being misogynistic.
Then there's society, and long standing clear defined gender roles (which are so antiquated and archaic imho) but still present.
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"Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England. "
Flag worship is for wankers who think the bit of land they were fortunate enough to be spawned
upon is somehow better than that bit of land over there on the other side of a man-made political border. |
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"Following on from another post
Are right wing men more likely to be angry and flirt with casual misogyny than the general population?
Anecdotal we would say yes and they seem to be fuelled by culture wars, YouTube and union jacks. "
Absolutely
And all left wing men are saints |
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"Sadly it’s the algorithm..band how the social media Eco system works..
They’ll like one post about something let’s say ‘menial white persons jobs being taken over by a perceived immigration problem’ and then they’ll be fed similar posts by similar pages and then the cycle starts until all these morons see is posts which fuel their world view.
And the same can be said of the liberals, they are in their own rabbit hole of genuinely believing the world is completely transphobic and everyone in the world detests anything about trans people and all “CIS” feminists should die and JK Rowling is the antichrist.
If people took two minutes to look outside and get off the social media vacuum the world would be rosy and it would be like we were all living in the 90’s where nobody gave a hoot who you were shagging, if you wore a skirt or had a Willy and Labour and Conservatives would have a pint together and not want to kill each other!"
I think there is a fair point here. Culture and the Internet has done a great job dividing us into partisan camps. Making the picture either simply black and white or so complicated it just seems too much of an effort to understand. We are so stuck to our flags it seems little hope of trying to find a sensible social outcome and genrally consenting shared value system (I don't say compromise because I believe there is right and wrong and thus compromise isn't always ok).
There's a real sense today for the hunt of outrage without regards for the wider picture or context to affirm the conviction of our side. To shun logic and reason for partisan sensationalism. Sometimes we start on a rational path and then throw the baby out with the bath water. It's sad to see. Also the extremities of each side give the other side the smoking gun to say ha, there it is, this is the true nature and madness of other side. When most people are a lot more moderate. However said same people often seem these days to have to defend the extremities of their faction (even if them don't agree).
We really are living in a time of much knowledge yet ironically an increasing void of reason.
However returning to the question, I agree on personal experience. Especially in terms of normalised overt misogyny talk. However it's something ingrained to some extent in society. There are many cases of recognised members of the left who practise misogynistic acts despite their words saying otherwise. I'm inclined to judge people more critically on their acts than the misjudgement of the bravado. We are all from different life experiences and backgrounds and they shape the words we talk. People say a lot of stuff but how that act and treat people face to face is far more telling than the rubbish they regurgitate. I know good people who are misinformed and talk shit IMO but I also see the love and humanity in the way they treat people (even the people they'll causally and ignorantly say by default are the problem). We need to stop dragging ourselves into cages of our faction and creation of Internet algorithms. If we looked bigger, wider and listened to each other more then maybe we could create a more rational world and remove the power from the extremes. At the moment there is to much talking not enough listening.
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"Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England.
Flag worship is for wankers who think the bit of land they were fortunate enough to be spawned
upon is somehow better than that bit of land over there on the other side of a man-made political border. "
I supose that would very much depending on which bit of land across a man made political border we are comparing to wouldn't it? |
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"Pride in the United kingdom and flying the union flag is not right wing. It should be flown in every town and at every school, every day as a unifying flag for all British people. And the English flag to,. In England.
Flag worship is for wankers who think the bit of land they were fortunate enough to be spawned
upon is somehow better than that bit of land over there on the other side of a man-made political border.
I supose that would very much depending on which bit of land across a man made political border we are comparing to wouldn't it?"
Well the flag shaggers on that side of the border reckon their bit is better than yours as well. |
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable."
Would you like to read my postgraduate thesis that I defended in a viva against experts in my field? |
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"Came here for a definition misogyny.
Found it mansplained to a woman.
Wasn't disappointed.
Mansplained? Take your everyday sexism else where."
The word “mansplained” comes from an essay called Men Explain Things To Me by Rebecca Solnit. It’s available for free on the tomdispatches website. It’s worth a read if you want to understand more about the concept and where it comes from. And how it’s not sexist when someone calls a man out for doing it. |
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By *stellaWoman 47 weeks ago
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"Came here for a definition misogyny.
Found it mansplained to a woman.
Wasn't disappointed.
Mansplained? Take your everyday sexism else where.
The word “mansplained” comes from an essay called Men Explain Things To Me by Rebecca Solnit. It’s available for free on the tomdispatches website. It’s worth a read if you want to understand more about the concept and where it comes from. And how it’s not sexist when someone calls a man out for doing it."
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"Following on from another post
Are right wing men more likely to be angry and flirt with casual misogyny than the general population?
Anecdotal we would say yes and they seem to be fuelled by culture wars, YouTube and union jacks. "
What a sad, sweeping generalisation. |
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"Both left and right wing groups have a few people who get too much into their ideologies that they get angry anytime anyone does/says something that goes against their ideologies "
Fair comment.
Fairer than generalising about all right-leaning people or all left-leaning people. |
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"Please define what makes somebody "right wing"
I think the political spectrum is so broad and definitions have shifted so much over the years that trying to forcibly pigeon hole people into LEFT or RIGHT is oversimplified and counter productive.
That’s not really true, Over the last 40 years the major political parties in western geopolitics c have become increasingly centrified…there is no left an right anymore.
The major issues have become with polarised media, and the idea of RiGht and LeFt has become divisive across a small number of problems which are magnified under the spotlight of social media such polarisation and a lack of willingness to accept individual viewpoints that the bridges have now been burned.
The 1990’s was a far more open and free thinking society, misogyny was almost unheard of, Transhphobia wasn’t even a thing.
When you say there's no left and right anymore, that explains my point about changing definitions.
Somebody today expressing certain views which 50 years ago would be considered socialist may today be seen as right wing."
Many people just use it as a label and as a term of abuse as they are simply nasty and too lazy to learn about others. Someone disagreeing with someone else has to be labelled as something rather than simply a disagreement amongst people with free will. I see quite a lot in these threads, people calling out misogyny as one example and it's. It even close to misogyny but someone drops the label and then the usual just pile in for a kick. Rinse and repeat |
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable.
Would you like to read my postgraduate thesis that I defended in a viva against experts in my field?"
Viva's can be hardcore
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable.
Would you like to read my postgraduate thesis that I defended in a viva against experts in my field?"
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"Following on from another post
Are right wing men more likely to be angry and flirt with casual misogyny than the general population?
Anecdotal we would say yes and they seem to be fuelled by culture wars, YouTube and union jacks. "
More inclined to I think.
It aligns with selfishness, greed, lack of empathy for others.. just look at the way the UK is at the moment |
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable.
Would you like to read my postgraduate thesis that I defended in a viva against experts in my field?
Viva's can be hardcore
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It was terrifying. |
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By *929Man 47 weeks ago
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Maybe not angry, it’s not the right angrily shouting from the rooftops that the slightest thing offends them, screaming in the streets because someone the didn’t like won an election, causing havoc with their bullshit protests vandalising and defacing shit all over the place ect ect if there’s one group always pissed off about something it’s not the right |
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable.
Would you like to read my postgraduate thesis that I defended in a viva against experts in my field?
Viva's can be hardcore
Mr
It was terrifying."
I can imagine, I can also imagine what the makeup of the demographic was also, who sat on it
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable.
Would you like to read my postgraduate thesis that I defended in a viva against experts in my field?
Viva's can be hardcore
Mr
It was terrifying.
I can imagine, I can also imagine what the makeup of the demographic was also, who sat on it
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Three women. It was a very empowering experience. |
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That is why I prefer to stay away from that toxic mix of politics, religion and ideology. Let them eat cake I say. Decency and respect for others should be a common human characteristic but reality is quiet a different thing. Have a lovely weekend people and spread some love (cheeks if you must)  |
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"That is why I prefer to stay away from that toxic mix of politics, religion and ideology. Let them eat cake I say. Decency and respect for others should be a common human characteristic but reality is quiet a different thing. Have a lovely weekend people and spread some love (cheeks if you must) "
If you think you don’t have an ideology and that politics don’t apply to you then you’re very mistaken.
Sort of reminds me of that scene in Devil Wears Prada where Meryl Streep dresses down her assistant for not knowing that her bargain basement jumper was picked for her by the people on that room. |
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"That is why I prefer to stay away from that toxic mix of politics, religion and ideology. Let them eat cake I say. Decency and respect for others should be a common human characteristic but reality is quiet a different thing. Have a lovely weekend people and spread some love (cheeks if you must)
If you think you don’t have an ideology and that politics don’t apply to you then you’re very mistaken.
Sort of reminds me of that scene in Devil Wears Prada where Meryl Streep dresses down her assistant for not knowing that her bargain basement jumper was picked for her by the people on that room."
You are trying to hook me in on this. I did not say it does not apply. I just don't express or present myself in that manner. And now I am definately out and having a piece of cake with my coffee. |
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With respect, you are incorrect.
Misogyny is having contempt for, a dislike of, or prejudice against women because they are women.
With respect copy and pasting from the first definition you found on Google is not deemed academically acceptable.
Would you like to read my postgraduate thesis that I defended in a viva against experts in my field?
Viva's can be hardcore
Mr
It was terrifying.
I can imagine, I can also imagine what the makeup of the demographic was also, who sat on it
Mr
Three women. It was a very empowering experience."
Now that proves why we should not cast assumptions, I was expecting 3 middle aged white men....my bad...
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"No.
Everyone, regardless of their political leaning has the potential to be a fucking arsehole. Right wingers are just more obvious about it. Left wingers tend to be sneaky cunts as they do it."
Right wingers? No. A small, vocal element of rigjt-wingers revel in provoking and triggering people by being deliberately offensive. |
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